Who would Jesus vote for? ME, says Democratic congressional candidate
Michelle and I have been very impressed by Utah Congressional candidate Jason Chaffetz. But I guess our approbation pales against his opponent’s endorsement by a higher power:
The Democratic nominee in Utah’s 3rd Congressional District told The Salt Lake Tribune that Jesus would vote for him if he had the chance.
Bennion Spencer is writing a book about how Jesus would view certain policies. He says Jesus would oppose making President Bush’s tax cuts permanent and that he would support a “very compassionate” immigration policy.
Spencer called back and told the paper he’s not really sure whether Jesus would vote for him or not, but still…
Hat tip to the invaluable Down The Ticket blog, who has some more info on how Georgia Republican candidates are attacking the Democrats on their energy record.
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Why is it always Jesus people talk about in derogatory and insulting ways?
Who would Elijah Mohammed vote for?? Now that’s the question….
Would you like some arrugula with that arrogance?
It seems that “hubris” is now an official ingredient contained in the democrat/obamacrat kool-aid their drinking these days.
Actually, Jesus wants his father to damn America.
Let me guess, the forward was written by Nancy Pelosi… in ancient Aramaic.
Boy, you got that right! Time to shift the focus with:
“What Would Elijah Mohammed Think?” bumper stickers, and
“WWMT” embroidered on backpacks.
Probably “WWMD” is better for the backpack bearing individual, if you get my drift.
So, I take it Mr. Spencer is Pro-Life?
Isn’t PRIDE one of the Seven deadly sins?
I get the feeling Jesus would be none too pleased with any politician.
He misspoke, He meant the Devil.
Doesn’t he know Obambi can’t vote in Utah?
Guys, he was referring to The Annointed One. You know, the one boogie boarding in Hawaii with the adoring press drooling at the site of his HOT body.
Rating – 2*
The news article said he later backed away from his original statement that Jesus would vote for him.
However, it is somewhat refreshing that there is at least one Dem out there who’s not afraid to talk about religion.
(sarcasm)
You know what they say “How Utah Goes, so Goes the Nation” (more sarcasm).
The article failed to say how many wives this guy has. (seriously)
Man, if this guy is a member of LDS church, he’s “cruisin’ for excommunication”.
When The Lord decides to endourse a candidate, he’ll come down and tell us — in person.
Thanks for the link!
More BALLS than a POOL TABLE!!!!
Hey guys, if you take a close look at the photo accompanying see-dubs post you can clearly see the guy is touched in the head.
Yes, I’m sure Jesus would be in favor of abortion, especially partial-birth abortion where you kill a baby on the way out of the womb. Can anyone explain how anyone claiming to be a Christian can possibly support that??? Abortion is in the democrat platform. So if you vote democrat, you are voting for abortion. That issue alone should defeat the dems. But for some reason, it doesn’t seem to matter to many Christians. This has always been puzzling to me.
Being a Democrat is all about self. Being a Christian is all about the denial of self. The philosophies are irreconcilable. The Christian must pick up the cross of self denial, courage in the face of suffering, the conception of sin and evil. The Democrat asks the guy NEXT to him to pick up the cross while he goes backpacking in Europe. You needn’t go as deep as issues of life and death, Democrats are the ones sleeping in on Sunday, Christians are singing in the pews, glorifying He whom Democrats have banned from our schools, our coutrooms, our public square. One cannot be both a Demo-Marxist and a Chiristian.
Well, you know, Jesus was a “po black man” according to the “wrong rev. wright”. So, it would not be much of a stretch that Jesus would vote Dimocrap to keep his entitlements.
Last night, in the drive thru at Culvers, the guy in front of us had an anti-war bumpersticker quoting John Paul II…and an Obama sticker from MoveOn.org (if only they would…).
My husband had to physically restrain me from tapping on the guy’s window and asking him what JPII would think of Obama’s views on abortion…
The guy later got out of his car, shirtless and in boxer shorts to go into the restaurant to complain about his order. My husband wouldn’t let me stay to see if he got thrown out or arrested…
Then again, Obama’s the messiah and he’s redefined sin as anything “being out of line with his values”, so I guess the irony would have been lost on the guy, anyway.
Let me see if I can help you there.
Subject? Abortion and being a Chrstian
“christian” Dimocrap mode on:
*places fingers in ears
LALALLAAAAALLLALALALALLAAAAAAA
davidleerothmann #19
WOW! Can I copy and paste your comment and send to my friends? It is right on!
By the way, it will be very interesting to watch FOX tonight at 8:00 eastern. An evangelical preacher asking each candidate questions about his faith. If he doesn’t ask Obama about the abortion issue, I will know the fix is in! How can Obama answer any questions about partial birth abortion without alienating every Christian in the country?
