The “Making Abortion Rare” hoax

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 12, 2008 12:29 PM

David Limbaugh sets deluded pro-life Democrats straight:

[H]ow can we reasonably expect a party, whose platform is supposed to mirror the agenda of its presidential candidate, to adopt anything but a “strong and unequivocal” statement promoting abortion when that candidate, in a moment of spontaneous candor, said that if his daughters made a “mistake,” he wouldn’t “want them punished with a baby”?

Are pro-life Obama supporters so selfishly hooked on a feeling — the euphoric state of Obamamania — that they’ll back Obama and his party in the most immoral crusade since slavery? It appears so.

Silly sheeple.

No reaction yet from the pro-life Democrats to the documents exposing Obama’s abortion lies.

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  1. #403471
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, sambo said:

    I’ll believe there are pro-life Democrats after I meet one of the ‘moderate muslims’ I’ve been hearing about.

  2. #403474
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:

    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

  3. #403476
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I expect their final judgement to be swift and terrible. They deserve nothing less for this genocide.

  4. #403481
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    lgm, are you really that myopic? You take my breath away, and not in a good way.

  5. #403482
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Abstenance reduces pregnancy AND sexually transmitted diseases and almost whipes out the need for abortions! Democrat opposition to this and it’s support of personal irresponsiblity has increased abortions and STDs

  6. #403484
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, StanW said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs

    Sex education reduces abortion? Can you back that up with anything resembling proof?

    And Republicans that simply oppose these things, not actually gettting them stopped but simply opposing them, has caused abortion and STDs to increase.

    So no matter what Liberals so, when it works they are the reason, but when it fails, Republicans are to blame?

  7. #403487
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, Silkyinfamous said:

    Newly obtained documents prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an IL state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion -

    I’m a Democrat, and this makes me want to throw up. How dare he. Agreeing in the Crushing of skulls of those that made it through forced labor with intent to kill.

    Kind of interesting language, so if for a miracle, the baby is still alive after an attempted abortion, wouldn’t it make it a baby before the abortion?
    NOW has some explaining to do.

  8. #403488
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, sonofdy said:

    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion.

    I agree. This is not illegal anywhere that I know of.

    Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs.

    Yes but it also teen sex rates. Thats the good and the bad of it.

    Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    Not just republicans. You know you might want to try looking at things beyond the republican/democrat divide. Many DEMOCRATS oppose those things as well.

  9. #403491
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm, sonofdy said:

    also increases….

  10. #403490
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm, DaveC said:

    LGM takes the cake for the dumbest thing ever said today..

    (qualifier.. ‘today’)

    Just because you say it doesn’t mean it’s true, Ellgie..

  11. #403495
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:

    OK, wait a tick.

    lgm, you’ve condemned republicans for championing for carrying the standard for the one thing that absolutely prevents pregnancy: Abstinence.

    but thats not right to teach, is it?

    And for the record…its been my experience that conservatives hate those things. But as a parent, *I* want to be the final arbiter of how my children learn about the subject. I find it absolutely inappropriate that they would pass out condoms or teach sex ed in elementary schools, as has clearly been the case (and one you’ve defended in the past on other threads).

    Our problem isnt the instruction, so much as the lack of control over how our kids are thusly educated. THAT is the problem we address. I believe, in this day and age, that we do need to educate people about prevention and protection.

    But not at 8 years old.

    Its something I as a responsible parent want to teach my children…on my time, and in a way i feel is both appropriate and educational. that’s all.

  12. #403496
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    Sex education does no such thing. Giving out condoms in high school encourages sex. Condoms do not prevent aids and some other STDs. And it is not Republican opposition, it is Conservative opposition. Their are pro-life democrats just like their are pro-choice republicans. Please try again.

  13. #403498
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, Remulak said:

    lgm, giving out condoms in high school promotes sexual activity with the illusion that all will be fine.

    And, Misscheryl is right. Abstinence reduces pregnancy and STD.

  14. #403499
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, tre said:

    #5 Misscheryl. Isn’t strange that Democrats think children can be taught to “just say no to drugs” and that “smoking isn’t cool.” But, can’t be taught to “abstain from sex until marriage, then stay faithful to your spouse.”

    Barack HUSSEIN Obama CLAIMS to be a Christian, yet supports killing babies, even that evil and unholy practice called “partial birth abortion”, and supports denying medical care to babies who survive abortion. He even calls, what God says is a Blessing, “punishment.”

    He doesn’t sound like a Christian.

  15. #403502
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I still want to know why it should be rare if it’s a good idea.
    If it’s a bad idea, why allow it at all?
    Safe but rare is a logical inconsistency.

