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1. #101
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, cmj said:

   I hate to say this but it’s not just the youth that thinks Obama is cool. My grandmother thinks he looks good in a suit and can speak well. John McCain isn’t just attractive so she is going to vote for Obama.

   P.S. She also voted for Jesse Jackson, go figure.

2. #102
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, cpodug said:
   Grizz, I know this is really OT, but here’s the 2008 Pay Tables. Wish I’d made that much when I was in

   Agreed, but with inflation and basic bills and a family I don’t see the average enlisted guy throwing over 200 bucks to an election. Which is probably why there are only 1417 total donations between Obama and McCain that are over 200 dollars. There is what, 3 million or so on active duty in the military these days including all the mobolized Reserves (but not including the mobolized National Guard)? And there were only 1417 donations over 200 dollars to the two main contenders?

   Enlisted folk were always the ones strapped for cash when I was in. Heck, in Alaska most of us qualified for government assistance such as food stamps and what not (that we refused to take) because we made so little money.

3. #103
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, sonofdy said:

   Enlisted folk were always the ones strapped for cash when I was in.

   The biggest customers for the fort hood food bank were soldiers with families. The biggest group who got paid for giving blood were the same. Those guys are going to be giving ANYTHING to ANY campaign.

4. #104
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, cpodug said:

   I agree – the percentage of the military who donate is very small – I know I never could afford it. Whenever I was stationed stateside, I always had to work two jobs to make ends meet. If it wasn’t for on-base housing, we’d never have made it.

   But this whole side string is just another attempt to hijack the thread – sounds suspiciously like lgm’s MO.

5. #105
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, neocon527 said:

   And, Alaskan, I know I’m sarcastic. But was it all really “bull?” We all gloss over this or that to give ourselves that necessary confidence in the voting booth, but, really? Bush didn’t run as a “regular” guy you’d want to have a beer with and a Washington outsider? Come on! His campaign was run by a man who has recently referred to Obama as a country club elite, in speeches delivered at country clubs. Nothing? Not even a snicker? And Bush Sr. didn’t run the CIA or hold both the offices of Vice President and President? And these facts don’t uncover a certain disconnect in the way candidates both present themselves and the way we perceive them? Coulter didn’t smear Cleland? Corsi didn’t smear Kerry? He, like MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan, isn’t promoting his books on white power radio? John McCain didn’t say countries don’t invade other countries in the 21st Century? All of this is “bull?”

   From the way they were attacked, you’d think John Kerry and Max Cleland had dodged the draft. Disagree with them on policy all you like, dislike them as candidates, but is it really our finest hour when we degrade their service in order to win elections? McCain’s service was honorable, but it does not absolve him from tough questions. His fellow veterans in the Senate grasp this, seemingly much better than a media frightened to challenge a veteran on such matters. Perhaps they’re feeling a little guilty after having allowed it to happen to other veterans the last time.

6. #106
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, cmj said:

   Thanks for the pay tables. Its nice to see that my husband will be getting a whole $157.80 when he makes 6 years here in a few months. Not really complaining but with 3 kids things can get a bit tight and with him hardly ever home even when he is not deployed, I just wish they would pay more concidering what they have to do. And we do quilify for WIC which I have set aside my pride and do get. But don’t plan on being on it for long, going to start classes for RN here in January.

7. #107
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

   McCain’s service was honorable, but it does not absolve him from tough questions.

   From your original sarcastic post you would be hard pressed to convice me that was your intent.

   Keep that (R) next to your name and we promise to keep Ann Coulter from saying that your injuries were your own fault. Because you and only you know how to “win wars.”

   You lost me well before this one, but his own fault? Disgusting.

8. #108
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, neocon527 said:

   Ann Coulter has, on numerous occassions, said that Max Cleland’s injuries (the loss of his legs) were his own fault.

9. #109
   On August 15th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, twofoot said:

   Interesting, I tracked down and read the Center for Responsive Politics article the numbers are quoted from. A couple of interesting things…

   http://www.opensecrets.org/capital_eye/inside.php?ID=300

   Other observers say that the shift in contributions, especially to Democratic presidential candidates, is merely evidence that the military force has grown more diverse. “This shows that the military does not quite fit the stereotype of this Republican monolith,” said Joyce Raezer, chief operating officer of the National Military Family Association. “The military in a lot of ways reflects the country. It’s diverse in a lot of ways. It’s not a surprise you’d see people exercising their ability to support a variety of candidates.”

