Michelle Malkin » Sore loser: Obama and Obamedia accuse McCain of “cheating”

Sore loser: Obama and Obamedia accuse McCain of “cheating”

By Michelle Malkin • August 18, 2008 12:52 AM

No, really. The Obama camp and its media water-carriers are seriously accusing John McCain of “cheating” in his appearance over the weekend at Rick Warren’s Saddleback church forum because he was in his motorcade when the program started– and then escorted to an empty room without media hook-ups. NBC’s Andrea Mitchell spread the unsubstantiated rumor that somehow McCain heard Obama’s questions while on his drive. The nutroots went, well, nuts. The NYTimes piled on (“Despite Assurances, McCain Wasn’t In a ‘Cone of Silence’“). The McCain camp has protested.

And now we have the spectacle of the Democrat presidential nominee and his press entourage bleating about the “cone of silence” because he didn’t fare as well as his opponent.

Yes, the Obama has just confirmed that it is operating in a cone of abject stupidity. Maybe a little less fun in the sun next time, eh, Barry O?

The event wasn’t even head-to-head. How is the Obama team going to behave should The One wipe out in an official debate this fall? The wah-mbulance will be working overtime.

Oh, and I think we know where the Left is headed again. Remember “Is Bush Wired?”

Predicting a massive run on tin foil from now until November…

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Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived, Ross said.

When asked if McCain overheard anything, Charlie Black, a McCain adviser who was with him at the time, told CNN: “We were in motorcade until 5:30 p.m. ET; then a holding room in another building with no TV.”

Warren said, “I trust the integrity of both” candidates, and said he “knew they would abide by the rules.” He joked McCain may not have been in the cone of silence, but “he was in the cone of a Secret Service motorcade”.

Scott Ott: Har. How McCain breached the cone.

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Update: Here’s the full transcript of the forum.

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#301

On August 18th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, purplepeep said:

Purplepeep:
The Rasmussen and Gallup polls showed a virtual tie before Saddleback and a virtual tie afterwards. I haven’t seen any bump in any polls. Moderates and independents will make up their minds after the 3rd debate and the various smear campaigns. It’s still early double P. You’ve been around, and you gotta agree that nobody will remember the very uneventful, Saturday, August 16th, 2008 a month from now.

MsJustice, it’s the seemingly little things that get ya. Like Ford “freeing” Poland in the 76 debates and Dukakis’ Obamaesque response to a rape-death penalty question in 88. It’s the “drip, drip, drip”. Not refering to Obama with that

I wouldn’t depend too much on polls though they sometimes give a good idea of a general trend. The tendency/temptation is for folks is to believe whatever poll confirms their take at any given time. If you can develope a non-partisan “gut-feeling” of the electorate, that’s just as helpful.

Another area where this was a success for McCain is in framing. Obama is being framed as a clueless celebrity who gives “nothing” speeches. The other night he fit that framing perfectly.

I think the most telling thing on this, (and probably the best commentary) is while Republicans pretty much agree that McCain looked great and pounded Obama witless, the Democrats aren’t making that argument for Obama.( At least outside of the Spin Room area.)

They know Obama was outclassed and are looking for explanations of how this could possibly have happened(?!?!!). That is, instead of just taking the lumps and saying “we’ll get ya later”.

I don’t know if Obama’s poor performance was a surprise to his camp or not. But I would be surprised if they’re happy with it and are not doing some tinkering with his Q&A handling.

I agree the head2head debates will be very telling unless they both go into with “damage control” as their goal, just trying to avoid saying anything wrong. I’m thinking lively debates would be to McCain’s advantage and dull lets-get-this-over-with ones to Obama’s.

The “X” factor is always looming, too. Russia, Iran, who knows what will occur in the next few months? Events that neither candidate have control over can become driving and deciding factors.

But for now, McCain supporters can feel bouyed by his good showing. That’s good enough for now.
#302

On August 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

On August 18th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, edelweiss said:

As a medical student, I have seen how abortions are performed. It’s a very fast and painless procedure.

