Is McCain going to screw conservatives (again)?; RNC says message received?
Scroll down for updates…3:42pm Eastern… Message received? Fox: “Several sources at the RNC told FOX News that in the last 36 hours, senior McCain advisers and aides have told RNC officials that McCain ‘got the message’ last week that choosing a running mate who supports abortion rights would not be helpful.” Don’t exhale yet.
Wouldn’t put it past him. Would you? Which is why, despite all the encomiums he’s received from his Saddleback appearance, I haven’t joined the ga-ga bandwagon (and won’t).
Rich Lowry reports:
NR has learned that the McCain campaign has been calling key state GOP officials around the country the last couple of days and sounding them out about the consequences of a pro-choice VP pick. The campaign is asking about the reaction of conservative grass-roots activists to such a pick and whether a pro-choicer can be sold to them. This is an indication that the McCain campaign is serious about the possibility of a pro-choice VP nominee and that McCain leaving the door open to Tom Ridge last week may not have been merely a friendly nod to a longtime supporter.
Sound off. Guess they didn’t hear you loud enough the first go around.
Hat tip: Big A.
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Update: David Limbaugh calls it…
McCain must quit echoing the Democratic talking point that places form over substance and the illusion of bipartisanship above principle. Who says Americans “want us to work together” if that means abandoning legal protection for the innocent unborn or other inviolable principles?
Update: McRudy?!?!?!
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I truly wish I didn’t have to keep asking this, but does McCain really want my vote?
It seems that just after he does something that tells me that he wants me to vote for him, he slaps me across the face as he “reaches across the aisle”.
sigh
Well put.
Every time I see posts like this I remember the story of the scorpion and the frog. In this story, the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across the river, but the frog says “how do I know you won’t sting me and kill me?” The scorpion says “if I were to sting you, we’d both die because I cannot swim.”
So the frog agrees to carry the scorpion across the river, and sure enough halfway across the scorpion stings him. As the frog begins to be paralyzed he says “why? Now we will both die!” and the scorpion simply responds, “It’s in my nature, that’s what I do”.
The Tee shirt says is all.
We have a long dark four to eight years ahead of us.
He is emulating Bush in one fatal way: he makes decisions based on the Dem playbook that says Americans can’t stand casualties in war and are greedy at home. If Bush had stuck to principles and not played to the NYT and “misunderestimated” the American people, he would have a successful presidency. We would have won in Iraq years ago, and the budget in the US would be more balanced.
All McCain has over Obama is principle. If he gives up his principles, he will lose.
I’m with you, Michelle.
Ok, lgm-lite.
The poll you reference, as i corrected lgm on previously, was asked in the manner of supporting abortion for the first 3 months.
Ask that question about abortion in general. the answer changes. using narrow questions on a subject, and then using the data about the entirety of the subject makes you look less than intellectually honest.
Just saying.
I’m not a believer in morals. Too shaky for my taste…too easily shaken. Principles, however, are more solid. Just my world view. But in either respect, disregarding one’s personal morals or principles for the sake of expedience or ease lessens you as an individual. While the topic itself may not be your cup of tea, dont pile on those who think it is.
Are you suggesting that the government do something about your health insurance?
Lincoln –the PRESIDENT with a spine…
We need one now..A PRESIDENT WITH A SPINE>>>>>>>>>>
to declare an….
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION for the UNBORN….
and let the chips fall where they may…
CS LFL
Hey John,
DON’T PRESS YOUR LUCK, DAMMIT!!!!
This behavior is consistent with McCain’s “carefully crafted” and “carefully thought out” comments in the 2000 race.
Cross in the Dirt vs. “Agents of Intolerance”
count on it.
– Trollman
I’m sorry, but what the heck does this have to do with a potential McCain pro-choice pick? Ok, you may feel abortion is murder, but many (including many conservatives) do not. As for the rest of your comment, I don’t see how the issue of abortion could be linked to hiring hitmen to kill your children, parents, or co-workers.
