McCain floats a pro-choice VP trial balloon
The McCain camp is dipping its maaaverick toe into the water, testing to see how the conservative base will react to the possibility (probability?) of a pro-abortion vice presidential pick. Pro-open borders. Pro-global warming hysteria. Might as well go for the trifecta.
They want to know what you think. So, go ahead and let them know what you think.
Don’t hold back:
John McCain’s admission to the Weekly Standard’s Steve Hayes (”Shayes” to friends) that he would consider the possibility of choosing a pro-choice running mate is rightly seen as a trial balloon to gauge reaction among conservative base voters to such a move.
“I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party,” McCain told Hayes. “And I also feel that — and I’m not trying to equivocate here — that Americans want us to work together. You know, [former Pennsylvania Governor] Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don’t think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out.”
Later he added: “I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a — albeit strong — but just it’s a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that. Far more so than [New York City Mayor Michael] Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, pro, you know, a number of other issues.”
“I’m not trying to equivocate here.”
Uh-huh.
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Sorry,
I did that one from memory and was rushing. I should’ve listed the name as Misscheryl.
I apologize for my error.
If he holds true to his current path, how can anybody believe McCain will appoint conservatives? Is this based on Obama appointing pure liberals?
I think McCain will be just as big a disappointment in this area as well.
I will put $5 on that belief as well. Any takers? I didn’t think so.
Michelle said:
I hope McCain aborts this idea.
He’ll have to go stand on Ronald Reagan’s grave site, because most of those principles left the office never to return, & died when he did..
~Dan Lee
The Catholic, pro-life, Democrat Casey will be speaking at the Dems convention this time. If McCain picks a pro-choice wobbly kneed VP the Catholics will see no difference between the parties. Typical McCain move to maintain little difference between himself and Obambi.
We are all are worrying about nothing! McAmnesty is making sure that the USA is going to be all Mexican in a short time,and the Mexicans are doing a REAL good job of avoiding birth control or abortion!
McAmnesty is helping you all and you don’t even appreciate it!
Scary vote coming up, that’s for sure. I sure hope we can survive to vote in a John Bolton/Mike Pence ticket in 2012
Yup. He’d better realize that the base will only tolerate him so much before they say to hell with him.
I already know he would love to pick Bloomberg, Lieberman, or Tom Ridge-but none of these candidates are going to help him with his credibility-all 3 are anti-gun and pro-abortion. He should pick Cantor of Virginia, and his poll numbers would soar overnight.
The sad thing is, a true conservative R candidate could be whomping the bat snot out of the inept amateur D. How pathetic this election is.
NJ-Aviator #98, thanks.
Soap said:
Roger that. However, (and I know I’m starting to sound like wise_man here) I still can’t stomach the alternative…
Fellow conservatives- this is what McCain really thinks about you. He holds the future of the GOP in his hands. He hates you.
Stop McCain at the convention.
A vote for McCain in November is a vote for a permanent RINO party. We can survive Obama. We cannot survive McCain.
Unfortunately, yes it is. It is strictly a lesser-of-two-evils stance. I believe that, even though you’re right that McCain will be a disappointment, Obama will be an unequivocal disaster. Personal opinion, of course, and I could be wrong, but otherwise I’m afraid it’s just freakin hopeless.
I say we cure this all in one shot.
Stache for Prez 08.
Which makes one go WTF??? We all know it but the idiot rep’s (IR’s) just can’t figure it out.
IR’s: 1+1=3
Base: no, 2
IR’s: we really, really want you to believe it is 3
Base: It’s 2
IR’s: just play along, PRETTY PLEASE.
Base: 2
IR’s: well, we are going with 3 so, piss off
Bingo, Soap.
Dito, Soap
and they think we’re the idiots!!
When we get to a point where we get everyone to correct these problems, then we will be at a point when abortion should be against the law.
(Again, I don’t agree with abortion, my wife and I would never have one. I do feel it is taking a human life.)
Lets just say that Abortion becomes illegal and no one is allowed to get one starting tomorrow… Birthrates goes way up. All of those people who are not fully prepared for parent-hood either finactially, emotionally, or mentally are going to look to the government for assistance. Welcome in Socialism real quick.
I would like to outlaw abortion, just not before we solve the other problems that cause people to have/need abortions. It is a chicken and egg thing.