You make it sound so clinical and palatable. Try this on for size:

Nahariya, Israel (LifeNews.com) — An unborn child who became a victim of abortion in Israel reportedly come back to life hours later despite spending five hours in a freezer following the abortion. The incident points to the humanity of a baby before birth and the frequent cases of botched abortions.

Following the abortion, the father of the child asked to see the baby girl. After officials pulled her body from a cooler at the Western Galilee Hospital where the abortion was done, they discovered she was still alive.

“I’ve been a doctor for 35 years and this is the first time I’ve ever seen such a thing happen. This is somewhat of a medical miracle,” Dr. Moshe Daniel, deputy chief of staff at the hospital, told the Jerusalem Post.

The incident could prompt both an internal hospital and external governmental investigation into the failed abortion.

“We’ve informed the Health Ministry and I guess they’ll appoint a commission of inquiry. The hospital will ask for an external investigation of the case,” Daniel said.

According to the newspaper, the mother of the baby was 26 weeks into the pregnancy at the time of the late-term abortion. A medical test showed she was supposedly experiencing internal bleeding and doctors indicated the baby showed no signs of life.

The baby reportedly had no pulse at the time of the abortion and weighed 610 grams. Physicians pronounced her dead and she was taken to a medical cooler.

After they retrieved her body, officials saw her start to breathe and she was rushed to intensive care.

Daniel told the Post he didn’t think the infant girl would survive.

“Because of just how premature she is, her chances are very slim,” he said. “Then again, she already saw divine intervention once so you never know. We’re doing everything we can for her.”

That stands in contrast to what doctors and nurses at a Chicago-area hospital did eight years ago that prompted Illinois legislators, and Congress, to vote for a bill to protect newborns who survive failed abortions.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has come under fire for opposing it.
#303

On August 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, purplepeep said:

ajmontana said:
mj,
it’s only Monday the polls havent even caught up yet and yes, people will remember… imho of course.

On this, I’d look at maybe even the weekend for solid polling data on the impact or lack thereof. I do expect an uptick for McCain, though.
#304

On August 18th, 2008 at 7:37 pm, BernVerdnardo said:

I want to apologize for all the childish things I’ve said on this board.

Over the last two weeks, it’s become apparent we cannot afford Obama.
#305

On August 18th, 2008 at 7:37 pm, lgm said:

DaveC said (#289):

still not sure what your point is about the tour de france..

Athletes agree to measures to assure they’re clean. If they break the rules, they’re assumed dirty.

We should hold Presidential candidates at least to the standard we hold athletes — play by the rules or get the boot. McCain broke a rule designed to make sure he was clean. He came late. He had the opportunity to cheat. He should have some consequences.

sonofdy said (#290):

Its simple (insult omitted). Did he hear the broadcast or not?

To repeat (please quote in full or not at all), I don’t know whether he listened. Maybe his aide listened and gave him a heads up. He hasn’t actually denied that, though he denied listening himself. He did give himself the opportunity to listen, contrary to his agreement, which is cheating, if not listening.
#306

On August 18th, 2008 at 7:45 pm, T-Bone said:

LGM = Loser Getting Mad
#307

On August 18th, 2008 at 8:08 pm, beenthere said:

Over at DebbieSchlussel.com, the great and depressing Debbie S. may have thrown a very cold and wet blanket on the fun we’ve been having with SaddleBack. Go to her site to check it out. Here is the intro:

But no one and neither of the candidates said what should have been said. And that’s that John McCain had no business being at a church of a man who legitimizes and panders to the same country he says he will not: Syria and its leader, Bashar Assad.

Rick Warren not only went to Syria, he praised it as a moderate country and expressed his admiration of it. Maybe next he’ll do the same for Myanmar and Sudan.
#308

On August 18th, 2008 at 8:38 pm, 29Victor said:

Obama’s team is using the “McCain cheated” line to take the focus off of the fact that Barry did so poorly. Barry sounded like a stammering idiot with no moral center who either didn’t have or was unwilling to honestly express his opinions on major moral issues.