I feel (and have always felt) that it is a core conservative value (possibly the most important one) to keep the federal government from interfering in our lives wherever possible. No matter what your view on abortion is, that’s what many of you are desiring on this particular issue. . .more federal interference in our lives. Even if I were a hardcore pro-life activist, I’d still cast my vote for McCain, because Obama has made it plain where he stands on the issue. . .and it’s McCain’s position that matters far more than that of any VP he might pick.
this is why this country is in such trouble. the supreme court can’t ‘pass laws’, and it should be stripped of judicial review. until that happens we live in a judicial oligarchy, where our laws, and constitution are whatever 5 black-robed thugs on the supreme court say they are.
Someone just did a cut and paste (#55) form an lgm post. lgm is scary but someone who mirrors his posts is off the map scarry.
The only thing more scarry is McCain throwing the conservative base under the bus.
This is a double-edged sword. Recall, SCOTUS and the DC gun ban.
I have a more optimistic outlook on this than just “We’re Screwed 08″.
Something (whether it be the Ron Paul supporters or something else) may force a brokered convention.
It’s quite possible that the Dems won’t be the only ones with a revolt at their convention.
“We the People of the United States” have had enough of dishonest politicians.
Can there be any other?
In the name of Jesus Christ, yes.
oh yeah the DC gun ban, one vote the other way, then what? that case just makes my point, our constitution is whatever 5 members of the court say it is. and the impact of that case was what again? did chicago drop their ban? no. in DC you have to get a permit….some ‘right’ there….
The lesser of two evils is still evil. Simple ain’t it. I watched McCain and was impressed at Saddleback. If he chooses other than a pro liifer…he negates all he accomplished there. And he IS stupid enough to do that.
The man just cannot be trusted! No way Nohow…Yes, we are screwed…but there are so ,so many on the fence and rejecting both candidates that maybe a third party candidate with some guts can show them a thing or two….I won’t hold my breath!
Abortion is not a religious issue. IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL QUESTION. We need to set the boundaries of the power of government. The supreme court nominees should be the only consideration.
right4life:
If not SCOTUS then who should decide what laws are unconstitutional?
I can’t disagree with your post. But for most people, it becomes a religious question inherantly.
For those of us who are self-admitted heathens…its a logical question that puts into perspective the principles of the observer.
Sorry, but if you believe him on this, I have a bridge in Manhattan to sell you. Do you remember the “I will build the GD fence if they wnat it” a couple years ago. I have not heard him say anything about the fence lately, though he may have and I missed it. Or how about “all those opposing comprehensive immigration reform are biggots and nativists”. He has said lately he will secure the border THEN give amensty. But his secure border consists of exactly what? When the flow is reduced by 20%? 50%? What constitutes secure to him? Additionally, he said it will be up to the governors to verify the border is secure. Well, you can bet New Mexico’s governor will declare it secure the next day as he supports full amensty. Then what? Do all governors have to verify? And remember, all the governors along the border supported “comprehensive immigration reform”. I don’t trust anything they say. Congress told us in 1986, “give the amensty and we will secure the border from further illegal immigraiton”. Didn’t quite hold up their end of the bargain.
Finally, this is just me, but securing the border is not even freaking debateable. It is a given for a sovereign nation to survive. And I will NEVER support amnesty. We must adopt an “Attrition” and “Elimination of the Magnets” strategy for a long term solution. No welfare. No anchor babies. No health care. No education. No jobs. Otherwise, in 20 years, we will have another 30M illegals here. We have to stop them from coming in the first place. Not to mention, amensty of 20M-30M illegals, will result in an additonal 60M-90M new citizens via chain migration. That is the about the same rate as the 1986 amnesty provided. Once done, our country will be past any chance of recovering from this 3rd world spiral. So, I don’t trust him in any facet of this isssue. Which is my biggest issue currently.
I wish with all of my heart that I had Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson to vote for, but I don’t, so I’ll vote for McCain. I can’t see me doing anything to put Barack HUSSEIN Obama in office, but that’s what I would be doing by voting for anyone else, or not voting at all.
I don’t even know Chuck Baldwin, and I’ll sure not vote for Bob Barr, because he’s waving the white flag of surrender, also. My biggest concern is the security of this country and the countless number of lives besides the unborn babies,that can and will be lost if B. HUSSEIN goes in office.
last week sent email sounding off to mccain camp regarding vp choice. sent email again this morning, asking if they read their emails? once again sounded off on vp choice being no-choice when it comes to pro-choice.
also, is mccain’s staff so stupid that they have to call around to GOP leaders in various states to ask what the ‘reaction’ would be to a pro-choice vp? i think despite mccain’s staff and campaign he is barely even with this nitwit the obambi.
i guess they figure obambi will cause the conservative base to vote against him and that means a vote for mccain. well for me there is always the option of write-in or constitutional party. vp choice will determine that for me, i suppose.
