McCain floats a pro-choice VP trial balloon
The McCain camp is dipping its maaaverick toe into the water, testing to see how the conservative base will react to the possibility (probability?) of a pro-abortion vice presidential pick. Pro-open borders. Pro-global warming hysteria. Might as well go for the trifecta.
They want to know what you think. So, go ahead and let them know what you think.
Don’t hold back:
John McCain’s admission to the Weekly Standard’s Steve Hayes (“Shayes” to friends) that he would consider the possibility of choosing a pro-choice running mate is rightly seen as a trial balloon to gauge reaction among conservative base voters to such a move.
“I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party,” McCain told Hayes. “And I also feel that — and I’m not trying to equivocate here — that Americans want us to work together. You know, [former Pennsylvania Governor] Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don’t think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out.”
Later he added: “I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a — albeit strong — but just it’s a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that. Far more so than [New York City Mayor Michael] Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, pro, you know, a number of other issues.”
“I’m not trying to equivocate here.”
Uh-huh.
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purple….
Yes but the discussion has been about voting for 2 candidates, not how many people can serve as President. So your comment while certainly true, does not seem to fit the context of the flow of the thread nor what I have posted.
This election boils down to two candidates. Either Obama or McCain. Any notion that writing in a candidate or voting for a third party candidate is an effective use of a person’s vote is simply silly. Any vote that takes a vote away from McCain is enabling Obama. Sorry but that is the case. We’ve seen that same situation play out before. Certainly in recent history we have not had a candidate who is as liberal, openly socialistic and scary as Obama. Any action that has a chance of putting him in the White House needs to be openly challenged because of what is at stake.
So no, the context of the dialog has nothing to do with only one person can ultimately be President.
Keyes isnt my first choice, and i dont agree with him on everything..but he does have a certain presense. And he’s better than obama
And ty for the compliment.
Familyman,
Keep your drama to yourself. I was a hospital corpsman in Vietnam. If you want video of a partial birth abortion and given the risk involved to anyone who would take such footage and make it public, then sir apply for a job at an abortion clinic and take the risk for yourself.
Glad you have a brain. You’ll be able to use it then to calculate the increase in your taxes after you throw away your vote on someone who stands no chance of winning and as a result Obama wins.
“Wah-wah-wah…McCain is a poopy-head, and I’m staying home on election day…Or, vote for someone not in contention.”
YIPPEE!!!
That’s how we got Nancy & Harry.
How’s THAT workin’ for ya’?
Can we use one of those bullets to shoot down this “trial ballon?”
“— This election will be about two candidates. The Republican one and the Democratic one. Get over yourself and what you think your vote may or may not mean. —”
Funny, that sounds much like the same sort of thing one might find in a single party authoritarian nation. And however did the Whigs get toppled from their stranglehold over mid-19th century American politics?
The more I look at it, the more the “mainstream” of the Democrats and Republicans look to be two heads of the same beast.
At least one knows where one stands with the Kossacks/DUmmies on the left, and the JBS’ers on the right.
There really isn’t much difference between McCain and Obama, other than the degree of their big-government nanny-statism, and the warp and weft of their socialism (where Obie’s a populist, and McBane’s into corporate welfare).
Why don’t we vote for a man who will get us out of entangling alliances with NATO and the UN, who will support the rights of the unborn, and keep our government unobtrusive, responsibly balanced, and no larger than as necessary?
Just like the Founding fathers intended, when they wrote the Constitution?
McCain, needs to listen to his party’s base: VP Conservative HERE, VP Conservative NOW, America better off!
PAWLENTY! ROMNEY!! Either one.
Challenge all you want. But you’re not challenging people’s notions or ideas when you throw out gems like this:
Or this:
Or, this one is my fav:
so let me see if i’ve got this right…Obama bad, voting your conscience bad, voting for anything other than mccain bad, personal liberty or free thinking bad, and if i’m not scaring you into voting for mccain -very- bad.
McCain is a cancer just like Obama. Both are terminal. One just causes you to linger around alot longer before it does you in.
But I appreciate the fact you dont really care about the voting process, the fundamental liberties we enjoy in our country that let us vote as we choose, and for the fact that you’re not willing to consider anything outside of your own world view.