His campaign is doing the same thing that they do with every problem that Obama faces, they are doing their best to change the subject. They redirected the discussion about the “celebrity” commercial to one about Paris & whatshername, questioning his policies becomes questioning his patriotism, etc…

And it’s working. Now everyone is talking about how well McCain did and if he cheated or not instead of talking about how poorly Barry did.
#309

On August 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm, lgm said:

29Victor said (#308):

Obama’s team is using the “McCain cheated” line to …

Wrong. Only conservative blogs and Fox seem to be interested in this at all. Obama has moved on to actual issues. How rich is rich? Was it a good idea to invade Iraq? Should we honor the government of Iraq’s request to set a timetable to leave? Who has the best economic plan?

These are the issues that are good for Obama. Discussing the cheating issue is Republican strategy.
#310

On August 18th, 2008 at 8:49 pm, T-Bone said:

Obama has moved on to actual issues.

I guess that means that none of the issues discussed at Saddleback were actually issues. How rich is that?
#311

On August 18th, 2008 at 9:23 pm, tgusa said:

It only gets better from here people. I have witnessed a lot of elections heard many a pol called stupid but this election takes the cake. This guy. Zero, has no common sense, if he ever had any it was driven out on Sunday mornings. He is the perfect candidate for the libtards, they only see what they want to see and with him theres nothing to see so it leaves them free to make things up. Hes a liar calling others liars. Hes an ingrate that after smoking dope through high school went to an Ivy league short bus school. Hes a black supremacist that’s what BLT is, no not the sammich, the ideology. Good gosh I feel like I am living an episode of the Twilight zone whenever I hear him speak. Well at least after he loses he will still have stupid to fall back on its either that or dicktater of some third world cesspool. I will gladly pay his moving costs when he decides to leave.
#312

On August 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

lgm said:

Wrong. Only conservative blogs and Fox seem to be interested in this at all.

Not true lgm, I found a slanted piece on this issue at the KOS right here.
#313

On August 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

Like most of what has happened with Obama the “McCain cheated…” idea has backfired.

The DNC Convention maybe more fun to watch than the Olympics!
#314

On August 18th, 2008 at 9:47 pm, havok said:

Quick…send Barack Hussein the number to 1-800-WHAAAAAAAAA
#315

On August 18th, 2008 at 9:54 pm, RThomasETC said:

I find that absolutely astounding. I agree with most everyone who says that it is the difference between a man who knows what he believes and a young politician trying to sound authentic without committing to anything.
#316

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm, tettes said:

So, I guess none of you have noticed the responses from the McCain camp that flat out say he wasn’t in a “cone of silence”. The explanation of where he was and what he had access to is totally parsed:

Question: Did McCain overhear anything?

Answer: “We were in motorcade until 5:30 p.m. ET; then a holding room in another building with no TV.”

Why not just say “no”? He was in the freaking car at least 30 mins into Obama’s turn and you can’t handle the rumor/suggestion that they turned the TV/radio on?

Whatever he did or didn’t hear, he was definitely not in the “cone of silence” Pastor Warren promised us about.

Both sides parse words like this and I recognize the parsing no matter who is doing it. Can I ask you all to read it again, pretend Obama is the one defending his actions and tell me how you’d react to the answers that McCain offered.

The way they answered the question makes it pretty obvious to me McCain had access to some of the questions beforehand. This has nothing to do with who I think “won” this event. It has everything to do with the lame excuse of an answer McCain’s camp is giving…
#317

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:14 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

I was in Reno, NV yesterday (and NO, I wasn’t at Odumbo’s “townhall” meeting), and on the way back to Kalifornia, I heard on the news that someone had made a rude comment about McCain’s POW experience. At least Odumbo came to McCain’s defense. But the fact that this sort of comment is made by his supporters, is absurd at best:

“He was the fattest prisoner that got off the plane.”

Here’s the link:

What a classy crowd he hangs around with, no?
#318

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, DaveC said:

LGM.. in posts 171, 193,198, you are crying and moaning about how John McCain ‘cheated’ in the forum.. not even a debate..

and now..

Only conservative blogs and Fox seem to be interested in this at all. Obama has moved on to actual issues. How rich is rich? Was it a good idea to invade Iraq? Should we honor the government of Iraq’s request to set a timetable to leave? Who has the best economic plan?

