McCain floats a pro-choice VP trial balloon
The McCain camp is dipping its maaaverick toe into the water, testing to see how the conservative base will react to the possibility (probability?) of a pro-abortion vice presidential pick. Pro-open borders. Pro-global warming hysteria. Might as well go for the trifecta.
They want to know what you think. So, go ahead and let them know what you think.
Don’t hold back:
John McCain’s admission to the Weekly Standard’s Steve Hayes (“Shayes” to friends) that he would consider the possibility of choosing a pro-choice running mate is rightly seen as a trial balloon to gauge reaction among conservative base voters to such a move.
“I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party,” McCain told Hayes. “And I also feel that — and I’m not trying to equivocate here — that Americans want us to work together. You know, [former Pennsylvania Governor] Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don’t think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out.”
Later he added: “I think it’s a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a — albeit strong — but just it’s a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that. Far more so than [New York City Mayor Michael] Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, pro, you know, a number of other issues.”
“I’m not trying to equivocate here.”
Uh-huh.
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I’ve stated over and over that I simply can’t pull the lever for either Obama or McCain. As Obama continues to be exposed I sometimes toy with that strange argument that at least McCain is better than the other choice. Every time I even consider that I might actually break my vow, John McCain McAmenesty works across the aisle to remind me that he’s absolutely no better of a choice.
Wish our party had the balls to do what it looks like Clinton supporters may pull at the Democrats convention – no I don’t mean violence or throwing poo, but yes I do mean not accepting the “choice” that we’ve been given and instead throwing another name (ANY NAME) in the pot to stir things up.
I think McAmnesty has crunched the numbers and figures he doesn’t need the vote of dwindling conservative Dinosaurs.
If McCain chooses VP that believes in killing babies, then why vote for them.
If that is the case, Obama not only believes in killing them in the womb, but killing them after they are born.
I have always believed in associating with those that give 110% in everything they do. So, Obama will get my vote since he also believes that babies should be killed after they are born, not just in the womb.
Thank you, ag.
Funny… I don’t see the hardcore McCainians on the site yet….
See, yuo dont need me to be a hero, you’ve got it all figured out on your own…
Of course, if any of the ladies need a level headed guy with absolutely the best shoulders and forearms around, well…i can wear a cape if i have to
ROFL
good posts tho, keep it up!
Tygrrr, I think you’ve got it right, but that view isn’t going to get much play around here I don’t think. Too many frustrated and marginalized social conservatives stuck on the abortion, gay marriage, etc. issues. The economy and national security issues rule the day with the vast majority of voters. I doubt that McCain will go with a pro-choice VP and I think it’s a big stretch to even call his statements “floating a trial balloon”, but I actually think this could be a winning strategy. The need to pander to the religious right ended once he sewed up the nomination. Now McCain needs to attract independents and the moderate/conservative wing of the Democratic party. I think even the rightest of the right wing understands that the electorate in this country is overwhelmingly in the middle. I think Ridge would be a good choice.
dakine,
I know he needs to still pull in the undecided and the anyone else he can…and understanding that is fine. your point is taken.
AG
LOL, nice! But i think i might look good in a cape…something batman-esque?
People keep telling me that John McCain is the lesser of two evils.
And then John McCain keeps doing stuff like this to prove he is not any less of an evil.
Why does he feel compelled to go out of his way to alienate every conservative left in the party?
If John McCain buys into global warming, abortion, raising taxes, raising spending, increasing the size of government, throwing open the borders, destroying the constitution with McCain-Feingold-like legislation, and giving terrorists and unlawful combatants rights in American courts, exactly how is he less evil than Obama?
Batman (in the new series) does have a pretty sweet cape
I guess he has just gotten lucky so far and hasn’t run across any jet turbines or vortexes yet 
That deserves a big B I N G O
With the exception of “buying into abortion,” which I assume means being “pro-choice,” what exactly in that paragrpah doesn’t describe the current president?
global warming – check
raising spending – check
increasing the size of government – check
throwing open the borders – check
Perhaps, with the exception of “giving terrorists and unlawful combatants rights in American courts.” But given that McCain rolled over and now supports torture, I don’t see your point.