As i’ve said, vote as you choose. But i’m not going to be bullied into voting into Juan McShamnesty just because YOU think its best.
IF…and based on people like you coupled with McCain’s stances on alot of issues…IF i decided to pull the level for McCain, its not going to be because someone forced me to.
But i can see why McCain draws so many to himself. And Obama too…because sh!t draws more flies than vinegar or honey ever could.
I think englishqueen01 linked to one on the abortion thread here the other day, FM. You might want to check that thread.
Unless McCain picks Stretchface Pelosi as Veep, I will be forced to vote for him simply because the idea of Odumbo in the WH makes me physically ill.
And this was too good to pass up:
followed by
As the World Turns is looking for actors…take your drama there
You and frank have a good day
Conservative base??? What Conservative base? Surely John McCain does not have a Conservative base!
True Conservatives got off the John McCain boat a long long time ago.
John McCain is counting on pathetic “pseudoconservatives” to vote for him because he’s less evil than Barack Obama. This year, he and the other RINOs should find out that we are no longer going to vote Republican out of fear of the Democrats.
jsmiddleton4: Please go back and study how the electoral college works and then get back to me on why my vote here in Connecticut for Baldwin is a wasted vote.
Nope. You have it wrong. You have it right if you are trying to paint a picture that you can then attempt to rebut. However if you are trying to portray what I have actually said, than no, you have it wrong.
So instead of voting for the pro-life president with a pro-choice VP that has little-to-no power, we’ll let a pro-choice president get into office. Brilliant! I’m sure a pro-choice P will help the kids more than a pro-life P.
abstract…..
Are you trying to say Obama is NOT going to raise taxes?
You know how the Democrat Party has taken the black vote for granted for decades, well, in my opinion, McCain is doing the same thing to conservatives.
The difference is that McCain is actually pandering to middle-of-the-road voters who are tired of the same ol’, same ol’ that the Washington liberal elite dish out every election cycle.
He has to try (maybe not that hard) to appear more civil, moderate, and ethical than is the Democrat candidate in order to convince them that he is a better choice for them, than would be a true conservative candidate who just “doesn’t get it.”
I think he thinks we will vote party-line regardless of his “open” positions on some issues. I for one, I don’t like being put into a position to choose the lesser of two evils, but the alternative, Obama, is totally unacceptable, and therefore, McCain will get my vote, albeit, reluctantly.
Suz…
“whoring one’s principles by voting for the lesser of two evils.”
Yes I understand completely that some folks will put their pride ahead of the country and allow Obama to win the Presidency. I get it just fine.
You can all join hands and sing “I did it my way…” while standing in line at the government run doctor’s office.
It will be a great time for all.
I, of course, do not like abortion, but I am a realist. Our country is going down the drain. Obama is horrible and McAmnesty is not much better.
We are being swallowed up by the wretched refuse of other countries and their offspring. For me it boils down to this: People that are anti-Abortion want ME to pay for it; my money is used to take care of the wretched refuse and their anchor babies.
ABORT OR SUPPORT!
‘Round n’ ’round it goes,
Michelle Malkin’s Merry Message-board of McCain Malcontents,
Where it stops, nobody knows.
Us paying higher taxes, having less freedom, having government run health care, that will surely teach those RINO’s a good lesson!
Couldn’t have imagined a better post to demonstrate exactly what is at stake with this election. Stay at home, write in some not a chance to win candidate just to teach those RINO’s a lesson. Then YOU open YOUR pocket book and pay pay pay….
What are you thinking? I mean really? Just who do you think is going to learn anything from your doing such a thing?
I live in a state that has no chance of voting for Obama, so my nonvote for McCain won’t make any difference in who becomes president.
I have already decided long ago that I would never vote for McCain. If McCain picked a solid conservative for his running mate, then I would vote for McCain’s running mate (in order to set him up to become president in 4-8 years).
But I will not vote for a pro-choice VP, thank you, drive thru.
Well, all i’ve gotten from you so far is how horrible i am for actually wanting to make my own choice in regards to voting. I think up to this point, i’ve portrayed things exactly as you’ve stated them.
