Calling the Democrats’ energy bluff, Pt III
Come on, Nan. Time’s a wastin’.
Blunt: If Speaker is Serious, Bring the House Back into Session for a Vote on Energy
WASHINGTON – House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) issued the following statement today after Speaker Pelosi indicated last night on CNN’s Larry King Live that she is now open to a vote on lifting the 27-year-old ban on deep-ocean energy exploration, one of the key elements of House Republicans’ “all of the above” American Energy Act:
“I was certainly encouraged to hear the Speaker last night suggest a willingness to allow the House to have an up-or-down vote on the merits of unlocking the potential of America’s abundant energy resources. But the proof will be in the proverbial pudding.
“House Republicans have already made our position clear – a position that includes remaining on the floor of the U.S. House to demand a genuine debate and straightforward vote on the most important issue facing Americans today. Despite what we heard last night, the speaker’s position is far from clear – but she could clear that up by bringing the House back into session and working with Republicans to pass a serious energy plan to bring down prices at the pump.”
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This is the biggest no-brainer in us history. The USA can chew gum and walk at the same time. Drill to cover till we change to something else. DDDDDDDUUUUUHHHHH
I’m sure she’ll let that vote happen.
Right after her book tour.
“We can’t vote our way out of this problem.”
abstractmind, she has to sell at least 2 more books too feel better about herself…
And right before the elections. So that they can take all the credit and glory that “they” did something about it.
Just like how all of a sudden they’re “pro life”.
Yeah, say and do anything to get elected.
The democrats are reading the polls and know that if they don’t allow a vote that puts seats in jeopardy. This is simply Pelosi (and soon, Reid) trying to protect seats and gain a few more.
You know, using fuzzy math, that is true.
2 = 2million if it makes her feel better.
I e-mailed my congressman (Peter Welch) on the Friday they left for vacation. I told him that if anyone was there on Monday (at the time it was up in the air whether they would do so) that I, as one of his constituents, demand he return to Washington to address the issue.
The following week I received a long reply which can basically be whittled down to “Bush, Bush, Bush, it’s all Bush’s fault, and I have a plan but Bush won’t listen.”
No surprise…Welch wants to take over for Leahy when he’s done screwing the American people and creating a Socialist Amerika.
Boy howdy did you get that right, BlameAm..!! That’s been my fear all along!
Clearly her definition of consumer is not the same as mine, but closer to my definition of “political crony”. And I’ll bet Exxon, BP, et al. will be thrilled to know that we are going to give them money to drill so they need not waste their recent profits on risky drilling. Perhaps we will also give money to China since they are already drilling there?
Um, Soap….that’s not “fuzzy” math….that’s “Obambi Math”.
pelosi is lying and not selling any books as well.
who’s larry king? lol.
Actually, that’s the math that lgm teaches.
dang how’d I do that!
VOTE DEM OUT
That is the only way sanity will be made to this whole energy-enviroMENTAL debacle. Kudos to Ms. Malkin and others for providing some additional background on Pelosi’s secret scheming with TBone “Slim” Pickens and his lofty airhead scheme. Fantastic how these people are afraid of real technology: NUKE and on the horizon: TOKAMAK. No, they prefer to wee the twirling pinwheels (Oh joy, Oh joy).
These fools seem to have a dark underlying plan. Unfortunately, I (as well as many others) work for a living employing people and making things used in industry. Which seems to be dying at the hands of the Dems, Unions, EnvironMENTALists, and of course Hollywood.
If we get rid of all the current Democrats in both the House and Senate, and perhaps a few Republicans who are a bit lofty and vote in sensible, responsible, dare I say…logical (I did, I did), then we can address our energy, conservation, and industry issues once and for all (or at least for a couple of years by making it a living document).
By the way, Energy Independence is a Crock of &%*$. Don’t let Dem sell you on that one. I doubt any of the Dems or the “Experts” they use have a real degree, or have ever been gainfully employed in the technical/industrial sector. If these people had this experience, I think they would be making more sense.
That’s my two-bits.
Back to work.