I feel this way about many of my conservative values and feel that we as conservaties are destroying ourselves by some of the things we support/don’t support.
Example: Many conservates are church goers… I go to a Catholic church. (Which makes my views on abortion even more unique.) Many conservatives, myself included, would like to secure the border and get illegal immegration under control. But, I (was) donating to a church that ACTIVLEY gives monetary and legal support to illegals. That ACTIVLEY is recruiting illegals.
I don’t mean to side-track this tread. Just trying to make the point that I don’t feel we should take a hard stance on weather McCain picks a pro-choice VP. If that is what he needs to win the election, then I am all for it.
ANYTHING is better than Obama! And a vote for ANYONE other than McCain is a vote for Obama.
On what planet is Tom Ridge a great leader?
Catholic and Evangelical that is.
Yeah, like getting an education a damn job and off welfare. My taxes always seem to cover the burdens of the stupid.
If it is so “fundamental”, how do you just set it aside?
I agree with you… BUT, I don’t think an early term abortion is quite as black and white as your examples above.
It absolutely seems like he has no need for our votes. He is more interested in every other focus group but his “own.” Horrible, horrible choice for us this year, social cons. And just when I was warming up…
Funny. That’s also Obama’s position.
tomk59
ANYTHING is better than Obama! And a vote for ANYONE other than McCain is a vote for
ObamaANYONE.Okay. I clicked over to the link for McCain’s blog. But, I couldn’t make myself stay there to search through posts to find the more appropriate one on which to leave my comment.
30, do you have a link to the one you used? It was too nauseating for me to stay there too long. *sigh*
That’s what McCain followers have been telling us for months.
Abortion is evil, plain and simple. It is simply one of those things that can’t be whitewashed, no matter how hard one tries. At its core is the killing of human life.
Killing a baby is OK as long it’s still really young?
While equivocating, Senator McDoofus, think about this:
“There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.” – Ayn Rand
I went to the contact us area, left a comment in the question box. Hope it helps.
Glad to hear someone else say it, and you too fourstring.
I said that a few months ago, and i was told i was throwing my vote away.
McCain isnt making himself appealing to those of us who are undecided about him. I certaintly wont vote oblahma…but pulling the lever for McCain is getting harder these days.
Me, too. That’s where I noticed that “contact us” means “ask us questions, we’ll give you our answers” as opposed to “what would you like us to know about YOUR concerns?”
Agreed.
But until we as a society come up with a way to get people to stop having unprotected sex, it is a nessesary evil.
Better parenting? Better education? I am all for a solution.
I am doing my part with my kids… Bringing them up in a loving home, sending them to catholic school, teaching them morals and responsibility…
Visted the website for the first time and left this message.
“As a die-hard conservative, I am backing John McCain because I can not stomach Obama. But, today I hear that Mr. McCain is considering a VP candidate that is pro-abortion. I WILL NOT vote for a pro-abortion candidate or a candidate that has a pro-abortion running mate. I will stay home and watch the US go to hell. I am already disappointed that Mr. McCain does not have enough strenth of character to back a federal postition on abortion. Leaving it up to the states takes away a child’s Constitutional right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Mr. McCain, Please do not turn your back on the Conservative party and choose someone that will force us to stay at home. We can be Mavericks too.”
Now that I re-read it though, it should have said that I will leave the presedential vote blank, because I will definitely be making to the polls to vote for Mitch.
Just use the contact button. I didn’t bother to go the blog route.
I disagree. First of all, “we” cannot stop anyone except ourselves from doing anything. Second, and I know it’s trite, but two wrongs don’t make a right. In fact I would argue that the second wrong (abortion) is far worse in terms of its impact on society than the first. Any society that sanctions the extermination of inconvenient or unwanted life, instead of championing and protecting its most vulnerable citizens, is destined for extinction.
Every day I wake and I wonder how in the world Republicans got stuck with this man.
Here in PA we barely remember Tom Ridge. Didn’t do much for us and was not too long at DHS either. Lieberman would be a better choice and might garner votes from disgusted dems.
Where does abortion fit into that? I’m serious. What part of morals and responsibility covers the taking of innocent life?
Thanks, Soap and b-cat.
