Crosses in the sand
Update: “Rock on, nutroots.”
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Apparently, there is a nutroots-generated controversy over one of John McCain’s war anecdotes involving a fellow POW prison guard who drew a cross in the sand. Fascinating to see the Left expending such unrestrained energy debunking war claims. Maybe they’ll get around to scrutinizing the Christmas in Cambodia tall tale next…
Anyway, Dan Riehl compiles several other examples of people drawing crosses in the sand, which, if the nutroots are to be believed, were all examples of fakery or plagiarism, too…
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Liberals just can’t stand it.
Unhinged doesn’t even begin to describe these liberals. Obama didn’t bring his A-game when he should have. All of the hysterics about “jetlag” and “cheating” doesn’t change the fact that Obama isn’t ready for prime time. In fact, no amount of kvetching is going to change that.
I should add that it’s delightful to see them squirm! Thanks McCain!
“I should add that it’s delightful to see them squirm! Thanks McCain!”
I couldn’t agree more! I just LOVE to see them try and divert attention from their loser candidate….AGAIN!
…and again…and again.
30,30,30 Now wipe that smile off your face…Ha Ha…
1. No actual ‘cone of silence’ apparatus backstage?
2. Someone else in human history drawing a cross in the sand besides John McCain’s Christian prison guard in Hanoi?
Looks like the ‘Swiftdope Vechers for Truth’ on the left are just knockin’ the wheels off of the Straight-Talk Express.
sarc/off.
That was his A-game.
I’m getting a headache just trying to figure out what the liberals are trying to prove…
B.O. stunk up Saddleback and the more His media prop him up, the worse he looks.
Priceless simply Priceless, the Dembot libs are in a frenzy. you can’t buy this type of comedy for any amount.
The sad part, “our” candidate isn’t really any of our first choice either.
“They” are only having buyers remorse now after having their plate cleaned, while most of us have been having that same remorse for months.
Not to dispute our hostess but I was under the impression that the story that referenced an individual that drew the cross with his sandal was referring to one of McCain’s prison guards on Christmas … not one of the other prisoners …
Apologize if I am incorrect but that was my understanding about whom McCain was talking …
1967. A young Karl Rove hatches an ingenious plot. “Look John, it’ll only cost you five years in a POW camp, and the use of your shoulders and I’ll make you President. And should you ever get discouraged, I’ll have one of my Vietnamese guys send you a sign…and PS, you know that ‘Cone of Silence’ on ‘Get Smart’? Heh.”
The evidence suggests that this is indeed the case. Obama is utterly inept unless he’s reading something that someone else wrote!! The debates ought to be interesting. I’ll bet that even the softballs that the MSM lob at him end up exploding in his face.
CCS …
Agree …
Obama and the libs are carrying around a live grenade without a pin and can’t figure out a way to keep it from going off in their hands …
Watch Hillary force a brokered convention. Bambi doesn’t have the full Delegate count to secure the nomination.
Yeh well, the nutroots can go brew latte for all I care; Obama’s castle
campaignis made of sand and people know it.Hope you’re all having a good day.
╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬
On August 18th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, John Ansell said:
After Saturday’s
lacklusterdisastrous performance, team Obama has plenty to sweat about when it comes to Hillary and securing the nomination.As we all knew he would….Rush is excoriating Obama’s performance on his show now.
Classic Rush.
Barack Obama is an intelligent man, but next to McCain he looks so incredibly inexperienced that even HE knows it.
I think Obama probably watched McCain’s performance and told his campaign managers that even they should vote for McCain because he is obviously more experienced.
What you plant comes up (rephrasing a Bible line). Nothing could be more in this spirit than McCain being swiftboated.
Yes, DesertLover #11, that is how I recall the story, as well.
Yes, Rush just replayed that part and it was a gaurd….
*guard.
Rush mentioned Ed at HA a few minutes ago. Great work MM and HA to keep us up to date on issues.
L
Of course, the point of the story (2 Christians worshipping together) is as moving no matter who it is. Adding to that heartstring yanker, at least for me, is that the guard had earlier come in and loosened the ties that were binding him. Very moving story all the way around.
╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ McCain cannot be “swiftboated”. He was an actual war hero unlike that treasonous Jon Cary you love to defend. McCain is not on in the treasonous hall of fame in N. Vietnam. McCain was tortured in N. Vietnam. McCain did not throw his medals over the fence at a war protest. McCain did not “winter soldier” our troops. IDIOT ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬ ╬
Liberals don´t need a purpose or reason to do anything. They only react to what others of substance actually do or say. If McCain speaks, they attack.