These are the issues that are good for Obama. Discussing the cheating issue is Republican strategy.

You’ve been discussing the cheating angle and pushing until you hit a wall (both candidates been given a few questions and subject areas in advance, Barry even admitted to looking at another question before the forum)
NOW you are ‘moving on to important issues..’

FAIL, lgm..
#319

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:51 pm, RetFireman said:

Got here late, and there is just no way i can take the time to read what is at this point all 317 comments, so please forgive something if it has been previously stated, but ARE THEY KIDDING???

This is Liberals projecting at it’s very finest. No way could Mc Cain POSSIBLY know what he is talking about, let alone could he possibly have actual convictions and beliefs that such questions could actually touch on. Noooooo…that couldn’t possibly be it.

This shows me that the only way that the Dems could ever have such a good noght would be if they did cheat, thus they feel that McCain MUST have cheated. This is just sick and pathetic.

I can see how the Liberals, especially those fruit loops over at Kos could start this type of rhettoric, but for the Golden Calf’s own campaign to not only partake in such a thing, but to actually have started it…well they are not even worthy of an elementary school Student Council Election, let alone the election for the most powerful person in the world.

You Liberals are just pathetic, and are all worthy of the glass navels you all need in order to see where it is you are going, what with your heads so far up there and all.
#320

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:53 pm, purplepeep said:

tettes said:
pretend Obama is the one defending his actions

How can Obama defend his embarrassingly awful performance at Saddleback?

But not to worry, we’ll call another WAHHHHm-bulance for him. He’ll have to tend to his own self-inflicted foot wounds, though, the poor lad.

Cheers!
#321

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:54 pm, tgusa said:

Lets cut to the chase here lefties, Barack “Osama” is a skunk attempting to spray McCain with his stench. McCain is perhaps the most good hearted American I have ever seen and sometimes it really bothers me. McCain is a time tested and proven MAN. Barack is a good for nothing skunk he is the stereotypical black supremacist and Barack has the unmitigated nerve to call McCain a cheater? Unbelievable, a Navy man is disgusted with cheaters we would sooner toss them off the fantail than tolerate them. I wont hold back any longer, what you think I had given all I had already, not hardly I’m just warming up. These lefties lit a fire under my Arse and I am getting going. There will be no holding back from here on out. That is the last straw for me.
#322

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:57 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

All I can say is that the RNC and the McCain camp now have a new full hour of gaffes to draw from for upcoming election ads.

Just way too much content to go to waste, don’t you think?
#323

On August 18th, 2008 at 11:05 pm, purplepeep said:

BlameAmericaLast said:
All I can say is that the RNC and the McCain camp now have a new full hour of gaffes to draw from for upcoming election ads.

I hate to condradict you, BALast, but it’s more like 15 minutes of Obama gaffes - after all his ummm….uhhhh…and ….errrs are edited out.
#324

On August 18th, 2008 at 11:35 pm, CO2 Producer said:

So dealing with Orange County traffic constitutes a breaking of the rules, of cheating? Ever take the 5 Freeway during the day? It’s bad even on the weekend.

I like intelligent debate. This is dumb.
#325

On August 18th, 2008 at 11:41 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Well, I could easily do a 15 second ad using just the umm, uhh, errs alone.

That just about says it all for this candidate!
#326

On August 18th, 2008 at 11:49 pm, tgusa said:

Put air in your tires get a tune up, hey, Mr. Neibel taught us that in auto shop, you know, back in high school. Don’t take your kid to the emergency room for treatable illnesses such as asthma give them a breathalyzer, err, inhalator, err inhaler, yeah that’s it inhaler. I thought his angry bitch of a wife worked in a hospital. Err, I suppose “work” has a different meaning in the Barack family as in you do the work we will spend the money. Look, I know the lefties will attack me if I call Barack a skunk so I won’t call him a skunk.