Both me and my boyfriend are pro-abortion. Personally I think abortion must be available to ALL women for ANY reason. To all of pro-life folks: it’s none of your business to decide what I (or other women) want to do with my (their) body. I’m studying medicine in MD and this summer I was in a Swiss hospital (I’m also European) and I saw how they perform abortions in Europe, everything went smoothly and unlike in USA, abortion is definitely not a big issue in most of Europe. Also it’s not uncommon for Americans to go to Europe to have late abortion.
# 352 – BT
“2) The President has virtually nothing to do with abortion except for Supreme Court choices.”
The President could declare an :
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION….FOR THE UN-BORN……
That’s what a man or woman with a spine would have or can do>>>>
I’m waiting for a President of character like Lincoln…..
WAITING >>>and WAITING>>>> and WAITING!!!!!
But that’s just the point. There’s another body (human, life, soul) involved. That person deserves rights, doesn’t she?
Interesting. Terrig? Terrig, where are you?
That’s nice, you want a cookie or a Democratic Party sticker or something?
Any reason hunh? Wow, you really like murder a lot and not just a little bit. But at least your on par for Obama’s stance.
It becomes my business when an innocent human being is murdered and not allowed to live.
I work in medicine too, go me. And I could care less if the murder went smoothly or not, only that it stops.
That’s about to change though soon, thanks to your Euro friends very own hate crimes and thought crimes legislation and the massive immigration of a whole people group who are not only totally 180 from ultra-liberal Europe on most issues but really really hate abortion. Well they really hate women in general, so good luck to them with that. Personally I think they brought it on themselves and have no desire to go save their sorry butts a third time once the feces really hits the fan again here soon.
Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON’T NEED US CONSERVATIVE DINOSAUR VOTERS ANYMORE! THEY DON’T CARE WHAT WE WANT OR SAY…..WE ARE OUTNUMBERED. HELLO…HELLO!… IS THIS THING ON?
If we don’t abort, we must support!
This message was brought to you by MY taxpaying dollars.
Rob–:-)
OK- Off to my favorite place to get a marquarita! (sp)
Sigh, MJ is like 3 weeks behind the ball on this story…
Really now, go do your homework on what enlisted people make and see how many of them can afford over 200 dollars along with their bills and raising a family. Officers have consistently given more money (ie over 200 dollars) and tend to vote against the general tide of the enlisted troops. I attribute that (due to my previous enlisted experience in the infantry) to losing sight of what’s best for the troops and being power hungry. The ones closest to the troops by leading them in battle directly still haven’t lost sight of the bigger picture and what it means to have a Democrat in control of the military. History has shown how much the military is cut and neglected under Carter and Clinton. I should know, I had the misfortune of serving under CiC Clinton.
To all you baby-killers out there: I don’t care what you do with your body. But I do care about the innocent within that you wish to destroy.
I guess we Americans haven’t made quite the slide into the muck that you Europeans have, eh?
And that’s why you Euroweenies are going by way of the dodo bird.
Sayonara, sucker.
Neocon527,
You asked an excellent question. Are McCain and Bush significantly different on major points?
I would very much like to have my last vote for George W. Bush returned to me precisely because he has abandoned any pretense of conservative principles.
George W. Bush is also no longer the lesser of two evils. His transformation to “the dark side” seems nearly complete. He is as big a RINO as McCain with the possible exceptions of abortion, taxes and unlawful combatants.
The GOP has lied to me long enough. I don’t believe them when they offer me liberal, democratic platforms and then call themselves “compassionate conservatives” or “mavericks.”
I’m not buying it any longer and I won’t be voting for McCain just like I wouldn’t be voting for Bush if he were running this year.
The Republican Party was founded for the specific purpose of stopping Democrats from spreading slavery to the territories and the free states. Now, the Democrats are committing a far greater crime against humanity — abortion — and the Republicans are doing nothing about it. There should be no pro-abortion Republicans, much less pro-abortion office holders. The party has lost its soul and its reason for existing.
