Texas teachers can pack heat
I think this is good news: School campuses in one Texas district will no longer be self-protection-free zones. The district has approved rule changes allowing teachers to carry guns:
When classes start Aug. 25 in the tiny Harrold school district, there will be one distinct difference from years prior: Some of the teachers may have guns.
To deter and protect against school shootings, trustees have altered district policy to allow employees to carry concealed weapons if they have a state permit and permission from the administration. The 110-student district lies 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth on the eastern end of Wilbarger County, near the Oklahoma border.
More than a dozen state legislatures have considered making it legal to carry guns on college campuses, but experts and officials contacted by the Star-Telegram say the move is unheard of in elementary or secondary schools.
Superintendent David Thweatt said a main concern was that the small community is a 30-minute drive from the sheriff’s office, leaving students and teachers without protection.
‘To be prepared’
The district’s lone campus sits 500 feet from heavily trafficked U.S. 287, which could make it a target, Thweatt said.
Other security measures are in place, including one-way access to enter the school, state-of-the-art surveillance cameras and electric locks on doors. But after the Virginia Tech massacre and the Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania, Thweatt felt he had to take further action, he said.
“When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that’s when all of these shootings started,” Thweatt said. “Why would you put it out there that a group of people can’t defend themselves? That’s like saying ’sic ’em’ to a dog.”
Now, that’s an “example for the nation.”
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They don’t allow guns in schools and court houses ? What bunch of pansy liberals !
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I’m glad I don’t have kids because the schools in So. Cal are horrible. Yet, the press tries to make them seem like they are the best in the world.
Would you brag about these numbers?
Amen, #19!!!!!
I love it that these teachers can carry since the local
law is so far away.
I probably shouldn’t even bother, but…
Stereotypes and regurgitation of a portion of a phrase that comes from George Bernard Shaw’s play Man and Superman (specifically Maxims for Revolutionists which is appended to the play) shows a lack of knowledge and credibility on your part. It refers to revolutionaries and comes from a work of fiction.
…and for the teachers the school is the work-place so this is doubly good in that it sets a work place-precedent too.
Those schools just became SAFE again.
If universities would give full scholarships to ex-military, have them go through monthly drug/alcohol testing, require weekly time on the firing range (with college credit), and have them carry concealed weapons on campus, they’re would never be another Virginia Tech tragedy. If scumbag Sam had the idea of blowing away his classmates, he’d have to think that there may be several former Marines in the class with Glocks, that are not going to lie down on the floor and beg for their lives. That would stop it….COLD.
These killers are cowards. Cowards don’t make statements in front of armed heroes. They go where the “NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED” signs are posted.
Anyone that disagrees with this is an absolute Idiot. It’s called common sense and too many have PC’d that away.
One word: Outstanding.
Really? Cause as I recall the Virginia Tech guy shot himself after he was done. Clearly he wasn’t too concerned with getting out of there alive.
I also wonder how many of the school shooters would think it was “cool” to take out the teacher with the gun…since they plan on dying anyway.
Did you ever see the movie, Predator? That warrior only wanted to fight humans with weapons…
The teacher without a gun may not be any fun or challenge…
Sorry for the typos. I was just too passionate about this topic. “There” not “they’re” and “former”, not “ex.” Also, periodic pyschological exams performed by local professionals, not by the wannabes at the University.
Shooting “himself after he was done,” says it all. If he knew he wouldn’t be “done” cause someone would shoot him first would be the deterrent. He WAS on a suicide mission, no doubt, but he wanted to KILL first. If he felt he wouldn’t be able to kill anyone, and that his end wouldn’t be at his own hand, then he wouldn’t have attempted it. Your argument is weak. I suspect you’d be on the floor begging for your life when he walked up. That’s a real plan (for sheep heading to slaughter).
Rob, you seem to have trouble finding credible sources. When you are trying to back up your position, you need FACTS. You have just cited someone’s opinion as a basis for your argument. In case you didn’t notice, you are quoting someone you say is “not the sharpest pencil in the box.” ROFL
No, he might not have been concerned about getting out alive since he did turn the gun on himself, but he wouldn’t have had the free reign to gun down as many people as he wanted before doing so.
You seem to have uncanny insight into the criminal mind. Where does it come from?
I suspect you don’t know a damn thing about me.
None of this is to say that CC would not provide effective mitigation of these nut jobs, i.e, take him out before he does more damage, but you have zero proof that some wacko like the guy at VT, who knows he is going to die and in fact wants to, would be deterred.