The strike button is next to the quote!
yeah, just glad I wasnt standing next to misscheryl while she was carving a roast.
I’m such a ditz! Thanks all…
Well, I was reading an article in Abstractmind Daily that said that Charmin had been approached to put copies of the book into their 12 packs of toilet paper.
Charmin responded, saying that sh!t wasnt actually placed with the toilet paper until AFTER the consumer arrived home with their product.
aj, understand Misscheryl uses a hockey mask and chainsaw to carve it with
They’ve been calling for an energy “moonshot”, an Apollo-program for energy. But what do they mean? It’s not a “moonshot” to improve the efficiency of solar panels, wind turbines, or battery packs by 5-10%. If it can be done, industry can do it. Building a hydrogen infrastructure? If there’s money to be made (which is a decent measure of whether a technology is efficient), industry will build the infrastructure. These aren’t “moonshot” concepts. They’re just nationalizing sectors of research and/or industry.
A real Apollo program for energy would be focused on something like fusion power. If it can be done, it has GREAT potential, but it’s way too immature right now for most industries to invest in it. If fusion power can work, we can literally generate energy from seawater. Imagine the revenues from other nations if we held the patents on that!
I was born after the real Apollo program ended, but at least I know what a real “moonshot” program is supposed to be.
Chances are good she’ll find a way to tie several very distasteful items in the ‘up or down’ vote. Kind of like offering you a piece of candy but telling if you take it, you lose a foot.
Is Larry King still on? Hell, is CNN still on?
awesome, someone else knows about this
i’ve discussed this here before 
but there’s a problem with using seawater then, government would have to contend with…
*drum roll*
Big Water.
ROFL
i think it’s on john, they just use a broomstick to prop him up with and a drool cup.
Nan’s is the only book I know of that reads “Please recyle immediately” on the inside of the cover.
LOL
As Paris Hilton would say,
Republicans had plenty of time to promote an energy bill. They passed several in the six years they controlled Congress and the Presidency. Those had little but pork and giveaways to oil companies.
Offshore drilling is just another giveaway that will do little about gas prices, not in one year, not in five years, and not in twenty years. Until Republicans stop focusing exclusively on drilling, there is no point in having a conversation.
Democrats Obama and Pelosi have offered a compromise: we will accept offshore drilling if you accept some of our ideas. Republicans refused. That’s how much they care about gas prices.
jdubya & abstractmind,
It appears we’re on the same page regarding fusion. I haven’t seen anyone mention it anywhere but here. Sure it’s decades away, but that’s the only sort of research that government can invest in better than industry. When it gets close to viable, industry will be quite interested.
Sorry, AM, I haven’t read your prior posts on it but I’ll keep an eye out. “Big water” — ha! More nefarious than big wind.
Hey, everybody, look –
lgm found his talking points!
You need to put that air pressure gauge away and take an economics lesson. And how high are gas prices during an oil “glut?”
We covered this before. Your answers were destroyed on that thread repeatedly. I wont even attempt to go back over that again, it would be fruitless.
But when asked to come back and levy a vote…….crickets can be heard chirping.
Why don’t you try actually – I don’t know – reading the proposed legislation, before trying to obfuscate, jack the thread, etc., lgm. I realize it is a novel concept for you but you should really give it a try.
Maybe even you would see how ignorant your statements are. Then, after reading it, you can continue with your ranting but will have moved from ignorant to stupid. See? You would be more of a progressive then.
lgm,
Who among us is forgiving the Republicans for their prior ineptitude on the issue? The Democrats are just as inept, but this isn’t really a contest…this is our economy. Republicans aren’t against wind and solar. That’s baloney. They’re for everything. It’s the Democrats who are against certain technologies like oil and nuclear.
What I don’t get is why you seem to want to punish the industries that produce >80% of our energy and reward the industries that produce ~1% of our energy. Dooesn’t that seem backwards to you?
lgm still spouting the Pelosi line, how sweet.
It’s always nice to have a little sound effect.