   Yea, pretty much. I suspect a lot of the Obama donations are coming from people who went in the military just to get to college, not out of any sense of patriotic duty. Just a guess.

   But an even more interesting quote.

   Younger members of the military are less likely to donate money to candidates at levels that can be measured, however. Federal Election Commission records indicate that most military donations come from officers or civilian employees.

   So the donations of civilian employees are counted as “military donations”… That’s enlightening.

10. #110
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, eaglehaslanded said:

    Ya gotta admit, it’s better image than Dukakis in the tank or Kerry in the wetsuit…or Obama bowling.

11. #111
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, cmj said:
    I hate to say this but it’s not just the youth that thinks Obama is cool. My grandmother thinks he looks good in a suit and can speak well. John McCain isn’t just attractive so she is going to vote for Obama.

    P.S. She also voted for Jesse Jackson, go figure.

    Sorry cmj, but it sounds like Grandma’s ready for the home.

12. #112
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, neocon527 said:

    If Ann Coulter had said what she said about Cleland about McCain, she’d never be allowed back on FOX. That’s my point. I doubt Mary Matalin would publish a book by Corsi if it was about how McCain struck a deal with the VC or brought his capture on himself or some other specious, noxious claim. But she has allowed this hateful, 9/11 conspiracy having nut to publish another book about the Dem. candidate, in order to win. Not to get the “truth” out about Kerry or Obama but to spread as many lies and innuendos around as they can, in order to poison the water.

13. #113
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, Trollman said:

    neocon527 said:

    Ann Coulter has, on numerous occassions, said that Max Cleland’s injuries (the loss of his legs) were his own fault.

    Do you know how he actually lost those 3 limbs? It wasn’t in combat…

14. #114
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    John McCain didn’t say countries don’t invade other countries in the 21st Century?

    I could be wrong, because I’m not on top of “all” news but wasn’t this just another misquote from McCain where he meant to parrot Bush’s

    “Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century,” Bush said in a televised statement.

    A gaffe by McCain to be sure, that he left that part out. But your post was still mostly all “bull”.

15. #115
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, sugarandsass said:

    Just a question…If Barry is so young and strong, how come he had to take the vacation and McCain is still going? I’m a little confused…

16. #116
    On August 15th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, neocon527 said:

    The 2nd of the 12th Cavalry was engaged in a combat operation at the time of this incident. Max Cleland was with the Battalion Forward Command Post in heavy combat involving the attack of the 1st Cavalry Division up the valley to relieve the Marines who were besieged and surrounded at the Khe Shan Firebase. The whole surrounding area was an active combat zone (some might call the entire country of Vietnam a combat zone). (Is Iraq a combat zone?) Max, the Battalion Signal Officer, was engaged in a combat mission I personally ordered to increase the effectiveness of communications between the battalion combat forward and rear support elements: e.g. Erect a radio relay antenna on a mountain top. By the way, at one point the battalion rear elements came under enemy artillery fire so everyone was in harms way.

    As they were getting off the helicopter, Max saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. Soldiers in combat don’t leave grenades lying around on the ground. Later, in the hospital, he said he thought it was his own but I doubt the concept of “ownership” went through his mind in the split seconds involved in reaching for the grenade. Nearly two decades later another soldier came forward and admitted it was actually his grenade. Does ownership of the grenade really matter? It does not.

    Maury Cralle’
    Battalion Executive Officer
    2d/12th Cavalry Battalion
    1st Air Cavalry Division
    During the assault on Khe Shan

17. #117
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Sigh, I don’t wish to diss on a members military service. But you at least could have given a link to verify. I hate Wikipedia, but even they have a different account than you do:

