Video: Democrat calls pastor’s testimony b***s***
Ready for your morning chuckle? A California Democrat lawmaker listened to the global warming testimony of a black pastor and couldn’t take it anymore. After a few minutes of meandering talk by Rev. Robert Jones about how politicians needed to invite minority representatives to speak about how global warming was “impacting” their communities (”Our communities are the ones who suffer more than any other communities – the poor and the underrepresented …It is important to have our perspective”), Democrat Sen. Pat Wiggins, interjected: “Excuse me, but I think your arguments are bullshit.” She didn’t get to explain how or why, though, because the hearing chairman cut in.
It’s rare that elected officials are as unapologetically blunt as Wiggins was after being subjected to entitlement-driven drivel and claptrap. She gets a half-point for daring to be politically incorrect with a core Democrat constituent. But that’s far offset by her out-of-bounds rudeness (Jones was invited to speak) and failure to defend her assertion. Unfortunately for Jones, he didn’t have a snappy rejoinder. An opportunity missed all around.
File it away, though, as another piece of ammunition the next time your lib friends complain about GOP incivility. (Hat tip - The Ugly American at Sondra K’s.)
The Sac Bee has more on the aftermath:
The Rev. Robert Jones went to the Capitol last Wednesday hoping to make his voice heard.
What he got instead was a swear-word laden rebuke from Democratic Sen. Pat Wiggins, who interrupted Jones’ testimony to say: “Excuse me, but I think your arguments are bull—-.”
The exchange left Jones, the senior pastor at Oak Park United Methodist Church, stunned and offended. “It is a slap in the face,” he said in an interview.
The outburst occurred as Jones, 46, testified at an informational hearing on how California will cut global warming emissions. Jones, who is African American, said he went to urge lawmakers to consider minority communities when drafting those regulations.
“Our communities are the ones who suffer more than any other communities – the poor and the underrepresented …,” Jones said. “It is important to have our perspective.”
But after less than two minutes of speaking – and before he could finish – Wiggins blurted out her comment.
A stunned Jones turned to Wiggins and could muster only a “well …” before Sen. Christine Kehoe, a San Diego Democrat and the chairwoman of the hearing, interjected.
“Let me step in here, Pastor Jones, we very much appreciate your presence here today, and you’re right. The community should be part of the discussion and it is,” Kehoe said.
…”There’s a way to disagree without being disrespectful,” Jones said. “As a public servant, particularly a lawmaker, there is a standard of ethics that they should be held to.”
Agreed.
However…
I wonder if we’ll see protests and boycotts and condemnations like we would see in a heartbeat if Wiggins were a Republican.
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Oh Bull.People of the Community==more money for the pastor?
Bull, hey Deomocrats getting Democrats is a good thing.
I don’t agree.
I think we have an overabundance of civility in some cases.
People need to hear the truth, and someone who has the stones to step up and say something like this directly may lack some decorum…but its the truth.
and truth is something sorely lacking in politics.
Dont knock it when someone fires off like this…well, ok, maybe a little. but i’d cut some slack on this one.
I agree that the truth needs to be said. There are way too many hearings and meetings and round table discussions that waste everyone’s time and I’m kind of glad some politicians feel that way too. But there is never a place for rudeness. Especially to the poor guy who looked nervous to be up there.
“Merda taurorum animas conturbit”
This is not the Pat Wiggins I used to know
While I agree with the rudeness part of your argument, all I could think of was how rude democrat senators are when they call people up to the hill (i.e. Oliver North, Clarence Thomas, etc..). Best I can tell it is always the democrats that are being rude.
It is about time a Democrat stood up to a Leftist preacher because only Democrats can call these charlatans out. Democrats need someone to do a Nixon going to China in reverse because Republicans cannot debunk Leftist hogwash without being falsely labeled racist or worse.
Can someone explain why Black preachers spend an inordinate amount of time pushing economic and environmental Marxism? What does that have to do with Jesus? African Americans need to realize many of their ministers have a political rather than a Heavenly agenda.
Good lord. Gorebal Warming is now prejudice? Just when you thought the left could not lower the bar any further, sanity has been sucked into a black hole of stupidity. There are now people being invited to speak on how GW can be a cash cow to suck funds into impoverished areas.
Here is an idea Pastor. Fight the gangs and drug dealers in your community. Get your people off of their lazy asses and turn your community around instead of heading up to DC to try and get more money to line your pockets.
These people make me ill.
/rant off
“Our communities are the ones who suffer more than any other communities – the poor and the underrepresented …,” Jones said. “It is important to have our perspective.”
After 1:51 minutes of the Rev.’s rambling I’d like to have called B.S. myself. It’s amazing how some people can talk and talk and never say a damned thing.