Fourstring,
Yes, I would much rather have the government work on current problems. ( like the health care problem )
Abstract, Yes it was based on the first 3 months. And the LGM-lite comment was uncalled for. I’m not piling on anyone. MY OPINION is that the abortion issue is beating a dead horse. I don’t care about it. I’m more concerned with issues that affect my family. That’s all.
Why is it that as soon as someone disagrees with towing the party line, and has an opinion outside of the standard conservative talking points they are LGM lite?
I didn’t pile on anyone, It’s a non issue TO ME! That’s all I said. I wish it was a non issue to everyone. I personally have much bigger fish to fry. My number one issue is taking care of my FAMILY.
I respect that people don’t agree with me. But respect that I have an opinion too. That’s why I fought for this country, so we can agree, to disagree.
I have to go to work, so if I don’t respond it’s because I’m not here anymore.
A constant source if frustration for myself as well.
Right on!
if = of. sorry.
Either McCain is lazy (using Dim talking points), or he is trying to bambozzle Dims (easy to do) or he is just clueless about how using Dim talking points to state his positions will trash his conservative support.
Whatever the reason I would hope McCain comes to his senses and stop this BS pandering to the left. Hasn’t he learned any lessons on how they were his ‘friends’ when he was giving Republicans a hard time, and now they are trashing him? Doesn’t McCain realize these Libs are NOT his friends but are using him just like the Commies in VietNam tried to do? Didn’t he learn anything from that experience????????
One has to wonder what motivates McCain and why he tries to be all things to all people and thereby causes great concern those that would REALLY support him in a pinch?
I don’t get it!!!!!!!!!
No kidding, his antics to the base are getting old in a hurry.
Fred Thompson would be eating Odopeys lunch daily and not holding back punches.
congress and the president should decide. in our constitution, it was never written what group would decide, so the court took that power in marbury v. madison.
I liked it when Jackson told the court to enforce their own ruling. too bad no one stands up to the court. but until that power is removed, our rights, and laws are whatever 5 members of the court say they are.
You have John McCain to vote for because of Fred Thompson.
McCain lost the SC primary to George W. Bush in 2000, and McCain gave his “carefully thought out” “Agents of Intolerance” speech shortly thereafter.
Fred Thompson’s role in this election was to ensure that John McCain, not Mike Huckabee, won SC this time.
Fred was not in it to win it. Fred was in it to help his “good friend John McCain”. Fred started late, left early, and never had “fire in his belly”. He accomplished his mission in SC and quit the race days later.
I was initially fooled by Fred because he appeared to be the “most conservative” candidate.
But even Fred takes a “Federalist” approach on abortion, letting “States’ rights” trump the God-given inalienable right to life.
Fred, like McCain and Romney, dissed the Values Voters debate.
I Do Not Trust Fred Thompson to “vet” McCain’s judicial nominations.
Consider that McCain will control the Republican National Committee and appoint the General Chairman if he’s elected. And the Republican Party is already in terrible shape.
Abstract
It is dangerous for a government to have the power of life and death. Witness religious states, Iran, Nazi Germany, Israel. Examine secular states, Russia, China, etc. In all cases it’s not the perspective, but the danger of the power of government.
Yashmak, you stated the case well. You are absolutely right. Obama is far worse in his stance on this issue. Trollman may not want the right to “hire a hit man to kill his children, etc.” but neither is it his right to tell others how to live. Further, if the government should suddenly have the “right” to try people who perform or undergo abortions for murder, not only will our prisons be full, but it will NOT stop underground abortions. Legislating morality is a dangerous game since there are extremes on either end of the spectrum. Everyone is entitled to his or her opion but no one is going to have everything exactly his or her way. We need to be more pragmatic in considering the consequences of sitting out this election and do out best to see that all we believe in isn’t eroded by a government led by a man of questionable character and socialistic views.
…and Rudy was McCain’s stalking horse in Florida.
Have you ever seen someone who was serious about winning the Presidency put all of their focus on a single state?