  16. #403503
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Misscheryl said:

    It’s a good thing that lgm posts here…

  17. #403505
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, gandolphxx said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    How about trying some parental responsibility and moral guidance – novel idea.

  18. #403512
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, Silkyinfamous said:

    Telling someone to be abstinent or to give out protection at school is pointless. Those that want to be protected will be, those who choose not, will not. These ideas do not manifest by themselves. It is up to the parents to instill ideas on no sex to marriage, or safe sex. It’s called Parenting.

  19. #403516
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, Misscheryl said:

    almost whipes out the need for abortions

    correction – eliminates the need of any excuse for abortions

  20. #403515
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, conservativesRus said:

    LGM – sex outside marriage increases unwanted pregnancy and is entirely responsible for STD’s (if there were only sexual relations inside of marriage, there would be zero STDs). Abstinence completely addresses both of these consequences.
    It’s all very simple.

  21. #403517
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, sonofdy said:

    Sex education in school is a good idea because you know some girl will be fooled by some of the myths out there, and not all perants are responsiable. Handing out condoms is a bad idea because they aren’t allways used and do break. Condoms encourage sex. Abortions are the worst idea. The best idea is that the sex does not even occur untill the girl is ready to support the child because a 16 year old boy is NOT going to support anything but getting laid.

  22. #403518
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Isn’t strange that Democrats think children can be taught to “just say no to drugs” and that “smoking isn’t cool.” But, can’t be taught to “abstain from sex until marriage, then stay faithful to your spouse.”

    Nothing Democrats do is strange to me anymore. But their worldview majoritively says they should be able to fornicate with whatever they want whenever they want to because it makes them feel good. Any attempt to teach personal responsibility is a slap in the face of that ideology thus why they oppose it so vocally.

    But hey, 1 in 4 people in NYC have genital herpes now right? So that sex education and handing out condoms on the taxpayers dime must be working so swell in that liberal bastion of perfection.

  23. #403521
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, evilned said:

    At least she did a better job lip syncing then Milly Vanilly. :)

  24. #403525
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, fronclynne said:

    Ugh. The word “sheeple” should be Left as the red-flag ad hominum for the InTellectually depraved.

  25. #403526
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Isn’t strange that Democrats think children can be taught to “just say no to drugs” and that “smoking isn’t cool.” But, can’t be taught to “abstain from sex until marriage, then stay faithful to your spouse.”

    yeah..it’s those dang “evolving” social morals again…jeeze – if they only knew then what we know know…God help us all!

  26. #403529
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, guitarplayer said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, gandolphxx said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    How about trying some parental responsibility and moral guidance – novel idea.

    Morals in the classroom?!? How dare you impose your values on our children! ;-)

    Seriously though, I would be more supportive of sex eduaction in the classroom if they left the politics out of it and just taught the FACTS.

    Unfortunately today this is not happening. It’s all taught with some agenda in mind where the facts are distored and mixed with opinion. Parents must take an active role in their kids lives and not let them be educated solely by the state and MTV. Neither of them can be trusted.

  27. #403528
    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    I suggest you re-take Biology 101.

    Sex leads to pregnancy. Birth control is not 100% effective all the time. People are encouraged and have increased sex because of birth control policies.

    Now, I’m not a mathematician, but if you increase the number of persons participating in an activity where there is a 3% chance of pregnancy (roughly the rate of failure for the pill and condoms), more people are going to get pregnant. The pill doesn’t always work.

    Indeed – out of the three states with the lowest abortion rates (Idaho, Wyoming, and South Dakota) two, Idaho and South Dakota rank 26th and 44th overall in “preventing unintended pregnancy” (i.e. – contraception). However, Idaho ranks #1 and South Dakota #3 for having low pregnancy rates that end in abortion. Which dispels the notion that more contraception = less abortion.

    The only way to prevent unintended pregnancy is to not have sex.

    Just like giving out “safe” crack kits is supposed to help reduce drug use, free contraception is supposed to lower abortion rates…but both encourage people to continue behavior that leads to natural consequences because they’re told it’s “safe” to engage in drug use or sex if they use the pill or condoms.

    The thing the GOP supports (i.e. keeping it in your pants until you’re ready to have kids) will have a 100% success rate. I know a girl who was on the pill who got pregnant twice and had two abortions. I know many couples who were on the pill and found themselves pregnant. I have never known a woman or man who was abstinent that found themselves a parent unexpectedly. Sex is not a “right”. Free contraception is not a “right”. No one has ever died from not having sex.

    But 50 million children have died from abortion.

  28. #403540
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    Let’s call it what it is:
    SHACKING UP — and shacking is the major cause of the spread of STDs….

