McCain floats a pro-choice VP trial balloon
The McCain camp is dipping its maaaverick toe into the water, testing to see how the conservative base will react to the possibility (probability?) of a pro-abortion vice presidential pick. Pro-open borders. Pro-global warming hysteria. Might as well go for the trifecta.
They want to know what you think. So, go ahead and let them know what you think.
Don’t hold back:
John McCain’s admission to the Weekly Standard’s Steve Hayes (”Shayes” to friends) that he would consider the possibility of choosing a pro-choice running mate is rightly seen as a trial balloon to gauge reaction among conservative base voters to such a move.
“I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party,” McCain told Hayes. “And I also feel that — and I’m not trying to equivocate here — that Americans want us to work together. You know, [former Pennsylvania Governor] Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don’t think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out.”
Later he added: “I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a — albeit strong — but just it’s a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that. Far more so than [New York City Mayor Michael] Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, pro, you know, a number of other issues.”
“I’m not trying to equivocate here.”
Uh-huh.
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Nope. I am NOT voting for either moron. I’ll write in Keyes.
Thank you very much.
Conservatives didn’t nominate Obama, and they didn’t nominate McCain.
Conservatives don’t want the government to do anything, except what is charged to them in the Constitution. That includes protecting the life of innocent people.
It sounds like you are prepared to blame conservatives no matter what happens. If McCain wins and conservatives complain about his liberal positions, you’ll tell them to shut up – after all, they voted for him. If Obama wins, you’ll spend the next four years railing against conservatives for giving the election to Obama.
Not “born” equal. Created.
The more thought I give to our Founding Fathers the more I believe they were geniuses, and it was nothing short of miraculous that they came together and did what they did. They gave careful consideration to every word they committed to our founding documents.
Unfortunately, there are lots of folks out there that try (and succeed!) to twist the plain meaning of their words. That’s why we need strict constructionists in the judiciary… especially on the Supreme Court.
Even in the Roe vs. Wade decision, the statement was made that abortion could be made illegal if the ‘personhood’ of a fetus were established. I think there’s light at the end of the tunnel (and it’s not a freight train!). But if Obama is elected that light will get a heckuva lot further away. I’m not happy with McCain. But the damage done by Obama’s potential court appointments trump everything else, in my mind.
I have more clothespins if anyone wants one.
Jindal ‘12!!!
MtsEdge –
Sorry to read about your grandmother…. Has her doctor thought about prescribing Aricept? It has worked very well for my 91 year old MIL. Does not work for everyone with dementia, but may be worth exploring.
If conservatives stay home and don’t vote for McCain because they don’t think he is conservative “enough” and Obama wins, then YES the mess the country will be in is partly shared by those folks who allowed Obama to be elected.
That does not mean I am willing to blame conservatives no matter what happens.
And please find me a post of mine where I told someone to shut up. Please read was is posted, not what you feel is posted.
Indeed. And the sorry shape that this once great Republic is in is a testimony to the store of wrath we are accumulating to ourselves – for God does not look kindly upon the murder of innocents.
Greater nations and more enduring empires than ours have been undone by the twin crimes against nature and nature’s God: public endorsement and codified acceptance of homosexuality and infanticide.
Can I get three? One for my nose and two to plug my ears when he starts in with the “my friend” BS. Thanks!
Perhaps you should shift your rage to the so called conservatives who left us with this choice between two evils and not the ones who choose a solid conservative to begin with. Thanks.
Apparently, McCain will be the Republican candidate no matter what any of us feel and are concerned. I have come to the painful conclusion that I have to vote for McCain ( feeling bile rise in my throat) to avoid Obama and his lackeys. This not a choice but reality. Perhaps, we conservatives will survive to fight another day and win… we need to regroup and clean house big time. At least, with McCain in office I won’t be disarmed ( figuratively and literally ) as quickly as I would be with Obama. I will fight but it will have to be guerrilla tactics again… thought I’d left that behind me. We have to take the base back i.e. local and state offices.
