Is McCain going to screw conservatives (again)?; RNC says message received?
Scroll down for updates…3:42pm Eastern… Message received? Fox: “Several sources at the RNC told FOX News that in the last 36 hours, senior McCain advisers and aides have told RNC officials that McCain ‘got the message’ last week that choosing a running mate who supports abortion rights would not be helpful.” Don’t exhale yet.
Wouldn’t put it past him. Would you? Which is why, despite all the encomiums he’s received from his Saddleback appearance, I haven’t joined the ga-ga bandwagon (and won’t).
Rich Lowry reports:
NR has learned that the McCain campaign has been calling key state GOP officials around the country the last couple of days and sounding them out about the consequences of a pro-choice VP pick. The campaign is asking about the reaction of conservative grass-roots activists to such a pick and whether a pro-choicer can be sold to them. This is an indication that the McCain campaign is serious about the possibility of a pro-choice VP nominee and that McCain leaving the door open to Tom Ridge last week may not have been merely a friendly nod to a longtime supporter.
Sound off. Guess they didn’t hear you loud enough the first go around.
Hat tip: Big A.
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Update: David Limbaugh calls it…
McCain must quit echoing the Democratic talking point that places form over substance and the illusion of bipartisanship above principle. Who says Americans “want us to work together” if that means abandoning legal protection for the innocent unborn or other inviolable principles?
Update: McRudy?!?!?!
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How would a liberal puppet come and register on conservative blog and have the warped sense of humor to pick a screen-name completely contrary to the posts made? (assuming the country you purport to love is the US of course and not France or Iran).
- Member-VWRC
Perhaps he also believes that it’s not the President’s place, or the federal government’s place, to force that belief on others who do not share it.
Regulus, you’ve said it all.
Abstract,
Thank you for your points. Honestly, I looked for stats on abortion and found that poll. I knew it was a stat that LGM had used before, but it was all I had.
Thank you. Auggie.
np auggie…i’ll see what i can dig up numbers wise, after lunch
::scratching head:: I thought they were called serial monogamists.
Okay…so I get it. Everyone here is perfect, they have never done anything they regret or are sorry for.[this aimed at the ludicrous comment from "Ilovemycountry" about a man divorcing his wife etc.]
So I guess you are all more than qualified to cast that first stone as the saying goes…right?
Not so much…..
So after you kids get through with your rumor mongering [he *might* pick a pro choice VP...oh brother]and temper tantrums “I’ll never vote for McCain and you can’t make me”…at the end of the day, and the campaign, once again, who are you going to vote for?
Obama????
if there are that many, then it won’t matter what mccain does, he will be overriden.
afraid so, Juan the democrats want to give amnesty to God’s children and cap and trade, among a whole host of issues that mccain is a lib on…
you know I’ve never heard him refer to cnoservatives as God’s children bet he thinks we’re just spawns of satan…my friends…heheheheheheh
Is it 2012 yet?
no, nor mccain. probably just sit at home, or vote 3rd party
(sorry about my bad spelling in previous posts…just getting old I guess…)
i didnt say that…
Do you want to know who i’m looking to vote for before, or after, you finish with your 3rd grade rant?
Pot, kettle.
There are more conservative candidates to choose from.
It’s worse than that. McCain was actually having an adulterous affair with Cindy before McCain divorced his first wife. Men who commit adultery once are much more likely than the general population to commit adultery again.
When John McCain was questioned about Vicki Iseman, McCain said they did not have a “romantic” relationship. That’s a Bill Clinton answer.
Remember that Clinton said, “I did not have sex with that woman”, but then later was forced (by the blue dress DNA evidence) to admit that, “I did have a relationship that was inappropriate”.
I’m sure that Elliot Spitzer would say that he didn’t have a “romantic” relationship with Kristin.
When McCain denied a “romantic” relationship, but left open the question of an “inappropriate” relationship, I firmly believe that he was parsing words just like Bill Clinton did. The look in Cindy McCain’s eyes during that press conference was a dead giveaway. She was looking at her husband with the same look Mrs. Spitzer had towards her husband.
I am not trying to destroy John McCain. I am trying to get answers from John McCain that are “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”.