    No Excuses for members of 1) either party Dem/Rep… 2)Hollywood…. or>>>>>>>>>you who believe shacking is ok-choose the next category! 3)___________

  29. #403541
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, StanW said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Just like giving out “safe” crack kits is supposed to help reduce drug use, free contraception is supposed to lower abortion rates…but both encourage people to continue behavior that leads to natural consequences because they’re told it’s “safe” to engage in drug use or sex if they use the pill or condoms.

    I actually thing that Democrats are worse than that, EQ.

    I was in a debate on gun control and the 2nd Amendment a while back. I made the point that if you wanted our streets safe from guns, one of the ways you could accomplish that is with the NRA’s Eddie Eagle gun safety program, designed to be taught in schools.

    The flurry of condemnation I got from Liberals was astounding and expected. It all boiled down to one thing. If you teach children about guns and ways to use them responsibly, they would turn into crazed killers and the streets would flow with the blood of innocent victims of gun crime. I then asked why they supported sex education, which (in their minds) taught children how to have sex responsibly, and turned them into non-procreating angels.

    The few that did not have the brains to shut up told my I was a bigoted gun-nut.

    If Liberals didn’t have double standards, they’d have no standards at all!

  30. #403549
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    As to the issue of the un-born–
    Our $$$ support of pro-life groups who are willing to put their “toe to the line” and call abortion what it is and to counsel expectant mothers and give them a place to go —$$$ help is helpful…

    CS LFL

  31. #403557
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:

    Okay. Refute what abstractmind said, lgm…

    …the one thing that absolutely prevents pregnancy: Abstinence.

    Can you do it without trying to make it a partisan issue or obfuscating? :roll:

  32. #403558
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, John Ansell said:

    Too Bad LGM’S mom didn’t believe in abortion.

  33. #403559
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    If Liberals didn’t have double standards, they’d have no standards at all!

    Yeah. I actually wrote to a place called “Street Health Toronto” – which is giving out “safe” crack kits to certain neighborhoods in Toronto. (Read about it here).

    My letter was firm, but polite (Read it here).

    This is the response I got from an employee (who’s salary is paid by tax dollars):

    This is an automatic reply to your message. We do not accept hate-mail. Please direct your hateful energy elsewhere.

    So I e-mailed her back, and she replied she had to go “save lives” by handing out drug paraphernalia.

    That’s the liberal mentality. Disagree with us, it’s “hate” – but don’t you dare accuse us of not loving tolerance and diversity!

    F-ing hypocrites.

  34. #403566
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I see poor lgm is getting picked on there see-dub. You should delete some of those comments before he needs therapy.

    Idiot, if you encourage sex you get three things;

    1. more babies
    2. more abortions
    3. more STD’s

    Either way, there are young ladies (and young men) being hurt.

    Please, tell us you care they are being hurt.

    P.S. We raised 4 girls and none had STD’s or got pregnant. We preached abstinence and it worked – go figure. Not a single one cost a tax payer a single cent. Think of the savings in dollars and lives!!!

  35. #403573
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Please, tell us you care they are being hurt.

    No – just like abortion, it’s only a tragedy when someone can’t get access to birth control or have sex…but just a non-important anomaly when bad things happen (like STDs, for example).

  36. #403579
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, guitarplayer said:

    Too Bad LGM’S mom didn’t believe in abortion.

    Woah! I don’t agree with LGM, but that was uncalled for. Let’s not go to that level.

  37. #403583
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, YTZGal said:

    I agree with the posters here — the only thing that makes abortion “rare” is abstinence.

    I shudder at our willingness to discard plain speech in favor of euphemisms — such as “third term abortion” for infanticide. It allows the unthinkable to happen. Let’s call it what it is — murder, by horrific and inhumane means. PETA would be up in arms if this barbaric practice was used in animal shelters, but we allow it to go on unchecked in abortion clinics without a second glance.

    More and more, it seems that “progressive” is the new euphemism for self-indulgent hedonist, vernacular that went out of fashion when the drug culture babies grew up and got jobs and mortgages.

  38. #403587
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, tre said:

    We can all be thankful that Mary didn’t have an abortion when she had the worlds single most important Unplanned Pregnancy. We would still need to take a sacrifice to Church every week.

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, StanW said:
    The few that did not have the brains to shut up told my I was a bigoted gun-nut.

    Do you know how you can tell when you’ve won a arguement with a liberal? When they’re reduced to calling you names, instead of using logic and reason.

  39. #403592
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I see poor lgm is getting picked on there see-dub. You should delete some of those comments before he needs therapy.

    There is help out there for him, Soap. ;-)

  40. #403599
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, guitarplayer said:

    Too Bad LGM’S mom didn’t believe in abortion.