Secondly,
that’s laughable. I believe ANY politician, given a chance, is going to do that. I dont take exception with McCain on this. And once all of his amigo’s make their casa here, our taxes are going to go up anyway. For taxes, its 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other. Again, like i said…both are cancer. one just works slower.
and to demonstrate:
you say people dont understand, but you’re the one who wants everyone to sing Kumbayah and make smores while we vote blindly for your candidate.
If you think its blind pride, or some other sort of shrill, condescending reason, you’re still wrong.
I dont think you’re wrong for voting for McCain. I just believe you do so blindly.
The least you could do is, if you’re going to be critical of others not voting for your candidate…instead of acting like an a-hole, you could actually try to convince us politely and logically as to why we should agree with you. You’ve done nothing but critisize people like me for exercising our Constitutional rights, simply because you dont agree. You’ve given me every reason not to vote for your man there…why would i, when its people like you supporting him and screaming about him?
Try and give people a *reason* to vote for him. Don’t make it a negative. You might get somewhere.
Pride? LOL Somehow I knew you wouldn’t get it.
Pax.
“I think, I’ll throw away the only chance I have to participate in our Constitutional Republic…That’ll show ‘em.”
HAHAHHAHAHAH !!!
jsmiddleton4
This not about drama. This about the defining moral issue of our time. I’m too well know. An abortion clinic would never hire me. One of my daughters is RN. Unfortunately she’s not in OB. Her discussions with other health professionals has returned the same views I have. They hold, with arrogant contempt, these law makers who legislate moral codes they must work with.
“Well, all i’ve gotten from you so far is how horrible i am for actually wanting to make my own choice in regards to voting.”
Ah so it is about you.
Yeah, at the end of the long line of Mexicans that Juan McAmnesty made citizens.
Mega Dittos to Daria #65 and to ArizonaNeanderthal’s #78!
To me what this nation needs the most is governing by principles and not by polls or reaching across the aisles. McCain needs to remember a true Maverick would be a steward of our foundation and not in selling it out to obtain votes of people who would not traditionally support him, pro-life or what this nation stands for. Government exists to protect rights, and not to create them.
When you look at the number of times our Founding Fathers referred to the “Creator” it is hard to balance that ideology with one that would take the ideology behind pro-choice. They did not compromise when it came to the where they believe their authority came from and where all authority originated. It never ceases to amaze me how those in Congress see these statements written on everything they see in Washington, but reject it. How could you walk the halls of Congress and live in D.C. and forget what you represent, where you allegiance lies, your oath?
It has been said that Patrick Henry said the following, “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” This is why I so agree with the assertions of ArizonaNeanderthal in that once we allow the government to dominate our lives regarding life, then the power of the government can quickly go beyond authority to tyranny. In other words, there will be no stopping where the line is drawn in whose life is no longer worth keeping alive. We have already seen this with many, many cases of people in supposed comas or the handicap. We saw the Nazis do this, and we are most definitely flirting with repeating a history we claim to find despicable.
The most annoying aspect to all of this is our alternative in Obama is far worse, and as Daria said, our voting impacts far more than just the unborn this election cycle. We have the most radical candidate in the history of our nation on the Democrat ticket. He believes in Alinsky who believed in Lucifer. He is for the death of the born and the unborn and this nation. In the long run do we really have a choice, or do we have to live and survive in order to fight another day?
that right there shows how little you’re paying attention. go back to sleep
Apparently it is. Its MY vote McCain wants, right? It’s MY country. its MY right.
I would say it is about me. and you. and every other individual who enjoys the right of suffrage in our beautiful nation.
So here, lets turn this a different direction.
I’ll pose some questions, and you tell me why McCain is the best choice. Would that be fair? It gives you a chance to defend a position, and give me information.
“you say people dont understand, but you’re the one who wants everyone to sing Kumbayah and make smores while we vote blindly for your candidate.”
Nope, not once said such a thing. If you want to vote in a way that Obama gets elected please feel free to do so. Nothing about blindly following any candidate in any of what I’ve posted.
I for one will not be responsible for Obama getting elected. Those of you who are so sure that voting your own mind is somehow of so much greater value than having Obama as President will at least have the comfort of knowing you did it your way. Then just open your wallet and see how much an Obama led government will take.
I’m sure you will all be so proud that you voted your way.