Politicians, even lawyers like John Edwards (who should know better), seem to have difficulty telling “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”.
This issue is made all the more relevant by the Spitzer and Edwards scandals. John McCain must be vetted before he is officially nominated. Here’s what we risk if we don’t vet him:
I realize that there are polygamists out there, but please don’t bring that up as support for McCain.
Then I agree with Fred. To me the Constitution makes it clear. Anything not clearly proscribed or protected by the Constitution is to be left to the states and to the people. That’s the point of the 9th and 10th Amendments.
The founders were concerned that the Bill of Rights would give people the wrong idea that those enumerated rights were the only ones that existed, but on the other hand, they were against a strong centralized federal government, so they decided to leave the other decisions up to the states.
Besides, if life is an unalienable right, then how can captial punishment ever be justified? As soon as you place conditions on that statement, it is no longer unalienable.
At least from my point of view, you do have a right to live. When you take that right from someone else, your own becomes forfeit.
On August 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, abstractmind DID say:
Gahhhhhhhh, no, you didn’t! My brain vapor-locked for a minute.
Apologies, I must be in an abstractmind kinda mind today….
its ok…
but whats wrong with that?
3rd grade rant? surely, you jest.
I just summed up every silly post in this thread…..so if it’s “3rd grade” then perhaps some of this foot stamping ,you can’t make me nonsense is also such?
So, some of you will sit at home and not vote [boy, that will really show those liberal dems as they laugh all the way to the supreme court with their picks] or a third party….I’m assuming not “Green”? But then who knows?
Bob Barr?
..the MOST unappealing would-never-in-a-million-years get elected Bob Barr?
Once again, stellar idea, that will really show them. And you are who again? That’s exactly how history will remember you…the group of toddlers that thought they were going to show everyone how “real” conservatives act…..
I live in the real world where everything has a consequence and we don’t always get our own way…and you?
This isn’t a matter of a person or party screwing its constituents. Everybody gets screwed, without the enjoyment, as the government grows and new laws are written. Making McCain out to be the bad guy is so trite.
StandardDeviation,
The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that the founders believed life is a God-given (endowed by our Creator) inalienable right.
Murder is not clearly proscribed or protected by the Constitution. But the founders took it as a “given” that since one of God’s 10 commandments is “Thou shall not kill”, states laws would prohibit murder.
I do not support or defend the death penalty. Even putting Timothy McVeigh to death did nothing to heal the hurt he caused. There is no joy in “eye for an eye”.
John McCain claims that he believes life begins at conception, but apparently he doesn’t care enough about the 40+ million babies who have been killed in the last 35 years to choose a pro-life VP. If we can’t trust him in his VP pick, how can we trust him in his Judicial nominations? (answer: we can’t…I believe we’d get another Souter, and people would later ask, “How did that happen?”)
Absolutely nothing!
So you’re saying John Quincy Adams was a “toddler”?
Shamlessly parroted from Send_Me in the Rudy thread
No…i’m pretty sure i meant exactly what i put up there.
I agree that -acting- shrill about this is not the way to discuss the issue. But for all of your chiding, you’re participating in the same activity. You’re doing the “I’ll stomp my feet and scream and b!tch and moan because someone isnt going to cave in and vote how *I* want them to waaaaaaaahhhhhh” dance. If you don’t want to be lumped into that catagory, don’t put yourself there.
Maybe i’m reading too much into what you’re saying. If thats the case, i’ll retract. But i think you’re saying exactly what you mean.
As far as the rest…
“Real” conservatives don’t cave for ease or expedience. They do what they believe to be correct, regardless of the opposition. Do you know who caves like that?
Liberals. They follow whatever political wind is blowing, or whatever poll number tells them the best cause to champion that day.
Would you not agree that people not sticking to their guns…that not sticking to what they believe is *right*…is how we got where we are today?
And your cure is to cave a little more so we can try not to have to cave later? That capitulation now is better than later?
How about not at all?
While you may catagorically disagree with those who wish to vote for someone other than McCain, its their *right* to do so.
And for those of us who ALSO live in the real world, we can see the consequences of ALL sides. Not just Obama in the WH while we look at the world through McCain colored glasses.