    Woah! I don’t agree with LGM, but that was uncalled for. Let’s not go to that level.

    Agreed.

    Do you know how you can tell when you’ve won a arguement with a liberal? When they’re reduced to calling you names, instead of using logic and reason.

    Indeed. Being called names (especially bigot, homophobe, racist, sexist, Islamophobe, prude etc.) by liberals is a badge of honor. It not only means you won the argument, it means you are not whatever it is they called you. Like the boy who cried wolf, liberals can only call someone (bigot, homophobe, racist, sexist, Islamophobe, prude) so many times before it becomes a tired shtick.

    Fortunately, many Americans are realizing this. Leaving most liberals nothing to stand on except their reasoned arguments…which leaves them with nothing to stand on.

  41. #403601
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, StanW said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, tre said:

    We can all be thankful that Mary didn’t have an abortion when she had the worlds single most important Unplanned Pregnancy. We would still need to take a sacrifice to Church every week.

    I see that dynamic played out often in the abortion debate.

    Abortion lovers will sometimes site that abortion has prevented crime and kept multitudes off of the welfare roles. That, BTW, is perfectly in line with Margaret Sangers Planned Parenthood dreams. But when you add that it is also possible that the baby that was aborted yesterday would have grown into the research scientist that would have cured cancer and AIDS, they accuse you of fantasy or begin the name calling.

    Liberals have no problem predestining the children they kill with abortion, saving them from a life of misery. How convenient that (in their minds) all of the babies killed by abortion were disposable and of no use to anyone.

  42. #403608
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, sambo said:

    lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    Which one do you think John Edwards would do if he had a chance to ‘do it’ all over again. Use a condom or abstain?

  43. #403611
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Which one do you think John Edwards would do if he had a chance to ‘do it’ all over again. Use a condom or abstain?

    As I said in the thread about Edwards, for all her mistakes and for being the mistress of a man with a sick wife, I am amazed this woman didn’t have an abortion. And, for that, she deserves credit.

  44. #403621
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, sambo said:

    englishqueen01 said:
    I am amazed this woman didn’t have an abortion. And, for that, she deserves credit.

    I would give the ‘credit’ to the dollar signs she saw!

    My point was that a condem would not help Edwards (because the kids not his anyways) (as much) as abstaining.

  45. #403625
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, StanW said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    As I said in the thread about Edwards, for all her mistakes and for being the mistress of a man with a sick wife, I am amazed this woman didn’t have an abortion. And, for that, she deserves credit.

    Sorry to be cynical here, EQ, but it is possible that she carried the child hoping for a huge payout. If Edwards truly is the father, he benefits from the abortion and she gets nothing.

    The choice not to abort may not have been a moral choice, but a monetary one.

  46. #403635
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    Rogue Cheddar said (#4):

    are you really that myopic?

    Yes, so I wear thick glasses to see more clearly. It’s a metaphor.

    Misscheryl said (#5):

    Abstenance reduces pregnancy

    True, but abstinenece only sex education does not produce abstinenece.

    abstractmind said (#11):

    as a parent, *I* want to be the final arbiter of how my children learn about the subject.

    OK. The downside is that more kids (hopefully not yours or mine) will get pregnant as a result.

    Remulak said (#13):

    giving out condoms in high school promotes sexual activity with the illusion that all will be fine.

    Agreed. But it also reduces pregancy.

    guitarplayer said (#35):

    Too Bad LGM’S mom didn’t believe in abortion.

    Woah! I don’t agree with LGM, but that was uncalled for. Let’s not go to that level.

    It’s OK. It’s always like that here. Those posters don’t realize that those ad-hominems make them look infantile and unimaginative (with less elitist nuance, stupid).

  47. #403637
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    If Edwards truly is the father, he benefits from the abortion and she gets nothing.

    I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. Only men benefit from abortion. (Ironic, no?)

    Perhaps it was motivated by money. But she didn’t end up in a clinic, so I guess I won’t be the cynic this time.

  48. #403644
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, garydt said:

    LGM are you myopic enough to tell us where these daily abortion clinics are happening. I just checked the news and they didn’t report any. I wish you would tell me the city and neighborhood of all of these bombings. This should be a simple matter for you to clear up.

  49. #403655
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, dgriggs06 said:

    lgm- please let me know what public school is teaching abstinence instead of handing out birth control and condoms – I want to send my kids there

  50. #403657
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    Misscheryl said (#5):

    Abstenance reduces pregnancy

    True, but abstinenece only sex education does not produce abstinenece.

    Your link didn’t site any data, lgm, just a lot of opinion. I’m sure that was just an oversight, right?

    But, that was a moving quote from Cecile Richars, huh?