That’s the beauty of concealed weapons. No one knows who is carrying the gun. That bit of mystery is part of the deterrent.
Rob, re: #108 I don’t think there is much to be gained by trying to second guess insane people… being protected is better than not. Period.
And enough with the movies already… drawing a relationship between VA tech & Praedator is a bit over the top, no?
teachman2… I don’t care if EVERYONE has guns. Most people are a waste of space anyway. We are all going to die.. let’s just make it like the OK Corral and at least it will be intersting.
Let’s avoid Yeats’ prediction, and arm everyone… including Mr Weatherby and Ms Grundy….
Maybe, but it was a damn good movie!
…but it was a damn good movie!
Sigh, true that. But your boy Arnie sure screwed up Cali, no?
LOL I just love it when coherent argument makes the other side flustered and disjointed.
red, I agree. There’s no failsafe, but allowing a person to protect themselves is the best choice.
teachem,
who exactly are you talking about?
This will dovetail nicely with the Bush initiative to get returning vets to go into teaching. Maybe with an influx of GI’s in front of the class, we can finally get rid of those commie scum sucking NEA weasel pimps and end the indoctrination campaign the kids have had to deal with for the past 40 years.
Move to san fran you GBS loving (he was gay) hippie liberal !
World will be so much better if everyone had a gun (or two, or AK-47)
Texas is on my list of possible next residences now more than ever.
teachem2 re:
red, I agree. There’s no failsafe, but allowing a person to protect themselves is the best choice.
Hey, take it from someone who lives in a place where protecting one’s self is a criminal act… this is almost as refreshing as Heller.
Breaking THREAD: but not really>>>the need to stand strong on the Second Amendment!!!:::::
Head’s up–
Somalis in Minnesota-roughing up “Whites”-because they “hate whites”–>>>>>
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/somali-immigrants-in-minnesota-target.html#comments
Somalis in Tenn. given Islam holiday over Labor Day by Tyson- since rescinded-because of the out-cry of US citizens-Labor Day re-instated….
I read about this very early this morning. A normally uninteresting newsletter about government linked to a story on the Ft Worth Star Telegram. I sat up straight and said out loud, “Lord, I love living here.” North Texas, that is.
I guess I’m not surprised this is going to be an “issue.” But I’m glad the voices of common sense are right here. God bless Harrold, TX.
Christian Soldier re: 2nd A./Somalis in Tenn. (Somalis in Tenn??? WTF) Bingo! The 2nd amendment was partially intended as a check against BAD GOVERNMENT. Why in the name of Mom & Apple pie are there Somalis in Tennessee in the first freakin place!
I hear you brooklyn red and christian soldiers. This election is a sad one for us immigrant haters. I hope someone like Michelle was a contender in this election who will look out for white’s rights.
It would be really cool if they could form teams and engage in some friendly competitive shooting! Bowling pin knock downs during the mid-morning break!
usa_usa re: This election is a sad one for us immigrant haters.
For the record I am not a hater of legal immigrants being 2nd generation myself. I am however a hater of a government/society that imports the infantry of an army hell bent on our destruction into to our heartland to process chicken.
It is called a knife… buy the whole chicken & cut it up yourself, and btw re #125 (AK’s) I don’t do commie hardware.
Just saying.
…and while I am at it please show some proper respect and use upper case letters (USA) when refering to this great nation.
juss sayin:)
And one might argue that “safe” sex is potentially more deadly to more people, given the nature of many STDs, not the least of which being AIDS.
And you can have “safe” sex across state lines.
And you don’t need the FBI to check you out prior to doing it.
And you don’t have to pay a fee to do it.
And a certain percentage, likely larger than the analogous percentage of gun owners, use sex to intimidate and assault people.
I’ll take the gun, thank you.
Okay, maybe if you use prostitutes, you have to pay a fee. But, unlike the government, at least you know where it is going!
I am a proud hater of all immigrants that don’t assimilate and fly the Mexican flag or sue to wear their Muslim headscarves… I want them deported and never allowed back in.
This Rob guy goes from citing silly Sci-Fi movies to Archie comic books - seems to me he could maybe hold a credible discussion with my niece, but she stopped reading Archie comic books when she was 10.
Does anybody take Rob seriuosly? if so, why?