How do pro life folks work with those that are pro-choice? Kill only half of the babies? Kill them half way? What in the h-e-double Q can you negotiate? What has a baby done to be executed? Please John McCain stand up for those who can’t stand for themselves–CHOOSE LIFE
Not only that, four, but….
Whats the status of abortion according to the Catholic church?
Yeah. Thought so
Absolutely! My vote is my vote, and nobody else has any say in how I cast it. If you want me to vote for a candidate, then persuade me. But strong-arming just validates that a candidate does not have the strength of character to stand on principle.
I’ve never understood why some insist on the greatness of Tom Ridge. I’ve always suspected it was because he was pro-abortion in a pro-life party. He may be a nice guy, but what has he ever done?
MacUser, you seem to fit into the “middle” that I mentioned in my post #130.
Knowing that something is horribly wrong and supporting it, that’s evil my friend.
Here is what I said via his contact page:
Morals and resposibility needed to control yourself, not have unprotected sex, and if you do, do the right thing and raise the child properly without complete reliance on the government.
(Not trying to be combative… I am appreciative of everyone’s comments. Abortion is just one of my inner-conflicts. I am Catholic. I don’t agree with it. I don’t feel that in today’s society, we should be telling other peopl,e not to do it.)
Really, where would we be as a society if we made it law that every unwanted baby must be born? Honest question.
I don’t support it.
…but you use a Mac so you are not perfect!
Just sent McCain a note that if he picks a pro abortion VP, he is committing political suicide.
I have never sat out voting on an election, but this may be the first one.
I already said I would hold my nose and vote for McCain in order to prevent Obama from winning. Now, McCain has given me a reason to sit this one out.
My conscience would be clear in voting for him because of his pro life record. But I question his conscience and principles if he thinks nothing of choosing a pro abortion VP.
This election sucks.
Wooot, go Stache!
If McCain is trying to lose the election, this little stunt is a positive step in that direction for him. Does he not realize how many conservatives out there that this is their one issue that is an absolute “will never vote for a baby killer” for? As in it is a true one issue vote choice, if he picks a pro-choice candidate all those people on the fence who were thinking of holding their nose to vote for him as the lesser of two evils will either stay home or not vote for POTUS at all and just vote in solid conservatives to Congress and local district seats. Just the mere mention of this “idea” from his camp puts in crisis his own pro-life stance… it makes it look like he is willing to compromise the integrity of that stance to win over a few folks and lose the overwhelming majority of the conservative base.
Did good Republican Presidential candidates die with Reagan?
McCain seems to enjoy poking conservatives in the eye—guess it’s his form of torture. He is depending on everyone but conservatives to take him to the whitehouse. He better get ready for the outhouse.
I’m not Catholic, so I don’t really know/care, but the Bible is explicit about the taking of innocent life. I don’t need to insult your intelligence by citing it. Murder is wrong. Always.
early primaries, the reason we need a national primary day or at least divided into 3 in a short timeframe between the 3rd’s..
Pro- LIFE
PRO-D E A T H!!!!!!!!!!!!
I deal in black and white—gray makes me nervous!
McCain is showing his true COLORS!!!!!
NO to the L_O_T_E >>>> VOTE!!!!!
CS LFL
I guess Rob doesn’t see the irony in posting the news about whites becoming a minority in the US in 35 years on this thread.
It’s because of abortion and contraception that white people will become a minority on this planet.
But then irony often escapes insane people.
OK, let’s get real here….abortions are here to stay whether they are legal or illegal. A while back, there was a report regarding the percentage of abortions throughout the world. The abortion rate in countries where it is illegal is the same as in countries where it is legal. Unfortunately, I cannot locate the link to that report….
The most important reason to vote for McCain (albeit with a clothes pin on our noses) is our aging Supreme Court and the probability of new appointees. We cannot afford to allow liberal-minded – let me see how Europe would resolve this matter – Supreme Court Justices. If you want to see the USA go down the tubes – then stay home and let Obama win…….
Gee how about we over react a bit folks?
I am pro-life. Born again conservative evangelical Christian pro-life.
First, the President and the Vice President are not going to impact one iota the current laws regarding abortion. That’s not how it works.