    “Just saying no is not working,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood

    :roll:

  51. #403658
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, Barry F. said:

    site cite

  52. #403661
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, Al said:

    There are two parts to the fix for this. First of all, abstinance is an obvious solution. That would require a societal change. Everything these days is based upon sex, or sex appeal. Secondly, shame needs to re-enter the world. Shame, and public ridicule, were effective deterrents in the past. Let’s drop the PC, touchy-feely, “if you feel good about yourself” mentality.
    This post is neither pro or con on abortion, but about behavior and being accountable.
    Real life has losers, and winners. People are going to be disappointed. if you screw up you pay the consequences. Get over it. That’s life, and it ain’t fair. The denial of these “facts of life” has put our modern society in it’s current condition. Bring back Shame and a lot of scandals will go away. Right now, there is profit in scandal, so why should anyone change their behavior?

  53. #403664
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Famous Mo said:

    And isn’t lovely how liberals fight tooth and nail to keep murderers and rapists and child molesters off death row, yet have no qualms whatsoever about murdering an innocent child, just so little Suzy will be able to fit into her prom dress.

    I’ve got two kids. Neither were planned, and neither are a PUNISHMENT.

  54. #403667
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, abqalan said:

    as a parent, *I* want to be the final arbiter of how my children learn about the subject.

    OK. The downside is that more kids (hopefully not yours or mine) will get pregnant as a result.

    LGM, are you saying the schools know “better” than the parent? I think in the vast majority of the case, that just isn’t true. Liberal public school indoctrination is the problem, not the parents.

  55. #403668
    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, sambo said:

    lgm said:
    OK. The downside is that more kids (hopefully not yours or mine) will get pregnant as a result.

    please say it ain’t so ;)

  56. #403672
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    OK. The downside is that more kids (hopefully not yours or mine) will get pregnant as a result.

    LGM, are you saying the schools know “better” than the parent? I think in the vast majority of the case, that just isn’t true. Liberal public school indoctrination is the problem, not the parents.

    Yeah – pretty much sounds like he’s saying schools know better than parents.

  57. #403674
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, Jvette said:

    It seems to me that the very fact that Democrats feel the need to include some (albeit insincere) pro-life wording or ideas in their platform is encouraging.

    Fr. Pavone of Priests for Life has said that America needs to see abortion to reject abortion.

    For years conservatives have allowed pro-abortion forces to frame the argument in terms that are disingenuous to say the least. Through the unrelenting efforts of pro-lifers, this is all changing. Americans are hearing the truth about abortion, not just the horror perpetrated on the baby itself, but the damage done to women and society as well.

    This has been a long slow awakening, but just as in the case of the Holocaust, the pictures and survivors are informing the public of the truth and the righteousness of our fight. The war has not been won as of yet, but we are winning some battles and the tide is turning.

  58. #403690
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Yeah – pretty much sounds like he’s saying schools know better than parents.

    Well, he is a public educator. :roll:

  59. #403692
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, abstractmind said:

    lgm,

    abqalan put that just right.

    the argument you’re presenting could go either way. But having abstinence only education would be more effective…but…its not taught that way.

    Nor is the culture we live in one that is condusive to that idea. We live in a culture where sex sells.

    the downside would be only for parents not willing to educate their kids. And that to me makes all the difference. But, if you teach a child what is right and wrong EARLY in life…then they’ll stick with that when they’re older. Right?

    I think thats a bible verse *grin*

  60. #403698
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, Barry F. said:

    I think thats a bible verse *grin*

    Isn’t that in the New Abstractmind Version (NAV)? :lol:

  61. #403703
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, md1964 said:

    Abortion will never be rare, when there are “Windfall Profits” to be made in the baby killing industry.

    Hey, how about a “Wind Fall Profits Tax” on that industry???

  62. #403706
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, Misscheryl said:

    True, but abstinenece only sex education does not produce abstinenece.

    ABSTENANCE is the only sure way to reduce unwanted pregnancies and thereby abortions and STDS – 100% guaranteed to eliminate these “social” problems. “Sex education in schools issue” isn’t an issue in my house!

  63. #403707
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, Jvette said:

    I have two teenagers, a boy and a girl. The school they attend had the required sex education. The abstinence portion of the course was basically one line, “the only way to absolutely prevent pregnancy or contracting an STD is by not having sexual contact.” Yep, that was it. The rest of the course focused on contraception and safe sex.

    I am not opposed to sex education, but I approached it the same way I did every subject they’ve studied. I asked questions about what they were being taught and then discussed my own views with them.

    We can’t keep our kids out of the real world. The best we can do is be aware of what they are being exposed to and try to counterbalance it with our own values, morals and common sense.