“McCain is the best choice.”
Because he isn’t Obama.
Js, you’re still missing the point.
So, do you want to actually discuss this, or are you just going to be shrill for the rest of the afternoon?
And this statement means you are going blindly with things:
Now, if you’re ready, we can begin. otherwise, you’re running low on material.
I honestly am not sure what to do between voting for McCain and not voting, and change my mind almost every day. Can we trust McCain even on the issues on which he professes to be conservative? Can we really believe he would appoint strict constructionists that would overturn “McCain-Feingold”? I think he will flip on this, and I think he will flip on taxes like Bush I. That leaves only foreign policy, and I am left with the thought that maybe it is better to have Obama in for 4 years and hope that he becomes so reviled that we can gain some ground in Congress in 2010 and have a true conservative emerge in 2012. I am just not sure.
But, but… that’s the only material he’s got!
Abstractmind, I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with you before but on this one I think you’re wrong. JS is getting the point…McAmnesty brownie points.
ROFL ag
all kidding aside. I’m more than willing to sit and go over this, piece by piece. but my position is one i have no need to defend really…as MJ pointed out earlier, its an issue of integrity. That is something that outlives an election cycle.
But i would love to ask a few questions from the mccain crowd, and see what they have as answers.
who knows? they may gain a convert
“Pride? LOL Somehow I knew you wouldn’t get it.”
So Suz you aren’t proud of who you vote for?
I get it just fine. You want to resort to terms like “whoring” when we are talking about a person like Obama possibly winning the White House. And you think I don’t get it? I continue to be amazed at how casually folks who seem to think they are on top of things are willing to throw away their vote to meet their own sense of some value and in doing so risk putting Obama in the White House.
Seems to me to be the epitome of selfishness. “I don’t like McCain so me, I’m going to help Obama get elected. That’ll teach them RINO’s.”
Sounds so grown up doesn’t it?
We’ll run the risk of an Obama Presidency just because McCain doesn’t seem conservative “enough” for you “purist”? Is that what conservatives have come to? Three year olds taking their toys and going home?
I would not vote for Keyes and I was part of his Iowa 2000 campaign which was also the last time he was remotely relevant.
Vote McCain or put Marxist Obama in the Whitehouse with Harry a mind is a terrible thing to waste Reid in the Senate and Nancy the communist Pelosi running the House.
Reality is sometimes a dirt road but it is still better than walking through the swamp.
McCain is STILL a better choice than Obama. But I’m not sure I could vote this year if he chooses abortion over Life. I think I would feel better letting him win or lose without me and if Nobama gets in in, hopefully it will be a lesson to the RNC that we need conservative candidates from here on in. McCain heeds to wake up a realize we don’t want him crossing over to the other side. Get a backbone!
As someone who will vote for McCain, unless he picks a pro-abortion VP, I must say there is very little “material” out there to affirm him as the next Pres. I’ve said before that he is the worst (R) candidate for Pres since I began voting.
“you are going blindly with things:”
So McCain IS Obama Abstract?
Abstract….
I have no intention of convincing you to vote for anyone. If you by this point with what we already know about Obama still need convincing to keep him out of the White House, I guess that fact speaks for itself regarding your mindset.
McCain is not counting on the Conservative vote and it will be a sad day if he wins the election without it.
Cheers! A Baldwin supporter and voter here in NY.
Quite true. And for that matter, it is much less the POTUS who sets tax policy, regardless of what Puppet Candidate A or Puppet Candidate B say to sway the masses into voting for them.
The true power to levy taxes comes from the (very likely to be) Democratic congressional supermajorities.
With all the flabbling over McShame, it might be worthwile to take a long hard look at the downticket races as well.
Yes, when I step into that voting booth, and pull the lever to vote my conscience, it is tootally, 100%, unequivocably all about ME.
MY choice.
MY vote.
And that’s the name of that tune.
Indeed, upwards of half of that line of unfortunates may well be illegal Mexican and OTM immigrants.
340+ posts on a trial balloon.
Our little girl sure knows how to get her site-meter ticking, doesn’t she.
Thank you for your contribution to site traffic.
OK, so..we’re gonna stick with the fearmongering. I tried to turn this into a rational discussion.