    On April 8, with a month left in his tour, Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay station on a nearby hill. A helicopter flew him and two soldiers to the treeless top of Hill 471, east of Khe Sanh. Cleland knew some of the soldiers camped there from Operation Pegasus. He told the pilot he was going to stay a while. Maybe have a few beers with friends.
    When the helicopter landed, Cleland jumped out, followed by the two soldiers. They ducked beneath the rotors and turned to watch the liftoff. Cleland reached down to pick up the grenade he believed had popped off his flak jacket. The blast slammed him backward, shredding both his legs and one arm. He was 25 years old…
    David Lloyd was a gung-ho, 19-year-old enlisted Marine, son of a Baltimore ship worker, who went to Vietnam because he “wanted to kill Communists.”
    On April 8, 1968, he was in a mortar pit on a hill near Khe Sanh when he heard an explosion. Shrapnel bounced off his flak jacket. He ran to the injured officer, a man named Max Cleland. ‘Hold on there, captain,’ Lloyd told Cleland. ‘The chopper will be here in a minute.’
    Lloyd took off his web belt and tied it around one of Cleland’s shredded legs. When the medics arrived, he left to help another injured soldier — one of the two who had gotten off a helicopter with Cleland.
    That soldier was crying. ‘It was mine,’ he said, ‘it was my grenade.’
    According to Lloyd, the private had failed to take the extra precaution that experienced soldiers did when they grabbed M26 grenades from the ammo box: bend the pins, or tape them in place, so they couldn’t accidentally dislodge. This soldier had a flak jacket full of grenades with treacherously straight pins, Lloyd says. “He was a walking death trap.”[4]
    Due to the severity of his injuries, doctors amputated both his legs above the knee and his right forearm.[5]

18. #118
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, UberInfidel67 said:

    A little ditty my Mom used to sing:

    Barack (really it was Alice), where are you going?
    Upstairs to take a bath.
    Barack got legs like toothpicks….
    and a neck like a giraffe….
    Barack got in the bathtub,
    Barack pulled out the plug…
    OH MY GOODNESS, BLESS MY SOUL
    THERE GOES BARACK DOWN THE HOLE!!

19. #119
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, katieanne said:

    I remember that song well only we used to sing about AnnaMay. Certainly applies to Barack…ROFLOL

20. #120
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, Trollman said:

    From Coulter:

    Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman ? or what Cleland sneeringly calls “weekend warriors.” Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam.

    There is more than a whiff of dishonesty in how Cleland is presented to the American people.

    He was brave for willing to serve, particularly in a time of war. But his wounds were the result of his own personal, careless mistake.

21. #121
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, chapoutier said:

    True, he didn’t marry well or inherit. But he hardly earned it well, since he was in fact a product of one of the most corrupt political machines in the history of the world.

    Was that before or after he became head of the most prestigious law review in the world? My memory is hazy.

22. #122
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, neocon527 said:

    Should we take his Silver Star and his Bronze Star back?

23. #123
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    Just a question…If Barry is so young and strong, how come he had to take the vacation and McCain is still going? I’m a little confused…

    One candidate had his nomination wrapped up in February. The other had to campaign pretty much nonstop into June to secure his.

24. #124
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, neocon527 said:
    Should we take his Silver Star and his Bronze Star back?

    He was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat, including during the Battle of Khe Sanh on April 4th, 1968.

    On April 8, 1968, Captain Cleland was the Battalion Signal Officer for the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division during the Battle of Khe Sanh.[3]

    On April 8, with a month left in his tour, Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay station on a nearby hill.

    (the rest is above, no need to repost the whole thing)

    And no, he earned those honors in combat 4 days before accidently dropping a grenade that he forgot to bend or tape the pin on. He provided a great service to his nation and I commend him for that.

25. #125
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, DaveC said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    One candidate had his nomination wrapped up in February. The other had to campaign pretty much nonstop into June to secure his.

    CHAOS…

26. #126
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, sonofdy said:

    Was that before or after he became head of the most prestigious law review in the world? My memory is hazy.

    After. About the same time he started attending a church that pushes race based marxism.

27. #127
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    And no we should not take those honors back

    *self-edit/correction

28. #128
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, Trollman said:

    neocon527 said:

    Should we take his Silver Star and his Bronze Star back?

    So you now admit you were wrong in accusing Coulter? I didn’t realize we were discussing medals…

29. #129
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:15 pm, Armed said:

    He swims like a 12-year-old girl.

30. #130
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I wonder if Obama could do a show for the Travel Channel?

31. #131
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, max said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, sonofdy said:
    johnyd

    Here you go

    “Obama’s the One”

    i like the photoshop sonofdy…

    fyi… it just occurred to me that as I recall Nixon’s slogan in (’68 or ’72?) was “Nixon’s the One…”

32. #132
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, chapoutier said:

    After. About the same time he started attending a church that pushes race based marxism.

    ZING!

33. #133
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, neocon527 said:

    Sorry. No. This is still nasty:

    Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman – or what Cleland sneeringly calls “weekend warriors.” Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam.