Second, are we conservatives or not? It is interesting to me how quickly we abandon conservative ideology when its “our” issues that we want the government to enforce. Again I am 100% pro-life. However I am also a conservative and am not going to selectively switch back and forth on either issue just because its “my” issue that I want enforced.
Third, those of you who act like if you don’t get a candidate that is who you want you won’t vote, how about you just grow up? So you’ll stay home and let Obama get elected because you are pissed off? That is how you want this thing to unfold? You aren’t getting your way so you will pick up your toys and go home? Because you aren’t happy you’ll let Obama win and destroy this country and possible position either this or the next generation for some serious down time? Just because YOU aren’t happy? What a wonderful voting philosophy that is.
Is it any wonder conservatives are painted as “mean spirited”?
I cannot in good conscience vote for a man who would support the murder of unborn children.
My vote (however futile it may be) is going to the write-in of Dr. Chuck Baldwin.
Pro-Life and Constitution-minded Conservatives, here IS your man:
http://www.baldwin08.com
K2:
Let’s put this into perspective. Let’s substitute “murder” for abortion.
So, if the murder rate in countries where it’s legal is the same as where it is illegal, does that make it okay to legalize murder?
Here’s a reaction, McCain. I’m voting for Barr in November. How does that work for you?
Why would one equate someone’s (a baby in this case) value relative as to whether someone “wants” it or not. How totally arrogrant is that. Who died and made these people God?
Yes, I know the Libertarians aren’t just the other conservatives. But this year, they’re a heck of a lot closer to it than the Republican nominee.
Every barren couple in the country (I know several) would have a child to love.
Every foster family would have a child to take in and nurture.
Who are we to decide who lives and who dies?
What if some of the potentially greatest minds of our times were unwanted burdens 30 years ago and have long since been thrown in the trash?
What if the greatest conservative to ever walk the earth, and our answer to this excuse of a candidate John McCain, never got the chance to run for president because some single mother decided to abort her “burden?”
Your question doesn’t need an answer, because it shouldn’t need to be asked. Taking innocent life is never right. It is always wrong.
I am astounded by this statement. If this is indicative of the beliefs of the majority of our people, God help us all because we have certainly lost our way!
good call.
Nice to see wise_man has another friend on this board.
henryinga,
I do not see it the way you do but, in essence, yes. I have faith in the People (capital P) to keep facism in check and I do share your concerns with Obama. But I have to take a principled stance on abortion. Otherwise, what is a principle?
Just when I think this race can’t get any more depressing, McCain ups the ante. What a RINO.
Really, where would we be as a society if we made it law that every unwanted baby must be born? Honest question.
This is what I was referring to when I said – be realistic. While this is a noble ideal, it’s not based in reality. There will always be people out there who make mistakes, heck I’m one of them. But what we are dealing with here is a
failure to communicatesystemic and ingrained way of life for some people. It’s liberals who believe they can create a utopian society. Are you sure you’re conservative.There is no justification for ending a life. Period. I get what you are saying – I just can’t agree with it. We can change how the system works because as of right now there is no incentive for these people to change their lot in life. I think this is doable moreso than changing the way people have behaved for generations. When you are forced to sink or swim… most choose to swim.
While you are at are you going to end world hunger?
I feel this way about many of my conservative values and feel that we as conservaties are destroying ourselves by some of the things we support/don’t support.
Example: Many conservates are church goers… I go to a Catholic church. (Which makes my views on abortion even more unique.) Many conservatives, myself included, would like to secure the border and get illegal immegration under control. But, I (was) donating to a church that ACTIVLEY gives monetary and legal support to illegals. That ACTIVLEY is recruiting illegals.
I don’t mean to side-track this tread. Just trying to make the point that I don’t feel we should take a hard stance on weather McCain picks a pro-choice VP. If that is what he needs to win the election, then I am all for it.
ANYTHING is better than Obama! And a vote for ANYONE other than McCain is a vote for Obama.
Crikey… the quote function got away from me there.
I would like to live in that world… I really would.
Question: Are there any orphanages anymore? Is every orphan adopted?
The GOP is dying on the vine, much as the Whigs they replaced nearly 150 years ago.
There are parties waiting in the wings to replace them. If enough Goldwater conservatives get the short shrift from the RiNO GOP, we should consider casting in our lot with the Constitution Party.
