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1. #301
   On August 12th, 2008 at 9:54 am, ICBMMan said:

   On August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am, Dimsdale said:
   Given the myriad forms of preconception birth control out there, some which can be used redundantly, there is really no excuse for having to have an abortion, other than the usual issues.

   Abortion has become both a business and a cult.

   Absolutely. Well said.

2. #302
   On August 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Misscheryl said:

   To answer directly though, this question has been a frequent topic of debate in relation to this issue. And it’s not going away anytime soon.

   Abstractmind – it’ll go away only when people stop engaging this idiocy. Honestly, they don’t want logic anyway, they want justification and will do anything to get it. They’ve pulled conservatives around by the nose long enough! And I for one am done – I’ll vote my conscience.

3. #303
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am, Misscheryl said:

   ICBMMan said:
   On August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am, Dimsdale said:
   Given the myriad forms of preconception birth control out there, some which can be used redundantly, there is really no excuse for having to have an abortion, other than the usual issues.

   Abortion has become both a business and a cult.

   That has been my reasoning all along. I suggest us conservatives stick to the truth of the matter instead of letting liberals dictate the discussion. Do not argue in abstracts – only truths!

4. #304
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:04 am, conservativesRus said:

   On August 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Rusty said:

   I don’t like killing babies. I don’t even like abortion. I do like adult women making their own choices regarding their fetus and not having people get in their way.

   So we see that Rusty has no problem with the concept of “ownership” of people – and the “right” to do with those other people whatever you want. So….I’m really confused as to why he might think slavery is bad and/or honor killings might be bad.

5. #305
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:05 am, Jim M. said:

   It’s only a “fetus”. That assertion follows an all to familiar refrain that history shows is the masterful attempt of the human race to humanize the inhuman, to make palatable the unpalatable and to justify the unjust.

   If a being is painted in terms that are accepted as something other than human, the rights we hold so dearly do not apply. It becomes an issue of dealing with property, or eliminating an inconvenience, or relieving a “curse” from our presence.

   What’s the big deal, they’re just “slaves”. Those vile “Juden” need to be removed from polite society. The “infidel” must be eliminated.

   And that historical demonization has morphed in modern times as a way of dealing with those inconveniences in life. Hitler was perhaps the father of this movement, when he all to quietly removed the disabled, the mentally retarded and the homosexuals from the Ayrian race.

   Today pregnancies are “unwanted” and the resulting life has no place in society while it is merely a “fetus”. A boil to be lanced. That thought process has moved into the realm of the sidabled, with terms like “PVS” used to describe those that are selected for culling from the society of the able bodied. Assisted suicide is actually an approved medical procedure covered by health plans.

   The rhetoric of the Obama’s of the world allows society to be unburdened by curses and inconveniences while allow people to be able to still feel good about themselves by affixing a less than human label on the condition or affliction. Why, abortion is nothing more than the removal of a mole or a wart. If you want it removed from your body, that is your decision.

   We as a society have succumbed to the effects of that slippery slope, sliding into an abyss of justified homicide all in the name of convenience. Abdication of all the consequences of personal responsibility from a ruling class that supplants the edicts of religion . A new religion for a brave new world.

   God help us.

6. #306
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am, Misscheryl said:

   Yes, God help us when we kill our own offspring.

7. #307
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:17 am, abstractmind said:

   On August 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Misscheryl said:

   they may pull you around by the nose, but how many liberals can stand up to the facts?

   But you do as you wish. I’ll keep looking for the truth while others put their heads in the sand.

8. #308
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:19 am, Misscheryl said:

   abstractmind…carry on :0)

9. #309
   On August 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am, ThatSamIAm said:

   EVERY DAY WE SEE MORE AND MORE EVIDENCE THAT B.H. OBAMA IS JUST A HYPED UP VERSION OF THE GREAT SOCIALIST JIMMY CARTER. ON EVERY SOCIAL AND FOREIGN ISSUE HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE BLACK VERSION OF CARTER.

   HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE SOME NATION TAKES HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS HOSTAGE WHILE B.H.O. PANDERS AND APPEASES THEM ALONG THE WAY?

   LIKE MOST LIBERAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS B.H.O. IS A COWARD AND THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE HE IS WILLING TO ATTACK IS THE UNBORN.

10. #310
    On August 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am, zeroangel said:

    Wow… boy did I miss a great deal.

    I only skimmed the vast majority of this so forgive me if anyone was expecting me to draw fire on this thread ref. their comments *smile*.

    I just wanted to comment on Rob’s statements below:

    If I had lived back then I would have owned slaves if I had the money. It was the way things were… Thomas Jefferson had many, he was a great man.

    Yes, kind makes one think, in 1000 yrs will I have been considered doing something “evil” because I considered my dog “property?” Should I be paying him better wages in the form of doggie treats and making a concerted effort to communicate with him better? *smile* Was euthanizing my last cat due to his paralysis from a brain defect just plain wrong because I did not have the ability to communicate with him and ask his wishes? I think that Rob is right in this respect.

    Social morays and such are fluid and evolve over the years. I like to think they become “better” but due to the limitations of language it’s hard to really nail down what that means. However, I *DO* believe in some kind of “objective” morality. Not so much “objective” in the unchanging cosmic sense requiring a “God,” but in the sense that it is OK to say, “My morals and values are better than (for example) those of a devout Muslim fanatic.” I hope this makes sense, again, limitations of language.

    If you think we are civilized, then let us dissolve the police departments. Should we do that, the civilized would be the slaves of the uncivilized within a year.

    We are all monkeys sitting in trees throwing feces at each other. We have just built legal walls to keep the poop at a manageable level.

    In a sense that sentiment resonates with me; however, I feel compelled to point out, it is “us” as a “civilized” society that has purposely and willfully built these walls. Were we to dissolve the police department, yes, anarchy would likely ensue. However, in a few more (or many more) years the “civilized” would have rebuilt those police departments.

    I guess for any kind of dialogue on any subject one really has to clearly lay out the definitions of words first, otherwise we play the semantics game; something I find somewhat entertaining, but mainly frustrating. This is really why I think I have always preferred the hard sciences over philosophy and the liberal arts.

    Rob: I’ll look for your comments in the future.

11. #311
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, Marauder said:

    On August 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, Jamson64 said:
    Marauder..yes people can be that extreme. It should be of no surprise.

    Give me a break, I’m twenty-two. I haven’t exactly spent years becoming well-versed in the depths to which people will sink.

12. #312
    On August 14th, 2008 at 9:35 am, RetFireman said:

    Imagine that…the putz couldn’t produce his evidence. I’m so shockrd.