Obama’s abortion lies

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 11, 2008 10:23 AM


Keep him away from the babies.

There’s a newly uncovered paper trail demonstrating Barack Obama’s abortion militancy you can believe in (hat tip – Jill Stanek):

Newly obtained documents prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an IL state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion – even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002, explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion. Obama’s legislative actions in 2003 – denying effective protection even to babies born alive during abortions – were contrary to the position taken on the same language by even the most liberal members of Congress. The bill Obama killed was virtually identical to the federal bill that even NARAL ultimately did not oppose.

The NRLC’s Obama paper trail index is here.

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And here’s a related howler about the Party of Planned Parenthood:

ABC NEWS: Are Democrats Now Pro-Life? As Convention Draws Near, New Talk of a Pro-Life Presence

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  1. #402950
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:39 am, Bill Grant said:

    We really, really need to prevent Obama from being elected.

  2. #402959
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:37 am, emjem24 said:

    Rob said:
    dakine, thank you for the backhanded compliment.

    -Seriously, I believe about half of what I say.
    -I say what I say to see it and think about it.
    -I say what I say to get reaction which is data.
    -My opinions often transmogrify.
    -It is fun and interesting to poke at the stifled opinions of the transfixed and limited.

    Rob:

    I find guerilla thinkers, writers, even “artists” like yourself very unenlightening. I grew up in a college town where academic humanism was the be all end all to the human experience. I actually have more of a problem with people like you who seem to have no anchor at all in life and feel that anyone who believes in religion to be pointless, so therefore they’re “fixed.”

    I don’t think a lot of your comments are that insightful. They seem to reflect the incessant need to experiment and continue that technique until it no longer has any meaning, except to you.

    I’m not overly religious. I’ve always kept an open mind. However, I know what it’s like to grow up in a family where chaos reigned supreme and your take on blog discourse doesn’t seem to lack any real foundation. Your suggestion, though, that those who are religious have some kind of weak underpinning suggests that humans are never tested, never need guidance. I’m sure you’ve never needed some kind of guidance at some point in life, right? Did you have a fixed path and ever sought out advice?

    Then we could all approach life like nihilists, where nothing matters because life can just be so easily destroyed anyways. Or we could see life like astronomers do… where we’re all “star stuff” and tinier than a grain of sand in the scheme of the universe. Hey, in a couple billion years, none of it will matter anyways because the sun will just turn into a red giant and overtake the Earth.

    Perhaps, you and folks like you are why I was always fascinated with history and went into teaching. I’ve studied how our species is not only capable of big acts of kindness but the kind of depravity that make many like myself question the future of the human race.

    It may be fun for you to poke fun at those you think need to evolve into rudderless souls like yourself, but at the end of the day, many of us are still looking for the meaning in life, even if it’s a lot harder to grasp for humanity at large.

  3. #402989
    On August 12th, 2008 at 7:31 am, Chief RZ said:

    He can not hide from his past history. Unless… in the tradition of communism, he “erases” his past.

    live-born survivors of abortion

    This is murder, pure and simple. He voted to authorize murder of babies. They called those people baby killers, even those who never left the USA.

  4. #402995
    On August 12th, 2008 at 7:53 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 11th, 2008 at 7:45 pm, Rob said:
    box of soap.. I think you missed the point.. I simply changed the wording around from an earlier post.

    Like – duh. In doin so, you implied that Christians are not “free thinkers”? Like if we believe in God, we do not have the ability to think for ourselves?

    Nice try boR.

  5. #402997
    On August 12th, 2008 at 8:02 am, RetFireman said:

    If they are “Live-Born Abortions”, where then is the argument that they were just lifeless blobs of tissue that the Pro-Deathers like to call them to justify their deaths in the first place? Doesn’t that mean they have lost the argument simply based on this title alone?

    Correct translation: conservative blogs and magazines are wrong more than they’re right.

    Please provide the group the statistical data you have acquired to come up with such a statement as this. Without any, such as I know you do not have, means this is nothing more than an opinion…YOUR opinion…and is meritless. But hey…no one could ever accuse you of needing a glass navel, right?

  6. #403011
    On August 12th, 2008 at 8:27 am, Meorum said:

    The Audacity of Death is a nice little article about this topic with some real practicle ties:

    http://www.giannajessen.com/

    If you don’t know who Gianna is, then it’s worth a trip to the link. She’s worth getting to know, especially if you want to talk meaningfully about Mr. Puppy-dogs-and-Rainbows penchant for murdering children.

