Is McCain going to screw conservatives (again)?; RNC says message received?
Scroll down for updates…3:42pm Eastern… Message received? Fox: “Several sources at the RNC told FOX News that in the last 36 hours, senior McCain advisers and aides have told RNC officials that McCain ‘got the message’ last week that choosing a running mate who supports abortion rights would not be helpful.” Don’t exhale yet.
Wouldn’t put it past him. Would you? Which is why, despite all the encomiums he’s received from his Saddleback appearance, I haven’t joined the ga-ga bandwagon (and won’t).
Rich Lowry reports:
NR has learned that the McCain campaign has been calling key state GOP officials around the country the last couple of days and sounding them out about the consequences of a pro-choice VP pick. The campaign is asking about the reaction of conservative grass-roots activists to such a pick and whether a pro-choicer can be sold to them. This is an indication that the McCain campaign is serious about the possibility of a pro-choice VP nominee and that McCain leaving the door open to Tom Ridge last week may not have been merely a friendly nod to a longtime supporter.
Sound off. Guess they didn’t hear you loud enough the first go around.
Hat tip: Big A.
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Update: David Limbaugh calls it…
McCain must quit echoing the Democratic talking point that places form over substance and the illusion of bipartisanship above principle. Who says Americans “want us to work together” if that means abandoning legal protection for the innocent unborn or other inviolable principles?
Update: McRudy?!?!?!
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There is no such thing as a “conservative” who by his action or inaction would aid and abet an Obama presidency.
LouBill Grant:Sorry, I can’t understand you! I speak several languages, but not bullsh!t…
Thanks for your visit! Please use the restroom next time…
You heard it here first folks, the politics of fear! If you don’t vote McCain you are not conservative! Nevermind that you are pro-life, pro-military, pro-second amendment and own several guns and a concealed carry license, pro-smaller government, pro-less taxes and government entitlement programs. If you don’t vote the party line you are not a conservative.
Yeah, thanks RINO cheerleader.
Thanks, purplepeep.
For those who don’t already know,
I have first-hand experience with an atheist silencing my voice over a disagreement about the 1st Amendment.
martin@391…….your post was too ridiculous for words…really.
So if anyone has a differing view they are obviously paid operatives and liberals?
Oh good grief……..
Bill Grant, allowing the illegals in leads to that kind of education plan. He supports them and that’s why I call it the McAmnesty education plan.
Look, if McAmnesty said that he would cut all funding to sanctuary cities, I would start to listen to him. If he came out and said, “Juan Hernandez has been let go from my campaign.” I would listen even more. If he came out and said his McCain/Kennedy bill was the biggest mistake in his life, then I would really start to warm up to the guy.
But his, “secure the border first, Then…..” It’s amnesty he’s pushing.
When asked about his biggest moral mistake, he cited his failed marriage. I bet Cindy really liked that answer, “Cindy, you’re my biggest moral mistake.” What charm he Has.
Are those of you on this thread against weak borders, are you against the giving of hard earned money to medical care, food, and other welfare benefits to the same illegal aliens who crossed the sovereign border of this country? Are you , through your faith, anathema to abortion , a privilege given to a populace as wrong as the Court that ruled against Dred Scott? If so, do you have the courage to stand and say you are not my representative for President? For without a stand against those mentioned issues, I don’t trust either of them to fight the battle against the hegemonists who are Russians and the Islamofascists who are taking over Europe as we speak. This is not paranoia or negativism, it’s reality. You either have a moral and patriotic code or you don’t. IMHO.
Hi Martin,
I guess having no scruples makes for an adult in some people’s minds. Notice they can’t even imagine a plan ‘C’ that would demand a different candidate than McCain.
With folks like Grant around, it’s best to cover your furniture with plastic.
Joy
You might want to have a chat with your buddy Bill then because according to him if we have a differing view on who constitutes a real conservative and don’t follow his buddy to our own deaths then we are obviously liberals or paid operatives.
martin.musculus(jr.) said:
That’s great marty, haven’t heard that since the 3rd grade. If you pick up any more bons mots at recess be sure to share them, eh?
I have a feeling that most people who dislike McCain but fear Obama’s one way ticket to a shattered America (myself included) will pull the lever for McCain on election day.