Of course being a white, conservative man I would have been immediately branded a racist and tarred and feathered by all present.
If it sounds like - bullshit, looks like - bullshit, and smells like - bullshit, then give 10-1 odds and start betting that it is bullshit!
Uh oh. I think Al Gore forgot his clothes and someone noticed.
Why would anyone interrupt to declare a line of argument as bullshit? Maybe because the house of cards that is Global Warming is starting to fray.
Or could it be because the so-called
‘poor and underserved communities’ are so well homogenized with the rest of us as to be all communities?
Soap, I agree with your sentiments to a degree. as for the “Get your people off of their lazy asses and turn your community around”, well, I just don’t believe that a preacher/pastor/whatever will make any progress when he has to work against the democrat party who is keeping minorities enslaved with the entitlements they receive. Parenting or lack thereof is the problem in the urban areas and I don’t believe there are too many pastors who will tell their congregation they are bad parents.
mojoe…
You can’t say “tarred and feathered”. That’s racist, you racist!
WOW, I like this democrat.
looking for flying pigs…
Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat
paul, that put me in a black mood, damn it…
Yes soap it is and so was Katrina, someone needs to put a stop to prejudicial weather.
The fact that everything and I mean everything in this country is brought to be some sort of racial issue is BS, Gorewhore Warming is a farce, and to even entertain the idea that it has some sort of racial impact is and I say it again BS.
I don’t think I could be in politics, I would get in trouble darn near every time I opened my mouth on some of these issues for the fact that I am very blunt with my opinions, my wife say’s that I am cold hearted and blunt with some people, I ask her why? because I speak the truth?
Just exactly how are the residents of this preacher’s community “under represented” … didn’t the Dems properly gerrymander his district to ensure they elected Dems to the state government? … Don;t the people in that district vote? …
Just more of the liberal victimization tripe …
Although Sen. Pat Wiggins choice of a term describing what she was hearing may have been deemed improper and unfortunate, the fact that it accurately referenced what was being said is thoroughly indisputable …
As a tie in about liberals being nice to people, thought this was worth a read.
Charles over at LFG (and i read there regularly too, but dont post often) has a story there about a Kos blogger going on a rant.
I don’t think there’s a troll here who could defend this.
Free speech. Sure. But this definitively falls into the unhinged catagory.
So to tie in…this person calling BS on his own is nothing compared to what they say about us.
Thanks for the morning chuckle.
Comedy gold
I look at this, and wonder, with the lack of CIVILITY I have seen lately in the CONGRESS, when will the REPUBLICANS get the COJONES to say BULL SHIT to our DEM friends in the HOUSE and SENATE??? It is sorely needed…
Soap, dont you see? Those things are made worse by global warming. Only a massive infusion of cash will return them to normal levels.
Some people just don’t get it.
What is interesting is that the Rev. said so many words that when put together mean nothing. What he said could have been summarized in two sentences.
Imagine if a WHITE REPUBLICAN had said to a black minister “Your arguments are Bullshit”.
It would be front page news and the Republican would have to resign in shame.
Already done courtesy of Pat Wiggins …
Psst!! What Rev Jones said and believes about global warming?… It IS BS…. this didn’t bother me at all. Any time someone uses a hearing , of which there are way too many, for a silly opinion such as Rev Jones deserves to be told what his presentation is….
All point I would have made. I had to stop or have a coronary. This is PURE Bullsh_t! If the Pastors of that poor community had the balls to stand up to the real issues of their communities, they could make some progress.
Know what I did when thugs started breaking into homes in my community? I call the police and set up surveillance systems. It is called getting involved and being a good neighbor.
I wish I could sit back and pound down some Colt 45’s and blame Bush and GoreBull Warning. Life would be easier (and cheaper) to pack my head up my arse and ignore everything while living on the gooberment teat.
No salt on my food today. GRRRRRRRRR
All this reminds me of when Jessica Lange testified about agricultual policy: She was an agricultual expert because she played a farmer’s wife in a made for TV movie. Keystone Cops without the car chase.
More bull, or when the ship hits the sand. Could global warming be driving up the cost of crack? Is that what the pastor was worried about? I think he has been licking the Food Stamps.
in the trailing seconds of the vid..
” … we’ve had representation of the black chamber, the hispanic chamber, the…” (video ends)
doubt the white chamber had representation..
Actually, I think Rev Jones was bringing up a valid point, albeit in a roundabout way, and I think Sen Wiggins reacted the way she did b/c it’s a point that global warming liberals don’t want to hear. I think he was trying to point out that policies to combat global warming invariably have an impact on low-income communities. It’s all well and good for entitled lefties to feel good about themselves by buying local, but if its more expensive to buy local, its not easy for those in low-income communities to do it. Combatting global warming takes a back seat to survival. I think thats what the Democratic establishment doesn’t want to hear.