Here’s video of Spencer talking about his statement.
Wow. My liberal friends are just going to be outraged over this democrat candidate injecting “what Jesus would want” into secular-American politics…not.
Warren won’t ask any tough questions to either candidate. For me, as I watch it only until Michael Phelps swims, it will be apparent which candidate Warren is supporting by the questions he asks.
Of course, Obama is going first in the interview, so I think we will see just whom Warren is supporting in this race early on…
Try this if the earlier link doesn’t work.
#19-
I agree about how it is impossible to be a pro-abortion Democrat and Christian at the same time. It just doesn’t work.
I tried it many years ago when I was a Democrat. It was hard to rationalize my Christian beliefs with the killing of the unborn. The Holy Spirit convicted me to get right with the Lord. It took lying on my back for nearly 6 mos while pregnant to bring me back…but after a difficult pregnancy like I had where my child was almost lost, you cannot continue in pro-abortion Liberal world views once you have seen your baby up close in a high power ultrasound. I saw that my son was a human being long before he was born and that his life had very little to do with my own. I was only his host for a short time.
He did, and still does, belong to God.
Until Obama sees a child in this stance, he is dead WRONG on partial-birth abortion. You cannot be a pro-abortion Dem and Christian at the same time.
It’s not even partial-birth abortion, but his support of infanticide via his opposition to the BAIPA.
Contrary to what pro-aborts say, a majority of Americans oppose abortion as a form of birth control – and only about 3% of abortions are done to *truly* save the life of the mother.
I’d like to see Obama asked about babies as “punishment” and his 100% rating from NARAL – plus his opposition to BAIPA.
The spin and tongue-tying would be a spectacle.
I’m afraid the fix IS in, on this one. This Rick Warren is complete feel-good preacher who doesn’t want to address the truly important issues of Christianity. Warren’s Jesus wants us all to feel good about ourselves, and not to trouble our pretty little heads about concepts like Sin. Warren is a new-age faker, who has profitted by recasting God as a heavenly Grandpappy who just wants to see us all fulfilled, happy, and enjoying ourselves. His God is “Surfin’ Malibu Jesus!” Now with cool Che-T-Shirt and peace sticker on his backpack!
He wants to address the AIDS issue without addressing that the principal cause of AIDS is personal behavior. Multiple sex partners and IV drug use are responsible for 99.9% of AIDS cases in the entire world. Rick Warren just wants us to send jillions of your tax dollars to Africa, but he doesn’t want anyone to act all judgemental about it, because hey, Surfin’ Malibu Jesus wouldn’t be all down with that ‘tude!”
I think if anyone scratched this Warren guy deeply enough, they would find Marxist money, power, and planning going back decades. The one thing that has holding back the Marxist agenda in this country is the so-called “religious right”. What better way to destroy them then to infiltrate, divert, and deemphasize their values?
That deal tonight is on the same time Phelps is going for medal #8 lol, good luck anyone even seeing the charade of duffuses, er, um, I mean parade of candidates?
davidleerothmann, if you write a book I will buy it.
I wasn’t aware of Rev. Warren’s background, having never listened to him before. Sounds like this will be another disappointing look at the candidates, with Obama coming out smelling like a rose. Whey couldn’t they have selected a real evangelical? By the way, I was pro-abortion for quite a while, mainly because I didn’t think the government should dictate what a woman does with her own body. One day my daughter reminded me that, while my body is my own, the baby’s body belongs to the baby and to God. Therefore, a decision to abort should be the baby’s or God’s, not mine. That was the convincer! Oh, and finding out that a baby’s heart is beating at 12 days.
Now I know why Obama agreed to this discussion tonight. He knew about this preacher and assumed he would get easy questions. Sounds like he may be right. I will tune in and find out. As for Michael Phelps, his next win will be repreated hundreds of times. You won’t miss a thing.
THE BEST summation of Warren – ever!
By the looks of it, we have another Bear1909 here. That was an very good compliment BTW davidleerothmann
Man, I miss Utah 3rd congressional district politics…
I watched the youtube video interview #26 linked to. Sounds like the Party reprogrammers got to him between his initial comments and this segment. heh.
Go Chaffetz!
Jesus said the two most important commandments are: Love God with all your heart, mind and body and love your neighbor.
Loving God means following the ten commandments. Loving neighbor is caring for those who need care.
The liberals want to ignore the ten commandments which they do not like and claim that loving their neighbor is using the government to forcefully take from one to give to another.