That’s not supporting abortion, huh.
If McCain chooses a pro-choice VP it will definitely complicate the presidential race. Then again, Obummer’s out there trying to woo evangelicals with his “more motherhood, less abortions” song and dance. It’s political kubuke theater at its finest.
There is voting for Puppet A or for Puppet B, and then there is voting for principle.
Call Dr. Paul’s supporters crazy or deranged or what have you, but that is what makes them strong.
Ditto for Fred Thompson’s folks.
Or even the few that will be writing in a vote for the Libertarian Barr, or the Constitutionalist Dr. Baldwin.
Principle over party.
K2, thanks. She is taking Aricept, along with some other meds. I can’t imagine what it would be like without these meds. It has been a great privilege to be able to provide some level of support for her life, and I am glad that I am. It has also opened my eyes to an even deeper respect for my mother, for the sacrifices that she makes on a daily basis. Despite the chronic nature of my grandmother’s mental infirmities, she also recites beautiful classical poetry, sings hymns, recites scripture, etc., that she memorized as a child. This has inspired me to teach my children these things, not just rely on what they may learn in public school. That’s what I mean by inspiration; even in old age, she is bearing spiritual fruit. Others are amazed by her, too.
Again, thanks for your concern. I’m glad Aricept has helped your MIL, too.
Rage? What rage?
So over reacting is the m.o. today?
I agree completely. Not voting for McCain and allowing full blown socialism and full blown socialist to take over the federal government is upholding what principle sir?
He’s just angry that conservatives didn’t drink the kool-aid, and aren’t falling in line.
Show abortion films in sex education classes. Show partial birth abortion films in class. Visual images are much more confirming the words.
I’m sorry folks but no one votes for the VP. VP choice has been demonstrated many many times to mean so little in terms of what drives people to vote for President that its only political junkies find it important. The “masses” could care less.
WOW! Did I mistakenly post my message on DailyKOS or what-ever that site is?
IMO – Abortion is not black and white. There are just way too many other factors RE if it should be leagal or not. It is black and white RE if it is right or wrong.
If your comment to me was serious, and not just an attack, then – Yes, I do feel I am doing my part: I am raising 3 kids with good values, that will be productive members of society.
Compared to the COUNTLESS dirt-bags who pop out kids and neglect, abuse, ignore, and abandone them, I DO FEEL I AM DOING MY PART!
In a calmer note – To the posters who asked, essentially, if it was better to abort a child, or to have a child, then abandon it on the street forcing it to live in filth, always hungry, with no love… (YouTube the Russian homeless children) … Then I would say that this is the grey area part of it…
And for those that think that that type of thing cannot happen in the US, don’t be too sure. Get gas up to $10+ a gallon, universal health care, a food shortage, and a couple more corrupt polititions like we have in Detroit, and you will see how fast our nice little society as we know it crumbles.
Don’t forget postpartum abortions.
but i dont go along with the “you’re throwing away your vote” part that some bring up either.
Keyes was mentioned. I love that guy. JC Watts as well, nice guy, could see him doing some good if he were going for public service. but lets be real. If i voted for Keyes, for example, i’d be voting for Keyes. Not for obama. no for mcshamnesty.
If obama wins and i voted for keyes, i’m going to wake up that wednesday morning and still feel just as good about the vote i cast the day before. I might not have the person i wanted, but i voted for who i believe would do the best job. And that is what the process is all about.
What I think is ironic is the band playing on bord the deck of the titanic in a loud noble effort to maintain a sense of normalcy and control… but the ship sank anyway.
Unless you all quit blogging and kvetching about things and actually start a revolution and put a conservative IN office, it is all over anyway.
What?
Are you teaching them that abortion is a necessary evil?
You know, my own wife is one of those kids you mention. Her mother was a skank, slept around, allowed her to be abused, etc. Are you honestly going to say it would have been better if my wife had been aborted?