Rudy also dissed the Values Voters Debate.
right4life:
A fair answer. I must then worry, would it be any better if the president and congress had such power? What about in the case of a democractic president and democratic majority.
I wrote the following to the McCain campaign via their “Contact Us” button:
I read on National Review that your campaign is still seriously considering a pro-choice candidate.
PLEASE…for the love of God…do not sabotage your campaign that way! It would be akin to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Please stand on principle and choose someone with a strong pro-life conservative record.
Thank you.
PS…I’ve read up on Sarah Palin, who’s not only cheered on by Conservatives but also could help woo disgruntled Hillary supporters. That would be a stroke of genius. Why not someone like her???
I was really happy with McCain on Saturday night and almost went from a reluctant supporter to an excited one.
However, all of this talk about a pro-choice VP gave me an eery thought….
It may be quite possible that McCain purposely played up well to the conservatives in the audience the other night …. so that he could motivate them with his conservative credentials….and then a couple of weeks later pick a not so conservative VP…
Almost like McCain is trying to run to the right so he can pick a RINO VP to get the independents and keep them on board…
Doesn’t sound very smart to me…but his illegal immigration policy was not exactly brilliant either.
Just a thought.
I can’t help but wonder if there was a perception by the McCain camp that a groundswell was building to make real a possibility of a “quiet revolt” at the convention. After all “presumptive nominee” is just that: a presumption. Not a certainty.
That disquieting thought leads me to another: were his conservative mouthings, in contrast to his very real, increasingly liberal voting record* for the purpose of molify the Bigoted Conservatives to keep them fractured over their support of him until the convention is safey decided.
After which, when presumption converts actual, he’ll go full tilt, pell-mell liberal lite. Unfortunately, we won’t know that until we’ve stepped off that cliff.
It sure keeps life interesting…
*yes, I know what his “life time CU” score is. Frankly, that argument leaves me unimpressed.
To understand why, consider:
If you graph his score over time. That gives a completely different view of his score.
After we became “presumptive”, there was a sudden change in how his record was characterized, often by those groups who were sounding warnings previously. An example is the NRA.
I’m told three of McCain’s strongest positions are Defense, Right-to-Life, 2nd Amendment.
How can you claim a strong position on Defense when the blackhats can just mosey over our border?
Right-to-Life is confusing after Wisconsin.
Both the NRA & Concealed Carry people, (Dad left a link to it in a previous post…), thought McCain would be a disaster. After some closed door arm-twistinf he NRA reluctantly endorsed McCain. The Concealed Carry people’s last rating for McCain was a “D”, and I can’t recall whether it was “plus” or “minus”.
His works, not his words. Will one highly publicized instance of correct behaviour negate all past action. And remember: when he 1st pushed the surge, GWB was dragging his feet, and McCain was one of many, (not the only one, as has been claimed). So, it looks like His Mavrickness got a 2fer on GWB.
Are we buying a pig-in-a-poke?
we legislate morality with every law we pass.
Back to the moronic “We’re Screwed ‘08″ T-shirts again, hmm? You need to show a picture of the back of the shirt — and it better say, “Kick Me!!” or there’s a case to be made for fraudulent advertising.
If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s defeatists. The only thing worse than a garden-variety defeatist is a defeatist who proudly displays her self-pity in an effort to demoralize others.
Disgusting.
For those who desire to be single-issue voters, and to grease the skids for Hopenchange because McCain is toying with the idea of a pro-choice VP pick, fine. No one will try to stop you.
Just remember that when Hopenchange removes the last remaining speed-brakes on things like partial-birth abortions and killing “accidentally” surviving victims of the procedure — and you’re getting newborns with crushed skulls and scrambled brains as they’re leaving the birth canal — the silver lining is that most of them would’ve been future liberals.
As an added bonus, you’ll have handed Hopenchange the dagger to stick between our troops’ shoulder-blades, helped to lose two wars, helped to raise everyone’s taxes and to send the economy into a real recession, emboldened terrorists to attack us again here at home, enabled totalitarians worldwide to have a field-day with Jimmy Carter/George McGovern 2.0, helped us to reach $5 a gallon for gas, helped to restore the “fairness” doctrine, screwed our allies and trading partners, put a UN harness and collar around our necks, and resurrected the description of this country as the “Pitiful, helpless giant.”