There are so many ways the liberals distort Christianity to justify their support of sin it’s impossible to count. But, I believe that a lot of well meaning Christians have been duped and genuinely want to do the right thing.
To Bennion Spencer: Judas once thought as you do…
How dare anyone to believe they can put words into the Savior’s mouth. His words are already documented authentic and non-negotiable.
Frankly, if Jesus, Himself, were running, I wouldn’t vote for Him.
Jesus’ life is an object-lesson in what happens to the gentle in this world.
DAMN STRAIGHT!
No, no, no. You guys have it all wrong. Jesus does support compassionate immigrations policy. So do his amigos – Juan, Guillermo, Esteban, and Jose. So do landscape companies. So do contractors. So do produce farmers.
Incidentally, John McCain uses very similar words when discussing immigration – compassionate, humane, etc.
Well if ACORN is active in his district he will probably receive several votes from persons registered by that name…
What does a Very Compassionate Immigration policy, have to do with the invasion of a sovereign country? That isn’t immigration by the very act of crossing into the country illegally. I get tired of this rhetoric, lets call these things something “nice” that way people – in this case the American People, won’t mind while we are defrauding them.
Learned something here today. A member of the Democratic Party cannot be a Christian. Good thing we have the religious right around to let us all know who can and cannot be a Christian. Must be empowering to be that all knowing. I also learned that many MM posters need to familiarize themselves with the meaning of the term “Marxist”. Much as many DKos posters should learn the proper usage of the terms “fascist” and “Nazi”.
I know what a freakin’ Marxist is dude.
dakine, it is not so much that “A member of the Democratic Party cannot be a Christian.” It is more a case of a Christian can not be a member of the Democratic party any more than a Muslim can be a wine taster. Sure there are many people in both parties that claim to be Christians, and probably even think that they are indeed so.
But I do very much agree with your assessment on the common missuses of political labels especially “Nazi” which whom most people have no idea were indeed socialists.
What angers me most about this is the gall Spencer and individuals like him have in claiming to know what Jesus Christ would do if He were here in regards to political issues and elections.
That’s like claiming to know what’s in God’s mind. To use a Jewish word, that’s chutzpah to the nth degree. They should leave Christ alone when it comes to who would vote for whom among other things.
But seriously, who would Joseph Smith vote for? The people really want to know!
Who would Joseph Smith vote for? Why Mitt Romney, of course. He would appear in every Mormon’s dreams and say, “Write in Mitt Romney’s name.”
Then he would say to those Mormons living in Nevada, “Vote for Harry Reid the next time he runs for re-election.”
dakine,
I am serious here. Obama calls himself a “christian” and, yet, wants to sign a bill into law (nationally mind you – circumventing the states rights to legislate) for abortion on demand.
How do YOU reconcile this? Teach me something today.
If Marxist money was fueling This Warren guy the money would be coming from the proletariat or the worker. What you’re thinking about might be social liberalism which has its origins in the UK.
Of course there are Democrats that support abortion on demand, same sex marriage, etc. and call themselves “Christian”.
How is it that Democrats – who decry the presence of God in schools and government – invoke the name of His son in a feeble attempt to draw votes from morally bankrupt, wannabee “Christians” in their party?
That’s because the democrats can’t get into heaven to commit voter fraud!
That’s because the democrats can’t get into heaven to commit voter fraud!
Actually, Morgan, niether makes a difference. I good LDS person would listen to niether tip. He’d research all the candidates, compare their positions to what scripture has set forth as the proper spheres for government to act in, and the quietly and alone pray that they could have confirmation that their choice was correct.
What method do you use?
Perhaps your statement comes from the (mistaken) opinion that UT is a majority LDS state.
Actually, when we PCSed out of Hill AFB, only 38% were LDS.
My point in comment #15 above: The people who administer the LDS Church’s affairs take politicing in the Church’s very seriously, and very negatively.
They have, in the past, excommunicated people for using a Church office as “weight” to justify their political asperations.
A letter usually circulates every presidental election year reminding units that no politicing is to be practiced on church grounds, or claiming church authority. Hasn’t happened yet, but it usually comes out 1st Sunday of Sept.
And we don’t pass the hat at services or invite politicians to glad-hand in before, during, or after services either.
As in any large group, we have our share of Liberals. I don’t know where they get it from, but its not from reading the scriptures.
Sometime take a look at “The Declaration for the Family” over at the Church’s site. Or anything else. Everything we believe is there. And as fast as can be done, everything the Church has ever published is being put there.
Any other misconceptions I might assist in clearing up?
Actually, dakine, all three are the same. Read the book!