I’m new to the post but have been reading for quite some time. Thanks for access (finally) Mrs. Malkin! This lgm character is a strange duck. I never realized how blatently transparent liberal folks are. I’m not a rocket scientist, but the basic laws of supply and demand dictate the prices of goods. Basic economic principles and historical statistics support that. It has also been painfully obvious for years how much money the government TAKES from oil companies, contractors, suppliers, and consumers. People like lgm need to wake up and understand that our present government is becoming more overt about its socialist, autocratic, even marxist leanings.
Yeah. And good to have ya here!
I’ve read alot about the posibility of plamsa as a solid alternative energy source. Alot of what i’ve read has great positives, but no negatives. I’m not sure if its because they dont know of them, it doesnt have any, or…they didnt want to publish them. still reading on it, but I would rather go in these types of directions instead of wind power, etc
Then why are you libs pushing the Global Warming issue? Nothing we do will help in five years, and not in twenty years.
SO WHY PUSH IT DUMB A$$ Your logic is flawed math man.
By typing this, you have just proved you have no idea what the republicans want. The republican bill allows for drilling AND everything else you claim you want. You did read about it right? Did you bother looking outside you liberal web sites? Are you shocked to find out the liberal websites are LYING to you? Did you know that some of the oil drilling the republicans want to do will get new oil to the market in less than 6 months? yes some of it will take 10 years but that is only the HARDEST oil to get.
In conclusion LGM, why are you repeating what is clearly a bald faced lie?
lgm, their plan is called: “All of the Above” Energy Strategy.
gee’s
John, if lgm read any of the American Energy Act bill, he didn’t get past Title I to even see what the Republicans propose in Title II (Conservation and Efficiency) or Title III (New and Expanding Technologies).
It doesn’t fit with his attempt to try to refocus others’ sights from Pelosi and her do-nothing liberal friends in Congress, to actually look at the full package of what has been proposed.
I wrote my congress person (a real liberal thorn) and both senators (one real good, the other so-so) and told all of them to accept nothing short of the American Energy Plan. Now that Grandma Nan has let go of the Nanny state a bit, maybe something good will happen once these folks come back from their vacations on my dime. Keep up the heat, the calls, and the emails. Seeing the Obamessiah change his stand a bit and now Grandma Nan, I am encouraged. Keep up the fight.
I read this book writen in the 1970’s about a couple of power generation projects designed by nasa. Both of them require huge solar panel arrays in high orbit. But they the either transmit the power down a space elevator, or convert the power to low powered microwaves and transmit that to collectors here on earth. The microwaves were so weak that you could run cattle under the collectors yet you could power almost the entire usa from them. This was 1970’s technologies. Imagine what we could do today.
If you don’t trust the site I have linked, lgm, do a search for yourself for “H.R. 6566“. One of the top sites to come up on Google, even, is http://www.govtrack.us.
I realize it isn’t TalkingPointMemo or Wikipedia, some of your usual sources, but you might be able to manage it.
Note with a space elevator you can move hundreds of tons of stuff into orbit for what it costs to move a few pounds today. It is literaly a “cord” that goes all the way into orbit and is anchored on an asteriod on one end and earth on the other.
Liberals/demcrats say we can’t drill for oil, but they are more than willing to drill into the brain of an unborn child. I hate them all.
There it is. Pillosse flipped on drilling and left lgm holding the bag. lgm acquiesced and has become even more dumb (as if that were possible).
Dimocraps are heroes!!! Your are The Idiot! You are seeing a team of therapists aren’t you?
Pew poll out this morning shows 68% of likely voters support off shore drilling, not that it has anything to do with the Botox Broads actions.
We can cut down all the trees at Berkley, with or without hippies, for heat for awhile. That would be an alternative energy source. I wanted to add the Speaker’s book to the pyre but George Soros would not release them.
Ok, quit talking. Drilling is the fastest relief and a matter of national security as the Russian invasion of Georgia shows. What alternative and new energies come with be by market forces and technology and little to do with the Cartoon Congress.
I am doing my part–I have a solar powered calcuator.
It’s only a mouse-click call away.