This was an excercise in cowardice on the part of the congresswoman. I highly doubt that she would have opened her mouth to Al Gore or someother big wig in such a way. I’d personally like to see it as a change of pace but, I doubt it would happen.
Now concerning this minister, I think he has a right to his opinion just like anyone else. I think the congresswoman expressed her opinion, its interesting however to read the responses here because it seems that some are under the impression that black ministers can be reduced to the lowest common denominator. In other words because this gentleman has an opinion that is different from the opinions expressed here he must be a supporter of entitlements or a coddler of welfare kings or queens. Do we know anything about this minister beyond what is presented here? Are we certain that he has never or isn’t lecturing his congregation on self-help, community imporovement?
It would seem that when it comes to conservative commentary on the Black community everything is a zero sum game. All black people are like this or all black ministers are like that. I find it very odd.
Right on, Soap!
Sweet jeebus, they actually mentioned the Senator’s party?! I guess insulting minorities is the MSM’s shill limit.
Pastor Jones might be a bit more credible if he bought his suits at Wal-Mart with the rest of the folks he says he represents. And that didn’t exactly look like a Timex on his wrist.
Kudos to Senator Wiggens for having the sense and the guts to tell the Emperor to put some clothes on!
“Kudos to Senator Wiggens for having the sense and the guts to tell the Emperor to put some clothes on”!
This pastor that no one has ever heard of is the emperor? Wow.
She just said what everyone was thinking.
No, that assessment is wrong. When it comes to complaining about your community while you do nothing, I (as a Christian) throw down the bullchips card and make no apologies for it. Remember “don’t complain about the farmer with your mouth full”?
I think what you have is people, who do something about their situation, tell these finger pointers, who love to complain and do nothing, “crap or get off the pot”.
During the duel hurricane slamming we received in Southeast Florida, we pulled together and worked together for each other. Our Pastor lost his roof and his insurance didn’t cover it. He did not whine to the gooberment. Ten of us got together and put a roof on his house. We put tarps on roofs between hurricanes. We boarded up houses for people who had no means. It was a great thing. I personally gave away 40 gallons of gas and my groceries to a couple in a sailboat who were ravaged by the first storm and had nothing. That is what “community” does.
Then, there were the other people who waited at the hand-out centers for their freebies. They were standing in line bitching. I walk over to a lady who was crying, who lost everything (and was not complaining) and gave her a check for $500.
Am I bragging? No. This is what someone like me does and I get totally pissed at someone who wants handouts and sinks as low as bringing in GoreBull Warning as an issue.
Got over yourself. Get over being black. Get over the idea that the gooberment owes you or needs to bail you out. And, if you think that racist, click on my moniker and get back to me.
A couple of things to note.
“No, that assessment is wrong. When it comes to complaining about your community while you do nothing, I (as a Christian) throw down the bullchips card and make no apologies for it. Remember “don’t complain about the farmer with your mouth full”
I don’t assume to know fully about any community so I can’t say what someone is or is not doing. As I stated before how are you so sure that this minister is only interested in complaining? Do we know that he is not lecturing on self-help and self improvement? I think one can complain, criticize and at the same time practice self-help. These things are not mutually exclusive. You seem to know alot about this individual, and indeed you may but I doubt it.
“Got over yourself. Get over being black. Get over the idea that the gooberment owes you or needs to bail you out. And, if you think that racist, click on my moniker and get back to me”.
Despite your claims I don’t think black people have the market cornered on government entitlement. Though given your broad claims about the whole community I don’t think I’ll retract any of my statement about conservative commentary and black people.
Nor do I think black people have to get over being black. Most black people I know think its alright being black.
Oh and I won’t bother calling your racist because who cares if you are. Oh and claiming to do something for Hatians is not as impressive as you think.
I don’t know you so you could make up any narrative about yourself that suits you. I was of course brought up to do good deeds and not seek recognition for them as that is the Christian thing to do.
First off, go Soap!
I couldn’t have said it better.
Yup,
Fair enough. Like you said, opinions. To be fair, the idea he is there linking GW to his community problems and how his community suffers more is ON ITS FACE enough to call him out. No, the black community is not all bad and not all black Pastors are like this guy.
I live in a racially diverse area and you do not find this going on in the Hispanic community, the Haitian community, the white community. ALL of the impoverished areas in our community are black - that is a simple fact. Guess who does the most complaining?