These issues are mutually exclusive. The former involves the taking of an innocent life. The latter involves exacting a penalty from a guilty person. It is the inability to see the distinction that has confused what is otherwise quite simple.
I’m not. However, wine and wenching are men’s vices. I’d rather have one who is guilty of that than one who sees nothing wrong in murdering an infant by exposure.
I’d rather an adulterous McCain who would stand up to Russia and Muslims than a cowering Obama who would sell his country and its honor in a heartbeat to appeasement.
Yes, I personally don’t care for men like McCain and Clinton whose personal sins demonstrate that they are probably lousy husbands – I sure as hell wouldn’t marry either of them.
But what I’m voting for is POTUS, and I’d choose the adulterer who will fight for this country and its security over the narcissistic socialist who would betray his country to its enemies.
Hear Hear, atheling #219.
mmmmmmm, wenches
Well said though
Abortion, rather, the right to life issue, is that important. If McCain picks a pro-choice VP, then it will prove he wasn’t serious when he said what he said at Saddleback.
It is better to die on principle than to live for nothing. A hero dies once, but a coward dies a thousand deaths. I would lay down my life if that meant abortion would no longer be legal in this country. I would even… shudder… be married to Helen Thomas… if that somehow ended the slaughter of the innocent. (gulp!)
Yashmak said:
That reminds me of something I learned about in history class. There were once people who said to abolitionists “OK, you may feel blacks are people too, but many do not.” It is what it is, regardless if some disagree.
Yashmak said:
Abortion involves hiring a trained professional to kill your child.
Yashmak said:
So you believe that, if someone wants to torture your children, rape your spouse, and slit your throat, the government ought to stay out of it?
Lilycat said:
Fine, then murder, theft, etc. is now legal, since we shouldn’t legislate morality.
Ilovemycountry said:
Because we are all sinners, and repentance is possible in this life. I don’t know McCain’s heart, but given what he went through prior to the failing of his marriage, and the apparent sincerity in his confession on Saddleback, I am willing to forgive and give him the benefit of the doubt on that. As far as I know, he has remained faithful to his 2nd wife, so it seems his repentance is true.
BUT YOU WANT TO SHOOT ME TROLL!?!?!?
And wow, you must be serious about that. Marry that woman.
Man, that’s hardcore.
So do I. Casting a ballot for a man to the left of GWB isn’t my idea of conservative.
As far as judges go wait until McCain reaches across the isle to his
liberal demsfriends…We’ll be lucky to get another O’Connor.I guess President Reagan wasn’t serious about being pro life either, since George H.W. Bush was pro choice.
atheling said:
I don’t know, I was just a kid when he was president. Some of his Supreme Court appointees weren’t that great (Kennedy & O’Connor).
I did not feel very good about McCain until Saturday…Now this. I will still vote for him for a 3 reasons however. One is that the abortion argument unfortunately will be null and void soon because of the night after pill. Think about it folks. It’s just too easy. Second, the premise of Lesser of 2 evil’s. So…You’ll choose the evil over the lesser? That’s dumber than Obambi. Yes I have my principles but the most important one is to keep “The ONE” from choosing 3 more Darth Vader Ginsburgs. To all of you who value those principles, the SCOTUS is where they are interpreted. Do you want Do you want Odumble deciding that? I do think that no matter who McCain choses, he or she will be better than Judge Ruthy(re-read first reason). Third but not least, I don’t want this attitude of defeat to allow a majority proof Nancy Pile o’ sheet to smile again after the election. God I hate that smile. I understand if you don’t vote for him but please get energized and vote for your congressmen and women.
Standardd This also applies to abortion.
People relax,
McCain said during Saddleback that he was going to implement pro-life policies!
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ever deprive someone of their life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. It means we shouldn’t infringe on these things unless we have good reason to do so.
The default position is life and liberty. Hence, the default position is pro-life, not pro-abortion. The default is freedom, not imprisonment.
Sometimes you kill, and sometimes you imprison, but only with appropriate justification.
Interesting.
Dad would enjoy this!