On August 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, abstractmind said:
Thanks for the welcome! I’ve lurked for years, registered some months ago, but usually still lurk.
I’ve read that certain fusion reactions produce little or no radioactive waste, and the amount of fuel available on Earth would last millions of years. Fuel can conceivably be harvested from the solar wind and the surface of the Moon. The energy density is theoretically higher than fission. It seems that the upsides far outweigh the downsides. It’s a matter of getting it to work.
I’m not particularly against wind or solar power. I just think that the applications for them are far more limited. The energy sources themselves are far too diffuse to produce massive quantities of electricity, much less keep up with the desired growth of the economy. I’d rather the government get out of the way and let the private sector determine where wind and solar make sense.
OK … here is my 21st century energy prediction …
Sometime within the next 15 years as they try to unsuccessfully produce an alternative source to economically move our vehicles someone will discover an as yet unthought of source of almost limitless energy that will be both efficient and cost effective …
This new source WILL NOT BE solar, wind, thermal, coal or bio in nature …
I expect that in our drive toward more nuclear electicity production they will uncover a new technology that will allow our “vehicles” to use miniaturized reactors in place of combustion engines …
Shades of Flash Gordon …
On August 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, lgm said:
Actually, until Democrats stop misrepresenting Republicans and vilifying vital industries, there is no possibility of having a conversation.
More like ‘Back to the Future’. Remember the Mr. Fusion that powered the time machine?
Although, I do agree with you. If they can find a way to make cold fusion work, our energy problems are over. I don’t think it’ll happen in the next 15 years, but I think it will happen.
Anytime.
I have read about that, and the solar wind angle does provide an interesting option.
And i also agree the private sector should work this out. Let competition and innovation carry this.
I’ll do some more reading about the fission/fusion issue and see what else i can find.
I think wind/solar power could be viable, but would putting them together make more sense? even on a small scale? I mean, realistically, what size mill would you need for a house? and then compliment that with solar panels? How much energy would all of it generate? enough to power a house? And would it be a viable option in places that are more crowded, like cities? In the country, sure. A place like Oklahoma or texas would benefit. But to me, its a question of viability and effectiveness. I could see it if it were something the size of a satalite dish for the wind portion, and the panels on the roof..wouldnt be intrusive. But could it do the job?
I should research this a bit more, but thats where my questions and interests in the subject lie.
EUREKA!
I remember reading a story recently where someone had actually developed something along those lines. ARGH. I need to go find that story again. I’ll get back to you on this.
HA!
got it
http://metasurfing.blogspot.com/2007/12/real-mr-fusion-getting-oil-and-gas-from.html
guitarplayer …
I was saying 15 years because I figure there will be an intense renewal in interest that will result in increased efforts directed toward figuring out ways to apply technologies like cold fusion in practical and economical ways …
thanks for the follow up …
Wait 12 months from now. The Xprize auto race is coming. There no government money involved. I know of 2 cars that are going to blow your minds. We will always need oil for their hydrocarbons but not for transportation. Drill now drill everywhere.
abstractmind …
thanks for the informative link …
btw … Siemens has been using a cold fusion process in some of their high speed commercial laser printers for a number of years …
Sethery said (#54):
Fusion energy seems like a great idea, but it has not yet been made to work. The state of the art is the huge ITER project, which is still research.
Fusion energy researchers have a private joke: at any given time fusion power will be practical 40 years in the future. They first started saying this in the 60’s. Now the target date is 2050. It’s definitely worth trying, but don’t hold your breath.
$114 a barrel as of today . I’m sure Nan will take credit for that. I’m sure she will take credit for new energy sources when they are developed. The libs will try to have it both ways.
Cool! Not quite fusion, but a really interesting invention. It would really help out in reducing the need for drilling for oil in the long run. It could also help reduce the amount of garbage going to landfills.
No problem. For what it’s worth, I hope you’re right on that 15 years.
Lgm
Don’t you get it? The big government projects don’t work. Innovation ALWAYS come from the individual.
That solar power satellite idea (SPS) is a big favorite of the science fiction community and is still promoted by my favorite author, Jerry Pournelle.