Hey, Archie is good stuff! Casper the Friendly Ghost is going through a great plot right now too…. you see, Spooky is flirting with Wendy, and like, Casper is soooo bummed… yo dude… get with it.
On August 15th, 2008 at 10:05 pm, Dimsdale said:
Okay, maybe if you use prostitutes, you have to pay a fee. But, unlike the government, at least you know where it is going!
You may see a difference between prostitutes & government, but I see your
reference & raise you Spitzer & Edwards.
Uhhhhh…. words fail me here. You quoted GBS, not me. LOL I just happen to know where that quote came from.
chap, I was referring to Rob #118. He got a bit terse and rant-like.
RACIST RACIST RACIET RAC…
oops, sorry, I started ranting….
Dont forget those who speak in funny languages
Despite the fact that FL recently passed a law prohibiting employers from banning their employees from carrying guns, there was an exemption in there for schools. So, at my private university in Daytona, where roughly a fifth of the students are in some branch of ROTC training to be officers in the military, we still cannot carry guns. Ridiculous.
like French?
That just makes me so angry ….
I’m not sure but I don’t think this is anything new. About 4 years ago I was taking one of my Texas CHL renewal classes and the instructor said a few school districts were starting to discretely send select teachers in for the course. The law made it legal to carry in school provided the administration approved it. It doesn’t have to be public knowledge. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are quite a few teachers out there packing right now.
The first thing I thought of, when reading this article, is how changed our culture has become, when we are glad teachers can have guns at school. Society really needs to take a step back and ponder how we got to this step. Growing up, kids brought guns to school; hunting after class, gun club. They might even show the gun to their teacher who might say, “Cool. Let me see”. Even teachers had guns; same reason…or for demonstration. Of course, then, teachers had the privilege to smack students out of line. Students could go home, and get smacked again, for the same reason. Is it video games, tv, movies that spark this “violence solves everything” mentality? Going to English school for awhile, showed me how the “cane” was used, though old Mr. Burns wouldn’t use it on us Americans; just the Brits. It’s sad to see how our centers of learning have become battle zones, instead of education zones. I was reading the other day, about Dunbar H.S., in D.C., that, for years, used to be one of the finest schools in the nation, producing Ivy League college graduates. Now, it is one of the worse, yet people/society don’t care anymore. A sad state of affairs, when we’re happy that teachers can arm themselves.
To quote the Dairy Queen commercial:
I love living here!
Lord willing, my son is never going to a public school, though. I went to both public and private schools, and I can tell you the difference. My parents didn’t see the problem with public schools until we started going to a Christian school. Boy, is there a difference.
Just to add on what’s being batted about in the comments..
those who can’t do, teach,
those who can’t teach, troll…
Action
REACTION
That is discipline at it’s best.
ACLU lawsuit in 5… 4… 3…
Back in my day, “safe sex” meant the lasses’ dad didn’t own a shotgun and the guy’s parents & siblings were out of the house for a few hours.
Does anyone else remember walking to elementary school carrying a single-shot .22 rifle so you could hunt on the way home? We kept them in the coat room, and no one turned a hair. Mrs. Walker only asked at the beginning of the day if we were sure the rifles were unloaded. No one messed with anyone else’s guns, no one got shot at school, and some of us took home meat that otherwise might not be on the dinner menu.
I understand that times have changed, but the idea that schools should be “gun-free zones” is ludicrous. The Pearl, MS, school shooter was stopped by the vice-principal who had to run to his truck parked off-campus to retrieve his .45 and run back. “Gun-free school zones” killed or injured children that day.
ECS
As a College student I hope that some day my kids may be able to carry guns when the are in college.
On the VTech. Anniversary some group held a memorial/anti-gun service. One of the asked me if I felt safer because guns were not allowed, I said “no.” When asked why I sad “well, you claim that the Vtech. students killed were safe because the law said not guns were allowed,” and walked off.
Good… if I were a teacher, I would pack heat too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“An Armed Society is a Polite Society” - Robert Heinlein
I would trust the AK over an M-16 any day of the week. Honestly, an M-1 Garand or an M-14 would be my first choice with an M-1911A1 as a sidearm.
I’m glad this system in Texas is allowing teachers to defend themselves.
I can remember back when I was in HS (during the Dark Ages) and you could pull into the parking lot and see any number of pickups with gun racks and guns in them. Never really occurred to me to look askance at it…and this was in the student parking lot. Just didn’t think it was that odd…and I’d moved from the Atlanta suburbs to a small town in Tx.