Oh well.
No, they are different animals, to be sure.
but take an issue, and compare stances. my personal favorite: Illegal Immigration.
Obama: I favor a path to citizenship for those who are undocumented.
McCain: I favor a path to citizenship for those who are undocumented, in a humane way.
tell me i’m wrong. We’ve covered this topic a hundred times. Tell me i’ve got this wrong, and i’ll point to every news release and every instance of mccain selling us out to every cabrone south of the border.
How about who is helping La Raza?
Obama: Yes.
McCain: Yes. Has been their Man of the Year. Has been a keynote speaker at major events, including one last month.
Tell me where this distinguishes McCain from his rival.
And just to check-block this little caveat, you work in the medical industry…how many illegals does it take to increase our previously mentioned tax burden based on having to cover these people.
Obama: Raises your taxes directly.
McCain: Lets illegals in that tie up our resources and drive up taxes to cover the shortfall from providing for those who dont belong here.
I could do this all day. Rationalize for me how these 2 candidates are different in these respects. so far, its looking like the same on both sides to me.
to check-block one caveat, I do believe whole-heartedly that there are clear distinctions between them. McCain clearly has more experience. He is more conservative than Obama, in some areas. Its the areas he’s NOT different than Obama that worry folks.
but lets address the issues.
As somebody who has voted for pro life and pro choice republicans, the pro life movement needs to get over the hysteria of a pro choice VP.
1) The President is the top dog.
2) T
“we’re gonna stick with the fearmongering.”
No, we are going to stick with the truth. Telling the truth about Obama is not fearmongering. You are pulling a trick, a bait and switch, that is a tactic of the left sir.
Obama is what Obama is. An Obama Presidency is a disaster waiting to happen. Or do you not agree? You okay with an Obama Presidency? That’s a simple question. Hope you will answer it.
“half of that line of unfortunates may well be illegal Mexican”. Unforunates They are law breakers sport
#344 – franksalterego
the point is any “trial” balloon gives some insight into a candidates thought process (or lack thereof). This might be a trial balloon – but it tells many of us McCain’s true thoughts on the sanctity of life (he doesn’t think it’s important). Ann Coulter probably got it right when she stated that McCain will only lurch left from here on out as he no longer needs the conservative AZ voters. He’s pandering to a different crowd now.
So abstract for you McCain and Obama are the same. So it doesn’t matter to you who really gets elected because in your world Obama and McCain at the end of the day are the same.
That explains your position and responses.
McCain=Obama in your world.
Then please, don’t bother to vote. It would be a waste of your time.
As somebody who has voted for pro life and pro choice republicans, the pro life movement needs to get over the hysteria of a pro choice VP.
1) The President is the top dog.
2) The President has virtually nothing to do with abortion except for Supreme Court choices.
3) A Vice President assuming the Presidency due to the death of a President would not dare deviate from that President’s policies for fear of being seen as an unelected dictator.
4) Social issues get people to the polls, but we are fighting a war on terror, and the next President will not do a d@mn thing about social issues that will distract from that.
It is ridiculous that a man like Rudy Giuliani, who would be fabulous on the war on terror, should be excluded over the abortion issue.
As long as the preson promises to select strict constructionist judges, that should be good enough.
Sheesh.
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com
then let me correct you.
My mindset: I’m not willing to roll over and tow the party line just because its an R beside their name.
My mindset: I want to know *everything* I can about this before I make a decision. I want to make sure i’m voting for someone I’d be comfortable with in the White House. And so far, neither of them have made that level of comfort. Is it pride, with how i take a stance like this? No.
Nor do i believe it prideful to want to *make sure* the choice i make is correct.
My mindset: I don’t want the country to go down the crapper anymore than you do. But I’m not willing to compromise what i believe is correct for expedience or ease. Do I want obama? of course not. But McCain is making it downright difficult to vote for him on the issues. And everytime he flips on something…everytime he appears at LaRaza…It makes it that much more difficult to trust someone with our highest office given those problems, and more.
Thats the truth. You know it.
And cheers to you, and welcome
It must feel good, huh? A little misogyny from across the internet? That’s so big, and manly, and macho of you. Not at all like a little girl.