It doesn’t mean they are happy about it or proud of the rationalization, but demonization of the posters here who voice a disagreement with the McCain fanboys isn’t productive at all.
It is incredibly condescending to lecture us about the alternative to a McCain vote. I’d be happy if the McCain fanboys would just call McCain the spade that he is…a liberal and highly imperfect solution for those that care about this country and Conservative values.
A true Conservative isn’t a fan of McCain, Bill.
Question:
As Governor of Massachusetts, did Mitt Romney do anything to stop taxpayer-funded abortions?
Listen, I have no doubts that those here who want to seal our borders (me too) are true conservatives (barring some nutjobs like Rob).
However those conservatives who actually believe that by sitting out on this election or voting 3rd party will NOT aid Obama are fooling themselves.
C’mon! Have some pragmatism! Politics is a dirty game of compromise. We have a choice between Dumb and Dumber, and I’m going to go with Dumb because the alternative is too dreadful to bear.
On August 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm, alaskangrizzly said
Sorry to “scare” you. I hope you recover from that soon.
Never mind that Obama is ardently against all of the above… and McCain supports them.
I think it is amusing when someone defends not voting for Republicans by calling someone who is a “RINO”.
It’s clear you expect Obama to win, Bill, and the polls suggest that’s a good bet to make.
But that’s not anyone fault but McCain’s. For every step forward he takes he takes at least 2 or 3 back. After a good showing at Saddleback he still needs “his people” to keep reminding him of the Republican base’ position on abortion?
And I do agree with you, his time and the RNC’s time would be much better spent on cracking down and attacking conservatives. As you say, Bill, “Fear the wrath of the RNC!”
On August 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, Joy said:
No, just being mature enough to call off the hiissy fit in the face of a real threat to the country.
It aint going to happen. We are2 months away from the election. (good lord)
My guess? You already have the slipcovers. Have a seat.
Lets look at the issues and see who is better for me:
War- McCain- my number 1 issue (may be the only truly important issue as all others revolve around this one)
Abortion- McCain
Immigration- McCain (yeah, imagine that)
Taxes- McCain
Economy- McCain
Education-McCain
Energy- McCain
Health Care- McCain
Spending- McCain
Judicial-McCain
Foreign Policy-McCain (depending on view)
Environment-McBama- ok this is a toss up
Hmmmmmmmm…. which one……?
If I want to send a message to McCain, I will write letters and emails and make phone calls, etc.
Withholding my vote to send him a message seems like cutting off my nose to spite my face and seems to be the least effective alternative. If I really want to accomplish something, I don’t see voting for 3rd parties or not voting as very viable. We must come up with better ideas than staying home. Think.
Melvin, Ghost,
you can’t be serious.
you sound like the Euroweenies.
You know, I started writing a point-by-point showing the differences between your statements & those that have conservative roots.
Then I realized that either you have your fingers in your ears, or you’re still a kid. I have less patience with Bill & ath because they’ve displayed the ability to think — they just don’t choose to.
Look, try to think 1 season ahead, ok.
You talk about Obama crushing Political Free Speech. What about McCain-Feingold, sir? And that’s the one that came out of committee, with all the conservatives, (what few there were) trying to stop it.
McCain said previously that we were the problem, That’s changed? Why, how?
McCain’s specialty is giving the farm away to the Left. How has that changed?
With a Pres. McCain, head of the RNC, how will we push back from the cliff?
What do you use as a basis for thinking he’ll listen when he no longer needs us? Do you have inside info, or are you just fear driven?
I really want to know.
zeroangel,
Sorry to take so long to get back to your question:
Nothing is wrong with a “moment of silence”.
No one would force a child to pray.
But what you have happening right now are multiple instances of 1st amendment rights being taken away by judicial fiat.
I believe we can, we must, and we will take back our first amendment rights.
I’m a Reagan Republican.
In my opinion, John McCain is not a Reagan Republican…he is a George H. W. Bush (41, not 43) Republican.
Obama would be worse than a second Carter term.
McCain would be like a second George H. W. Bush (41) term. Souter confirmation included.
This is like 1992 all over again.
People who were not enchanted with George H.W. Bush (and for good reason), voted for Ross Perot.
Guess what that did?
It gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton.
Come on, folks, think straight!