I do not believe in abortion on demand, nor do I support the government’s involvement in the subject in any way, shape or form. That said, I’m afraid that one issue voters, by not supporting McCain because of their disagreement with him, will be helping to escort Obama into the White House. There are many things with McCain’s stance with which I take real issue. However, given the choice I believe he is by far the less dangerous of the two candidates. It will not stop me from casting a vote for the Republican candidate. And yes, I do let them know what I think on a regular basis.
Logic doesn’t work with these folks Abstract, the concept of personal responsibility and voting for the person who would do the best job is lost on them. You either vote for the socialist or democrat-light, any other choice is unacceptable and if you choose any other choice I will place all the blame on my boy for losing on you and call you an Obama supporter. So shut up, put on your noseplugs, and fall in line. (I only wish I could put a /sarc at the end of that, sadly that is exactly what they think).
And in a year from the day you vote and your taxes have gone up 25%, Al Gore has to give you permission to drive your car and the government is running your healthcare, then what? Glad you will “feel good” about voting for Amb. Keyes. You will be paying a high price for that short lived good feeling.
Forstringfuror
What is postpartum abortion? Will it ruin my day?
Explain “revolution” in the terms of how you think it should apply.
And this then begs the question of what you do in your community to help?
It would be a HORRIBLE mistake to pick a pro-abortion veep.
The Official Party of Death is going to EXPAND its baby murder plank. Its presumptive nominee favors letting abortion survivors die, for heaven’s sake. And McCrazy is thinking of a pro-abort veep?!
I’m not a one-issue voter but the GOP’s stand for innocent life is one of its strengths and the reason why the Catholic vote is starting to skew toward Republicans. I used to be a bit more forgiving about pro-abort Republicans, figuring they were still better than pro-abort Democrats, but not so much anymore. I’ve discovered that pro-abort Republicans are RINO on everything else too.
Don’t do it McCain. Don’t snatch a defeat from the jaws of a potential victory.
Another thumb in our eye!
The man has a political death wish.
See the second post on the top right of this page.
That’s borderline strawman.
If you dont want obama elected, you can do these things:
1. Vote for someone else other than Obama.
2. Convince others not to vote for Obama.
3. Vote for someone else other than Obama.
4. Convince others not to vote for Obama.
Just because you level basic sarcasm at me for my desire to not vote for the LOTE, or the fact that I am not going to vote for someone just to prevent someone else you dont like from being in office, doesnt change the fact that i’m free to exercise my voting rights just like you.
If i want to vote for mickey mouse, thats my constitutional right. If you dont like it, change the law.
Otherwise, stop trying to pull the equivalence lever and make people sympathy vote, just to keep obama out of the white house.
So yes, i’ll keep feeling good about making the choice i believe to be CORRECT. You keep wringing your hands. I’ll vote how i choose. Just as you can, and is your right to do so.
I’m sorry but what “logic” is it that you think doesn’t work on us “folks”? We can either act in a way that keeps the most liberal senator in Congress out of the Presidency or we can act in a way that allows him to win. Is there some logic about that reality that seems to be escaping some of us? Why yes there is. Its escaping those of you who think that we who do not want Obama in office are somehow mindless kool-aid drinking robots.
Grow up. This election matters. Obama can in no way get near the White House. Get over your issues with McCain. This election is not about you. If you want to think that way then yes, I’d say its time you join Speaker Pelosi’s party.
jsmiddleton4 said:,
I admire your support for the Democrat McInsane, but how many McInsane brownie points do you need? By looking on this thread you should already have a couple shirts.
I, for one, will not be frightened into voting for McInsane just because the other guy is “far worse”.
McAmnesty, meet maverick voter.
AH there is the same old abortion is legal error. An abortion law has never been enacted by congress and the SCOTUS does not make law. There is a “assumed” legality from that decision, but it really isn’t legal.
My new hero, abstractmind.
My oldest is 9. When they are old enough, I will teach them that it is morally wrong. I will explain why people do it, and why the choice to do it is a very serious one. I am also teaching them about love, responsibility, respect, etc… All of the things that they will need to hopefully not be put into a situation where they would even consider an abortion.