I see people who were reaming my Dad, exclaiming that because McCain was pro-life, and that was the “most important thing”, and that McCain could be trusted to appoint pro-life judges, he’d never do anything to jepardize that and that was all that mattered!
Trusted! As he can be trusted to pick someone who personify’s the R’s planks!
Before it was “Get over Reagan!”
Now its: “I guess Reagan was a Liberal, too!”
What nuance!
What consistancy!
Look:
If something happens to McCain, who will shepard through his agenda? You said McCain’s pro-life stance was most important to you.
And, remember Ridge?
Anti-SDI, leader of turncoat R’s unilateral nuke-freeze movement, Higher taxes at all costs, etc…
Does any of this matter? Or is it just “keep away” to you guys?
More double-think from the peanut gallery in 3…2…1
Doesn’t bother me a bit. You’re hitting on something here in reference to many of the other commenters. Funny thing about truth is that it “only irritates those it enlightens, but does not convert.” (Pasquier Quesnel)
Now, as I’ve said before on here and Hotair, Here’s my reasoning for not voting for either candidate and voting my conscience.
1. 2000: Honestly, how different were Bush and Gore? How large was the workable pool of voters (# of swing/moderate voters?)
2. 2004: How different were Bush and Kerry? I mean, come on, how many liberal or incompetent policy proposals has Bush supported? Did that pool of workable voters increase or decrease in size?
3. 2008: We see that McCain and Obama are very much alike, focusing not on their bases of support, but rather on the lukewarm crowd, the folks who are swayed by cheesy commercials, the ones who really don’t care about politics but want a good show. The far left is alienated, as well as the far right.
2012 prediction: The candidates will be even more alike than they are now, and we’ll once again ask ourselves, “which of the evils should we choose?” The problem though is that the differences will not be as apparent.
Conclusion: Unless we wish to continue down this road, where neither party cares to remain responsive to its base, we must make them realize that we are still sentient beings who vote with our brains and conscience, not out of convenience.
So, if you really do care about the state of this country, you will vote your conscience when choosing a President, and you will vote the bums of the 14% Congress out of office.
I would much rather the government not work at all, much less on my health care.
Send_Me
Very well postulated and reflects the intent I have to fight hard and relentlessly for local, state and federal candidates that hold to the Conservative ideals…. for in those offices lie the power in the end. As far as POTUS? Perhaps I’ll write my name in or the Commandant of the Marine Corps.
How would a pro-choice VP screw conservatives? I don’t know how you can’t have noticed this yet, but Republicans have been running the government for decades now, and abortion is still legal.
of course he’s going to screw you republicans…and you will all take it with a smile
you must have missed about half the postings here about people not taking it to begin with..but way to keep up.
But a smile…..wHy sO sErIoUs?!?
Digshot said:
Because whoever is the VP has a good chance of becoming the president in the near future. We are a lot closer to overturning Roe v. Wade after W’s Supreme Court picks.
We are probably only 1-2 Justices away from finally overturning that faulty ruling.
Yes trollman Always……..Unless you are for an activist court
How’s the skateboarding going?
I agree that the Obama Nation (I used that expression back in March, long before the book came out) is not an option.
My questions are: Is McCain the best we can do? Has he been properly vetted? If we don’t ask the tough questions now, and the Democrats do later, do we end up with The Obama Nation or Hillary’s Third Term?
abstractmind@217……
Yes I would actually, but I would also have to add that there is sticking to your guns and there is sitting on a dead horse. I,personally, think you are on that dead horse.
I would never presume to tell anyone how to vote, ever, I am just trying to figure out where the magical “real conservative” is that you all plan to vote for. Because if he doesn’t exist…and he doesn’t…all you are doing is proving that famous line “all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to sit on the fence in a moral conflict” and I believe it adds that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who do.”
So we have these two men to choose from…because as you well know voting for a third party is nothing more than showboating and throwing away your vote combined. One man is a socialist that despises America and everything she stands for and not only loves abortion he would ensure there was more of it, and on a much “grander” scale.
And then we have a real patriot who with all his flaws[and we all have them kids]he loves his country and tries to do what’s right and in the best interest of that country.