I will give you all of your complaints towards my post. That being said, I will call out ANYBODY that complains about their situation and turns and blames GoreBull Warning, Katrina, the sky is falling, I need a converter for my big arse TV, I can’t afford gas for my Escalade…
You are right, I do not know this Pastor. Do I have to know Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to know their game? PLEASE. This Pastor has a new angle and it is laughable at best and BS on its face. Hey, A Dem outed him. How bad is that and how much more proof do YOU require?
Like I said, crap or get off the pot. Don’t tell me going to give testimony about your community (black in this case) that is suffering from GW is not motivated by greed or wanting something for nothing. If your community is suffering – fix it and there will be NO need to blame anybody – PERIOD.
Remember the black hole incident? The USA is supposed to pay reparations (another black Pastor) to which community? Goodness.
I know, just pointing this all out makes me racist. I am good with that.
“I know, just pointing this all out makes me racist. I am good with that”.
This is at least the second time you have made this point despite the fact that I haven’t called you a racist at all.
I don’t summarilly disagree with the points that you have made. For sure I agree that there are those in the black community (and elsewhere mind you) that are complaining and not practicing self help. There is a problem with that formula. I however note that this is something that is changing. In the last few years I’ve heard more and more voices preaching self-help and personal responsibility. At one point it was the likes of Bill Cosby etc who brought this message, slowly but surely however the message has made its way to the grass roots level. This is good. Mind you my objection to conservative commentary is about over generalizing. Most of those who need the message of self help in the black community are on the lower end of the economic ladder, yet there is a growing black middle class that is actively involved in the idea of self improvement without government assistance. These people definetly don’t need a pat on the back but why paint a monolithic picture of an entire community.
“You are right, I do not know this Pastor. Do I have to know Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to know their game? PLEASE. This Pastor has a new angle and it is laughable at best and BS on its face”.
I don’t know if this statement actually makes your point. We all know and even those in the black community know Al and Jesse like the spotlight. We all know what is likely to come out of their mouths. Not that they aren’t right at times (even a blind man will hit the target once given enough amunition) but they are fairly predictable. As for this minister he is parroting the standard line concerning GW. I doubt that this however is representative of the totality of him. We don’t know him so aligning him with Al and Jesse gives credit where credit is not due.
As for the reparations thing you threw in. Many in the black community disagree with the idea of reparations as the effect may take the fire out of the community. Think of this argument as synonomous with what some people say will be the effect of a Barack Obama presidency will do to race relations. Some have argued that Obama will end all racial issues that America has. Both arguments have those who strongly disagree but they are still out there as lines of thought.
Bingo. I haven’t seen a transcript, but I would guess that this is the argument that made Wiggins so upset.
Don’t the advocates of cutting back on our energy use to reduce global warming realize everyone in the US could die and it wouldn’t affect global warming in the least? China and India will more than take up the slack.
I can’t believe how rude she was. We should listen in awe to the wise words of all liberals and give them whatever they want.
So, she’s a Democrat. That was still the most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard. I’m all for civility, but not at the expense of truth. If all our politicians were that “rude” it would solve many of America’s problems.
democrats are finally getting sick of themselves
fixed
I think many of you here are missing the point of Rev. Jones’ testimony.
To clarify…
In other words, he’s concerned about California’s go-green lunacy and if effects on those who can least afford it. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Sen. Wiggins didn’t like his comments because they challenge the teachings of The Goreacle.
I believe you are missing the point - all of us will be effected by higher utilities and none of us should have to pay for for this farce.
check this out:
http://sobotkaproductions.com/blog/2008/08/13/dnc-leader-us-owes-blacks-for-slavery/
True…..but Rev. Jones is hardly the “leftist preacher” that he’s being portayed as.
I’m merely asking everyone to take a step or two back and examine all the facts before slapping him with any labels.
From what little I’ve gathered about Rev. Jones, he appears to be a decent leader of his community church.
“True…..but Rev. Jones is hardly the “leftist preacher” that he’s being portayed as”
There are those who are invested in the idea of a black democrat communtariat that wishes to deprive all life on earth of its well being.
It doesn’t occur to these people that these people who happen to be black are simply offering an opinion that defitnetly can be disputed. What we see is blacks opining on policies that may be disagreeable in conservative circles and these opinions get automatically dovetailed with hot button issues like reparations. You see it played out on this board in fact. Merely look at what MissCheryl has dug up for us. Blacks have an opinion about global warming and thus that means they want reparations.
Oh and its clear that this minister is against all the GW lunacy.
Oh and before anyone says they are being called racist, NO YOUR NOT BEING CALLED A RACIST!
Congrats to Pat Wiggens, even if she is a Dem.
I’d love to see someone challenge this kind of nonsense with the words “You are either ignorant, misinformed or a LIAR!!”
Yeah, good ol’ Pat Wiggins — she’s so deserving of our praise
I still love this video.