If you are looking for intelligent debate while tapping a leftard on the shoulder, well, you might be a…
#327

On August 19th, 2008 at 12:13 am, tgusa said:

I understand that confronting barack and his minions will put any website on edge. I really appreciate MM and the guts to print the truth even if it is ugly, offensive, down right disgusting. Don’t think a number of us don’t appreciate your cutting edge format. It is the format of the future if we are going to have one. A big thumbs up for MM and all her contributors.
#328

On August 19th, 2008 at 12:36 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

TGUSA…

Just keep your fingers crossed. If we get Odumbo as president, he will sign the “fairness” doctrine and it will spill over to the Internet if he has it his way.
#329

On August 19th, 2008 at 12:42 am, tgusa said:

Well I don’t know about you but I have no problem putting my life on the line for the Bill of Rights. The question is, are they willing to go all the way?
#330

On August 19th, 2008 at 12:46 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

Yes, since it’s such a petty issue (a favorite of liberals/Democrats in general) and if we get a Dem Pres and Congress, they’ll make sure to do so.
#331

On August 19th, 2008 at 12:50 am, love2rumba said:

If McCain continues the Bush policies and our economy continues to tank, and things don’t improve overseas, the Dems will pick a better choice in 2012. I am chilled out, and I expect

Mistressjustice the Democrats are in a state of Deevolution…they keep picking a loser of lower and lower stature with each election since the ’60s…I mean you really believe Obama to be able to hold a candle to the likes of Truman??..the only reason Clinton got in was by accident.

If Bend Over wins it will be only because of McCain’s foolish political choices, particularly in terms of VP pick.

Enjoy your evening
#332

On August 19th, 2008 at 12:53 am, Trollman said:

I happened to catch a few minutes of Keith Olbermann tonight (I watch MSNBC from time to time - I likes me some comedy sometimes). He ended his show with a, I think, 15 minute, nonstop, foaming at the mouth rant on John McCain.

Wow, Keith must feel the need to make up for Obama’s poor performance this weekend. It was pretty funny - here he was, giving a completely one-sided trashing of McCain while complaining that McCain accused MSNBC of being partisan.

It was like Obama saying he doesn’t know when a fetus becomes human, so let’s kill them all… Oh, and his favorite Scripture talks about how we treat “the least of these”.

/boggle
#333

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:00 am, Doo2 said:

I know that its a different thread, but I never thought about Olberman as Obama’s VP!
#334

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:00 am, purplepeep said:

love2rumba said:
Mistressjustice the Democrats are in a state of Deevolution…they keep picking a loser of lower and lower stature with each election since the ’60s

I’d say ‘72 with McGovern, Rumba, was the start of their downfall. The Dems just don’t produce substanstive Pres candidates after that. Now they’re down to offering a “community activist” at their ticket-top. They have become “gravitas-free”.
#335

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:07 am, tgusa said:

Well BlameAmericaLast we are all right here waitin, what was it that the pres said, oh yeah, bring it on.

If anyone thinks this economy is in the tank in spite of unprecedented democrat high prices at the pump God hep em when the economy really is in the tank as it has been in the past. If this is a tank, someone give me a mai tai and a blow up raft.

Whats with all these former sports/tv talking head morons? Somebody pile drive em fast.
#336

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:46 am, a crapweasel said:

You got to hand it to Alan Greenspan. It was a pretty brave thing to do when he married the world’s most ugliest transsexual.
#337

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:51 am, love2rumba said:

Purplepeep I meant after the ’60s, with LBJ being the borderline start of the current parade of Democrat-type presidential hopefuls.

you are correct.
#338

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:54 am, love2rumba said:

I wonder how many times a day the Obamatrons bow prostrate in the direction of Chicago (in honor of their Annointed One)…
#339

On August 19th, 2008 at 2:45 am, neocon527 said:

Tgusa…so as to avoid any awkwardness, you shouldn’t say cheater and McCain in the same sentence. Also, try to avoid any sentences that use “first wife” and “McCain” together. For the sake of the campaign. Don’t remind anyone.
#340

On August 19th, 2008 at 3:35 am, RetFireman said:

Keith Olberman is the epitome of all that is Liberalism and all it aspires to be. he is an enormous hypocrite who complains about the things O’Reilly does, while all the while outdoing Bill in ways no one could imagine. He is full of anger and hate, and his little Hitler stunt proved to the world what a racist, bigotted creep he really is. He is nothing if not a conspiracy laden troll who makes his money raving about his betters.