And McInsane goes the other way. He should just come clean and switch parties now. He sides with the Democrats more.
After reading many of the 420 comments above, it is clear that John McFraud is the most politically tone deaf politician to come along in a long time…well maybe since George Bush. If McCain cannot sense that he already has an uphill battle to get the conservative base out to vote for him, how does this idiot think that picking another proponent of infanticide is going to help him?? Im sick to death of this fool. Im going to write in a vote for Harvey Dent; thats how much Im starting to [not] care about this election.
Lone ranger 421, good points. And Lincoln was a great President. That’s why I’m surprised that this happened in our hometown of Springfield 100years ago to the date. I’m really surprised that Obama wasn’t there giving a major speech.
It will be curious if, after the general election, Lieberman switches to the GOP and President McCain switches to the Democrats.
It will be even more curious if Lieberman is McCain’s running mate and Vice President when they make their respective party reallignments.
Stranger things happen in Washington.
If you’re only talking to yourself then you’d be correct, js, but the reality is that folks are obviously challenging your personal opinion here. Which is how things work in parts like these. To paraphrase and clean up a saying, “Opinions are like elbows”.
Sorry, but only one is a winner. Unlike horse races there’s no “place” or “show”. There’s not even a Miss Congeniality award.
Now with that (hopefully) having been established as the incredibly obvious reality, we need to apply your reasoning to it which goes; “If a person votes for a losing candidate, they have thrown their vote away”.
Appling your logic: if someone votes for McCain, Obama or whoever – and the candidate they voted for loses, they have “thrown their vote away”. Your assertion paints you into a very problematic catch-22 corner if you are intelellectually honest and consistent in it’s application.
That being said, I would submit your energy and time – if you truly believe what you say here – would be much better utilized at your local McCain HQ licking stamps, making calls, door knocking and such. But I’ve found it to be common that many people have very strong positions online when there’s no “there there” in real life.
And there’s the key for you, if you’re serious and not just merely offering up your “elbow” here. Obama certainly isn’t focused on, much less relying on, online-cheerleaders. His supporters are giving their all. No matter what I think of ‘em there’s no doubting their commitment to their candidate. They’re walking their talk, not bunkered in behind keyboards waging mighty battles in blog-comment threads.
Your take may differ from mine as to which approach has more real-life impact on the great unwashed mass of voters who put actually people in office. But if does differ, you’d be wrong.
Camp McCain wants to handicap his chances is the Maverick feeling that sure of himself because I am an Independent and I am not feeling it.
You mean they haven’t already?
Whoever MCcain goes with, my thinking is that it will be based on his potential VPs adoring lapdogness much more than anything else. While Obama has no problem extolling his own greatness, McCain needs the ego fix from outside – from the media, the left, whereever. I expect he’ll be looking for a #1 fan type for VP above all other qualifications.
He never had this Southern Baptist in the first place. I had pretty much decided (but not commited) to support him as the lesser of two very real evils.
But if he picks a pro-abortion VP I’ll either stay home or vote third party in November.
I just went to his website and told them that.
Me too, brother (or sister as the case may be).
Why not prove what kind of a true mavrick he can be by doing something completely outrageous and having a conservative as his veep choice?
Wouldn’t that be a wonder.
So yesterday we had an outright lie about McCain “throwing Lieberman under the bus”, today we are getting the old “soft on abortion” DNC talking point.
Michelle Malkin certainly will say anything to get Obama elected. I hope people remember this when we have someone who voted to literally let children who were born alive die as president.
On August 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pm, purplepeep said:
Great post. I know that my wife is very happy that I don’t have a candidate to support this time around. Saves a lot of money and time working for a campaign.
What part of McCains own words did you not get as a “lets test the waters” kind of statement?
That’s called acid reflux and I get it everytime I hear McCain or OBH speak.
From my post # 409>>>>
The President could declare an :
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION….FOR THE UN-BORN……
That’s what a man or woman with a spine would have or can do>>>>
I’m waiting for a President of character like Lincoln…..
By the WAY”YYYYYYYY:
My coin:
L_O_T_E_ >>>>> ANYONE!!!!!!!!