I, frankly, am really surprised that anyone who says McCain isn’t “conservative ‘enough would even consider throwing the election to the most liberal senator to ever come down the pike.And that’s what you will be doing if you “follow your heart and feelings” feelings are for hallmark cards,facts are for adults. You know this. You are a conservative. Obama is far left of Barbara Boxer on abortion…what else do you need to know?
BTW….I don’t know how old any of you are [obviously] but I remember people saying the same things about Reagan that they are now saying about McCain.
And now they talk about him being the best modern day president we ever had…which he was.
Ah…you have to love revisionist history……….
Trollman,
Your reply to my comments was nothing but a collection of intellectually dishonest equivalences, and I will not waste my time arguing them with you, or anyone else here.
Perhaps one day, everyone in this country will agree that a fetus is a child from conception, the same way that no sane person now believes that blacks aren’t people. I doubt it (it’s almost impossible to change anyone’s mind on this issue), but I don’t rule out the possibility. At this time, too large a percentage of this country doesn’t agree for me to think it’s right for the government to legislate pro-life policy.
Moreover, it’s really NOT that important. Our country will continue, regardless if abortion remains legal or not. Our economy will continue, our national security will be unaffected. Obama threatens both our economy, and our national security with his policies. . .and the only one with a real chance of preventing him from taking office is McCain. He gets my vote this fall (in spite of his being pro-life. . .).
I’m old enough to remember President Reagan, and yes, he was criticized for the same things as well. He was also the first divorced American president.
So you’re saying not only is John Quincy Adams a toddler, but he didn’t have a grasp of facts and followed his feelings?
So you’re saying John Quincy Adams is in hell for voting on principle rather than on party lines?
God says it’s a matter of life and death:
How can we sing “God Bless America” and at the same time allow a holocaust of 40+ Million children?
I do not trust John McCain. We may have gone to the same college and we both served, but I just cannot trust him. His past actions give the lie to his present words. My loyalties tell me to vote for him anyway, if for no other reason than that he is the “lesser of two evils.” But heres a question I still wrestle with … If both candidates will end up harming our country, do I really want it to be blamed on another “Republican”?
Yes, and my principle is that we should not succumb to socialism. We see the route that Europe has taken, and its impending demise. God help us if we elect a socialist who would take us down that same path.
alaskangrizzly…now that’s just silly you putting words in my mouth from someone else.
Perhaps you should instead be asking yourself what John Quincy Adams would be thinking right now and who he would vote for. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t measure up to either the sainthood clause that some people seem to be looking for or the real conservative measuring stick either……..
He also lived in the real world and would most likely be voting for McCain in this election over Obama…don’t you think?
I did, and the answer is he would vote on principle and not fall victim to the LOTE crowd. I know it’s hard concept for you to understand the whole voting on principle thing. Maybe a few more times reading this might make an atom-sized dent for you.
THIS JUST IN ! ! !
Hillary will be using the DNC to make a speech backing out of the democratic party due to it’s inability to work across party lines.
The next day she will be announced as McCain’s VP choice…
All of America stays home instead of voting.
You really have made an interpretive stretch there, RedPill. I saw that verse when it was posted earlier in this same commentary, and noted it didn’t really indicate anything with regards to abortion then, either.
Many of our ancestors came to this land to escape religious persecution, and I cannot countenance the idea of religion being the basis for legislating to America now either. Might as well institute Sharia or revive the inquisition.
For those of you who think this such a pivotal issue, I ask you.
Was not GWB pro-life? Yes.
Was not George Bush senior pro-life? Yes.
Was not Reagan pro-life? Yes.
How much did it matter during their terms. I’d be willing to bet my last dollar, that regardless if Obama or McCain gets elected, there will be no major change in abortion law.
All of this ranting and raving and pontificating over the issue will have been a waste of time yet again. Or maybe you’ll be thinking about taking on a 3rd job, trying to support your family under the weight of crushing taxes.
But it’s your choice.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of all involved I am compelled to point out that Deuteronomy is a poor place to look to make points about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness:
alaskangrizzly…..alas, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am voting along party lines.
Wrong-O.
If McCain were the Dem and Obama were the Republican [with the same views they have now] I would vote for Obama.