    Various polls have shown that parents are a major factor in their kids worldview. The best thing we can give our kids is our time and honest answers to their questions.

  64. #403710
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm, abqalan said:

    I beleive too many foolish notions about sex education are put into our kids’ heads. Sure it’s gonna sound MUCH better and more “FUN” than what the old man has to say. Get it out of the schools, unless abstinance is emphasized, I say.

  65. #403711
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm, sambo said:

    md1964 said:
    Hey, how about a “Wind Fall Profits Tax” on that industry???

    \
    11.5 Percent for PP…higher than any of the oil companies. But wait, we give them our tax dollars too? How does that work?

  66. #403715
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, Papa Louie said:

    lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    If what you say is true, then Blue States should have a much lower teenage pregnancy and abortion rate than Red States. How about proving your point with statistics? You can’t, because we all know that the rates are higher in cities and states where Democrats are in control.

    Back in the old days when I went to public school, even Democrats had Republican values and we were taught personal responsibility. No one handed out condoms and abortion didn’t become legal until after I graduated. For some reason, the teen pregnancy rate was much, much lower than it is today. Why was that, lgm?

  67. #403736
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I want the world to see a film of a partial birth abortion. Put it on YOUTUBE. That will stop it.

  68. #403743
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, Digshot said:

    Pro-choice people don’t ‘promote abortion.’ That’s silly.

  69. #403746
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, Barry F. said:
    I think thats a bible verse *grin*
    Isn’t that in the New Abstractmind Version (NAV)?

    MWUAHAHAHAHA
    it is indeed ;)

    Maybe the good book is due for a revision, Abstract style ;)

    And yes, i know the real verse and location :P

  70. #403750
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, usa_usa said:

    Life begins at arousal, abstinence is murder

  71. #403757
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pm, uhangtight said:

    parenting is the key operative word. my children went to public school, they were given ’sex education’. yet, many of my daughter’s friends have had multiple abortions and STD’s, etc., before they were 19. My daughter was given parenting by me that has culminated in her not having a child or STD’s and making ‘right’ choices about her life she will be 21 soon. Abstinence was taught along with the school cramming down the sex education so touted by lgm, childless twerp that he is.

    Abstinence prevents a lot of diseases, un-wanted pregnancies. Like it or not lgm thems the facts.

  72. #403770
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, Jipc said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, lgm said:
    Sex education reduces teenage pregnancy and abortion. Giving out condoms in high school reduces pregnancy and STDs. Republican opposition to these things has increased abortion and STDs.

    LGM: You really are a moron! Most boys AND men don’t like to use condoms because of the loss of pleasure, so how would handing them out in high school serve any purpose other than to have “balloons” flying all over the lunch room.

    I am a republican that is pro-choice and I’m not ashamed to admit it! However, when I was suprised by my third pregnancy and knew that it would be a hardship on our military-paid family, it took a LOT of soul-searching to realize what my “choice” would be and today she’s a beautiful 19-year-old.

  73. #403775
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, lgm said:

    Papa Louie said (#66):

    If what you say is true, then Blue States should have a much lower teenage pregnancy and abortion rate than Red States.

    They do, somewhat. The highest states are Nevada, Arizona, Missisippi, New Mexico, Texas. (It’s a pdf document that’s easy to google, but I can’t link to it).

  74. #403781
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, abqalan said:

    Well said, Whangtight. I have six wonderful grandchildren, all from good, tight marriages. I really believe that’s because of what my wife and I taught our kids inspite of the LGMs in the public school system.

  75. #403783
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, YTZGal said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I want the world to see a film of a partial birth abortion. Put it on YOUTUBE. That will stop it.

    Here, Here. And every member of Congress and state legislature should be compelled to watch it. ALL of it.

  76. #403788
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, abqalan said:
    Well said, Whangtight.

    ROFL…not poking fun as much as thats funny, given the thread ;)

  77. #403796
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, YTZGal said:

    UHangTight:
    My kids all self-elected to opt out of the public school provided “sex ed” classes, relying instead upon parental ed.

    As a science/bio major, I made sure I covered the basics/facts, but also followed that up with a serious discussion about the role of sex as an expression of intimacy in a serious, committed relationship, and the consequences of not choosing abstinence.

    Sex is not a recreational “feel good” sport on an equivalency with tennis or basketball, but the message most kids walk away from with the public school “sex ed” classes is exactly that…and the condom giveaways reinforce the notion of sex solely as a recreational past-time.

  78. #403800
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, abqalan said:

    I live in Albuquerque, LGM. New Mexico was just barely a Red State in ‘04. The public school system here is a cesspool. Red State status has NOTHING to do with the problem here.

  79. #403807
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, abqalan said:

    Abstractmind, I’m blushing!!! Got me!!