The only bait and switch i see is yours. you pull this “obama = mccain, right?” argument. they are clearly not the same.
Of course, had you bothered to read post #347..and actually responded to my questions and concerns, you’d have seen that and actually answered with something other than this shortsighted post.
You’ve simply got nothing but the same thing to say over and over again. How about answering that other post. When you’re ready to talk about those things, and not just regurgitate the same phrase over and over again, come back, Sir.
Otherwise, put it to rest. It’d be better if you dont vote either, since you’re voting for Obama as well…ya know, since they equal out right?
But yeah..when you’re ready to address things right, and actually discuss this, i’ll be here.
Actually I don’t think he would know the truth if it smacked him upside the head Abstract
But I thought you said not voting was effectively a vote for Obama?
Oh, and those who are pro life should look at Rudy Giuliani or another Neocon if they say the following:
“I am pro-life. I want to keep Islamofacists from murdering us. Islamofacists murder women, children, and fetuses. If you want babies born to term, then support a guy that will work to prevent true infanticide, that being the slaughter of all innocents by Islamofacist terrorists.”
Done.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
You’ve been telling everyone on here to grow up, get over it, and vote for McCain. Which is it? Vote, or don’t vote?
..so he’s going to pick a demoncrat….
four, AG,
Thanks for pointing that out LOL. i meant to and hit the post button
But i’d love to seriously discuss the topic. if all i’m going to get is the same thing over and over, i’ll go find lgm and talk down to him for a few minutes…its vastly more entertaining
I’d rather be waterboarded.
LOL, point taken
Not to be totally cynical, BUT I guess the next thing we will hear is that the McCain, that we unfortunely know, will float the idea of an Illegal Immigrant (who needs the money to send back home to his family, after all, there are no Americans that want to do that job), a guy married to another guy who has adopted 2 or 3 children, a vegetarian because he would not want to harm another living animal, supports no increase in drilling because it just wouldn’t be good for our ecology or global warming, and is for saying “PLEASE” to Russia, Iraq, and Iran so they will stop all of this posturing and fighting (whining, can’t we all just get along). Wouldn’t take me by surprize at all. Just another slap in the face of people that McCain evidently will not cater to.
abstract,
Again if at this point in what we know to be true about Obama you are not convinced that keeping him out of the White House is a good idea, then that in and of itself speaks quite clearly and loudly for your mindset. You keep attempting to play some game of works with things like fearmongering, convince you of this or that. As your posts have indicated if you are not already at the point of being certain that an Obama Presidency is a very bad idea and to be avoided, what can I say?
Four…
My comment was to abstract. If in his mind for all intentional purposes McCain=Obama then for him, given that mindset, his vote is a waste of his time.
And actually what I have told folks is to do whatever they can to keep Obama out of the White House. Please at least attempt to keep the general theme of my posts intact.
Will he talk to you? He’s mad at me.
Your theme has been quite “intact” from the beginning: vote for McCain or suffer the consequences without complaining. On that you have not waivered, I’ll grant you that.
Horrors!
Doesn’t contrast too much with your, “Play the way I play or you’re a big baby,” rant now does it, JS?
Yep, given the nature of the way this thing works when voting for President we have two choices. Obama or McCain. Anything that does not work toward McCain winning means it is positioning Obama to win the Presidency. An Obama Presidency is a very bad idea. We don’t need to know anymore than we already do to conclude that Obama as President is a seriously lousy deal.
There is no further discussion needed, no further investigation of “issues”, policy dialog, candidate mindset, that is needed to be fully convinced that Obama is a bad idea. If at this point someone is still not convinced that this is the case, well that in and of itself speaks for that person quite loudly.
A point that some here seem to miss is that some of us also want to keep McCain out of the White House. We’re having a hard time deciding if bleeding to death by having our arms cut off is better or worse than bleeding to death by having our legs cut off.
Suz…
Well that didn’t take you too long there did it?
And that means an Obama Presidency.
So which is a better way to bleed to death?
A pro-abortion VP will not help to unite the conservative base and Sen. McCain needs that base to win this election. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
And play the way I play is to participate in the process, to not stay home and pout, not to write in some candidate that has no chance of winning, but to vote against Obama to keep him out of the White House by voting for McCain.
