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Signed it last week!
For goodness sake. I already have my tires overinflated and now I will have to be free from energy? I drear the:
Income Freedom Day the Dimocraps will bring on to free me from my income.
Signed… keep the pressure up, or is it on? Either way… go, go, go!
Signed.
Signed.
Signed.
I already signed.
L
Signed
Will lgm sign?
signed
Signed. Thanks for the reminder.
Link the petition to everyone on your mailing list and remind them to do the same.
Signed. And I noticed that both of my Senators are on board too. Good job guys.
I’ll let my senators – Durbin and Obama – know how I feel, A G A I N.
Come on bloggers, let me feel the sympathy for having these two people “represent” me. NOT ! But, I do have John Shimkus as my rep so all is not lost. He cares.
I feel your pain swmbo
I signed it, but I have sens Dorgan and Gang of Ten member Conrad. They are too stuck on getting corn farmers in their pockets.
sarc:
At least Conrad reaches out to the Republicans and works with them!
/sarc
Done. I also signed another petition by Grassfire.
signed
Signed.
I know where my senators (Cardin and Mikulski) stand – whereever moveon.org tells them to.
One has to wonder what Bush was thining when he helped out Arlen Spector. I see he is not on board with this action as of yet. Such a good Republican. /sarc
I’ve been signing them all. I hope this helps, but I have my doubts. On-line petitions are just too easy, so they tend to be severely discounted by congress people. It’s still true that hand written letters are more effective.
Of course, coordinated, tangible action (as described in the wonderful book, Here Comes Everybody, by Clay Shirky — yeah, that’s his name but he’s a good guy) is the most effective of all. The conservative base was able to do it to stop the Shamnasty bill last year, but have done nothing like it since unfortunately.
Examples: send everyone in congress a small can of oil with a note stating: “Here’s a clue.” Or a dime with a note reading “We earned this. Now give it back.”
Who ever wins in November will need a serious reminder come January as to who really is in charge, i.e. the “We the People” thing they so quickly forget. Mr. Shirky shows us how. The subtitle of the book is “The Power of Organizing without Organizations.” Please read it.
If I were any good with photoshop, I would change the cover of Nancy’s book by dressing her like the Soup Nazi with a gas nozzle in her hand.
The title would read, “No Gas for You!”
guitarplayer, at least you don’t have Boxer and Feinstein. Some of us here on this blog are blessed with those two louts…
Oh yeah, Signed….
A Stronger America
Signed it.
Ouch! Yeah, you got a double-whammy there.
Trust me when I say though that Mikulski=Boxer=Feinstein. The only difference is that Mikulski isn’t quite as vocal. Cardin isn’t as bad as the rest, but is moving in that direction.
“36 Senators have now signed this letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) vowing to support American Energy Freedom Day.”
Why hasn’t McCain signed???
Done!
Doesn’t this mean that if the Do Nothing Congress does nothing, the prohibitions will end automatically? If so, I would like to sign a petition to keep them on vacation for another few months.
I’m not sure what we’re signing with this petition. All they talk about is protecting Energy Freedom Day. What does that mean? How do they want to “protect” it? Are they planning a bunch of earmarks for Ethenol, or wind in exchange for letting us drill? I would like to know more about the legislation they want to pass before I sign.
Signed, by my wife and me.
Haven’t signed yet, leery of gop junk mail.
Sign it and, then, blacklist the mailserver address, zorro.
Energy Freedom day is 1 October, the day after the current moratorium on new domestic drilling expires. It is (I’m sure not coincidentally) also the beginning to the new fiscal year, and it is assumed that congressional Dummycrats will attempt to attach an amendment/continuing resolution onto a deal-breaking piece of legislation (ie. troop funding) in order to sneak an extension of the moratorium past the general public and force Presidential compliance.
If I have missed anything, I know that some of the brilliant posters here will fill in the blanks, but I think that as broad generalizations go, this should cover it.
Make it your personal goal to tell at least one person a day what Pelosi is doing in the House of Representatives.
The sad truth is that most people go on with their lives never knowing what their government is doing. Those of us who track politics are an exception these days. I know some very intelligent people who can’t even tell you who Pelosi is!