Yes, this technology is easily feasible today. Yes, cattle could graze under the rectennae that would receive the microwaves with no ill health problems.
The problem we have here is that it isn’t in Exxon Mobil’s (for example, insert any energy company) interest to develop it, nor could the US government run this program today according to any realistic timetable or financial schedule.
Unless some brand new energy start-up takes the lead on something like a series of SPS units it will never get done. I don’t see the odds of this happening anytime soon, unless commercial space travel sparks interest in things “space” once again.
Actually the timeframe has always been 20 years, and yes this has been true since the 1960s. Why has fusion not yet become practical? Because only government entities are involved and there’s no profit in it. We’re well past the “breakeven” point of 1 erg in to generate 1 erg of energy, but fusion power still is not efficient enough to generate power commercially.
nods, it is interesting. i’d like to see where thats at in a few years.
lgm, alot of the alternatives are still in research. but doesnt the prospect of getting off oil and moving forward merit its discussion?
I worked on a solar car my senior year in college which was way back in 1998. There haven’t been a whole lot of advances since then: slow, no power, no running w/o sunlight (batteries are too heavy), no passengers, no load. No future.
I believe that once a technology is viable the private sector can best put it to use. Sometimes, however, government research is necessary to bring a technology closer to viable. Space exploration was in that class, and I believe that fusion power still is.
I think current solar technology is at a point where a small panel could power a home, but the expense is still the top issue, at ~$15,000 for an average home. Additionally, either rechargable batteries or a backup plug-in to the main grid is necessary to get through the nighttime hours and prolonged cloudy periods. I think it’s still better to produce electricity at a large regional plant and distribute it through a grid. The economics of scale kicks in by doing it that way.
Speaking of the economics of scale, about a month ago I had read about a company that is trying to get licensed by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to mass produce small (tractor/trailer-sized) nuclear reactors that can be quickly trucked around the country and plugged into the grid. Each one can power several thousand homes and can run for 30 years without refuel. When they need refuelling, they can replace the old reactor with a new one and send the old one back for reconditioning. They also claimed to have built in security against terrorism. I’ll try to dig up a link. They turn around the concept of the economy of scale, because instead of builing a few giant plants, they mass-produce many small plants.
Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a hoax.
“Oil Shortage” is a hoax.
Oil is not a fossil fuel.
Oil is a “renewable” fuel.
We have enough oil in OCS, ANWR, and oil shale that we could become an oil EXPORTER if the Democratic Socialists weren’t trying to “Bring an Empire to its knees“.
Read the Black Gold Stranglehold and
The Deep Hot Biosphere : The Myth of Fossil Fuels.
Ask yourself why Russia and China have no problem drilling for oil, (in China’s case, drilling for our oil just off the coast of Florida!), yet our congress prevents us from doing so.
Whose team are they on:
Ours, China’s, or Russia’s?
You misquoted. What you cited as my words were actually me quoting abstractmind.
It is true that fusion power is still an immature technology, but you basically repeated some of what I said. I described it as a “moonshot” project exactly because it’s ambitious and long-term. Who the hell is holding their breath for it??? What is your point? Why don’t you address the other issues, like why you misrepresented the Republican policy or why you want to punish large producers and subsidize negligible producers?
good posts!
if you find the link to the story you were talking about, let me know. would be interested to read it
Which Republicans are focusing exclusively on drilling? Republicans want to do everything that’s cost effective, be it drilling, solar, wind, or nuclear. It’s the Democrats who want to limit our choices. They don’t want drilling and they don’t want climate friendly nuclear power. They only want alternatives that are not yet practical or cost effective.
By the way, lgm, have you gotten off oil yet? You and your fellow Democrats think it is time for the country to get off oil. How about setting the example for the rest of us and stop using oil, yourselves. That is one thing that would lower the price of oil immediately. So, go ahead, show the country how easy it is to get off oil and then come back and report. Otherwise, “there is no point in having a conversation” with you.