As for MSNBC not being a shill for the Democrats and being non=partisan…well if you actually ever believed that, I have a house at the North Pole that is infested with tiny poity eared guys who enjoy slaving away over toys and other such things for some fat guy with a fetish for red clothes that I would like to show you. All one need do is look at who works their and their resume`s to see just what side the entire network is playing for. Yet those that are so engrosssed in watching that channel and Olberman will carry on and on about how Fox News is a shill for the Right etc.

I just want to know why it has taken Mccain’s organization so long to actually say something about how NBC and it’s affiliates have been shilling for The Golden Calf. After all, the rest of the planet has known all along that the MSM have not just been shilling for him, but in fact, made sure that he was appointed the Dem candidate and will do anything within their power to make sure that he gets elected.

When is McCain and his group finally going to take off the gloves and realize that if they want McCain to actually win, they need to turn this into the street fight that it needs to be. As long as they play the Liberal’s game, they don’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell of winning the election.

The Golden Calf, by his actions, his words and deeds as wwell as his associates, have gift wrapped McCain’s election campaign for him. It is far past time for McCain to open that present, and to stop spitting on the very people he needs to vote for him in just under 3 months. time is running out. Enough of all this lovey-dovey crap. If you can’t stand up to the Golden Calf, then all the “He’s the only one ready to lead,” crap in the world won’t mean spit, as ignoring all the above and allowing the Left to get away with it only demonstrates more than anything else, that he is NOT ready to lead.
#341

On August 19th, 2008 at 7:17 am, On-my-soap-box said:

On August 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm, tettes said:

blah blah blah…

The way they answered the question makes it pretty obvious to me McCain had access to some of the questions beforehand. This has nothing to do with who I think “won” this event. It has everything to do with the lame excuse of an answer McCain’s camp is giving…

Good gawd do you people even listen to yourselves?

Question for all of you idiots who keep using the “cone of silence” argument talking point.

How was McCain supposed to get there without entering into the “cone of silence” at some point?

Get over yourselves already. He did not cheat. Did McCain need coaching on the first question? Good gawd, your zero Obummer wants to consult mommy and Michelle mommy. Do you think it much of a stretch McCain clobbered your zero Obummer on the life begins at question. I guess McCain’s pay grade was BALLS AND A SPINE.
#342

On August 19th, 2008 at 7:51 am, RetFireman said:

The way they answered the question makes it pretty obvious to me McCain had access to some of the questions beforehand.

Did you not read? Are you incapable of understanding the English language? They BOTH had access to some of the questions beforehand. That has been freaking established in an interview with the REv. following the event.

Now whose fault is it if The Goldne Calf can’t even answer a question that he had previous knowledge of? Is that not proof of what an idiot without any of his own personal convictions? Is it not proof of how he is incapable of answering a question based on his own beliefs and not those of some 300 avisers?

No wonder The Golden Calf’s supporters are wanting to vote for him…they are all of the same mentality and IQ levels. After all…they do say “Misery loves company”.
#343

On August 19th, 2008 at 7:55 am, ajmontana said:

“Faux News Alert”

This just in!!!!!
Odumbo camp now claiming
Poor performance on
“shrinkage factor “
From swimming in the ocean in Hawaii for a week!!

Odimblubs wee wee is only this big and

Made him lose all concentration.

Film at 11:00

I’m Blaming my Penis”
#344

On August 19th, 2008 at 9:25 am, Dimsdale said:

I don’t know which is funnier:

On August 19th, 2008 at 7:55 am, ajmontana said:

“Faux News Alert” that Obambi is blaming his poor showing on the “shrinkage factor,”

Purplepeep’s

Soft bigotry of low expectations.

or any of lgm’s desperate attempts at grasping at straws to defend Obambi and call McCain a cheater and a liar.