The abortion issue will be solved….and I think McCain will help do that. Socialism isn’t so easy to scrape off your feet……..
And now you are snarky? Okay, here’s an “atom sized dent” for you……
Adams would no more have cast a vote for the British than pigs can fly. And that’s what you would be doing….only in modern day real-world it’s a socialist and I think that would have scared the you-know-what out of Adams. Adams was a realist too you know, his whole life isn’t that one quote you are so desperately clinging to.
I see people here saying “they said the same thing about Reagan…”
setting McCain = Reagan, r that things said about Reagan are the same things being said about McCain.
This says a lot about those people.
They lie.
I lived through that time, had been voting for some time,(yeah, I voted for Nixon…,) and what was said about Reagan was nothing like this stuff.
Reagan didn’t say one thing, but do another. He was in tune w/the base. McCain ain’t that should tell you these people are pushing a lie.
Supporters lie, candidate honest?
*cracks knuckles*
And before i begin, i’ll lead off by saying i’m on said fence. My stance is neutral, so far as i can be.
On August 19th, 2008 at 3:20 pm, ChristmasGhost said:
I’ll call that fair. But its still my Constitutional dead horse that i have a right to own. No more than anyone else has a right to their vote.
You’re right, he doesnt. So we find ourselves at:
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You are referring to Edmond Burke, who famously said “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do *nothing*”. I certainly don’t intend on being idle.
And Dante’s famous line likewise spoke of people in neutrality. Again, who said anything about being neutral? If i voted for my dog, that isn’t neutral. And honestly, she’d do a better job.
Correct. I follow facts. But i’m still human. Regardless of the fact that whoever i vote for is going to be a calculated move, you’re attempting to color the statements as being some sentimental mush. I’ve demonstrated time and time again here that i’m all about facts. Emotions cloud things, makes them murky. I’ll take the cold hard facts anyday. But…then again, sometimes those facts are murky too. McCain isn’t the Maverick he wants people to think he is…he’s not the perfect conservative, but who is? None among us. But i refuse to capitulate to this solely on the fact its not obama. To me, thats simply not good enough.
Everything. Which is my point exactly. I’m not just bending over for McCain. I want to know it all. Will i vote for him in the end? Who knows. But i at least reserve the right to have all the facts I want at hand before doing so. I dont find that unreasonable.
In the end, the quote AG is using frames up my mentality.
just my 2 cents.
I am tired of the GOP thinking the LOTE is a winning argument. Especially when it is difficult to determine IF the GOP candidate really is the LOTE!
I am waiting for the GOP to go the way of the Whigs. Once that is done we can form a truly conservative party. It may take a decade or so but I am not going to vote for a liberal Republican agenda that gives us socialism in 16 years instead of the Dems who will do it in 8. Either way I get socialism.
After 20 years of GOP lies I am fed up and one night of John McCain saying all the right things just doesn’t make up for the last 20 years.
correction:
that! It should…
Your analogy fails, because just as Adams wouldn’t vote for the British he also wouldn’t vote for someone who calls himself American but in reality is a political maverick who reaches across the isle to Britain to his friends. With Obama you have a full out Socialist/Marxist, with McCain you have the same thing only the diet version. Both are going to kill you, one is just going to do it much faster than the other one.
WarEagle82:
How do you figure 20 yrs?
There were almost honest about GHWB, and anyone who remembered all the unsubstantiated attacks he launched against R.R. knew who he was.
I will admit to shock when (the then) Mr. Reagan picked him for VP.
Still, I voted for Reagan. I voted for him because I trusted him. He had a track record, and I knew he and I had enough common understanding of what was important that I trusted the rest of his decisions.
Exactly! the opposite of what currently obtains.
However, according to many people here, I should pick someone I don’t trust, who has made almost no attempt to earn my trust, and has no interest in whether I trust him or not. His actions say that frankly Its not his problem whether us bigots trust him or not.
So I ask: why put a man under obligation to me — as part of the Public Trust — by vouchsafe ing him my vote?