So lgm, your saying that even though it may take 40 years to bring fusion to a viable production stage, we should definitely try it, but we shouldn’t drill in ANWR or off the coast because it won’t be productive for ten years?
How do you reconcile that in your own mind? It gives me a headache.
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abstractmind,
Ah HA! Here is the link to the company or consortium out of Oregon that is working on one of the mini-reactor designs.
http://www.nuscalepower.com/
And here is a clean-technology-blog piece on both NuScale and another company with a completely different modular design, Hyperion. Enjoy!
lgm is mentally ill. Period. I have not seen a reasonably thought out post since I joined MM. He’s just a radical nutjob.
If I didn’t know what he looked like, I’d say he was just screwing with us. Nobody can possibly be this unreasonable.
The same Libs that say we shouldn’t drill here because it won’t affect the price asked Saudi Arabia to INCREASE drilling there to do the same. Hypocrisy, thy name is Liberalism.
I get tired of the argument of drill, drill ,drill that’s all they (republicans) talk about. UH NO it’s part of doing EVERYTHING you can to reduce dependency of foreign oil and prices at the pump, ALONG WITH invest/provide incentives towards alternatives. Is it selective hearing like my 7 year old?
Now if we can get Little Lord Funatleroy Lindsey Graham and his trairoous morons to drop that “Gang of 10″ capitulation in the Senate, we may get somehwere.
Why do the libs want the Saudis to produce more oil? Are not the libs concerned with the enviornment in Saudi Arabia? What fools, they only worry about the land where we live and not the rest of the world. Remember libs hte desert is a delicate ecological zone.
The Sphincter of the House Pelosi has probably been overwhelmed with the love and affection of the us, her U.S. constituents.
It is really annoying as to when she decides to side with us or stay against us.
Do not trust San Fran Nan, the lib! The liberals will try to confuse the issue. Most likely she will say drill a little here, they have leases, etc. She is like a snake, a slimy snake and most snakes are not slimy, but she will confuse the issue. You have to remember, she is from San Francisco and she is not just a liberal, she is a San Francisco Liberal which is about as anti American as you can get. It is totally beyond me how she got elected “speaker of the house” while representing such a very small percentage of the population if the country. The liberal views of SF.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims she is now willing to allow a vote on drilling…IF, Bush releases oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Russia just invaded Georgia, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to place stipulations on a bill for drilling, i.e. release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Er…Nancy, the SPR – “provides a national defense fuel reserve” and is for an “emergency” situation, e.g. the 1973-74 oil embargo.
BTW, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi…Russia has returned to power by drilling and using their other energy resources, whilst you and your ilk force America to be dependent upon foreign supplies.
SHEESH!! Who elects these morons?!?
lgm sounds just like many of my tenured professors who can ride their little bike to work because the school is the town in which they live. tons of totally impossible solutions for people living in the real world. maybe we can harness the wind power of our “counting the angels on the head of a pin” proffs and power china.
There is only one immediate solution and that is drill and drill now! Oil and coal rule!
LGM
One big reason why the democrats now control Congress. Of course, I’m sure most Americans would take them over this Congress anyday, as the Congressional approval ratings that are noticeably absent from the MSM and your and Rusty’s posts suggest.
There’s no point in having a conversation so Nancy Pelosi can go and promote her book and because the blue-dogs, the democrats who aren’t controlled by the far left, want LOWER gas prices. Pelosi, Reid and the far left WANT higher gas prices because they THINK that people will use less gas, when in reality, because of all the suburban development, they have no choice. The only other option is for people to not work, and you know what that means, LGM? No more federal revenue for your precious ACLU and GLBT groups which we shouldn’t fund anyway since all they are really doing is paving the way for Islamism to rule us all.
“Some of our ideas” really means no drilling. The only compromise, LGM, was in the Senate because Saxby Chambliss and Lindsey Graham yielded to democrat demands.
I, for one, know that the blue-dogs will support drilling, that’s why Pelosi left town and why the brave and noble republicans still in the House are fighting for the people, not for left-wing zealots, such as yourself, who cannot even listen to their own advice.
You’ll have to do much better than that on here, LGM.