We have to engage people in this, or we’re going to lose, period.
It’s “Power to the People”, not “Power to the Sheeple”. If we don’t take the time to open the eyes of others, we will not win this battle against what is effectively becoming an Oligarchy.
Think it can’t happen? Remember Chicago?
What good thing will come from there? Pelosi loves Obama..
Money & the power, Power & the Money, minute after minute, hour after hour.
~Dan Lee
This is nonsense. More domestic drilling will not take us any closer to energy independence than fully inflated tires. That’s what Obama said. Despite wingnut ridicule, it’s true.
Very true, Dan. This will be why the democrats will gain seats in both houses of Congress and possibly the presidency this fall. For the uninformed the old quote “You get the government you deserve” rings true. Unfortunately, that’s the same government we’ll have to live under.
Can you layout your reasoning for saying so lgm? Or are you just being a random nutroot again?
~DL
Where do you have proof of this being true? Did Obama cite a study from somewhere?
lgm, are you really that stupid, or do you just say stupid things to get attention?
I understand handwritten letters are better, but sometimes the wild wild left springs things on us so suddenly we don’t have time to write.
I believe they call that blindsiding.
This is an article everyone should read..
You’ll see how it relates to lining your own pockets with windmill money, & using your influence to block votes when you read it.
~Dan Lee
OK then, let’s do both. It is possible to drill and inflate your tires at the SAME time. Why does the disciple of “hope and change” refuse to hope or change?
What is nonsense is to refuse to do anything except stick your head in the sand and expect to fill up your tank with whatever comes out when you pull your head out. So, pull your head out, lgm!
I want a freedom from Democrats day.
LGM is proof that insanity breeds democrats.
Ignore lgm. Not only is he a know nothing, he is a do nothing. People I know in the oil industry say the opposite of lgm.
The mere forecast of more oil and gas will lower prices dramatically. Plus we can stop sending money to people who want to kill us.
Liberals
Stuck on Stupid
So, the people behind the petition are not proposing new legislation, they just want to block Democrats from extending the current prohibitions against drilling? If that’s the case, they should be a little more clear about that in their petition. If it’s not absolutely clear, Democrats will claim that people who signed to protect energy freedom were really petitioning for freedom FROM energy. They have this way of twisting things, you know.
Well, what’s really bothering lgm is that this is an issue that the American people care about. He’s a little scared because he’s watching his party start to suffer the consequences of the queen bee, Nancy the Great’s arrogant narcissism.
It’s natural for him to try & protect her. That’s what little worker bees do. He’s just droning like a good little well.. drone..
~Dan Lee
I’ve got a question for you, lgm. Wouldn’t you rather fuel your car with oil coming from the US rather than from the Saudis? We’re importing about 70% of our oil from overseas. I would like to see that number go to 0%. Wouldn’t you agree that the US should not depend so heavily on foreign countries for such an essential commodity?
I agree (and I think most everyone on this blog will too) that we need to continue to research alternative energy sources. Where we differ is where we will be in 10 years. If we drill, in less than 10 years we will have more oil to help out our supply. If we don’t drill and focus on just alternative energy, in 10 years we MAY have something to replace oil. You can’t dictate or legislate inovation. The wise choice is to drill (so that we can get off foreign oil asap) AND do research (so we can get off oil altogether one day). What do you think?
I know my fellow conservatives here may think me crazy, but I really want to see where lgm is coming from on this.
Um, why not both?
You are right that watching the little things can add up to a big drop in consumption, but what is the reason we shouldn’t also increase supply?
You see, no matter how much we conserve, the population is ever increasing. No amount of conservation will make the existing supply last. Until the alternatives are viable enough to replace gasoline, not just augment it, we really do need to drill. There is enough in and around the US to make our supply last until the alternatives pan out.
Doing things the Obama way means we should just stop using fuel altogether. Yeah, that’s really going to happen.
PS: what guitarplayer said, too….
Guys, Guys.. You’re all making a whole lot of sense here, don’t get me wrong. But the problem is, you’re talking to lgm, & he knows all of this is true, he just doesn’t care.