  7. #403019
    On August 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am, palerider55 said:

    Obama’s got some explainin’ to do, and you know what that means…get the keys and warm up the buses…

  8. #403022
    On August 12th, 2008 at 8:55 am, abstractmind said:

    EQ,

    Nope, you were right on.

    On August 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm, least said:
    I just seriously take issue with those who attempt to ram religion down other people’s throats.
    In my experience, most folks who say something like this usually consider a statement like “I believe in Jesus Christ’s saving power” as an attempt to ram religion down other people’s throats.

    Not at all. You’ll find i’ll equally defend and attack religion here, depending on who i feel is right. The “ram it down their throats” part is reserved for those who take issue with the fact i dont believe, condemn me to hell for it, and aren’t willing to discuss the view openly. It’s the ones who stick their fingers in their ears when religion comes up, and starts going “LALALALALALALA I cant hear you! I’m right and you’re wrong, so go to hell LALALALALA”. Those are the people i take issue with. EQ and 30 can tell you i can have a very calm and fun discussion about religion, and not be judgmental, as they are not that way with me. :)

    Rob,

    I have the displeasure of reading your rants on here, and it makes me wonder what ward of the psych hospital has internet access so I can call them and let them know one of the patients is loose.

    You would make a good Roman emperor? Pfft, you couldnt find your way out of a wet paper bag if you had a pack mule, an Indian scout and a GPS device, much less manage anything more than to semi-control the voices in your head.

    I believe, however, that you do this more for attention. You don’t really have alot of interesting or witty things to say, regardless of how many quotes you use or how you frame the rants you post. You strike me as being some guy that says something off the wall, hoping to garner a response from someone (anyone!), in an effort to justify your own presence here.

    I just find you intellectually boring. That’s all. You never really add anything of worth.

    But since you like quotes, have a couple :)

    A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval.
    Mark Twain

    Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
    J.R.R. Tolkien

  9. #403025
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:03 am, KVal57 said:

    There’s no justification for the evil act Obama supports. NONE. Which circle of Hell awaits, you, B. O.?

  10. #403026
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:05 am, Misscheryl said:

    Marine_NCO said:
    Hi all,
    My first post here.
    Just wanted to share the joy of my new great grandson, Logan. He was born at just a tad over 2 lbs. a bit premature considering he was BORN IN THE 2ND TRIMESTER.
    He has doubled his weight and is doing fine, not in an incubator now and we are so proud to have this fine young man in our family.

    Hey, hey,hey – my grandson was 1lb 10oz – and he weights 8 lbs+ now and is home. Amazing how hard these medical people work to save a child if you want it and how they will kill the same if you don’t.

  11. #403029
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am, valleygreaser said:

    I hope those conservatives who won’t vote for McCain because of illegal immigration consider this: If you consider yourself pro-life and McCain doesn’t win, we’ll get instead a strong pro-abortion President. Is that what you want?

    Good point and I hope all us pro-lifers consider Supreme Court appointments. Also consider that on those issues where McCain may not please (immigration, global warming, etc.) that Obama does not represent any improvenment. I would support McCain on the basis of national security and abortion if he and Obama agreed on practically everything else. Of course they don’t; McCain has superior positions on taxes, energy, education and many other issues.

  12. #403030
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am, ICBMMan said:

    Marine_NCO and Misscheryl:

    Congratulations to you both with your grandsons!

    My son (my first as well) is now 8 months, but I remember seeing his first sonogram at 18 weeks. I remember hearing his heart beat even earlier.

    You can’t possibly convince me now that abortion is not murder…infanticide. I actually used to consider that abortion may be OK if the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest.

    Not anymore. Adoption is the best alternative if the mother does not want responsibility for the child.

  13. #403041
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    Is is just me, or does Obama appear to be sucking the brains out of that poor baby, rather than kissing?

    To get back to Serious Land, my wife was born 2 months preemie with 1 undeveloped lung. Her one functioning lung then collapsed. (She still has the scar from when they reinflated her lung.) Her mom was 17 at the time.

    I suppose that a libtard would have just let her die, but she had (and still has) a fighting spirit. Her family said that she survived out of “sheer cussedness.” They also said that she had something special about her from day one.