Why should an innocent person’s life be subject to the whims of another person? Why should someone gets to decide whether someone else is “wanted”?
My 67-year-old mother is currently caring for my 95-year-old grandmother. It’s just the two of them living at my mother’s house, and I help when I can. My grandmother has dementia, and can be VERY challenging to deal with. I am the closest person besides my mother to this situation, and I can only IMAGINE what it’s like to deal with the constant, repetitive, nonsensical questions that my grandmother asks day in and day out, the unreasonable panic she feels and expresses, the agitation and combativeness. However, that being said, when I was young and helpless, my grandmother helped to care for me. Now that she’s old and helpless, she needs me (and my mother) to help her. It sounds like there are some on this board who would say her life is useless, and pointless. But I say that despite these very real challenges, she is an inspiration to others. Who can say who is of value to our society, except God Himself?
The short of it is, I don’t particularly relish the thought of standing before God and trying to explain why I voted for (<—read that condoned and thereby abetted, imho) a man who apparently has no problem with abortion.
But that’s just me, doncha know?
I used the link Michelle provided. Scrolled down to the bottom of the page and clicked on “contact us.” That’s where I posted my comment.
MacUser: Well, it begins with you MacUser! Why not start there!
Well said, 30 pieces!
Thinking about it… Doesn’t Russia have a HUGE problem with overflowing orphanages? With kids, and I mean YOUNG kids, living on the street? Being ignored, aboused, and spat upon?
atheling,
You can choose to substitue the word ‘murder’, but face the facts. Abortion has been legal in the USA since 1973.
Prior to that time, abortions were done in this country – illegally.
four….
I find it very interesting and quite hypocritical that people who are pissed off because McCain isn’t conservative “enough” are not going to vote but instead run the risk of letting Obama get elected. The people who want smaller government, less invasive government, those people aren’t going to vote because they don’t have a candidate who will make sure the government gives them what they want. The very people who don’t want a government to be involved in their lives are going to opt out because they don’t have a candidate who will make the government do what they want.
And then when Obama gets elected and the country goes to hell in a hand basket those same folks will act like it isn’t their fault because they didn’t vote.
Is that what conservatives have come to? The “Its all about me” left mindset?
One would hope not.
As I stated in a previous post, I have 3 kids. They are well mannered and fun loving. I send them to Catholic school because of the gang activity in the public schools. We go to church and we try to teach them good morals.
I think I am doing my part…
If we kill all the Democrats there will be no one left to make fun of.
So it’s official, McCan’t is picking Hillary as his V.P.
I have no doubt many orphans are never adopted. Do you mean to imply that it would be better that they had never been born?
I told you we needed Fred Thompson but noooooo, no one would listen…. Now look at the mess we’re in!
Again, would you rather they had been aborted?
The brains frontal lobe is not fully developed until the age 15 to 20. The frontal lobe is the part of the brain that allows you understand consequence of your actions. The MSM, school, hollywood and the government, have all given permission to these undeveloped brains to have sex as much as they want. Abortion is a result of the permission given.
Fred Thompson did not run a campaign in any way that demonstrated he was a serious candidate. Your confidence in Fred Thompson is misplaced based on his actions, no one else’s.
The election is what it is. McCain vs Obama. Not voting for McCain is voting for Obama. Folks need to get over themselves and consider the bigger picture. Like it or not, it is what it is.
Just because it is “legal” doesn’t make it right or not murder. If euthanizing people over 85 became “legal” it would still be murder.
Well there is Ron Paul…….
tom ridge is and was a laughing stock from his days as the first secretary of national security. does anyone remember his color coding alert stages: red, orange, green, etc? that is what his defining moment and accomplishment was from his leadership. he may have been a successful and well liked Governor of the state of Penn., but he was mediocre on the national level.
that same day, McCain as he spoke to another reporter was asked how he would handle a natinal security threat. McCain’s response? I would call Tom Ridge to Washington. Now, I know McCain has old-timers disease, but I don’t think he is that bad off yet. These comments were made in Pennsylvania, for the voters that love Tom.
But, just to be safe, I did email McCain and tell him what I thought of a pro-choice VP. No way in he77!
Sorry JS, no dispute I’m writing in Newt.
Yea MacUser – So you didn’t abort your 3 children…yep – doing your part I guess.