See, the goal of Democrats is to get EVERYONE ELSE to abide by their policies. That way they can drive around limousines, SUV’s & 50 X 100 foot house boats, while the rest of us “save the environment” under their divine wisdom & guidance. Don’t you see? They deserve the opulance of all those things for helping enlighten the rest of us, & teaching us how to save ourselves from Global Warming.
Also, someone has to buy oil from the middle east to appease them, or they may go Jihadi on us for not buying their oil, & that’s no good for foreign relations. So the Democrats will us the oil for their boats, limos ect, & make sure we have sound relations with terror sponsoring countries, thus saving the rest of us the trouble, & protecting us from terror through the art of appeasement.
It’s so simple. I can’t believe you missed it.. And you were so worried.. *snort*
~DL
I wouldn’t bother as I don’t believe we ever really get lgm’s opinion as much as we get the talking points from the two or three liberal blogs he references.
That is likely the beginning and end of lgm’s need to believe. Obama said it so it must be true. Of course, when Obama flips on off-shore drilling (like Pelosi appears to be), I suspect that lgm will be noticeably silent on the matter.
guitarplayer said:
Yes, but that’s not the question. As Obama said, there isn’t enough oil in the US to do that.
One difference between Obama and the pro drilling people is that Obama has facts and figures. The pro drilling people only have hopes. Hopes do not produce oil that is not there.
Just for fun, google around looking for a pro drilling advocate who estimates the amount of oil that will flow next year, or in the next 5 years and compares that to what we use now or import.
Yes lgm.. That’s why it’s called “oil exploration” & not “guaranteed oil retrieval”.
lgm = captain obvious
If you want gurantees in life, keep voting Democrat LGM (higher taxes guaranteed)
Screw lgm,he’s an idiot.
What the heck is Energy Freedom Day? I’m all for independence from reliance on foreign oil (and from reliance on petroleum as fuel in general). . .
But how does signing that petition mean ANYTHING? It’s like signing a petition in favor of fuzzy puppies.
Even if that’s so, wouldn’t it be better to reduce the amount of oil we import? Let’s say we go from importing 70% down to 40% over the next 5-10 years. That will be a huge help to us – and it will stick in the sides of the Saudis. If more advances in alternative energy come along, then we may be able to reduce that import number ever further.
We also have economics on our side. If we put more oil into the market, the price will go down. That’s just simple supply and demand right there. If we lift the drilling restrictions tommorow, the same market speculators that drove the price of oil up will drive it right back down.
I have no doubt that we won’t be able to replace the amount of oil we import with domestic oil in the next 5 years. That’s alot of oil. Plus, the oil companies need time for exploration and building of infrastucture to get the oil drilled and out to market. The thing is, we need to start somewhere. Had we started during the Clinton years with drilling in ANWAR, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. We’re going to be using oil for a long while still. It’s not just in our cars, petrolium-based products are in most every product we have around the house. We need to begin drilling and reducing our dependancy on foreign oil if for nothing else than our national security. Even if we can’t get off of foreign oil completely in the next 5-10 years, at least we can reduce it. The oil we drill will reduce the price we pay at the pump. Simple economics says so.
We can’t just pin everything on alternative energy and hope that will yield energy independence in the next 10 years. That’s a very big gamble to make. We need to continue to fund them and I have no doubt that one day they will have something. I’m just saying let’s not set a timeline (no Iraq references please) that we’re not sure the science-folks can meet.
BTW, I will be logging off soon. If you respond, I probably won’t be able to get back to you until later this evening. Thanks for the good discussion though.
LGM, you’ll have to forgive me for the audacity of my hope.. I didn’t know that the “audacity of hope” was only for your savior, & not me..
~Dan Lee
guitarplayer said (#58):
I would be glad to do that, but the earth will not comply. I do not want our energy policy to be: “drill where the best estimate is 4% and hope for 30% instead”
If you think 4% is too low, find a reference that puts it higher.
This is a big issue for Republicans. If there were reliable figures showing domestic drilling would work, they would be all over the internet and Fox news. The fact that they are hard to find shows that they are not so positive.
signed
Dan Lee, we know by your handle that you are in fact Dan Lee. Just sayin’.
lgm If you include all our known oil surveys the U.S. has 150 years at the present increase of use. At $75 dollar a barrel these become economically viable. That my friend are the facts. Don’t forget changing coal to oil at $112 a barrel. A hydrocarbon can be tweaked but drilling is cheaper and easer.