    I just know that God kept her safe for me.

  14. #403045
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am, Misscheryl said:

    I believe our first mistake was to engage these liberal morons in their ridiculous argument, i.e, when does life begin. Since when has that ever been an issue. It’s a issue because they chose to make it one to justify killing babies. It really is that simple. I realize we must fight against this thinking politically, but engaging them in stupid logic and trying to reason with stupid logic just isn’t the answer in my way of thinking.

  15. #403050
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am, pressto said:

    ABC NEWS: Are Democrats Now Pro-Life? As Convention Draws Near, New Talk of a Pro-Life Presence

    Yes that is the key, it is just “talk” and does not match reality and facts of their actions.

  16. #403051
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am, Dimsdale said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am, ICBMMan said:

    Marine_NCO and Misscheryl:

    Congratulations to you both with your grandsons!

    My son (my first as well) is now 8 months, but I remember seeing his first sonogram at 18 weeks. I remember hearing his heart beat even earlier.

    You can’t possibly convince me now that abortion is not murder…infanticide. I actually used to consider that abortion may be OK if the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest.

    Not anymore. Adoption is the best alternative if the mother does not want responsibility for the child.

    Ditto with my 8 month old daughter!

    But it is really all about convenience with the abortion crowd: “I don’t have time for a baby,” or “It just isn’t the right time,” or “I really wanted a boy/girl.”

    Given the myriad forms of preconception birth control out there, some which can be used redundantly, there is really no excuse for having to have an abortion, other than the usual issues.

    Abortion has become both a business and a cult.

  17. #403052
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:46 am, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am, Misscheryl said:

    I see where you’re coming from…but if the question were answered, wouldnt that reduce this argument from their arsenal?

    To answer directly though, this question has been a frequent topic of debate in relation to this issue. And it’s not going away anytime soon.

    And engaging them in this actively, and logically and specifically answering this question, does away with the debate entirely. And no more stupid logic. :)

  18. #403060
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:54 am, ICBMMan said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am, Dimsdale said:
    Given the myriad forms of preconception birth control out there, some which can be used redundantly, there is really no excuse for having to have an abortion, other than the usual issues.

    Abortion has become both a business and a cult.

    Absolutely. Well said.

  19. #403065
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Misscheryl said:

    To answer directly though, this question has been a frequent topic of debate in relation to this issue. And it’s not going away anytime soon.

    Abstractmind – it’ll go away only when people stop engaging this idiocy. Honestly, they don’t want logic anyway, they want justification and will do anything to get it. They’ve pulled conservatives around by the nose long enough! And I for one am done – I’ll vote my conscience.

  20. #403074
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am, Misscheryl said:

    ICBMMan said:
    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am, Dimsdale said:
    Given the myriad forms of preconception birth control out there, some which can be used redundantly, there is really no excuse for having to have an abortion, other than the usual issues.

    Abortion has become both a business and a cult.

    That has been my reasoning all along. I suggest us conservatives stick to the truth of the matter instead of letting liberals dictate the discussion. Do not argue in abstracts – only truths!

  21. #403083
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:04 am, conservativesRus said:

    On August 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Rusty said:

    I don’t like killing babies. I don’t even like abortion. I do like adult women making their own choices regarding their fetus and not having people get in their way.

    So we see that Rusty has no problem with the concept of “ownership” of people – and the “right” to do with those other people whatever you want. So….I’m really confused as to why he might think slavery is bad and/or honor killings might be bad.

  22. #403085
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:05 am, Jim M. said:

    It’s only a “fetus”. That assertion follows an all to familiar refrain that history shows is the masterful attempt of the human race to humanize the inhuman, to make palatable the unpalatable and to justify the unjust.

    If a being is painted in terms that are accepted as something other than human, the rights we hold so dearly do not apply. It becomes an issue of dealing with property, or eliminating an inconvenience, or relieving a “curse” from our presence.

    What’s the big deal, they’re just “slaves”. Those vile “Juden” need to be removed from polite society. The “infidel” must be eliminated.

    And that historical demonization has morphed in modern times as a way of dealing with those inconveniences in life. Hitler was perhaps the father of this movement, when he all to quietly removed the disabled, the mentally retarded and the homosexuals from the Ayrian race.