Is playing that way a problem for you Suz or do you just want to bust my chops?
Yes,
Barefoot n’ pregnant.
That’s my motto.
heh,heh,heh
Thank God some of you weren’t around during the American revolution. Jefferson and Adams did not commit to the political expedient path of negotiation. They chanced to lose life and property. At some point you must stand for what’s right. Please don’t give the warn out dialogue about politics is about compromise.
I’ve been hearing that for years and look where it’s brought us.
What I know conserv… is the way the government works ANY of what Obama does even if its only for one term, 4 years, will either take many many many years to roll back OR will never get rolled back.
Whatever folks think they will be “teaching” the Republican leadership by dissing McCain, we will be paying for that lesson for a very long long long time.
so family you are equating asking someone to risk their job, a huge fine, probably their entire career and certainly a civil law suit to get you footage of a partial birth abortion to the issues our founders struggled with regarding the forming of this country?
Maybe you should be pressuring your own daughter to take that kind of risk since you don’t seem willing to do so yourself.
glad we can talk about the issues…and you’re making it all about me. Thanks! i’m flattered!
Ok, but since the first half dozen times i’ve said this, but here….i know you’re not catching on as fast…
OBAMA = BAD
K. Now that we’re done with that, lets move on.
Am i’m sure telling people about how the boogeyman is going to raise taxes and long lines in front of your medical facility, and all the other “obama is going to….” statements…NO! No fearmongering there! Its not trying to guilt or scare people into agreeing with you? What ever could you really be saying? *rolls eyes*
And to wit, i actually posted my “mindset”…post #354. Try to keep up, please.
Absolute fallacy. Addressed earlier.
*had to go afk* anyway. You’ve managed to dodge actual questions and turn this to be something its not. very nice, lgm would be proud
Yes and you my lose property and some freedoms.
Remaking this country will take time. History teaches us that 5% of the population is needed to make major changes. Until people are backed into a corner they won’t see to the need. Get some balls!!!!!!!!
He must be mad at me too, he hasnt really answered anything i’ve asked him yet.
Its all those facts and schtuff
I don’t believe that. I believe that with Obama as president, you will see a more conservative Congress. Republicans in Congress will be free to push back against the president, and will be actively encouraged to. (With a McCain presidency, they would be told to toe the party line no matter what.) I think that even some of the Democrats will become more conservative. After all, they may want to see their socialist utopia created… but not too fast as to wake the American public.
Before I go jsmiddleton4
Don’t ever ever downgrade what we went through in the bush in NAM by calling it DRAMA. Got that sport.
You may or may not have a brain, that’s not for me to decide. But, whether you like it or not, not voting for McCain IS a vote for Obama. Being as anti-abortion as I assume you are, an Obama presidency should be the last thing you’d want.
With McCain, at worse, we maintain the status quo as far as abortion goes. With Obama, federally funded abortion on demand with little or no restrictions becomes the law of the land, not to mention federally funded embryonic stem cell research.
If you don’t want an increase in abortions, as detestable as McCain is, the last thing you want is Obama for president.
You say you have a brain, try using it. Vote wisely.
OK, people–McCain may not be everyone’s ideal candidate (hello Amnesty), but look at the alternative. This election is far too important for a protest vote, or to sit out. DO YOU REALLY WANT OBAMA? He made Hillary look like a conservative!
You don’t really believe that McCain is running, do you? McCain is part of a an elitist “conspiracy” to elect Obama. Obama will be the next president, the congress with be majority democrat and the end of the United States as we know it will have been ushered.
Vote for John McCain, he will save us, Vote for John McCain, he will save us, Vote for John McCain…..
Thanks for the advice boss, you da best!
We saw how important the position of POTUS is to our country with recent Supreme Court decisions (e.g. 2nd Amendments rights, execution of violent pedophiles, rights of enemy combatants). The next president has the potential for appointing the next 2 or 3 justices. I will pose the same question: DO YOU REALLY WANT OBAMA AS POTUS? This election is far too important for a protest vote, or to sit out altogether. It’s not as simple as sending a message and it being over in 4 years. It has the potential for permanent, extremely worrisome repercussions. Again, Obama makes Hillary look like a conservative! Think about that on election day.