“Now it’s Miller Time,” eh?
And you can wear that idiotic T-shirt to memorialize all you’ve “accomplished.”
nope, no better or worse than a democratic majority on the court…and at least we could vote them out of office, unlike the members of the court.
oops the previous answer was for the following comment
I called you that because you’re citing and using the same identical argument he was. thats all. and zero, i dont compare you to him..but if you start basically throwing out his posts verbatim, and quoting the same stats in the same way…then i might
Your opinion is yours to have. And i absolutely agree that taking care of your family is entirely more important than the issue at hand. And you’re not the only one here who has given sweat and blood for their country. And thank you for your service.
But that’s where i draw the distinction. If we’re looking at just the subject of abortion, etc…i would suppose there would be a distinction. Not trying to cause offense, just trying to point out the dividing line. That’s all.
On August 19th, 2008 at 11:37 am, FamilyMan said:
Fair enough. But we already grant our states the power of life and death. the death penalty is a perfect example of the governments rights, and one affirmed by her people, where this is applicable. different scenario, i understand. but still.
For this specifically, I would give the same answer that i’ve given to others before:
“While I agree with people to have the right to live their lives and choose what to do with their bodies, I simply cant disagree with people who don’t want to kill children.”
I could be wrong, but I think Mrs. Malkin had a thread on McCain doing this last week. Why is she bringing it up again? It’s a sad state of affairs when we can lose our great country simply because of one issue. I’m against abortion, too, but I’m also against seeing thousands of grown men and women and older children die, because B. HUSSEIN Obama, and his bunch of turncoat democrats did away with the safeguards of the nation. Why are we so hung up on abortion, and throwing all of the other issues in the ditch?
What I don’t understand is why so many people who profess to be pro-life will allow a person to go in office with a democrat congress and strengthen the abortion laws to kill even more unborn babies. Could some one explain that to me? That’s one of the main reasons I don’t want to see B. HUSSEIN as POTUS.
right4life:
Yes, I see your point, I will consider it further. However, still, what happens if we manage to get more conservative judges on the SCOTUS? Then the democrats can’t get rid of them. It really seems double-edged anyway you slice it (no pun intended).
Either way, I don’t see anyway how one as a citizen could effect change in this area without getting into politics oneself.
your assuming mccain will be better than obama, but given his record of ‘accomodating’ (bending over) for democrats, I see no reason to assume this. and at least with the ObaMahdi as president, perhaps the republicans will grow a spine, and oppose him, instead of going along with mccain as he bends over for the democrats….
abstractmind:
I wasn’t talking about you (or really anyone) specifically.
I don’t see it happening at all, unfortuantely. congress passed a law, struck down in hamdan, that prohibited the courts from ruling on that law…the court ignored it, the grabbed the power, and until some president and congress stands up to the courts, which is very unlikely, we will continue to live in a judicial oligarchy.
Jefferson forsaw this….
Abstract
I’m try to be consistent. I consider abortion and the death penalty dangerous.
Just want to make a correction as I understand it.
Exactly how am I a conservative if I don’t adhere to any values?
Liberals are the ones who have no core values except “gimme” and “no rules”.
right4life:
Interesting. I will consider this further.
Issues likes abortion and the death penalty are difficult. For that reason, like the death penalty, I believe it should be left up to the states. Roe v Wade was a horrible decision. Its repeal is considered like a nuclear blast among the left. But it would change nothing for most people. Abortion will still be just as legal in New York, California, and most of the rest of the country. Lieberman and Ridge, both bad choices, IMO. Really bad. Rudy, he’s ok with me. I’d like to see Roe overturned, but I’m not a true believer on the abortion issue. And it’s only a Veep after all. You just want to make sure you don’t screw up like McGovern did picking Eagleton in 1972.
Yes….And again. Our best chance for the future is for him to lose the election.
i know, i just like to cover the bases.
Understood. I dont consider putting criminal scum down for a dirt nap terribly dangeous.
I don’t have a problem with Ridge or Rudy being pro-choice. I have a BIG problem with the fact that Ridge was a tax-raising RINO when he ran Harrisburg, PA’s political machine. I would rather see Rudy or Mitt get the nod.