Michelle – Thanks for the nod on the shirt.
alaskangrizzly@262
Surely you aren’t even remotely suggesting that John McCain isn’t a real American and that just because someone is a democrat they are also not real Americans?
How about Zell Miller?
Gotcha…you little partisan you……;)
Sounds reasonable. McCain did well at Saddleback, but as Michelle noted before you break out the summer wardrobe it’s a good idea to wait for at least one more swallow to fly in.
Rudy, Lieberman, Ridge: these guys are all on the backside of the Republican party or not even associated with republicans. Nope, JM needs to select someone who will carry this party into the future. Pawlenty, Palin, Romney, Steele: all would be better choices to shore up his conservative base and look toward the future.
Hahahaha! A shirt all Americans can relate to!
The fianl arbiter for a lot of this controversy will be who MccCain picks as VP if it is aan anti-gun, pro-abortion fool., it will cost McCain big time.
But if I were to place bets right now, I think McCain is full of himself and will pick someone to screw conservatives…he wants to see us grovel-I won’t do it.
I vote Conservative, if they have a (D) next to their name and espouse conservative values I would consider voting for them. Just like there are Democrats in Alaska and other conservatives states that make RINOs with a (R) next to their name look like Obama by comparison.
He has an (R) in front of his name and that’s all you need to know. What’s best for the party is best for the people.
From your list I’d go with Palin. She would be a great selection in so many ways.
abstractmind…very good points all.
Okay…I understand that.
I guess I am just ahead in my research….LOL.
Abortion is legal period. Get over it. Is abortion good? no it isn’t but it’s needed for population control. Do women have the right to choice? You bet they do. Why do you guys feel like you have to make decisions for everybody else? Let’s think about it: if the baby is born to a mother who doesn’t want it or can’t afford to raise it, why make our society pay for this unwanted baby? If the mother gets welfare or any other government aid, that is you, me, and every taxpayer in America paying for her mistake. When all that is needed is a quick operation at a local clinic, or getting a prescription for an efficient abortifacient such as Mifepristone (Mifeprex/RU-486). At least that way we don’t have to pay for it. If the Christian Talibans want to “save” these babies so badly, let them pay for them, because I sure as hell don’t want to. In most other western countries, legalized abortion is no longer a political issue.
You are obviously ABSOLUTELY certain abortion isn’t going to cease being legal.
Another Eugenicist, no shocker there from your previous posts.
It will be again soon… which group in Europe has the highest birthrates and immigration rates again?
Honor killings are “legal” in most of the Muslim world. That doesn’t make it right.
There is a HUGE difference between “right” and “legal.” I prefer to aim for “right” and protect unborn children from people like you.
Just 2 observations:
“Edelweiss” is German for “nobel white”
It’s already been tried as a “Final Solution”, didn’t work.
Seems we have once again ran full force into Godwin’s Law.
They had the debate first. The Supreme Court deprived us of the debate, so we’ve been having it ever since.
I just love how some conservatives on the one hand demand judges who don’t legislate from the bench BUT those same folks on the other demand judges legislate from the bench to force pro-life legislation.
I am 100 percent pro-LIFE. But you don’t get to solid laws that are pro-life by playing the same underhanded game the left played with the courts.
We conservatives are rightly faulted for our being inconsistent. We don’t want big government handouts but for farmers, well maybe that’s ok. We don’t want judges who legislate from the bench but if they are pro-life, well that’s ok.
I do not want a pro-choice VP. However IF McCain selects someone like Tom Ridge it is also not the “sky is falling” cry that is being shouted from even the likes of David and Rush Limbaugh.
Tom Ridge would be a great VP. Sorry bu the would.
He will not be McCain’s choice but he’d have been okay none-the-less.
I just love how some conservatives on the one hand demand judges who don’t legislate from the bench BUT those same folks on the other demand judges legislate from the bench to force pro-life legislation.
I am 100 percent pro-LIFE. But you don’t get to solid laws that are pro-life by playing the same underhanded game the left played with the courts.
We conservatives are rightly faulted for our being inconsistent. We don’t want big government handouts but for farmers, well maybe that’s ok. We don’t want judges who legislate from the bench but if they are pro-life, well that’s ok.