Mussolini said he was born a socialist and would die a socialist. There wasn’t anything about fascism in his statement. The Italian Socialist/Fascists weren’t anti-semites either. Many jews held high positions with the Italian socialist party and with the Fascist government.
If you remove the anti-semitism and holocaust from the National Socialists, there really isn’t much difference between their policies and the policies of american liberals today. The politics are the same. To say that anti-semitism and the holocaust are the only things that define the Nazi government is completely wrong. Once again, Italian fascists weren’t anti-semites. So, anti-semitism doesn’t really define the National Socialist government. It’s other governmental policies do!
And those are pretty much the same policies that american liberals have today. Read the book!
Sitting in the truck stop restaurant and the Rick Warren Q&A has just come on. I wouldn’t expect any hard-hitting questions judging from the opening.
As for Warren himself, I have a preacher uncle who agrees with most of the sentiments here. To say that Warren “misses the mark” is putting it a bit to kindly.
ARGH! Get me out of California so I can make some miles.
OOPS…
I misremembered the title of that “Declaration”… Sorry.
The actual title (and location) is:The Family: A Proclamation to the World
We don’t go for these new-fangled fads of Humanist bent…
And, I believe that we are the only church that states openly that the US Constitution is Divinely inpired. Indeed, a book written by one of our church presidents, Ezra Taft Benson, is titled: The Constitution, A Heavenly Banner.
Our church teaches that each family should have atleast a year’s supply of everything they need: food, water, clothing, money, fuel (if at all possible). There are links to information about home storage there too.
When there is a natural disaster, our trucks are often there before any other help. Each unit has a “Bishop’s Storehouse” where there is set aside every needful thing. These are opened and are distributed. And that is to anyone in need, not just members of our Faith.
So, we take Liberty, Self-reliance, and Charity seriously. It takes more than the 3hrs every Sunday of our time to be members in good standing. That isn’t counting the service projects and countless other thing we do.
As I said, it takes a lot of our time. We like it that way, it keeps us out of trouble.
Okay, ten minutes in and I am disgusted.
I am amazed that the abortion question was even put to the messiah. Wonders never cease.
Hey I learned something new! Obama is in favor of certain limits on late-term abortions. Wow.
Wait, how does that wash with his support of starving a child to death that survives an abortion?
If you remove the anti-semitism and holocaust from the National Socialists, there really isn’t much difference between their policies and the policies of american liberals today.The Nazis were more authoritarion; the social liberals in the United States are more like anarchists. Diametrical opposites really. The democratic socialists in the US aren’t as bad as the radical left-wing anarchists. Conservatives are generally opposed to both of these factions.
Jesus would endorse a party filled with people who sneer at those that take Jesus seriously?
That is so rich.
That joke is old and has never been funny.
#59
On August 16th, 2008 at 7:46 pm, martin.musculus(jr.) said:
I didn’t say that.
See-dubya, who’s impersonating me?
Hmm…I talk to Jesus all the time and he’s never mentioned Mr. Spencer. Wierd.
I think everyone here is misunderstanding what Spencer meant. He was talking about his gardener Hay-SOOS. His nanny Consuela would also vote for him.
martin.musculus(jr.):
I’m sorry to have to tell you but my comment at #52 was a joke in response to AFBen at #51. It wasn’t intended as a response to your comment at #15.
I will say I did have a misconception about Utah. It had been an assumption of mine that the state has a Mormon majority. Knowing Utah is where the Mormons permanently settled in the 1800’s and where they would spread their message from led me to the assumption.
I thank you for clearing that up for me, and I also thank you for taking the time to tell me more about what the Mormons do in regards to politics and elections among other things. Being a Lutheran myself, we don’t engage in politicking or passing the hat or inviting politicians to glad-hand during or after the services either.
And by the way, no, there’s no need for assistance in clearing up any other misconceptions. Thanks again.
soap and brooklyn, let me frame my point in a slightly different way by asking you a question: If a person accepts Jesus Christ as his lord and savior, is that person a Christian?
GK, that was funny.
dakine,
You doing your Obama impersonation? You didn’t answer the question because you couldn’t. The answer is No or yes depending on the evidence of his/her faith. HIS sheep hear his voice. It is possible for someone to accept Christ and be lying. We had a Pastor here who used to go bug people coming out of Wal-Mart. A lot of them would “accept” Christ just to get away from him. Are they saved? NO.
To be “saved” you MUST follow HIS commands – period.
It has become cliché but here it goes:
Does standing in a garage make you a car? Does standing in McDonalds make you a Big Mac?
Now, your turn, answer my question if you dare.
dakine, soap pretty much nailed it with the sheep.