34. #134
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, derel3433 said:

    Real men swim in swimming holes with leeches and stuff.

35. #135
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, sonofdy said:

    i like the photoshop sonofdy…

    Can’t claim it. I googled obama walking on water and picked one.

36. #136
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, JT said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, lgm said:

    He’s young enough to remember current events like the breakup of Czechoslovakia a decade ago.

    Yeah but the Messiah thinks Canada has a President.

37. #137
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, neocon527 said:

    Gaffe-tastic?

    My friends, we have reached a crisis, the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War. This is an act of aggression.

38. #138
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, Trollman said:

    neocon527 said:

    Sorry. No. This is still nasty:

    But we weren’t talking about Coulter (sometimes) being nasty and abrasive, we were talking about your accusation here:

    neocon527 said:

    Ann Coulter has, on numerous occassions, said that Max Cleland’s injuries (the loss of his legs) were his own fault.

    His injuries, sadly, were the result of his own mistake. That you cannot admit this, and repeatedly try to change the subject, proves you are a dishonest person. We can’t always be right, but we can at least have the integrity to admit our mistakes.

39. #139
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Yeah but the Messiah thinks Canada has a President.

    and the US has 57 states.

40. #140
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, cicerokid said:

    What was that guy doing at the beginning of the video clip? Chumming for sharks?

41. #141
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, Trollman said:

    Misscheryl said:

    Yeah but the Messiah thinks Canada has a President.

    and the US has 57 states.

    See, you only think he was mistaken because you look at the “old politics”. Obama, bringer of hope and hawtness, is about “the new”. He looks forward to the day when we annex 7 more states into America – Mexico, South America, Asia, Europe, Australia, Africa, and Antartica.

42. #142
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I still want to know though why some (many) insist on following a man who has promised to take us into a political situation which NEVER has worked anywhere on planet earth.

43. #143
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Note to the Secret Service – people get knocked off those rocks by big waves on a fairly regular basis and many drown. Not a good move letting him stand out there.

44. #144
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    I believe it was when I referenced your album the last time, to refut his claim about it just being “Obama photoshop jobs”, that sent him over the edge and he contacted PhotoBucket, BM. Sorry.

    It sent him into conniption fits. Actually, a link I made to the swoop-n-poop book image on the same thread probably didn’t help either. Well, there was the reference the day or so too. They were just too good to not use.

45. #145
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, neocon527 said:

    Context. I said what I said about Coulter v. Cleland because you seemed to think I had made a remark about McCain.
    Yes, his injuries were self inflicted.

    And the zeal with which she has covered this fact, including deeming him lucky to have done so in Vietnam, instead of Fort Dix, is what made me and many others sick to our stomachs.

    My point, again, is that I find it hard to imagine if a (R) was next to Max Cleland’s name, Ann Coulter would ever have said a thing. But, for whatever reason, deeming him “lucky” or smearing John Kerry was acceptable behavior because of their political affiliations.

46. #146
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, SHoward said:

    Chap,

    That’s why I qualified my statement at the end. Maybe he did that, but that doesn’t take away much of the stink. Here’s the question:

    Whatever he earned from that, does it account for his reported net worth? Is it possible much of his wife’s earnings were a result of his position in politics?

    I only bring these things up because it is quite plausible that although he didn’t marry into money he may not have earned every cent of net worth the hard way. And I say that to answer lgm’s implication that he did.

47. #147
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, lgm said:

    Translation: “Oooooooobaaaaammmmaaaaa! You are my hero! May I dance for yooooooouuuuuu?!”

    That’s for those of you that don’t speak in the tongue of lgm.

48. #148
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, neocon527 said

    If Ann hasn’t said it, I will…McCain was in some ways “lucky” to get captured. It’s fairly unlikely his political career would be where it is today had he not been captured.
    If that’s a statement you perceive to be a “smear”, so be it. Just the truth as I see it.
    My definition of smear involves lies about the person.

49. #149
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, Trollman said:

    neocon527 said:

    Context. I said what I said about Coulter v. Cleland because you seemed to think I had made a remark about McCain.
    Yes, his injuries were self inflicted.

    Nope. Go back and read the context, you got me confused with alaskangrizzly.

    neocon527 said:

    And the zeal with which she has covered this fact, including deeming him lucky to have done so in Vietnam, instead of Fort Dix, is what made me and many others sick to our stomachs.

    Context is key. Why was she pointing this out?