All of them are howlers, but lgm is consistently hilarious!
#345

On August 19th, 2008 at 10:20 am, On-my-soap-box said:

AJ,

Your link didn’t work.
#346

On August 19th, 2008 at 10:21 am, danimal said:

In defense of the nutroots, that mysterious bulge they saw on Bush was a backbone. I’m not surprised they wouldn’t recognize it.
#347

On August 19th, 2008 at 10:27 am, ajmontana said:

its there just not on front page, you have to scroll through the lead stories now…. his pic is up after the hurricane story.
#348

On August 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, tettes said:

Did you not read? Are you incapable of understanding the English language? They BOTH had access to some of the questions beforehand. That has been freaking established in an interview with the REv. following the event.

Instead of hurling insults, perhaps you should take the time to read my comment more carefully. My comment has to do with the McCain response, which isn’t a blanket “no, we did not hear any questions while the Obama portion of the event was taking place.” That’s all McCain had to say. But instead, he parses words, saying “we had no live broadcast” or some other generic phrase that does not rule out anything. My comment has nothing to do with the fact that some questions were made available to the candidates before hand. But nice try at deflecting my point (as did everyone who responded to me….figures). Actually responding to my point would force you to admit McCain is parsing. Whatever.
#349

On August 19th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, RetFireman said:

Conspiracy crap is conspiracy crap, no matter what syle you wrap it in, it is still just paranoia.
#350

On August 19th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, tettes said:

Conspiracy crap is conspiracy crap, no matter what syle you wrap it in, it is still just paranoia.

Who defines what is paranoia though? I feel I’m making a legitimate point, but no one here will address it. Sadly, that reaction only bolsters my belief. I’m open minded here…but I’m new to this site and I guess I’m realizing if you don’t agree with everyone else’s perspective, it’s difficult to have an actual conversation. I’ll keep trying…
#351

On August 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

LGM

Nice comeback, but I don’t agree. This entire flap was caused by McCain people going ballistic over one sentence spoken by a news person on TV.

ONE sentence, A (as in single newsperson)?

Come on, LGM! Rush had playback of almost 10 different journalists talking about the “cone of silence.”

The liberal MSM is scrambling to defend Obama because let’s face it: He lost this round, okay?

They propped him up into something he isn’t and now that the REAL Obama is showing himself, now they must come to the rescue!

Obama did not offer it as an excuse. Obama supporters agree that his answers were not influenced by McCain listening in (if he was).

The reason why Obama isn’t making it an excuse is so he doesn’t further discredit himself. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was told to keep his mouth shut so the media can do all the defending for him.

If the McCain people had said: “Yes, he was supposed to be in isolation, though he was not in the beginning. We apologize for our failure to comply with this aspect of the agreement. We state for the record that John McCain did not listen in nor was he given any information about the questions.” That would (might) have been true.

Yeah, and then what? You’d just say you wouldn’t believe him, then or talk about some other republican scandal. You’d never say “how nice of the republicans to do that.”

Instead they made themselves look foolish by blaming Obama for their violation of the agreement.

LGM, who’s blaming Obama? We’re talking about the media here.

It’s “might” instead of “would” because McCain’s people have not actually denied that they listened and provided their candidate with information.

So what if he did? Is Barack Obama, the guy you AND the media have been defending for months now, Mr. Tough who’s gonna meet with all the foreign dictators, really going to scream that McCain may have had a slight advantage?

What do you think will happen when he goes to Caracas or Tehran? Do you think they’ll level the playing field for him, lgm?

All your whimpering proves is that Barack Obama isn’t fit to be in any sort of role in the government, and it’s mainly his skin color and age and looks that driving the show.

Howard Dean, you can quote me on that.
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On August 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

LGM

We should hold Presidential candidates at least to the standard we hold athletes — play by the rules or get the boot. McCain broke a rule designed to make sure he was clean. He came late. He had the opportunity to cheat. He should have some consequences.

Of course! He may have had an slight advantage over the great Barack! We can’t have that! Barack has been oppressed his whole life because of his inner city roots and dark skin! Whoop-de -doo! We must use government intervention and more tax money to punish McCain even though the Constitution says :

Innocent until proven guilty!

And you just said, LGM, “we don’t know!”

But in this post, you assume that McCain did listen in, just like you said he had a TV.

Do you know that for sure as well?

No, you don’t!

Typical liberal bias, on a conservative blog of all places.