LGM
Well, I guess when you don’t have facts, personal attacks on one’s service record to our country is all you have in McCain’s case.
Though I wonder if McCain had served in the Chinese or Russian army, he’d get sympathy from NBC?
I mean, you gotta love Brian Williams and Barack Obama’s “understanding” of the issue from Russia’s point view, an “understanding” that wasn’t apparent when we went into Iraq.
Also, it’s nice that NBC has truly embraced the Chinese culture as much as possible on it’s coverage of the Olympics.
Who knows? Maybe they’ll be able to take Hawaii and San Francisco while their power surges past a dying Western and Japanese civilization.
#20 lgm said:
(Chuckle) Andrew Sullivan doesn’t swiftboat. He “thwiftboats.”
What more do you expect from a homosexual activist who is obviously angry that both the democrat and the republican candidates agreed that marriage is defined as “the union between a single man and a single woman” just the other night?
Proving McCain’s ‘Christmas in Hanoi’ account to be false will be a very tall order, even for a tough-guy like Andrew Sullivan.
lgm said:
He’s right McCain will be destroyed because of his spurious POW experience. We all know he really had two Vietcong nurses with C-cups plus a personal chef.
Damn b*stard crashed his jet on purpose just so be could live a 5-star dream and sit the war out. Damn, now that’s American…
lgm said:
What you plant comes up (rephrasing a Bible line). Nothing could be more in this spirit than McCain being swiftboated.
wrong again little girlie man. it would only be appropriate if
A) the Swiftboat stories about Kerry were NOT true (which they were)
B) the lies being told about McCain’s service were true (which they’re NOT)
Making a cross somewhere is a common thing among people I know so even if the stories are similar that doesn’t proven anything against McCain. I have made a cross with my tears on my brother’s gravestone as I leave it, I’ve make a cross in the snow at his and other relatives gravesites at the holidays, I’ve made crosses of branches and twigs there also along with lonely graves of strangers who don’t get visitors, and of course, always in the wet sand at the shore as a sign for searching souls that might need a sign as they wander by.
Plus, lgm (“little green man”, I am guessing), McCain came out in strong opposition against the Swift Boat Vets.
max #31, heh…I like “little girlie man” better than “little green man”. Nice!
Oh lgm Do you want revenge?
There’s a sentence in a Washington Post editorial online that perfectly captures the essence of Hopenchange as a candidate:
“Obama is one of those rare political figures who seems to grow smaller the closer we approach him.”
Getting to know Hopenchange is like trying to reveal an onion: the more layers of empty and contradictory rhetoric you peel away hoping to get to the man’s core, the more he diminishes until until rather than emerging he simply vanishes.
In a painfully strained analogy, lefties want to call McCain “The Manchurian Candidate.” There is a much stronger case, however, that Hopenchange is “The Potemkin Candidate.” Just like Grigori Potemkin, Hopenchange’s success depends on keeping his audience from wanting to have a look at what’s behind all the false-fronts he’s erected.
- The Emperor Has No Clothes.
- The Incredible Shrinking Man.
- The Potemkin Candidate.
- The Human Onion.
One thing you can say for him, Hopenchange leaves you with no shortage of apt metaphors and allegories…
lgm said:
You’re right lgm, I can’t agree more. I read this article at the KOS that makes the case against McCain. It actually could work. If you want to read it it’s right here.
The original sign was a fish. Because Christians were persecuted one would draw the top half of the fish. If the other person was also Christian, he would draw the bottom of the fish. Eventually, the cross became the recognized symbol of Christianity.
But, the idea has been around since the beginning.
LGM…..face it….McCain stomped BO in this forum, just like he will stomp him in the debates. It’s why he backed out of the “town hall” meetings with McCain. He knows he will look like the inexperienced Jr. Senator that he is.
I just wish he’d have finished the word “experienced” when talking about Clarence Thomas’ supposed lack of experience when he was appointed to the supreme court. Now THAT would have been a hoot coming from Obama.
The MSM will dig up some old prison guard who made the sign of the cross but was really only putting out his cigarette. All you have to do is create doubt.
LuxEternam #39, I hope this is correct, but have you seen who the moderators will be? They will throw nothing but nerf balls at BHO, I am afraid to say.
Huh, if you say so. Go ahead and try to prove an honored veteran of years in an enemy POW camp who was tortured for years lied about this specific incident. Good luck with that.