50. #150
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Barry F. said:

    Or, maybe it was “May I towel yooooooooou off?!”

    That lgm dialect is so tricky sometimes.

51. #151
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, gridlock said:

    That guy who snaked his wave is lucky the Secret Service did not shoot him.

52. #152
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, abqalan said:

    Wow! I’m in LOVE. That does it. I’m convinced he’s the ONE. I’m gonna vote for him. SEVERAL times!!! Seriously, what can the AP do to top this? Don’t even want to think about it. LGM probably had to lower his thermostat to cool off. What would his liberal masters say to that?

53. #153
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, chapoutier said:

    After, Obama presided over Volume 4, the least cited volume, of The Harvard Law Review.

54. #154
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, abqalan said:

    …LGM probably had to lower his thermostat to cool off. What would his liberal masters say to that?

    Surely he turned the lights off to compensate for the increased energy demand by the A/C for that little period of quiet time he had.

55. #155
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, Joy said:

    Gag!

56. #156
    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    After, Obama presided over Volume 4, the least cited volume, of The Harvard Law Review.

    Didja catch the last sentence?

    “An editor does not control the quality of articles he was given that year.”

57. #157
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, iamsaved said:

    I’m afraid Obama swimming during the Russian incursion into Georgia (no I’m not a supporter of Barrack Obama) is no worse than President Bush watching the Olympics. Neither could have known that the Russians were going to attack.

    What’s important is how they handled themselves after the fact. Obama’s statements didn’t inspire respect or leadership. George Bush followed with “paper tiger” roars only after John McCain made bold and decisive statements. His problem is he can’t do anything about it at the moment.

    Ever since the invasion, all the U.S. has done is give empty threats and warnings which don’t even come close to instilling fear in the Russians. I believe all they are doing is laughing up their sleeves at the fearsome United States and their idle threats of “you better not do that anymore”.

    I have a feeling what happened in Georgia is the beginning of greater trouble to come and stories about the cheating Chinese gymnasts, inane laws that were passed in LA providing way stations for illegals on Home Depot lots, and Obama swimming in the surf will pale in comparison.

    Oh, and I don’t think we can count on the Europeans to do anything but turn their backs and abandaon the U.S and the former Russian satellites.

    This country is in deep trouble if it doesn’t start standing for something and do other than bloviate with empty rhetoric.

58. #158
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, Misscheryl said:
    Yeah but the Messiah thinks Canada has a President.
    and the US has 57 states.

    If you are going to lay this one out, you have to get it right. It is 60 states.

    Campaigned in 57
    with 1 to go
    doesn’t include 2 (Alaska and Hawaii where he was not going to campaign)

    57+1+2=60 (unless you are lgm then it is 50 because it would make him feel good).

    Just saying!

59. #159
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, max said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, derel3433 said:
    Real men swim in swimming holes with leeches and stuff.

    real men noodle…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biL-QcviQGk

60. #160
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, max said:

    even better noodling sequence
    “Just git on ‘im!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAgw6d3kLPI&feature=related

61. #161
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, Misscheryl said:

    On-my-soap-box said:

    Thanks for the correction! :0)

62. #162
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    Wouldn’t make him much of an “editor”, I wouldn’t think. The ivy league must define it differently than the rest of us. We are talking about Harvard, after all.

63. #163
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, Barry F. said:

    By the way, how does that last sentence contrast with the Review‘s statement about their editors?

    Student editors make all editorial and organizational decisions…

64. #164
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, Adlib said:

    Re: the “he’s cool” thing…
    My roommate from college said that she’s still not sure who to vote for, and that the political commercials don’t really tell her anything about either candidate. I’m all “wtf?” Since when do people base their vote on a COMMERCIAL??? (I think she’ll vote for McCain, who knows. I can’t talk about politics with my friends because I frequently end up wanting to kill them.)

65. #165
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, mojack420 said:

    at this time i would like to invite the ONE out to northern Cal for some body surfing fun . Just remember put on this seal colored body suit and cover your self in chum to help you glide on the surf .

66. #166
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, purplepeep said:

    iamsaved said:
    I’m afraid Obama swimming during the Russian incursion into Georgia (no I’m not a supporter of Barrack Obama) is no worse than President Bush watching the Olympics. Neither could have known that the Russians were going to attack.

    What’s important is how they handled themselves after the fact. Obama’s statements didn’t inspire respect or leadership. George Bush followed with “paper tiger” roars only after John McCain made bold and decisive statements.