But on the other hand, Bill, the more accurate “McCain slaps Lieberman down in front of the liberal media for making a ‘politically divisive’ comment to the effect that McCain has the experience America needs” is way, way too long for a blog entry title.
On August 14th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, purplepeep said:
Not what happened either purplepeep, and you have had it quoted for you -verbatim-.
Since when have you been concerned about brevity?
You are a wise man, John, knowing which side the butter is spread on. While you might get stuck with Tweedledum or Tweedle-dummer for a few years you have the “Boss” to answer to for life!
Things could be tougher, though. Had a bro who was a Vikings fan but he married a lass from Wisconsin. Sunday afternoons at their place was something to beware of come each Fall.
FOUND >>>>> the CHARACTER >>>>>of a Lincoln-Patrick Henry- George Washington and et.al.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/amazing-video-georgian-female-reporter.html#comments
in GEORGIA!!!(not the Georgia/USA)
Reporter-shot by Russian sniper–still carries on while………!!!!!!!!!
This is the Georgia that flies the US flag with their own
!!!!!!!!!
Still waiting for such courage among our “officials” HERE in the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAITING>>>>>>AND WAITING>>>>>AND WAITING
Horse is WAITING TO BE FED!!!
I’LL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL Purple Peep. Guess your brother was a little lucky that he wasn’t a bears fan.
He or she was probably aborted.
# 445 atheling;
Sad to say: You are probably correct…..
WOW that Reporter has some major…um….well thanks for that link, Christian Soldier. Wish our candidates had….um…well Character like that.
purplepeep said:
But on the other hand, Bill, the more accurate “McCain slaps Lieberman down in front of the liberal media for making a ‘politically divisive’ comment to the effect that McCain has the experience America needs”
McCain had a few good weeks there when he let the brighter heads prevail and they whomped serious Obama butt with some effective ads. After the Lieberman incident he’s even got his friends in the media saying “huh?’
“Yesterday in Teaneck, N.J., Lieberman criticized Obama to a group of fundraisers, saying, “If you read the statements from the beginning, Senator McCain and Senator Obama, one had kind of moral neutrality to it, that comes I think from inexperience. The other, Senator McCain, was strong and clear and principled and put America where America always wants to be.”
When reporters pointed out Lieberman’s statement to McCain, who was standing next to Lieberman during today’s press conference, McCain gave a response that left some confused.”
McCain’s Call To Not Politicize Georgia Conflict Goes Unheeded By His Supporters
He’s in fumbling mode now, this pro-abortion trial-balloon of his is just another misstep.
I suppose it’s easier for him than risking upsetting whomever by making a surefire, slamdunk winning case for an experienced hand in dealing with current, ongoing international crisis.
Plus, it has the added benefit of ticking off a large part of those who would have otherwise “held their noses”, so he’s hit the Daily Double here with this bit of genius.
Never.
(heh)
Mr. McCain is making the “we needed a Carter to get a Reagan” look like a viable alternative. He’s making it easier to sit this one out.
Sorry about quoting myself but…..
Today while lurking on my old outfit’s website I was reminded of the United States Navy’s unofficial motto “”Non sibi sed patriae”(Not for Self, but Country). That will be the ultimate reason why I’ll hold my nose and vote for that idiot, because Barry O would be so much worse for our country!
I don’t know about how things go between Da Bears and the Packs fans.
But I tell ya, the Viking-GBay thing is mighty serious business to some folks. Sone of ‘em will jeer and taunt Cheeseheads when they drive over the border to attend a game in Vikes land.
(But most of it is in the spirit of good, fun ” just messin with ya” rivalry.)
The Cowboys used to be downright hated in the 70s by Vikes fans, but that’s died down alot over the years esp. after the greats retired from the game (e.g. Staubach, Tarkenton and their respective comrades) Though Staubach’s playoff-winning 1975 Hail Mary pass is still a sore spot that’s sure to to get a angry grunt or harangue outta some.
It’s serious stuff, Purple Peeps. Ever since the Packer slammed Jim McMahan (man I know I butchered that last name)and broke his shoulders, the rivalry is bitter. Da Bears can lose every single game in a season but as long as they manage to beat Green Bay, the coach is safe.