Actually, he said that he didn’t want to be associated with those “bigots”. You know, those of us concervatives who insist that both citizens AND univited “guests” be required to equal punishment under the law for things like ID theft, converting Social Security payments — heck, even using made-up or appropriated SS#s.
You, he doesn’t want to us around. That probably includes our votes, too.
Unless, you know, he’s willing to take anybody’s votes, on any pretense, honest or not. Like… oh I don’t know — a common, dross-metal, dishonest, talk-out-of-both-sides-of-his-mouth politician.
Like that?
Question:
Will two pair give either party a full House?
It is my understanding McSwish does not need the conservative vote to win. The conservatives will vote for him regardless to defeat the Obanation. I’ll withhold my vote to watch this. At this point having a Nero in the White House might be interesting.
abstract
I want the scum to suffer as long as possible and have as bad a living condition we can dream up. I’m just saying its dangerous to give government the power to kill.
Ask John McCain who he considers an “Agent of Intolerance” today.
Odd, see, I once brought up the idea to a liberal friend that the death penalty is more humane then letting someone linger in a cage forever. I got a cross-eyed look or two *smile*.
In any case, it is my contention that the government has the power to kill anyway you slice it. I am thinking of warfare. Of course, I know people will say, “that’s different!” Is it really though? It’s just really a question of scale and where the badguy happens to be from or currently is.
We could just make ME the final arbiter of life and death in this country.
Of course, that could be a little messy
Ridge is such a zero! If he is chosen so that McCain will carry Pennsylvania, it ain’t gonna work. There are 4 million Democrat voters in Philadelphia, 6 million of which will vote against Ridge, not McCain.
My g-grandfather from Philadelphia fought in the Civil War so that slavery would end. The first President he voted for was Ulysses S. Grant. He hasn’t missed voting in any election since and he always votes Democrat. In fact, his cemetery has the best voting record of any precinct in Philadelphia.
Not the least of several reasons being that certain members of this forum would just as soon shoot you *smile*.
but who would want to do that?
I need names! LOL
and thats fine…if they’re willing to be shot back at…and i’m an excellent marksman
Right! Just like Nixon’s election: Conservatives! Get over it! There’s a war on!
/sarc off
Boy, do I remember that! What fun!
Wash – rinse – repeat!
Add me to that list.
We are Screwed 08
Hasn’t McCain been listening?
The party of “No” does not compromise. Pandering to them with promises of “bi-partisanship” only gets them more excited because they will get their way without having to stomp their feet.
PRO-LIFE ONLY!
Its time to stop the bloody slaughter of the innocent.
Liberals, with the notable exceptions of MJ and Rusty (odd as that is), are overwhelmingly against guns and the Second Amendment. So I find it hard to believe they would have the means to shoot at Abstract. So they would need to hire someone else to do their dirty work in the first place. And if he got the same great training (and continuation on our own since) from Uncle Sam that I did then I pity the SWAT team needed to accomplish the task
You know I could live with Rudy…but as we say in New York, not for nothing, what about Michael Steele??? He is balding, so that helps make him look older, and gasp, he is black so that will take race off the table. (unless you’re a dem then you can racebait with the best of them)
Right4life, you’re assuming the Republicans will lose no more seats in November. I’m assuming the opposite, and if I’m right, there won’t be enough Republicans to carry the democrats water, much less stop them from passing more abortion laws. I feel like McCain would resist any movement toward that, but Obama will welcome it.
We could debate the issue untill the cows come home, and I respect your veiwpoint, but I can’t pull the lever for anyone on the democrat ticket, or third party or go fishing.
Besides, like I stated before, there’s more issues at stake, not just this one. Is McCain in bed with the democrats on those issues, too?
abstractmind:
I heard Trollman was passing around a list. Rumor has it that I am on that list too. *smile*
I can’t get behind Romney AT ALL. He was MIA as gov of MA for 2006, and passed that goofy manditory health insurance for everyone and then bailed – costs are already up and no one can figure out how to pay for it. Cabinet position maybe…but not VP
McCain: Tough On Bin Laden; Afraid of Schlafly
alaskangrizzly:
I wasn’t thinking of liberals. Truly, I was just joking around. However, in all seriousness, if any one person had the power that abstractmind described (jokingly as well) I would be among the people looking to shoot him. What he described, is of course, tyranny.