PB, I think the problem for McCain in that regard is the “lesser of 2 evils” argument works best in Republican circles and, even then,is barely sufficient for conservatives.
The voting public as a whole won’t give it as much consideration. Even if it were the general public operative, polls indicate the majority of Americans currently see Obama as the “lesser of evils”.
On August 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, purplepeep said:
According to whom? Has he renounced his pro choice position?
Conservative is as conservative does. Wanting a nanny state isn’t a conservative attribute and that seems like what many of you are holding out for. You want to flip your lever for the perfect candidate and go home and be done with it. Well guess what, it doesn’t work that way. Whomever we elect we are going to have to stay involved with. Isn’t it smarter to elect someone who will actually be amenable to conservative positions rather then someone who thinks you are a bitter gun clinger for doing so?
You love putting words into other peoples mouths purple, I think that tactic is smarmy. People will remember who was for and who was against Obama though when he drives the greatest country in the history of humanity into the ground.
atheling,
I’m not talking about sitting anything out. There are a lot of other races.
“Too dreadful to bear…” comment has me worried. Its too much like “peace at any price” Or “better a live slave than a dead freeman”.
Both of which gave their users the same hysterical disregard for facts…
You are diametrically opposed to the beliefs of the men who fought for and won our country’s independence, wrote our Constitution, and built the country that remains the “shining city on a hill”.
Do a little research.
I loathe this nebulous, ignorant mass known as “the voting public”. When more and more of that “voting public” consists of criminals, illegals and people who don’t think of themselves as Americans first, it is no surprise that we find ourselves in the situation we’re in.
Depressing.
My feelings as well.
As Michelle likes to say:
We’re Screwed ‘08
On August 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, John Ansell said:
No, electing democrats to the school board leads to that kind of education plan.
McCain has promised enforcement first which will give us time to push for a more stringent immigration policy. That means you have to actually push. The other side is pushing, why aren’t you? Do you think that writing in someone who isn’t running will help push for what you want? How about railing against the only person standing in the way of electing someone who is truly open borders?
Purple:
Whose fault is that?
I saw we Conservatives had a hand in it, unfortunately.
As soon as R.R. left office, the Country-clubbers started the work of burying Conservatism. We haven’t had a leader since who’s both understood it AND had the bully-pulpit of the Presidency.
So, they haven’t been taught about Conservatism, except by its enemies. People like JN aided the effort, and even helped give cover to “shut-up” laws: CFR, making the MEDIA even more powerful than it had been.
All you have to do is call your opinion “news”, and you’re exempt. THATS certainly honest! A true conservative value, that!
Do we have atleast that common ground, or are you ok with CFR?
We’re Screwed ‘08 and maybe 09′10′11′12′13′14′15′16′ and if all those years happen….
17′18′19′20′21′ etc… etc…etc…
No Odumbo’08
He can still save himself, if he wants to. If he picked a real conservative like Palin as his VP people would rally behind him. But to go 180 and float pro-choice balloons is just plain political suicide. Did he really expect to win more votes than lose with that idea? Apparently so, because it took what I can only guess is many thousands of angry e-mails and phone calls to “get the message” he should have “gotten” to begin with.
There’s been a lot of us on the fence waiting to see if it was worth plugging our nose for McCain and Saddleback looked promising. Then he goes and shoots himself in the foot two days later with this nonsense proving you really can snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Ponder this, if McCain does win and turns out to be a worse RINO than we even expected and makes Bush look like the second coming of Reagan what do you think is going to happen in 2012? Obama will just pick up the ball then and win in a historic landslide and have an easy 8 years to himself to “destroy the country” like you all are pitching now. Plus if that happened Congress is garunteed to stay a liberal majority. Obama needs Congress help to pass his Marxist plans there anyhow, which is why most of my attention is focused right now on getting real Conservatives like Bill Russell into the game so we can have a majority back on the Hill to stand up to the President whether it be Marxist or RINO. If McCain wins and the country keeps on going as it is right now, it won’t matter how blue in the face Bill Grant and others get trying to convince us that Obama now is worse than 8 years of Obama later.
Sarah Palin is speaking at the event in Ohio.
Don’t be surprised if she gets it. It could be novel.
On August 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, purplepeep said:
“For every step forward he takes he takes at least 2 or 3 back.”