    Yup, IAS and what should also be factored in is the fact that a President, unlike a candidate, is never “off the job” nor can ever really be on vacation. That’s why he has the officer with the “football”, the briefcase with the nuclear launch codes, always near at hand.

    I have a feeling what happened in Georgia is the beginning of greater trouble to come

    I agree. It seems the Bear is once again on the prowl to seriously start reigning in her former “adopted” cubs with the same ol’ brutal savagery of yesteryear.

67. #167
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, Trollman said:

    neocon527 said:

    And the zeal with which she has covered this fact, including deeming him lucky to have done so in Vietnam, instead of Fort Dix, is what made me and many others sick to our stomachs.

    And I responded with:

    Context is key. Why was she pointing this out?

    So neocon527 responded with:

    (sound of crickets)

    Here, let me help you out with the context of why Coulter was going after Cleland. From Coulter:

    He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman ? or what Cleland sneeringly calls “weekend warriors.” Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam…

    Cleland wore the uniform, he was in Vietnam, and he has shown courage by going on to lead a productive life. But he didn’t “give his limbs for his country,” or leave them “on the battlefield.” There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight. That could have happened in the Texas National Guard ? which Cleland denigrates while demanding his own sanctification.

    Coulter went after Cleland for denigrating the honorable service of others. Why did Cleland do this? To score political points. The very thing you condemn Coulter for.

    If you were truly concerned about people attacking other people’s service for political gain, (rather than smearing those who disagree with you) you would admit you were wrong and now condemn Cleland.

    Got integrity?

68. #168
    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:58 pm, Barry F. said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, Barry F. said:

    By the way, how does that last sentence contrast with the Review’s statement about their editors?

    Student editors make all editorial and organizational decisions…

    Sorry, I forgot to paste part of it over from their site…

    The Review publishes articles by professors, judges, and practitioners and solicits reviews of important recent books from recognized experts. All articles—even those by the most respected authorities—are subjected to a rigorous editorial process designed to sharpen and strengthen substance and tone. (emphasis mine)

    So, how did he “not control the quality of articles he was given that year?”

69. #169
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, happyscrapper said:

    #18 About that little ditty, “Alice, where are you going”? I used to sing that to my little girl. I never could figure out why, when she was done with her bath, I started letting the water out of the tub and she frantically scrambled out of the tub like she was on fire. Years later she told me she thought she was going to go down the drain. Some songs and fairy tales really do have unintended effects!

70. #170
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, sonofdy said:

    So, how did he “not control the quality of articles he was given that year?”

    The only way that Obama could not have had control over the content is if he didn’t do his job as editor. Just saying…

71. #171
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, dakine said:

    Barry F., your best case against Obama really isn’t going after his academic credentials. Trust me, in the legal world it doesn’t get much better than a Harvard Law JD, let alone being president of the Law Review and graduating magna cum laude. You’re being petty. His academic credentials are exemplary. There’s plenty of other stuff to attack.

72. #172
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    So, how did he “not control the quality of articles he was given that year?”

    I have been on a very good law review and I can tell you that almost all of the work, beyond checking for typos and style issues, is to make sure that the citations are in proper blue book format. A third year law student is not going to have much if any, control over the substance of an article. All they can do is cite check and pretty it up as much as possible. I don’t care what Harvard says.

    And beyond that, a whole range of issues goes into citation numbers. They publish maybe 15 or so articles a year. If even one of those articles becomes basically irrelevant, for whatever reason, that can have a major impact.

    But whatever. He was editor of freaking Harvard Law Review. In a few days we are going to have the 100m dash in the Olympics. The guy that comes in 8th is still pretty damn fast, wouldn’t you agree?

73. #173
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    “An editor does not control the quality of articles he was given that year.”

    Then why would we give him any brownie points for being editor?

74. #174
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, chapoutier said:

    Then why would we give him any brownie points for being editor?

    No one said it wasn’t a tough position with a lot of responsibility. And if nothing else, you have to deal with a lot of huge egos (a/k/a authors). There is a LOT of work involved and they really only choose the best of the best to be EIC.

75. #175
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Barry F. said:

    I believe it was when I referenced your album the last time, to refut his claim about it just being “Obama photoshop jobs”, that sent him over the edge and he contacted PhotoBucket, BM. Sorry.