I am very sorry to hear that about your wife. As you could hopefully tell from my comment, that I do not wish that on anyone, and it tears my heart out to think that children go through things like that.
I was not saying that I though she should have been aborted. I said it was a grey area, especially considering what happens to abandoned children in Russia.
NO NO NO, McInsane needs to get over his issues with our party! He’s a Democrat.
That is exactly what some folks are doing now: Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty, there is the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, and if you are too joined to the hip to the GOP to consider the above alternatives, there is the Liberty Caucus of the GOP.
But “conservatives” have allowed the Rockefeller Liberal wing of the part to float up that tired old man whose major contributions have been to “maverick” himself about, repeatedly spitting in the faces of his base.
Principle? Yes, please! I’ll gladly vote for a guy who on paper is virtually guaranteed to get no more than 1% of the popular vote, if it means standing for the principles I believe in.
I’ll not vote for some greedy, grumpy old git who flip flops every bit as bad as the “loyal” opposition, Sen. Obama, seems fond of doing.
Until and unless Sen. McCain demonstrates that he will support America over globalism first, I and my family have no reason to either support or vote for him.
Fourstringfuror
I had no idea. I think I’m going to be sick.
This man is running for pres.
Abortion is what it is…the taking of a life. When a fetus is wanted, it is a baby and when it is not wanted, it is nothing? Who waves the magic wand to make that change? People can at least be honest about it.
Obama supported leaving a baby that survives an abortion to lie there and die with no help. That’s murder, IMO. Any doctor or nurse who could throw a child in a linen closet to slowly die deserves to be kicked out of their profession. How they can live with themselves is beyond me.
There is nothing positive that Obama could do for this country. McCain, adding a pro-abortion VP to go along with his Juan Hernandez open border views, shows McCain’s utter contempt for conservative principles. I don’t know if drinking will be a help to vote for McCain except that the alternative is so very much worse.
Just sent to John McCain’s campaign:
Has everyone here (excepting those who already stated so) sent McCain a love note on this?
Please, go to his site, at the bottom, click on where it says “Contact Us”, and tell him what you think of this insane proposal.
Let’s flood him with our protests.
You do realize that libs would say the same thing you just said?
Hey, I have it! Let’s use restraint and when that doesn’t work, lets use birth control!!
So I’m angry, dealing with rage and throwing sarcasm at you. And this is a discussion that has substance?
If you vote for someone other than McCain it is a waste of a vote. I don’t really care if you like that or not. I don’t really care if you feel you have the right to vote for someone other than McCain and other than Obama. Reality is what reality is. This election will be about two candidates. The Republican one and the Democratic one. Get over yourself and what you think your vote may or may not mean.
You can either act in a way that will allow Obama to win or vote in a way that will do what you can do to attempt to prevent it and vote for McCain.
You can spin it any way you want, you can like it or not, you can label me with all sorts of terms if you want, but that is all there is to it.
Third party candidates, write in candidates, all a waste of your vote.
Not voting for McCain is essentially voting for Obama.
There, fixed it.
She’s every bit as normal as the rest of us. I can’t imagine life without her, and I can’t imagine why you could even support the idea of allowing that choice (abortion) to be made. It’s not a matter of free choice. It’s a matter of right and wrong. There is no grey area. As a Catholic, you should know that God would rather you be hot or cold. If you are lukewarm, he will spit you out.
I’m sorry but keeping Obama out of the White House is a very worthwhile goal.
I guess you don’t agree. You’d be okay with Obama in the White House as long as you voted your way. So it is about you then.
Glad we have that cleared up.
That’s the kind of evil we’re up against. What’s frightening is McCain is considering a VP who shares the same position.
old_texan,
I stand corrected – the Supreme Court does not make law….however, they do issues decisions which support or reverse existing law.