I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.
–RR
John # 147–you took the …um..right out of my mouth
That would be words>>>>>
Still looking for the bravery –courage—spine —here in the US_____
waiting—-waiting—-waiting!!!!!
I would associate myself with WrathofKhans remarks.
I am not a single agenda voter, but on McCain it goes far beyond voting pro-choice or pro-life – it goes to basic Constitutional principles I am being asked to “overlook”. As others have said – I am tired of being given the choice between the lesser of two evils. I don’t want to vote for McCain. I don’t like him or his “bipartisan”, “can’t we all get along” BS. But the possibility of a Marxist in the White House scares the coon-dog crap out of me.
Still … if McCain continues to piss on my shoes and tells me “it’s raining” … I’ll stay home. Apparently I’m not alone in that idea.
Meanwhile, the Islamofascists are breeding like rabbits in the countries they’re emigrating to. In 10 years there will be no Brits left in Britain, Dutch in Holland, Spanish in Spain, etc.
Yeah – keep killing those babies for your convenience, you moron.
Very very odd.
Dad always taught me that being an adult was to have integrity.
Which meant doing what was right.
Even when no one was looking.
Or when the results were hard to swallow, or difficult to live with.
That’s why, if I spent myself into insolvency, I should do what I knew to be right: pay my creditors every last senine owed.
Not steal, not blame those who sold me what I bought. Do what is right, not expedient. Count not the cost: choose the right.
My way is clear. After studying it out in my mind, fasting and prayer, I will do what I know to be right.
# 456 Bruce…You’ve got that right!
Thank goodness the Danes have awakened!!!
One other point:
I am as offended as my Dad was that:
McCain fails to convince me he’s upto the job.
Somehow, that’s my fault.
Just like those people who bought more house than they could afford. It’s the eviiiil bank’s fault.
Just like “God’s Children” sneaking across the boader, it’s the US’s fault.
When is what McCain earns his fault? Win or Lose, he only gets what he earned. Stop the FUD
=======
1. No personal responsibility, no not that. Never That! Poor imposed on Johnny McCain. The Coservatives voted as a block for _____________, so Obama won. Its their fault! Be ashamed Conservatives!
2. Poor Conservatives! They didn’t vote for somebody who spent his time showing he held them in contempt, Obama’s elected, they get the blame.
3. Poor Conservatives! They got McCain elected! They’re still not happy! They’re still complaining! Can’t ever satisfy those principled idiots! How unnuanced! Nothing is black&white! When will they grow-up!? They’re such rubes!
——–
In only one of the three above should Conservatives really be ashamed. It is the adults who keep their head when those around them are losing theirs.
Am i the only one who thought Ridge was a terrible administrator? Absolutely incompetent.
Abortion? Really?
Will all due respect you people are your own worst enemy.
The country is in very real danger of literal destruction, and you people are worried about whether McCain’s VP candidate is pro-choice?
Yes, by all means please fight over the least likely or important of issues to come up and give the Democrats the last bit of power they’ll need to permanently change this country into a statist nightmare. Russia is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. Democrats want to cap and trade our economy into destruction. The Fairness Doctrine will shut down free speech. Illegals and crime will run rampant. Terrorists can set off an EMP, instantly making the United States a third world country. But at least we fought the good fight over abortion?!?
When we’re a Marxist third world country with no freedom of speech for conservatives or the religious, how do you think that pesky abortion issue is going to work out? Wake up!
The GOP deserves to lose with these kinds of priorities. I left the party after Illinois and am reminded it was the right choice every day. Unfortunately, the fanaticism and bad priorities are handing leadership to an incompetent racist Marxist.
Well done.
On August 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pm, purplepeep said:
No he doesn’t. Because the only place it was an “incident” is here. The only way it could be remotely construed to be an incident is with people who are doing mental gymnastics to make it an incident.
See, I even quoted it again. Too bad it wasn’t said there. The smarmy attempts to say that McCain repudiated that are simply not true. The text of his comments proves that. He did not/has not stated that Lieberman was wrong. He simply did not want to come across like he was politicizing the Georgia crisis for his own gain.