  80. #403809
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, lgm said:

    (It’s a pdf document that’s easy to google, but I can’t link to it).

    You “can’t link to it?” :shock:

  81. #403824
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, Marauder said:

    You know what I always thought was really dumb about handing out free condoms in schools? The fact that apparently people think teenagers can be responsible enough to take a condom and use it correctly, but not responsible enough to get a small amount of money together, go to the drug store or Wal-Mart, and buy their own condoms. Once it gets to the college level it’s even stupider. If college students are responsible enough to be allowed to vote, why aren’t they responsible enough to buy condoms?

  82. #403826
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Not a single one cost a tax payer a single cent.

    Soap, that’s the reason the socialists want these things. They need them to cost money. Condoms cost money. Sex education costs money. Abortions cost money. All paid for by the class warfare income tax the socialists love. Lgm probably has an orgasm every time the taxes go up. And if you don’t support the liberal spending then “you don’t care” and are villified as someone that “hates.”

    As if the socialists care. They have no comprehension that all government programs that claim to help one group inevitibly harm another.

    Class warfare – it’s what socialism is all about!

  83. #403840
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I want the world to see a film of a partial birth abortion. Put it on YOUTUBE. That will stop it.

    Go to Priests for Life. They have video of abortion procedures and images of abortion.

    America will not abolish abortion until they see what abortion really is.

  84. #403848
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, Jvette said:

    #

    #
    #68
    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, Digshot said:

    Pro-choice people don’t ‘promote abortion.’ That’s silly.

    Wrong, to them abortion is the only choice.

    Go to any school and offer them free pamphlets for pro-life crisis pregnancy centers and they will not take or display them. Yet, there are referrals for Planned Parenthood and even links to their website on several school library youth pages. Google, school library links to planned parenthood, and you will find several pages of stories about this fact.

    The truth is that “pro-choicers” support only one choice and that is abortion. They do not donate money to organizations that promote life. Pro-life organizations are dependent on private funds and must scrape to get by day to day, while Planned Parenthood gets more that $300 million in tax payer funds. In addition, women’s groups, that specifically exist to “protect the right to abortion”, extort funds from major corporations for their own groups and Planned Parenthood through fiscal blackmail.

    This is the type of obfuscation we must combat with truth.

  85. #403866
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Abortion films should be required in sex ed classes.

  86. #403873
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, abqalan said:
    Abstractmind, I’m blushing!!! Got me!!

    A popular phrase from the ladies for me ;)

  87. #403874
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    My kids all self-elected to opt out of the public school provided “sex ed” classes, relying instead upon parental ed.

    YTZGal, that sounds good. CA has opt out measures too, but they don’t always work. Parents in Novato had opt out forms as well but the gay activists demanded an audience and claimed their civil rights would be violated if their demands were not met. Never mind the rights of the parents of the 7 year olds that were exposed to this.

    Watch out, YTZGal. Homosexual indoctrination is coming to a school near you.

  88. #403881
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, abqalan said:

    Abstractmind, I’m blushing!!! Got me!!

    A popular phrase from the ladies for me

    Wait! I need to pick my feet up, so I don’t get anything on my shoes from that! ;-)

  89. #403904
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, abstractmind said:

    hahaha Barry ;)

    might want to get a pair of highwater boots too while you’re at it ;)

  90. #403918
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, Jvette said:

    I was always dismayed by the statistics cited by liberals which said that red conservative states had the highest incidence of divorce, out of wedlock pregnancy and abortion. Then a couple of weeks ago I checked a book out of the library titled “Makers and Takers” by Peter Schweizer.

    He completely debunks these statistics showing that it is the blue counties within those states that are high in these areas. I don’t have the book anymore or I could give you his sources.

    Nevada, where I live, does have a high rate of abortions. What one must keep in mind though is that the population of Nevada is fairly small and concentrated in two cities, Reno and Las Vegas. Reno and the rural areas are mostly conservative, thus the numbers there are low. Las Vegas is liberal and the numbers are higher. I would add also, that I am a side walk prayer at two different clinics. Quite a few of the cars in the parking lot have out of state plates, this adds to the per capita figures as well.

  91. #403928
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Wrong, to them abortion is the only choice.

    That’s exactly right. You needn’t look any further than this editorial, “On Abortion, Hollywood is No-Choice.”

    IN the hit indie movie “Waitress,” the lead character, Jenna, finds out she’s pregnant at a time when she’s plotting to run away from her abusive husband. In last week’s No. 2 film, “Knocked Up,” Alison becomes pregnant after a one-night stand with Ben, an ungainly suitor.