The states decide. The states legislatures have decided. The clear fact, since 1973, it has been interpreted states may enact legislation regarding the legality of abortion.
It is here to stay, like it or not. It will be here ‘legally’ or illegally.
What may not be here to stay, if we allow Obama to easily take office (along with all the liberals the Dems hope to get elected to Congress), is our ability to protect ourselves from big government.
Will we still be able to bear arms? What will happen to our military? Will Obama begin to strip it, as he has promised? Will those of us who work, be forced to provide health-care to everyone, including illegal aliens? Will those of us who do work, decide it will be easier to not work and just place ourselves on the public dole, because our taxes take over half of what we make? Will the environmentalists continue to dictate whether we can seek alternative sources of energy (nuclear) and still not be able to drill for oil here? Will our taxes continue to fund earmarks, which we don’t know about until the bill has been enacted?
I choose to not be a single issue voter. Will you?
HMMMMMMMMMM:
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w00t!
Anytime, SuzEQ 
Wait a minute. If its not about each person who votes, why do we have a voting process? Why give people a RIGHT to vote, and a RIGHT to choose who they want for office? oh wait…thats right…
Because it really IS all about MY vote.
I grew up a long time ago. And part of growing up is learning to make choices, on your own, and not be lead or intimidated by others into choosing what THEY want. Growing up means making a choice, and accepting the consequence. I havent even made up my mind on who to vote for yet, but people like you make me want to just write myself in and be done with it. You can be as shrill as you want. You can engage in every fearmongering tactic you’ve got to convince people of the fallacy that “voting for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama”.
You can say that 100 times everyday until Election Day, and its still the same fallacy-laden crap you started with.
Each person here…it IS about them. It’s about THEIR vote. Its about THEIR right to choose their elected officials in the legal manner in which we’ve been provided.
But people who think its not about the individual, or their rights, are *normally* the ones who wish to trump those rights for “the good of everyone”.
And guess where that mentality takes place?
If you think thats the case, then i’ll be happy to join Pelosi’ party, while you’re off joining Putin’s in Russia.
Told ya Abstract, think with your mind and not toe the party line and they’ll start calling you a Democrat.
Exactly what my husband says, and you’re both right. This election will be voting for the lessor of two evils. How utterly depressing.
If it wasn’t so critical and the results wouldn’t be so devasting, voting for a third party on principle wouldn’t be such a dangerous thing to do. But letting Obama and his angry wife get in the White House will have dangerous repercussions for this country that might never be undone.
What makes anyone believe that McCain will push and back pro- Constitution judges?????
He’ll continue to “weanie out” and REEEEAch across the aisle…
He’s doing it with this move…..
John M just barely gets my vote. It’s totally conditional. One condition is a pro-abortionist politician. If he picks one, I sit the election out.
And for the record, No. I wouldnt be happy with him in the WH.
But i’m glad i could clear that up since you apparently weren’t really paying all that much attention.
Now, go back to the McShamenesty site and collect your daily points. I’m going to go have some lunch.
I know
Its the same knuckledraggers that got us into this mess in the first place with McCain.
And now, lunch
Wow, that was outstanding Abstract.
You’ll have to ask McCain. He supports amnesty, and all the social services that come with it.
Again, ask McCain. He supports windfall profits taxes on oil companies, which they will pass on as a price increase to the consumer. He also supports amnesty, as you might have heard. Our taxes go to fund social services, which illegal aliens habitually and routinely abuse. Granting amnesty will only mean more taxes.
McCain opposes drilling in the ANWR. He also believes global warming is real, and manmade, and that the federal government (using our tax dollars) has a role to play in reversing it.
You’re absolutely right! I have many, many issues with John McCain!
katie….
I see you understand what is at stake and the nature of the choices and the impact of those choices.
I hit refresh one more time LOL
ROFLMAO
Oh please…dont scare me with more “your taxes will go up”.
There are people just like obama who wanna do that…we call them “politicians”.
thats the dumbest excuse you’ve leveled yet.