Only the people who want to be confused by it, like you, Michelle Malkin and MSNBC/CBS news. Heck, Ill bet even Obermann got it.
McCain wants to win Pennsylvania. Tom Ridge would certainly help to that end. Tom Ridge is also a good man who would was an effective leader. But no. OK, fine: Who does he have left? Romney and Huckabee have both been pilloried by the think tank here as “RINO’s”. Lets face it, no matter what he does you and yours are going to find a way to twist it in order to poison the well. Meanwhile we are 80+ days away from electing the end of the USA as a superpower.
Why start in with actual issues to get you “ticked off” when you can default back to bus tossing and trial balloons. After all, this isn’t an election to determine who is going to be president of our country at a particularly dangerous time in US history. This isn’t about someone with 50 years of service to the USA versus someone with 143 days in the senate and 20 years in the damn America church… This is the political equivalent of American idol, right?
On behalf of verbose blow-hards everywhere let me say that response was way too economical.
Sup dudes. I plan on casting my vote for the candidate that I think best represents my stances, platforms, ideologies and fashionable taste in food and music. But this candidate might not win the election. In fact, it’s very likely that he will not win the election. But I’m going to vote for him anyway because it’s my civic duty to participate in the election and even if my candidate might not win, well goshdarnit, I want him to win.
Does this make me a bad American?
Mr. Washington, Mr. Jefferson, Mr. Madison, Mr. Adams, Mr. Q. Adams, please respond. Mr. Frankin, if you’ve got a moment to opine. I’m genuinely interested in your input, sirs.
Jeddite, I intend to vote this November as well. Just not for president.
A real conservative like Palin?
McCain isn’t really pro-life, as aren’t 99% of Republicans (Nixon and Ford were pro-death). What a cowardly and disgraceful thing it is to see someone falsely sell themselves as pro-life! Our country will never recover from the moral disaster of abortion. And comrade Obama will continue to champion this sorry tradition and Republicans will continue to be half-hearted cowards.
Good question, Grizz. I like what I’ve heard (and seen!) with Palin, but I think she needs more time to prove herself as an executive, same as Bobby Jindal. They would make an awesome ticket in ’16! Who would be a good choice now? I’ve heard some good things about the South Carolina governor, Mark Sanford.
Michael Steele?! Boy, that would really piss off the dems, wouldn’t it!
…Right to LIFE—-Liberty — and the pursuit of happiness..
HMMMMM: I read that–SOMEWHERE!!!
I wounder if my representatives have read it?—
Without LIFE–the other two are moot.
Why, yes! Forget about:
rights for gitmo inmates.
effectively erase our borders
attacks on the 1st amendment.
Why, yes! Just how Reagan managed 2 landslides! By pandering to the middle! Brilliant! No one notice this ever before!
How silly are we who’ve read the documents and papers of the Founders! How much time wasted!
Just keep sliding toward slavery. You know, what Jefferson & Franklin warned us about… which is where this slide towards socialism will. end.
Assuming you’d rather not see us end as a Socialist State, at what point do we leap out of the water? Before it boils, I hope.
So, for purposes of clarification, just where do you think the line should be? Seriously.
I ask because I don’t see where your method gets us out of hot water.
My view of the importance of this selection can be best reflected by this true story. “President Teddy Roosevelt was annoyed by the tinkling of the enormous “Jefferson chandelier” in his office, and ordered it removed. “Take it to the office of the Vice President,” he said. “He doesn’t have anything to do. It will keep him awake.”
Good to see you guys are still going at it. Carry on.
Yeah, football fans do have long memories, John. That McMahon smackdown must have been mid-late 80s, I’d suppose.
The Vikes are kind of the same about beating GB, it’s a matter of pride. Doesn’t always help out the coaching staff as much, tho.
The Vike have been, in effect, in a “rebuilding” stage every year since the late 60s/70s glory days, in particular after Tarkenton and that awesome defensive line became history.