Hot topic! My comments are only one of many!
Everything mccain said is.. Correct. On this issue.
If Tom Rigde were selected, I would be *more* inclined to vote for McCain.
Nice solid conservatives, conservative on a whole host of issues, can disagree hugely on this topic. I know, I came from the Liberal side with the Libertarians. Even there the Libertarians for Life made their presence felt with good Liberarian arguments in support of Life.
Also, consider the split between your personal morality, and a state’s morality — while the US has a strong Judeo-Christian (JC) alignment with respect to laws, the underlying premises of each sphere are different. The JC premise starts with Charity, Benevolence, etc. The state premise begins with Private Property, and its defence.
Because you are pitting the Child’s right to its self vs the Mother’s right to hers, educated and well meaning philosophical people can, and obviously do, differ on this subject.
McCain’s other transgressions are much worse – taxes (not allowing people to keep what they earn), Campaign Finance Reform (freedom of speech and association), etc. He is running as the President, a State based position. His arguments should be based on the philosophy of our State. And several of his positions violate the US’ philosphy.
Of course, considering him as US president is what makes him more palatable than Obama. Obama’s positions are *much* worse. And his moral ones aren’t any better.
Anyway, I would be very Ok with him picking a Pro-Choice candidate. Ideally I would like it to be a Anti-tax, pro-Homeschooling, anti-FDA, anti-socialsecurity, pro-Defence, …etc type guy. And if pro-choice was the worst one could say about him, then I would still vote McCain.
Ger.
McCain is on thin ice as it is, with conservatives. They are even starting to warm up to him a bit. DON’T BLOW IT by choosing someone who’s pro-child-killing. I appreciate Ridge’s service to the country, but you’re asking me to vote for you and I’m very pro-life. Pick a pro-life veep and make yourself more certain for conservative voters. If they want a pro-child-killing candidate, they can choose Obama.
It seems many of us agree that McCain has no intrest in his base. When he talks about reaching accross the isle he means left to right.
Every time I start to melt the McCain ice, he throws me back in the freezer.
Someone this morning suggested he lost he balls in nam, how can we disagree? He shows no fight in congress or his campaign (except for the left of course.
McCain is starting to get as scary as Obama.
Where are the people who care about our country and our freedom.
I appreciate what Juan McCain went through for his country in Vietnam, but seriously, I think his time in that tiger cage affected him.
McCain added “I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice.”
Uh, Sen. McCain, yes, it does. If you cave on this, there really is no reason to vote GOP anymore — even though the reasons to vote GOP have all been disappearing since Reagan left the scene.
You’re really making me ill at the thought of what’s going to happen to this country.
I WILL NOT VOTE “DEM LITE.”
And as for those FOX pundits that think Tom Ridge would be a great addition to the ticket and will win the PA vote, my entire extended family is conservative and lives in PA. They all think Tom Ridge is a joke and was worthless to the state and to Homeland Security.
Let me get this straight. If I do not vote the way you think I should vote, then I am not participating in the process? Are you reading what you write, sir? I’m beginning to think that you do not have a good grasp of what “the process” really is.
Please do quote where I said I would refuse to vote, or write in a name. Let me save you some time, you can’t. For the record, I despise Obama. I fear what he will do to this country should he end up POTUS. I do believe he has an agenda, and I do not think his agenda is for the betterment of our country. And while I had every intention of voting for McCain, although I do not for one second, believe there is one conservative bone in his body, if he chooses a pro-choice candidate for VP, I will not vote for him.
Some things are bigger than this election, Middleton. What is truly sad, is that you don’t see that.
Now, you may have the last word, because, yes, I am beginning to like busting your chops just a little too much.
Well said SuzEQCitizen.
If McCain chooses a pro-abortion candidate for his VP, I am definately not voting for him. Unfortunately, the only reason I would vote for McCain is because I do not want someone in the white house who will make it easier to kill babies legally. Nothing else really impresses me with McCain.
Why is it that traditionalists are always the ones to compromise? Every year, we always give a little yet move more and more left. So even though the left don’t get all of their demands at the present time, they know they are winning because our leaders always give in little by little until eventually, the left get everything they were asking for and more.