ROFLMAO
As a practicing Roman Catholic I am morally obligate to vote.
Its obvious that any properly informed Catholic cannot vote for the rabid pro-abortion Obama.
(Many so-called Catholics are that in name only, they do not meet their obligation to go to mass every Sunday, observe holy days, etc. We call them “holiday Catholics” — they show up at Christmas, Easter and Ash Wednesday).
So if McCain does this very very very STUPID thing, he will not have my vote, he CANNOT have my vote.
I will probably end up voting for the Constitutional Party candidate and then watching “President” Obama destroy the nation.
I spoke with the RNC in Washington yesterday. They have finally taken my name off all of their mailing lists as I have requested.
As for McCain, to me, he is still a bad version of democrap lite. And wise_man, I would still rather be waterboarded than vote for Juan McCain.
I think Smoking Joe would be a fantastic choice. Joe is not a radical lib and very unlikely to push a pro-abortion position if McCain died in office leaving him the Presidency. Realistically, Joe would grab a lot of middle of the road Democrats and probably about every Independent producing a landslide victory for McCain.
I am Pro-Life and I was one of the major players in Alan Keyes’ miracle 3rd place finish in 2000 so I know what it means to be disappointed. Voting for a fringe candidate makes perfect sense for everyone upset at the main candidate until you see the after effects like Clinton’s ‘92 win. We can’t cede the field because we’re upset about our own candidate. What if all the Keyes supporters stayed home in 2000 and Gore won? I bet Gore would’ve apologized for the Twin Towers being too high or something like that.
For that matter, 9-11 was the result of Republicans staying home in ‘92 and ‘96 because Clinton’s policies demonstrated to Al Qaeda that the U.S. was a “Paper Tiger.” So elections have consequences in ways far beyond one issue. Failing to vote for McCain will be a colossal mistake for Conservatives and Smoking Joe would seal McCain’s victory. Also, consider no Democrat, and few Republicans, can match the applause given to Joe Lieberman when he enters a military DFAC on Camp Liberty. The guy is a true patriot and I trust him to lead our country if he got the 3AM call.
One final thought, I bet McCain has people monitoring this website because Michelle is a very prominent member of the Conservative media.
Not correct, JS. The election boils down to only one candidate. Only one person can serve as President. Following your reasoning anyone who votes for any losing candidate – be it Obama, McCain or one of the other candidates – will have “wasted” their vote, their time and their effort. Now that’s the bottom-line reality.
Yes. I have chosen to be a single issue voter. That single issue is to keep Obama out of the White House.
I see that does not seem to matter to others nearly as much as them feeling like they are some kind of “special” people. Them voting for someone who has no chance of being elected is more important than the future of the country. They getting to vote their way means more than having a socialist and the most liberal senator as President.
Again some of you need to grow up and realize that what is at stake with this election is more important than your personal opinions about McCain. Why I bet some of you voted for Ross Perot and in doing so gave us Bill Clinton. Which ones of you do I need to thank for that wonderful move?
I’d like to know so I can thank you each personally for giving the Presidency to Mr. Clinton.
Hey folk
Can any of you in bolggerland come up with a film of a partial birth abortion? Post on YouTube. I’m an old advertising man, I know the power of images. Do it covertly. Any way you can. It will make a very big splash. Always sell the sizzle not the steak. Take a phone in the labor room. The hell with rules. Just do it.
Lost me there.
McInsane is acting like this while he’s trying to get our votes. Imagine how he’ll act when he doesn’t need them any longer.
Put a fork in him. He’s done.
Sadly, I do, js.
I have been reading about Obama, listening to his speeches and he scares me to pieces. Just bought Morris’ “Fleeced” and it’s enough to give one nightmares.
Raising taxes is no joke. The difference Bush made in our life with his tax cuts and the change in capital gains (our retirement money) was huge. What will happen to us if Obama does what he SAYS he will do, will hurt us dramatically.