I do not want a pro-choice VP. However IF McCain selects someone like Tom Ridge it is also not the “sky is falling” cry that is being shouted from even the likes of David and Rush Limbaugh.
Tom Ridge would be a great VP. Sorry but he would.
He will not be McCain’s choice but he’d have been okay none-the-less.
President Truman obviously agreed with the Supreme Court decision in 1892 which said, “this is a Christian nation.”
edelweiss……..abortion is a big issue because it has become the poster child for slippery-slope.
when life becomes so cheap pretty soon they start looking around for other life that doesn’t really matter. old people, sick people, retarded people…and always with that “i wouldn’t want to live that way” mentality. who asked them?
my mother was dehydrated to death by doctors when she was terminally ill based on this mentality and there wasn’t one damn thing i could do about it. not one.
so much for choice, huh?
i was in high school in the 70’s in marin county…and it wasn’t like sex wasn’t going on all the time….it was. guess how many girls got pregnant at my school with abortion being illegal?
think of obama’s accomplishments and you have the answer….Z-E-R-O.
Amazing how once abortion became legal it was then needed constantly by the same girls i went to school with that had managed to use birth control really well until, well, abortion became legal….then it was used as birth control. one “friend” had SIX abortions and then couldn’t figure out why she had trouble conceiving later.
yeah…a real mystery.
if they want to “give” women “choice” they shouldn’t bother. we already have it and it’s called using birth control responsibly.
or else i demand that they let us kill the brats when they are 16 and so annoying you know darn well why insects eat their young……just kidding. sort of…..
Its all good. And i dont know about the research part, i’m a research engine
I have things i’m still looking at. Its the decision thats the hard part.
Other than the fact you’ve never seen the enter key on your keyboard, lets examine your post, shall we?
my my, how much fun can *I* have with this? So abortion is legal, fair. But the “get over it” is usually from people who are tired of hearing an opposing view and dont really have a line of defense against anything, they just dont want to hear it anymore.
That’s tough.
but population control????? seriously, there are some unhinged people here at times, but thats icing for democratically made sh!tcake. I’m not even sure i could reference enough things to ridicule your assertion here, but would Nazi be good enough? Have some Eugenics with that lovely slice of cake there? I mean seriously, you’re studying to be a doctor? Did Kevorkian put out a casting call or something? If you want some more of that, i’m sure i could indulge you in other people who espouse the same idea as you.
to refute and go further:
GASP! People DO think about that! It’s called adoption! PHEW, glad there’s a solution to THAT problem!!!!
Oh Noes. You might have me ther…..oh, wait. It’s called “get off your @$$ and get a job”. I am a staunch believer in the “if you dont work, you dont eat” idea. worked for John Smith. And they didnt abort anyone to do it!
Personal witness to those “quick” proceedures. You make it sound like its someone going in to have a wart removed or someone getting a checkup. Be more honest about the actual proceedure, and the physical recovery time. You’re a doctor, so you should know those statistics. Or do you need a layman like me to relate them to you?
Planned Parenthood receives hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding. Nice try though doc!
Must have missed the memo…there are lots of loving people who want to save them, but have to deal with people like you to get it done. And even though i’m agnostic, calling Xtians “taliban” shows your bias and ignorance.
And we see the state of those countries. However, I’m sure you dont need geography refreshers to realize we dont actually live in other countries. We live here, in the US. And its still an issue.
there ya go griz. one fresh slam dunk
Woot!
Per Sean Hannity’s radio show…
News from the RNC: McCain will NOT choose a pro-abortion running mate, stating that he, “GOT THE MESSAGE.”
w00t!!!!
If John McCain is a “Reagan Republican”, then why doesn’t John McCain do as Ronald Reagan said:
ITooktheredPill:
Would you say that atheists are un-American and that they shouldn’t be called “patriots?”
While thats good, its kinda sad he didnt already have the message..its not like we’re ambiguous about it.
Well done, Abstract.
I believe children CAN pray in schools whenever they want, on thier own or in groups. It just can’t be led by the school officials.
Now that we have your attention, Border Fence and Deporting the invaders.
A true Reagan Republican said:
John Ansell@ 293……
classic!