I think you meat “pro-life” there, Bill. You’re getting too much caught up in emotionalism. But the point I raised is on the bases’ position; McCain is still dependent on his staffs best guesses/interpretations of what it might be. How can it be that he’s not aware of a long-time GOP position on a major issue and needs to be repeatedly told what it is?
As I said, I join you in hoping the RNC – the “people” you cited – does have an excellent memory after this election year.
Bill Grant, I’m at ground Zero and fight against McAmnesty because he still has Juan Hernandez on his campaign. Meet Juan Hernandez and then tell me why McAmnesty still has him on his campaign. It wasn’t the Kennedy/Obama bill that was being pushed on us. It was the McCain/Kennedy bill. With Kennedy having a brain tumor, I can forgive him for that. McCain still has not explained what the hell he was thinking pushing that bill.
Have you signed the petition for Jamiel’s law? Have you spent time getting those petitions signed? Just today I sent off letter of complaint to the LAPD for their vile treatment of Jamiel Shaw Sr. over the weekend. Bet you don’t know what happened to him. Here’s a hint, they harassed him over his hour of power. They even required him to produce I.D. (including SS#) which they won’t do to the illegal invaders.
Bottom Line, he’s representing Illegal invaders when he should be representing me and the rest of the legal Americans, immigrants here legally as well.
I don’t care how much lipstick you have, but it’s not going to cover up McAmnesty’s pig.
“…who supports ABORTION RIGHTS>>>”
(emphasis mine)….
Mc’s handlers are still and will always use LIBERAL TALK!!!!!
I deal in black and whites….
pro-life >>>>the opposite>>>PRO-DEATH…
..abortion RIGHTS>>>>PLEEEASE!!!
CS LFL
Odd how fighting a Leftward March = wanting a nannie state.
Say, Bill, you keep saying these sort of things.
‘You want a perfect candidate, that sounds like nannie state to me!’
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
So, voting MY mind forces YOU HOW?
I usually can follow your silliness, but I really need that explained.
IMHO, she would be the biggest boost to the ticket of all the names that have been floated so far.
ITookTheRedPill….You cannot be serious?
Here’s a little research for you. Not only am I a member of the DAR but my family came to America on the mayflower and one of the signatures on the declaration of independence belongs to my ancestor. I grew up eating reading and breathing the constitution. My family is full of governors and senators and judges…..we were raised to put our country first at all times. There has been a family member in every single war this country has fought up until Desert Storm……and for you to imply that I don’t know anything about the constitution simply because we disagree puts you firmly in the moonbat camp. You are no different.
And, really, who is ignorant of the constitution and the will of the founding fathers here? I am not the one that wants to inject religion into government every five seconds am I?
So better not defeat Obama because it might lead to obama getting elected.
Obama will have a democratic majority. there will be nothing to stop them.
Again, better to have an Obama presidenct now because it might mean that you get one later? That does not make one bit of sense.
Obama will have 4 or 8 more years of a record that he will have to run on. Do you think he can contain himself for that long? Heh, he has to lock his wife away now..
John, you’re such a bigot!
Its true, I really do know!
I know, I know!
Because Johnny told me so!
purp, a few of us out here in are rooting for Sarah…… it’s possible.
“If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.” Daniel 3:17,18
How can I expect God to deliver me if I vote for evil, even the ‘lessor of the two’?
God will be with me(us) and deliver me (us) only if I (we) stand firm and do not throw my (our) principles out the window.
That John McCain would even condider a pro-abortion candidate tells me he is not serious about his pro-life stance. This issue and many others are non-negotionable and I will not compromise.
Voting for McCain to me is like voting for a man who will only cut my neck half-way off. The result will be death either way. I am willing to die for principle. What I am not willing to do is attempt to save my life by throwing my principles and God, not to mention the babies, under the bus. Period. Non-negotiable.
If I stand firm, He is able to deliver me, but if not, I’d rather be enslaved or die and have a clean conscience before God. Eternity is a lot longer than this short life.
Palin would make McCain palatable.
Christmasghost. Read your bible bro. Everything that you’ve said is predicted in it.
“if it weren’t for some Christians…everyone would be one”.
Yeah, everyone would be going with the flow just like you want to do. A sheeple of the people is what you are suggesting I & others become.