Re: “If a person accepts Jesus Christ as his lord and savior, is that person a Christian?” My take is yes, that person is a Christian, but as Trollman pointed out in #55 not necessarily saved…
GK, re: #64 “The Nazis were more authoritarion; the social liberals in the United States are more like anarchists.”
Gotta disagree here… socialized health care, fairness doctrines, gun control, windfall profit taxes, education monopoly, carbon footprints hate crimes, gay marriage against popular opinion, TRANS FAT BANS!!! Nope don’t sound like anarchy to me…
soap, we are lawyers after all…that’s kind of what we do. Seriously though, I don’t know the answer to your question. I’m not a member of any organized religion and don’t otherwise purport to be any sort of expert. I guess I would say that I’m guessing it isn’t your place (or anybody else’s place) to say whether or not a particular person is a Christian or is “saved” for that matter.
soap, to follow up, you state that in order to be saved, one must follow God’s commands. Seems circular to me. If I don’t follow God’s commands, I’m sinning, right? And if I seek forgiveness, God will absolve me of my sin. Am I missing something? By your definition, it seems to me that the only way to be “saved” is to be perfect and without sin.
Ugh. I’m always irritated by politicians who claim that a figure from the past would support them, be it a religious figure or secular figure. “Dude, Thomas Jefferson would totally campaign for me!” Right. It’s completely idiotic to try and claim “support” from a deceased person of another era. And a sure sign of political desperation.
Off-topic: Speaking of Jesus, I heard on a political forum that Michelle converted to Judaism. I’m not trying to pry into her personal life or anything, but I was under the impression that she was a pretty hardcore Catholic. Just curious, because it’s always intriguing when a religious-style conservative changes religion.
dakine, re: “Am I missing something?” Perhaps the repentance part…
Most secular laws & based on empathy eg: Don’t murder someone because you don’t want yourself or some one you care about to be murdered… are you with me?
Saying that you are sorry doesn’t hold much weight in a secular court, actually being sorry might. Same with religious laws, confession is not absolution.
Sadly, if Jesus were to vote for this dork, Jesus would just be another illegal alien illegally registered to vote voter named Jesus in Utah. I betcha there’s quite a few in there.
I take your point brooklyn, but those things are not for you to decide I would guess. Between the sinner and his/her God, no?
I wonder how Jesus would feel about ABORTION…
On August 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, dakine said: I take your point brooklyn, but those things are not for you to decide I would guess. Between the sinner and his/her God, no?
Did I ever claim otherwise? So, what I call you or what you call yourself is irrelevant, no?
So, back to my original point… a Christian, (or Muslim, Hindu,Jew or Buddhist, for that matter) who believes in a higher power can not in good faith claim to worship the giver of life & still support a political party that condones the taking of innocent, unborn life. So no, a Christian can not be a democrat, & still be a Christian, IMHO.
This creep seems be embarrassed after he was caught using Jesus is his sock puppet.
Maybe we’re talking across one another, but I guess my point is that whether you consider a person who supports the Democratic Party a Christian or not is irrelevant. What’s in a person’s heart as it relates to religious beliefs is between that person and his or her God. Seems sort of arrogant to think otherwise IMHO.
Well, it’s too bad this guy doesn’t have a direct line to what Christ is thinking. I’d love to hear from Christ about Barack “above my pay grade” Obama’s latest, especially on a Sunday.
(Thank you SeeDub for helping me register – first post!)
I can understand the confusion but Bennion Spencer wasn’t talking about THAT Jesus. A Democrat would never violate Separation of Church and State. He was speaking about THIS Jesus from another Salt Lake Tribune story:
There’s no doubt Jesus Jimenez would vote for Bennion if only ACORN does their job and gets him and his fellow convicts signed up in time.
brooklyn red said:
GK, re: #64 “The Nazis were more authoritarion; the social liberals in the United States are more like anarchists.”
Ah, I’m talking about social liberals, not democratic liberals. Big difference;
polar opposites but both on the left side of the fence.
Spencer is writing a book expressing his own opinion.
I could write a similar book and have Jesus voting just the opposite of Spencer and provide scripture to back it up. Course, scripture would probably be out of context, but what the heck, it would “prove” my point.
Regarding immigration, Jesus also recognizes the integrity of the state, as He said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. This is, of course, to prevent pure anarchy. Note that in Genesis it says that people are supposed to be masters of the Earth, and government helps us do this.
Because the War on Terror is a just war, regulation of our borders is a necessity to preserving the peace.
It’s easy for a politician to stand up and say Jesus would vote for me, but it can also be careless, because it wasn’t until the Byzantines adopted Christianity that Christianity was directly involved in state matters, and some sort of criteria of guidance were needed.