I don’t see why a pro-choice VP nom should make much of a difference. What is important is their judicial philosophy. Pro-life presidents gave us O’Conner and Souter.
LOL
Trollman, say it aint so bruddah!
And dont shoot zero…i’ll make a deal with ya…we can split duties, i’ll take one half of that and you take the other.
*lol*
I know, but I like having fun and poking at liberals wanting that kind of power by attempting to disarm those of us against them
abstractmind:
I get Australia!
I am not greedy. Just one continent will suffice.
I cannot believe that Michelle and so many others here keep on with the big whine “but McCain isn’t our perfect candidate….wahhhhhhhh”
Get a grip…you are never going to find a perfect candidate.
So I get it, you are not voting for McCain. Fine. Who are you voting for? Obama?
Yup…that will sure stop abortion…oh,wait, no it won’t……..
How do you feel about Freedom of Political Speech?
One reason we’re up flatulant’s creek w/o air freshener is because of the progressive nibbling away of the scope and real meaning of the 1st Amendment. (Which BTW, I expect to see more of from a Pres. McCain & Dem Congress…)
Is it a coincidence that the very 1st presidential election after CFR, (you know, McCain-Feingold,) we have 2 Senators who’s constituients are the MSM?
Both Obamassiah(D-media) and McCain (R?-media) are media darlings. Just because MSM has chosen BO over JM means nothing.
for example:
I love both chocolate icecream AND peach pie!
You set both chocolate icecream and peach pie infront of me, I’ll pick peach pie everytime! I don’t suddenly hate chocolate icecream. They don’t hate McCain, they just like the leg-tingler more!
Hey! I wanna play! I was a police sniper for the last eight of my eighteen years in law enforcement.
Is McCain going to screw conservatives
More than likely. I feel so repeatedly violated by this man I probably won’t even know when I’ve been bent over again.
Personally – I’d rather the government does NOT work on health care. At my work, we do some work for the gov’t and I can tell you – EVERYTHING they touch they screw up. Get them as far away from health care as possible.
And which of these is McCain going to prevent?
abstract
SAN FRANCISCO has to be on somebody’s list.
Ah! The convention has already happened! Must be looking at the wrong calendar…
I wonder: the people who are “McCain’s way or the highway…”, those who say to suck it up, stop whining and toss what you ARE know what they are asking?
Every time, its the same, exact song… not one phrase, not one chord, not one note different:
No wonder people pulling for McCain are so confortable with him. Free speech be damned.
Zero,
LOL. Done!
ZOMG. I love you. LOL. You can run the “Special Projects” Division of Abstractmind Inc.
I’ve even got a motto.
“Where life and death is our stock and trade. 2 for 1 specials on drug dealers every Thursday!”
Oh, it is. Believe me
In all seriousness, sadly, you’re statisically correct.
I voted for bush, not once but twice. Do i regret that decision.
No. I sleep well in my bed at night with the believe there are good men in the world who would visit violence upon those who would do me harm, in the night (to paraphrase one of my favorite quotes). Bush has, for all of his faults and all of his other errors, maintained our security to the degree where people dont really worry about 9/11 happening again. I severely disagree with other points, but on that the man has my thanks and gratitude.
However, just because McCain isnt the perfect candidate, doesnt mean i break with that which i believe to be correct, just to secure a vote for him.
At this point, he hasnt shown me alot to make him a person i’d vote for…
At Saddleback McCain said life begins at conception. Period. End of comment.
If he truly believes that, how would he be able to justify putting someone who is pro-choice in a position that is one heartbeat from the presidency?
In doing so he brings further scrutiny to his Saddleback statement in particular and to his overall truthfulness in general.
More pragmatically, he would lose the vote of more people who are pro-life than he would gain of people who are pro-choice with such a selection. Those for whom the abortion debate is significant and have selected the pro-choice position are already in the Obama camp. A pro-choice Republican VP candidate isn’t going to cause a tingling feeling in their leg.
How would a conservative Christian vote for a man who divorced his wife and quickly married a much younger, much wealthier woman?
Lots of them do it. I’ve known many conservative Christians who are serial polygamists. Thank Henry VIII for that.
A Perfect Storm is brewing.
Wouldnt know and wouldnt care, personally…of course, out of your equation, i’m on 50% of what you described