One thing the Pack had going for them was a steady QB in Favre for what, 16 years? QBs usually last about 2 years with the Vikes, then it’s start the whole offense & gameplanning from scratch again.
Heh. Or to cite the famous observation of John Nance Garner, one of FDRs VPs, the VP job is “not worth a bucket of warm spit”.
(Garner used urine in his analogy, but it still works in that more common cleaned up version.)
VP choice will be crucial for us evangelicals.
Frankly, we need to see some hope that after McCain is gone one way or another we are in a good position to have more conservatives on the Supreme Court-not more worthless liberals, and actually have some pressure to bear on the “Maaaverick”.
Otherwise it really won’t matter.
I was always a fan of the 60′s series Batman if only for the cool Batmobile with the tailfins, Alaskan Grizzly
To mix a few metaphors my pet rat’s donkey couldn’t give two hoots about what McCan’t does any more. The Republican Party is done; stick a fork in it.
Doesn’t changing the abortion laws in this country require the states to do the changing? The president has little recourse as jsmiddleton4 stated. No third party has a chance to win–we won’t survive 4 years of Obama–with the fairness doctrine revived as some democrats want–even this site might be threatened
and
I see. When we try to reawaken the R blue bloods back to Constitutional Principles, we need to grow-up and just accept whatever semi-socialist trash they want for us (item 3rd).
But the more interest point is that items 2 & 3 (in this case) exclude each other. We’re to stick to our principles, (the opposite of our Presumptive Nom.), but not work to bring those principles to practice. To work for your core principles is childish.
What astounding logic. It seems those “McCain at any price” people have thoughts processess as cogent as Dumbocrats…
Remember:
McCain’s way or te highway.
Of course this isn’t about the VP, but about the deeper situation. People are ok nominating a candidate that is exactly opposite their expressed core values, and will throw the one value they are supporting him because as soon as it becomes expedient to do so.
Kind-of like Dumbcrats…
bingo.
But people like me are commies or worse, for sticking to our guns and voting with integrity.
Go figure.
Grow up. Get in line. Quit whining. If McCain loses, it’s your fault.
Saved you the effort, jsmiddleton4/wise_man. You can thank me later.
LOL,
thanks four
I’ve always wondered what it would be like to have a VP campaign as a companion to the presidential race, the idea being voters choose the VP, not the presidential candidate. Impossible, I know, but a man can dream.
I would love if McCain chose an actual conservative (someone who’s against big government, against social engineering, etc.) and not some phony, bigoted ‘social conservative’.
Anyone who is factoring abortion into their voting decision this year should be banned from polling places for the good of the Republic anyway.
genuinely curious.
why?
abstractmind – It appears there was no substance behind the statement of SlimyBill.
zombywolf said:
Actually, the way it works is that the Supreme Court effectively determines our abortion laws, not the legislature. How do we determine who is on the Supreme Court? Through the president.
If McCain is as wishy-washy on abortion as his willingness to entertain a pro-abortion VP suggests, he isn’t likely to pick a Justice that will defend the right to life.
well, i guess we’ll see. i’m interested to hear the substance though, should there be any.
Okay, maybe I was being too melodramatic.
I just think if one recognizes what is happening in the world and nation today, lists all of the areas in which a President can have an impact, then prioritizes same, saying:
“I am going to stay home if the GOP nominee for Vice President is pro-abortion-availability!”
is pure lunacy.
I see McCain as being on the wrong side of several issues, immigration being a key one, and I am not saying he is ideal.
But whereas a child will sit for hours staring at cold spinach on his plate rather t5han give in, eat, and go outside to play, adults choose from available choices. They might not see any of the choices at utopia, but they choose.
Refusing to offset a vote for Obama is akin to staring at the cold spinach and it just doesn’t make any sense given what is at stake here.
Looked like a drive-by incendiary to me. ::shrugs::
What disappoints me is that if I were on here shouting about McCain’s position on amnesty I don’t think there would be much of a squeak. Or if I were lamenting his idiotic ideas on global warming…prolly wouldn’t hear nary a peep. But we who advocate for the right of an unborn to be born are belittled, slammed, mocked and insulted.
Sad.