The problem is the U.S. government has created a unstable business environment. Private companies are apprehensive putting up capital when congress can’t decide what the rules are.
Signed, but my senators are Hillary and Chuck Schumer – not a lot of hope on my part that this will help.
Done.
Now, I’m assuming you mean that 4% is the amount that we will reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
Here’s what I found. An article based on a report by the US Minerals Management Services said that there are about 76 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf, Alaskan waters, and Atlantic and Pacific shelves. The US uses about 7.2 billion barrels a year. If we can tap all those fields, we can be running on US oil alone for 10 years. Again, we won’t be able to run solely on it, but it will reduce our dependence by much more than 4%.
And democrats as well now. If Obama and Pelosi are showing signs of wavering on the issue, you know it’s gotta be a big issue period.
Not true. My wife is a research analyst and can tell you that finding reliable figures on anything are sometimes the hardest to come by.
Dakine, that was anal, petty, & borderline OCD for you to point out.. Just sayin’..
~Dan Lee
Well what about the fact that creating supply competition for oil sales will cause prices to go down as an act in of itself, thus resulting in less money going out to terror sponsoring nations?
That will happen no matter how much oil we produce, because they will never know for sure how much we’re going to get out of the ground on our own..
Surely lgm would want the least amount possible going to terrorist nations, right? Right? lgm? hmmm.. Are those crickets I hear?
~Dan Lee & ~Dan Lee again.
I’ve got a better idea. Why don’t Obama and his supporters stop using fuel altogether? It’s you who claim it’s time to get off oil. Admittedly, you would have to do something no Democrat has ever done before – “practice what you preach”. But, by so doing, you could prove to the world that you’re right. You could prove that it’s possible to live happy, productive lives without oil. Or you could fail miserably. Either way, it would leave more oil for the rest of us.
What are you waiting for, Obama supporters? If you really think it’s such a great idea to stop using oil, do it. Don’t sneak around obstructing drilling in an attempt to make oil unaffordable for the poor masses just so you can force people off oil. Be the pioneers and go first. Do it before those devious Republicans steal your idea, invent an alternative energy source, and take all the credit for saving the world. No more stalling, Democrats. Take an oath today that you will use no more oil and produce no more carbon. You are the ones you’ve been waiting for…
Here’s one reference for you:
oil shale
I’ll quote a few highlights from the article:
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“The largest known oil shale deposits in the world are in the Green River Formation, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming….the midpoint in our estimate range, 800 billion barrels, is more than triple the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia.”
“…Shell anticipates that, in contrast to the cost estimates for mining and surface retorting, the petroleum products produced by their thermally conductive in-situ method will be competitive at crude oil prices in the mid-$20s per barrel.”
“In short, if the Congress removed its prohibition, America could develop a substantial amount of its oil needs from domestic oil shale resources rather than relying on foreign governments.”
“Yet, buried in a Department of Interior appropriations bill passed in December 2007 was an amendment that prevented establishing regulations for leasing land to drill for oil shale. The House passed that amendment, proposed by Rep. Mark Udall of Colorado, on June 27, 2007, by a vote of 219-215.”
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Now why would Democrats vote to block the use of oil shale? If it’s not viable, why put it off limits? Are they afraid it will succeed and destroy their master plan to force us off oil and take us back to the stone age?
Then there is the Bakken Formation in North Dakota, where there’s an estimated 32 to 300 billion barrels of oil waiting.
Not to mention the more than three trillion cubic feet of natural gas off the coast of Florida in the Destin Dome. This is one of those leases that the Democrats keep bringing up where the oil companies are not drilling. That’s because the Bush family teamed up with Congress to stop any drilling after the lease was explored and found viable. No wonder the oil companies have leases they are not using. If they find anything significant on the lands they lease, Congress prevents them from extracting it!
And I didn’t even have to bring up the 7.7 billion barrels of recoverable oil in ANWR…