    It sent him into conniption fits. Actually, a link I made to the swoop-n-poop book image on the same thread probably didn’t help either. Well, there was the reference the day or so too. They were just too good to not use.

    Na, it was’nt your fault at all lgm needs to buy a sense of humor, in fact most liberals do, thats the only way they can get one they don’t come by them naturaly.

    lgm is a liberal he does’nt believe in freedom of speech or photoshop parity, he does’nt understand that when you put a pic on the net unless it is copyright it is public domain so here is his web site to reference his mug, you can just tell he’s nothing more than a puckered up a$$.

    Are you going to complain to Michelle lgm about me putting access to your site up here now. Just wait till my web site goes up on my server then you will have no recourse shmuck.

76. #176
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm, sonofdy said:

    There is a LOT of work involved and they really only choose the best of the best to be EIC.

    Thats what I would have thought, but then why the disclaimer? Hell who cares? But it does show his cocaine and weed use can’t have screwed him up too much.

77. #177
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm, chapoutier said:

    Trust me, in the legal world it doesn’t get much better than a Harvard Law JD, let alone being president of the Law Review and graduating magna cum laude.

    Not summa? Pfffft. What an intellectual lightweight.

78. #178
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And if nothing else, you have to deal with a lot of huge egos (a/k/a authors).

    I’m sure that’s the case. Actually I know it’s an honor to be chosen, in probably the best law school these 57 states have ever seen.

79. #179
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    But it does show his cocaine and weed use can’t have screwed him up too much.

    It may have helped.

80. #180
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    graduating magna cum laude.

    He’s from Hawaii, I’m pretty sure that’s Magma Cum Laude…

81. #181
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, sonofdy said:

    probably the best law school these 57 states have ever seen.

    What about the other 3?

    It may have helped.

    Based on alot of the legal system I have seen, most laywers and judges are either regular uses or puff up for new ideas.

82. #182
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    I’m wondering if “Jonathan Goodman” is just some poor schmuck who lgm posed as to be a smartass.

    Why would a troll like lgm post a link to his personal website on a conservative blog where his sole purpose is to stir crap.

    Think about it.

83. #183
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    What about the other 3?

    We haven’t been there to find out, but we plan to go…

84. #184
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, chapoutier said:

    Based on alot of the legal system I have seen, most laywers and judges are either regular uses or puff up for new ideas.

    I can honestly say I have never ever used pot (or any other drug). I look to the bottle for my inspiration.

85. #185
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, sonofdy said:

    oohhh come on chapoutier, not even a little puff??? I admit I inhaled. (ahhem religous practice yeah thats right religous…)

86. #186
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    I’m going to weep. No, I’m going to do a happy dance.

    Ooooooh.

    Michele you have such a great sense of humor…this man is just plain scary…NObama nation in my book…will never even consider the obamination…he shouldn’t even be a senator let alone a candidate for prez….

87. #187
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, an-artist said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, sonofdy said:
    I have hit this as well. What the f#$% is wrong with this generation.

    i am 25 and i can see right through obama’s crap and the media orgasm over him is disgusting to me, so not all of us are stupid. however, you are right in feeling the way you do – most people my age have succumbed to the indoctrination that infests our colleges these days.

88. #188
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, chapoutier said:

    oohhh come on chapoutier, not even a little puff??? I admit I inhaled. (ahhem religous practice yeah thats right religous…)

    Just never hung with anyone that did it. I think I was around pot 3 times in my life, at parties. If I had friends that did it I am sure I would have tried at some point.

    But sniffing glue doesn’t count right?

89. #189
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    But sniffing glue doesn’t count right?

    Tha explains the model airplane collection in your attic…

90. #190
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, sonofdy said:

    But sniffing glue doesn’t count right?

    If it is for RELIGOUS reasons, it makes it okay.

91. #191
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, sonofdy said:

    All hail the model airplane god and the god of weed, and drug laws ignored, amen.

92. #192
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, chapoutier said:

    If it is for RELIGOUS reasons, it makes it okay.

    I KNEW that some day, somehow I would regret being an atheist.

    I just always assumed it would be on my death bed.

93. #193
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    PBoilermaker said:
    I’m wondering if “Jonathan Goodman” is just some poor schmuck who lgm posed as to be a smartass.

    Why would a troll like lgm post a link to his personal website on a conservative blog where his sole purpose is to stir crap.

    Think about it.