My husband has had critical health issues now for two years. I have almost lost him 3 times. Expenses have been large. The difference in taxes now and life with Obama’s taxes would seriously hurt our standard of living. Might not mean much to those who feel the “glow” of the Obamessiah or love the color of his eyes, but it does to us.
Does McCain stink? Yes. Is he a RINO? Yes. Is he a conservative? No, and he doesn’t respect us. But I will take my chances and vote for him nonetheless.
That’s the only person you can vote for that shares ALL of your values and positions on the issues.
I respect all those who intend to vote on principle. But, even then it’s a compromise. There’s no such thing as a candidate that shares 100% of your views. Reagan granted 6 million illegals amnesty and let terrorists chase us out of Lebanon. Would you vote for someone else because of that? Every vote is a balance between principle and practicality. I would rather cast my vote for someone with a reasonable chance to win that I share the majority of values with. A man that is 80% my friend is not 20% my enemy. I haven’t heard a single thing from Obama that I agree with. The 80% solution versus the 0%? That’s an easy call for me to make.
I’ll vote for that!
Familyman….
Do you know what kinds of laws one would be breaking and risk one would be taking both in terms of their job and very hefty fines for violating patient privacy if someone did what you request? Very bad idea.
Obama scares me to death with his Marxist bent, and McCain infuriates me with his vacillation and pusillanimity.
Write off the POTUS ‘08 race — there is no rational choice. We need to turn our focus to the Congressional races.
Free Ramos and Compean
Leftists lie LIBERAL-ly
Pro-choice is profane
I am an adoptive mother and a huge propenent of adoption, but it is unrealistic to think that all orphans will be adopted. As much as I want it to be true, many countries will only allow a certain number of children to be adopted internationally each year and the others wait and are more often than not never adopted. It is a sad reality. As for the foster system here, many children are not even available for adoption at all, and if they are it is after they are much older and they have been put back-and-forth from abusive situation to abusive situation and then parenting them becomes much more difficult.
Adoption at birth or soon after is much healthier for the children and the parents. Abortion isn’t healthy for anyone including the birthmom. It has been proven, (yet under reported) that women who receive abortions have a difficult time getting over the trauma.
and lunch is on the way.
js, you oversimplify this to the point of redundancy.
More sarcasm. Its all you’ve got. And its weak.
No one here is claiming to be “special”. I dont begrudge you, or katie, or anyone else, who chooses to vote for McCain. That’s your right. Not once have i told you to vote for someone else. I am telling you to vote for who you believe would do the best job.
When i ask for the same courtesy, I get posts like yours. The fact that there is a clear ideological difference in our thinking, and yet you cling to the same “you’re an idiot and a commie if you dont vote for mccain” rhetoric repeatedly.
I wouldnt normally have to justify how i vote to people. I certainly dont have to answer to you, or anyone else. I vote how I choose to do so, as is my right. Do you think your pathetic mewlings on here are going to change the minds of those who are undecided? Or that your repeated backhanded comments about “enjoy the disaster” are going to make people suddenly reverse course? It would be ridiculous to think that way…
Just as its ridiculous for you to make the same equivalance arguments about how voting for someone other than mccain is dooming us all. It makes you look foolish. Stop trying to scare people into doing what YOU think is best. Remember, its not about YOU, right?
And for the record, i voted the R-Ticket when it was Clinton. Go whine to the Perot supporters
Katie,
If that is what you feel is best, then do so. You wont hear a word of complaint for me. This is a free country. Exercising your right to vote freely is a fundamental practice that i’m glad you can participate in, and glad you’re doing so.
and now, for some rather tasty lo mein!
Sir, you speak as if you corner the market on being grown-up. People here are attempting to dialogue with you, but all I see from you is you poking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalala. Could you at least attempt to come across as a little less shrill? It is getting tiresome, and I really want to continue to read you.
check out the libertarian candidate Bob Barr, http://www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/video/?s0618,
we need to show the Republican Party that we do have an alternative if the cant nominate a decent candidate.
jsmiddletown4
So was the Boston tea party. Blur the edges of the film. Don’t show any person. There are 14000 procedures every year. The baby will be dead. After all the baby is only a tissue mass.