    In some ways, both movies mirror reality. The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy says unwanted pregnancies have actually increased among some adult women, even as they have decreased among teenage girls. More than half of all unwanted pregnancies occur to women in their 20s.

    But in another way, both movies go out of their way to sidestep real life. Nearly two-thirds of unwanted pregnancies end in abortion, data from federal surveys shows. Yet Jenna in “Waitress” is more likely to ponder selling the baby than to consider having the procedure. And Alison, who has just been promoted to her dream job as an on-camera television personality and asked to lose 20 pounds, is torn over whether to keep the man, not the baby.

    The possibility of not having the baby is never discussed by either woman despite her circumstances. The word “abortion” is never uttered.

    That last paragraph is a line. In “Knocked Up,” the main character’s own mother tells her to have an abortion, then chides the main character by saying her sister had one and “now she has a real baby.”

    They even went after the film “Juno” (which is really good, by the way) because the character didn’t have an abortion.

    So it’s never, ever about applauding women when they choose not to have an abortion, but only condemnation and lamenting the fact abortion isn’t in more films. You know why? It’s not a happy topic, and it’s never as simple as Hollywood would make it.

    Just as a sample, look at some of the songs about abortion. They’re all real catchy, danceable tunes, no?

  92. #403931
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    …when I was suprised by my third pregnancy and knew that it would be a hardship on our military-paid family, it took a LOT of soul-searching to realize what my “choice” would be and today she’s a beautiful 19-year-old.

    sarc
    Jipc, you just don’t understand how liberals define the word choice. To them it means “get an abortion.” You didn’t choose; you were a hateful conservative that should have exercised her right to kill.
    /sarc

    Jipc, God bless you! And I hope that lovely daughter or yours makes the same choice as you when she gets her opportunity. Make sure you tell her about it and let her know you have her full and complete support to choose life. Even in the face of liberal lies.

  93. #403933
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, abqalan said:

    Youse a funny guy, abstract! Glad I was able to register yesterday and glad to meet ya!

  94. #403960
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    You didn’t choose; you were a hateful conservative that should have exercised her right to kill.

    No. To liberals, women who choose not to have an abortion are brainwashed and oppressed by pro-lifers.

  95. #403967
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, corkie said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    True, but abstinenece only sex education does not produce abstinenece.

    lgm, as someone pointed out, your link provides no support of your claim.

    Was your objective to provide a link and hope that most people will assume that evidence exists without navigating to your silly link?

    Or do you actually accept opinion as fact when it fits your views?

    I’m honestly curious.

  96. #403970
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:39 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Or do you actually accept opinion as fact when it fits your views?

    I find with abortion, those who support it take anything – especially opinion – if it meets with their agenda.

    Anything else, even cold hard fact, is either ignored or downplayed.

  97. #403971
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:39 pm, StanW said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    No. To liberals, women who choose not to have an abortion are brainwashed and oppressed by pro-lifers.

    Liberals are all Pro-Choice…

    …unless you CHOOSE to have the baby.
    …unless you CHOOSE to own a gun.
    …unless you CHOOSE to home-school your child.
    …unless you CHOOSE to practice your religion.
    …unless you CHOOSE to want to keep the money you earn.
    …unless you CHOOSE to live within your means.

    The list could go on. Bottom Line… Liberals are Pro-Choice, so long as you choose as they would.

  98. #403984
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, Famous Mo said:

    “Choice” is Newspeak gibberish. “Choice” means that these people are okay with someone CHOOSING to murder a baby.

    I know of many “pro-choice” twits who will loudly claim that they are against abortion, but support the “right to choose.” Horse-puckey.

    They are condoning, supporting, and in many cases ADVISING women to kill their babies. And they dare claim some moral superiority??

    Killing babies is WRONG. Even viewing it as a choice is wrong.

    Frankly, every abortion doctor, every member of NARAL, everyone who supports this horrific “choice,” and every parent who refused to teach their child to keep their trousers hitched should be tried as accessories to murder.

  99. #403985
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, abstractmind said:

    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, abqalan said:
    Youse a funny guy, abstract! Glad I was able to register yesterday and glad to meet ya!

    and you’ll find i’m modest too! ;)

    Likewise, glad to have you aboard!

  100. #404006
    On August 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, Misscheryl said:

    A liberal here at work has been trying to have a discussion with me since Russia invaded Georgia, because he equates it with us in Iraq. (Bait and hook you know – liberals are good at it.) I told him I didn’t want to discuss, converse or communicate in any form or fashion re: his liberal jibberish and lies. Then he wanted to educate me about a “seminar” he had just attended – and I said I don’t want to hear about how to be the best pig in the pigpen as taught by people who discuss politically correct, psyco babble. I frustrated him – liberals are going to take over he said…famous last words.

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