    Your forgetting most liberals don’t think of the consequences of their actions or policies until it’s to late.

94. #194
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, CyberCipher said:

    Omigod. He is so buff. He is so HAWT. Look at his chest. Look at his arms. Ooooooh. Turn this way, Barry. Mmmmm. No, no, turn around again.

    Is this what it feels like to visit a porn site?

    My collie says:

    Maybe this is just Michelle’s answer to the HotAir humping robot.

    I feel a compelling need to shower.

    My collie says:

    Frankly, I don’t see what the big fuss is. From the looks of those photos, I can assure you that I’ve buried meatier bones than that in CC’s backyard.

    Yeah, but just think how long you could chew on those ears.

95. #195
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    Is this what it feels like to visit a porn site?

    I…um…wouldn’t know anything about that.

96. #196
    On August 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pm, neocon527 said:

    Relax, Troll. If Coulter is wrong for what she said about Cleland and Cleland is wrong for what he said about Bush. And I’m wrong for only defending Cleland and you’re wrong for only defending Coulter, we’re at zero.

    Cue the crickets.

97. #197
    On August 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On August 15th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, chapoutier said:

    True, he didn’t marry well or inherit. But he hardly earned it well, since he was in fact a product of one of the most corrupt political machines in the history of the world.

    Was that before or after he became head of the most prestigious law review in the world? My memory is hazy.

    From the Boston Globe
    http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/28/at_harvard_law_a_unifying_voice/

    In the fall of 1989, when Obama returned to campus for his second year, students were protesting the lack of minority law school faculty. They staged sit-ins in the law library, camped outside the office of Dean Robert C. Clark, and carried signs that read “Diversity Now” and “Homogeneity Feeds Hatred.” The tensions continued the following spring, reaching a high when Derrick A. Bell Jr., the first tenured black professor at the school, resigned in protest. Obama was a member of the Black Law Students Association, which organized many demonstrations that spring. But he was less confrontational than some of his peers.

    “Barack was a stabilizing influence in that he would absolutely support those efforts, but was also someone who could discuss and debate them with students or faculty who had different views,” said Professor Charles J. Ogletree Jr., who became Harvard’s seventh tenured black professor in 1993.

    In February 1990, when the time came to elect a new president of the law review, Obama was initially reluctant, said Nix Hines. The presidency seemed better suited for careerist types who were aiming for positions at top-flight law firms, Obama told her at the time. The son of a black Kenyan father and a white mother from Kansas, he wanted to return to his work in Chicago as a community organizer.

    “I was surprised because I knew he was very popular and well-regarded and obviously had the ability to do the job,” Nix Hines said.

    But at a dinner at Obama’s apartment, an older black student challenged Obama and other black students to compete for the job. “And I do remember Barack saying that was the moment he finally decided, ‘I’m going to do this,’ ” said Mack.

    The law review president’s election is a fussy affair, part intellectual debate, part frat house ritual. Obama was one of 19 candidates. As the 61 editors not running for the job debated the merits of the candidates behind closed doors on a Sunday morning in late February, the hopefuls cooked them breakfast, lunch, and dinner . Every few hours, the editors winnowed the list further, until just after midnight, when only Obama and a 24-year-old Harvard graduate named David Goldberg remained contenders .

    At about 12:30 a.m., the editors called Obama into the room, told him he had won, and broke into applause. Mack, another black editor, pulled Obama in for a hug.

    “It was a hard hug, and it lasted a while,” Obama told the Harvard Law Record, the school newspaper, at the time. “At that point, I realized this was not just an individual thing. . . but something much bigger.”

    Emphasis mine. From the way this article was written, one has to wonder how much of that those “civil rights tensions” entered into the decision to elect him president of the HLR.

    Was the Globe insinuating something?

98. #198
    On August 15th, 2008 at 5:24 pm, taylork said:

    Latest Obama news:
    
    A 5.5 mile section of I-25 will close during Obama’s convention speech on Thursday

    One of, if not the biggest, traffic spots in the mountain region gets closed during rush hour for the messiah.

    Who knew he had the power to stop traffic for miles at a time?

99. #199
    On August 15th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, sonofdy said:

    WOW taylork, Obamas almost as powerfull as Darth Malkin!!!

100. #200
     On August 15th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, Scooter36 said:

     Obama is more physically fit for the day to day operations of being a world leader. McCain is, obviously, not. These are the facts. Love it or leave it.