Seems like we’re not reading the same thread there Suz. Maybe I should make a list of all the labels that have been tossed my way to help define just what the dialog has been about?
Please tell me what dialog you and I don’t seem to be having? I would enjoy an honest discussion about why we need to keep Obama out of the White House.
It seems the definition of “not shrill” is to bash McCain and hold my breath until I turn blue describing why I’m not going to vote for him.
If however I point out this election is bigger than me and my vote then I’m out of line? Sorry, that seems quite inconsistent.
So what is the argument that makes it okay for Obama to be President? I guess I’ve missed some critical point of that dialog. Cause so far the only argument is “I don’t like McCain for this or that so let’s give Obama a good shot at winning the White House.”
Please, let me know what I’m missing.
Familyman,
I am in health care sir. You seem to have absolutely no idea of the severity of the punishment for violating patient privacy.
My guess is anyone who is in a position to even have a shot at filming what you are asking for is quite aware of the risk and penalty. So much so that you won’t get anyone jumping at your request.
Yeah, why bother with anything like core beliefs. Can’t they find some MS-13 member who wants to be veep?
A candidate with morals.
There’s millions to choose from in So. Cal. Thanks McAmnesty.
So we will give Obama a good chance at winning the White House because John McCain doesn’t have enough morals for you John?
Have you lost your mind sir?
Oh Abstract please don’t embolden Alan Keyes by writing in a vote for him. The fella is an empty suit and religious fanatic. His ego is out of control and he loves the sound of his own, loud, creepy voice.
However, I’d love to see McCain pick Keyes as his Veep. It would insure the Whitehouse for Obama, and Americans would get the perverse pleasure of watching Keyes have a nervous breakdown, and, or get arrested.
Choose Alan Keyes!
Choose Alan Keyes!
Jokes aside, Abstract I respect your views concerning what you want to do with your vote. I’m a “lesser of two evils” type of a gal, but your viewpoints show a lot of integrity.
“The election boils down to only one candidate.”
Try reading the sentence following that:
“Only one person can serve as President.”
And then read the rest.
(Unless you disagree with the concept that only one person will be elected and serve as President, of course.)
Can we open the floor of the republican convention.
Can the delegates vote their conscience, or are they committed by some federal law. If McCain insist on a pro-abortion VP, it’s clear a broken convention is in order.
I LUV trial balloons.
‘Cause I take great pleasure, watching all the so-called/self-described “conservatives” (Translation: Fanatical Right-wing Lu-Lu’s) go bonkers, when they can’t tell the difference between a proposal, and someone actually acting on an idea.
I’m reading, not dialoguing with you, per se. I did respond to one of your first posts and I don’t believe you answered, but mine was rhetorical in nature, not requiring an answer.
From my perspective here on the MM sidelines, it seems that you are intent on insulting those who insist that their vote is just that, their vote. You insist that those who declare that they will not vote for Mr. McCain based on his choosing of a pro-choice VP are being immature.
What I don’t think you understand, Mr. (?)Middleton, is that there are some of us who see a bigger picture, and it isn’t the milisecond of eternity that Obama might be in the White House, rather it is the big picture of whoring one’s principles by voting for the lesser of two evils.
‘Least that’s my stance.
Abstact – I’d take Alan Keys too!
oopps correction: Keyes…sowy
Another MSM lie! Smearing our brave men and women as un-American dolts! Don’t let this slip past, Michelle!
I’m being invaded by Illegals and there is a race war between the invaders and the black community. McInsane is all for it and inviting more invaders. This pro abortion thing is icing on cake. No need for me to bring up his adultry or his vile language to his current wife (c word), the man does not deserve the job. There is a reason I voted for Bush in the 2000 primary, he was running against McInsane.
I feel the same way about Obama. Wow! It really is a small world.