Deedle dee, to continue on you also making the sign of the Cross, goes to what I was thinking. The Left are so, what’s the word…unintelligent, uninformed, clueless…about Christian traditions, it wouldn’t occur to them that a traditional form of greeting of Fellow Christians was to make the sign of the cross. Vaya con Dios. Go with God.
Anyone seen Spartacus the Movie lately?
A Christian slave spills wine on purpose and makes
the Sign of the Cross on the table.
Last week LGM was walking along a beach in Hawaii. He meet Obama on the beach and made a pentagram in the sand with his toe. After a few moments he wiped it away after sharing a pegan moment.
Beat me to it, Jvette!
There is nothing new in the practice. As you point out, in the first century it was the sign of the fish that believers would draw in the sand (for the non-Greek literate, the letters of the Greek word for fish meant “Jesus Christ, Son of God, our Savior” to early Christians). Later, as the Cross became the symbol of Christianity, it was the Cross that believers “drew in the sand”.
I guess they are really upset that the separation of church and state was flagrantly violated. I mean the idea of a state employee drawing a Christian symbol on government property is a pretty clear example of “establishment.”
I suppose they want McCain to come clean with the guard’s name, rank and serial number so they can prosecute him.
Seems like a reasonable request. Can they compel the Senator to answer?
Michelle had it right: sore losers! Bereft of any shred of logic or sense of fairness, the Left has to resort to petty, insulting tactics instead of just admitting that their candidate’s flaws were on stunning display at Saddleback. Can’t wait to watch Mr. Teleprompter tie himself up into verbal knots during the debates, assuming he even has the guts to participate in any.
This attack on the Cross story is just proof of their desperation, now that they’ve realized what a vapid candidate they’ve chosen. I seriously doubt their efforts to discredit McCain’s narrative is endearing Obama to those evangelicals he’s so eager to “peel away.”
It doesn’t matter to me if the story is true or not. It’s a great story.
OMG, you got THAT right. You should have seen the vitriol and k’nipshen (sp?) fits over at sfgate yesterday a.m. Unabashed atheists, the lot.
Libs are insane. They keep going on about Obama’s ‘nuanced and thoughtful answers’.. what a load of crap.
The Bible says that the cross is an offense to “those that lost!”
sorry: “those that are lost or perishing”
Brushman: Great minds think alike:)
Thanks for this, MM.
I cobbled together a few more examples here:
http://crossinthedirt.blogspot.com/
Google Books is my friend, too
Anything to ignore defeat. We are still hearing how Bush stole the election. It is obvious that if they dont win the other side cheated.
Cross in the Dirt vs. “Agents of Intolerance”
Speaking of Hillary, she’s been awfully quiet lately, hasn’t she?
Please, all you McCain people are not just evil, but wrong.
I mean everybody knows that in addition to steel not melting, that THERE IS NO SAND IN ASIA!
Man, what’s next from you people, are you going to try and say that we actually went to the moon or that FDR didn’t personally hold a large arrow pointing towards Pearl Harbor?
I thought Swiftboating = telling the truth about someone’s war record?
vickisoup said (#33):
He did a lot of things like that — opposed torture, supported campaign finance limits, supported “shamnesty” — but that was before he started running for President. Now he’s been reborn as a down the line sleazebag wingnut. He called Dobson an “agent of intolerance”, not he’s proud to accept his endorsement.
Jeez! These guys are stuck on stupid! It’s apparent that they never watched “Get Smart”. Everybody knows the “Cone Of Silence” never, ever, worked, but just gave everybody a headache. Probably spent all their free time getting high and not watching quality TV during their formative years.
lgm obviously suffers from “delusions of relevancy”
Go away.
The Gulag Archipalago was published in 1973. John McCain was released March 4, 1973.
With the emotion which John McCain told the story, my gut feeling is that both stories are true.
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So, Livewire, if you’re firmly behind the Swiftboat Vets for “Truth,” are you behind Jerome Corsi? Now, if you’re nodding your head up and down…be careful. Because once you go down that road, you have to start answering for all the dumb crap that flows from a guy like Corsi. And you don’t get to just pick and choose what you like from what you don’t. Because if he’s only telling the truth about Kerry and Obama, is he just telling ridiculous lies about McCain (like mob ties and al-Qaeda campaign support)? And if that’s true, isn’t a great truthteller like Corsi just hurting his own cause by looking like little more than a shameless hack?
This is swiftboating. A fellow POW says McCain’s not fit to be president.