    Today pregnancies are “unwanted” and the resulting life has no place in society while it is merely a “fetus”. A boil to be lanced. That thought process has moved into the realm of the sidabled, with terms like “PVS” used to describe those that are selected for culling from the society of the able bodied. Assisted suicide is actually an approved medical procedure covered by health plans.

    The rhetoric of the Obama’s of the world allows society to be unburdened by curses and inconveniences while allow people to be able to still feel good about themselves by affixing a less than human label on the condition or affliction. Why, abortion is nothing more than the removal of a mole or a wart. If you want it removed from your body, that is your decision.

    We as a society have succumbed to the effects of that slippery slope, sliding into an abyss of justified homicide all in the name of convenience. Abdication of all the consequences of personal responsibility from a ruling class that supplants the edicts of religion . A new religion for a brave new world.

    God help us.

  23. #403091
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am, Misscheryl said:

    Yes, God help us when we kill our own offspring.

  24. #403113
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:17 am, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Misscheryl said:

    they may pull you around by the nose, but how many liberals can stand up to the facts? ;)

    But you do as you wish. I’ll keep looking for the truth while others put their heads in the sand.

  25. #403126
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:19 am, Misscheryl said:

    abstractmind…carry on :0)

  26. #403201
    On August 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    EVERY DAY WE SEE MORE AND MORE EVIDENCE THAT B.H. OBAMA IS JUST A HYPED UP VERSION OF THE GREAT SOCIALIST JIMMY CARTER. ON EVERY SOCIAL AND FOREIGN ISSUE HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE BLACK VERSION OF CARTER.

    HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE SOME NATION TAKES HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS HOSTAGE WHILE B.H.O. PANDERS AND APPEASES THEM ALONG THE WAY?

    LIKE MOST LIBERAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS B.H.O. IS A COWARD AND THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE HE IS WILLING TO ATTACK IS THE UNBORN.

  27. #403333
    On August 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am, zeroangel said:

    Wow… boy did I miss a great deal.

    I only skimmed the vast majority of this so forgive me if anyone was expecting me to draw fire on this thread ref. their comments *smile*.

    I just wanted to comment on Rob’s statements below:

    If I had lived back then I would have owned slaves if I had the money. It was the way things were… Thomas Jefferson had many, he was a great man.

    Yes, kind makes one think, in 1000 yrs will I have been considered doing something “evil” because I considered my dog “property?” Should I be paying him better wages in the form of doggie treats and making a concerted effort to communicate with him better? *smile* Was euthanizing my last cat due to his paralysis from a brain defect just plain wrong because I did not have the ability to communicate with him and ask his wishes? I think that Rob is right in this respect.

    Social morays and such are fluid and evolve over the years. I like to think they become “better” but due to the limitations of language it’s hard to really nail down what that means. However, I *DO* believe in some kind of “objective” morality. Not so much “objective” in the unchanging cosmic sense requiring a “God,” but in the sense that it is OK to say, “My morals and values are better than (for example) those of a devout Muslim fanatic.” I hope this makes sense, again, limitations of language.

    If you think we are civilized, then let us dissolve the police departments. Should we do that, the civilized would be the slaves of the uncivilized within a year.

    We are all monkeys sitting in trees throwing feces at each other. We have just built legal walls to keep the poop at a manageable level.

    In a sense that sentiment resonates with me; however, I feel compelled to point out, it is “us” as a “civilized” society that has purposely and willfully built these walls. Were we to dissolve the police department, yes, anarchy would likely ensue. However, in a few more (or many more) years the “civilized” would have rebuilt those police departments.

    I guess for any kind of dialogue on any subject one really has to clearly lay out the definitions of words first, otherwise we play the semantics game; something I find somewhat entertaining, but mainly frustrating. This is really why I think I have always preferred the hard sciences over philosophy and the liberal arts.

    Rob: I’ll look for your comments in the future.

  28. #403753
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, Marauder said:

    On August 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, Jamson64 said:
    Marauder..yes people can be that extreme. It should be of no surprise.

    Give me a break, I’m twenty-two. I haven’t exactly spent years becoming well-versed in the depths to which people will sink.

  29. #406669
    On August 14th, 2008 at 9:35 am, RetFireman said:

    Imagine that…the putz couldn’t produce his evidence. I’m so shockrd.

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