You never addressed one of my most important points. How far do we go in compromising our principles before the next Republican after McCain says: “Oh well you let McCain off the hook for abortion thing, now why can’t I believe in People marrying goats? What are you a bigot?”
If the Democrat on the ticket that year believes that you can marry Goats, as well as chickens, I suppose you will say I should vote for the Republican, because well.. at least he’s only into the goat thing..
I mean how stupid are you dude to say some of the things you said above? You’ve never heard the phrase “give em an inch & they’ll take a mile?”
It’s not my fault that you have no problem being a shape shifter & fluid on your principles, because you think it’s going to save you from people like Obama. The only thing that will save you is to stand up for what is right.
How far has this party already strayed from it’s founding principles?
You remind me of a prosecutor who makes “a deal” with a criminal who’s killed people. No death penalty for him if he turns in the other killers. Then he gets out & rapes & murders another because the prosecutor had no balls to just go to trial & do the leg work to get a conviction.
Well I’m not explaining to God someday why I helped put people in office who would let baby be slaughtered for convenience, or for those who don’t mind illegals coming here & stealing identities & ruining financial lives.
If you want to vote for him go ahead, but quit your whining about who or how I vote, because you’re starting to sound like a communist who wants to force your will on everyone else..
On August 19th, 2008 at 8:06 pm, John Ansell said:
“he still has Juan Hernandez on his campaign”
Juan Hernandez is a nobody, a volunteer. He has been made in to a bogey man by people who are feeding you BS.
“It was the McCain/Kennedy bill.”
You have yet to answer just what it is that you propose to do about this? You don’t like illegal immigration, that’s fine, neither do I. Now what? Do you elect someone who is committed to open borders or do you elect someone who has promised enforcement first and get INVOLVED to push for better law. Those are the choices. (Well, you could just sit back, complain here but that isn’t going to do anything but get you more illegals.)
“Bottom Line, he’s representing Illegal invaders”
No he is not. And the choice is him and a fight or open borders. Deny that. Show me another viable alternative.
Christmas Ghost… my ancestors have the same lineage that you espouse…. so what makes you the imprimatur of historical fact? I was taught that government stays out of our faces, our borders are ours, and life is sacred.
Oh, and I never thought I’d have to play this card, I fought for this friggin country and bled. I will sooooo pay for this…..lol
I would trust Joy standing behind me with a loaded pistol.. I can’t say that for everyone who calls themselves a Conservative these days..
martin.musculus(jr.) said:
You are not fighting a leftward march by helping to lose an election to a hard core leftist which is what Obama is.
Ghost, what’s your pedigree got to do with it?
If you actually read the papers the Founders wrote, you’d see that the “the wall between Church and State”, taken from one letter written to explain why Jefferson refused to supported a Federal religious holiday when he co-wrote and pushed through the passage of one when govenor has been all blown out of shape.
This was commonly known until the late 50s. My Dad has, somewhere, a quote from a Supreme stating admonishing the Courts that if they kept using that language, people might have the misapprehension that it was true. And part of the Constitution.
If you read the works of the Founders you’ll see they never intended to chop off our religious roots.
What you’re seeing happen to the republican party is because the party now believes it can do this without God.
God warned the dummies (in principle)here:
But they just aren’t listening..
One foot on the boat, & one foot on the dock.. Better hope there are no sharks when you fall in.
#442:
Lots of blustery heat, but no light.
Just you saying so doesn’t make it so. Sorry. No humor, no sarcasim, I mean that. I am sorry that your saying so doesn’t make it true.
Since you didn’t bother to answer the meat of the post you referenced, I have a question for you:
without referencing ObaminationCan you prove McCain will keep his word? Can you give me any evidence beyound his word that he will keep his word? I’m grasping at straws here. I want to believe JM, I was comfortable as an R before they decided to stick their finger in my eye… repeatedly and often.
Not sure what planet McCain lives on, or his campaign managers… but the people I know who would like to see McCain win are starting to talk about him losing more than they are talking about him winning.
Note to McCain. I dunno what your being told, but you are not connecting with your voting base like you think you are. If you are wanting to lose this race, you’re doing a pretty good job of it.
We’re paying the price for letting the libcoms take over the media, & elect our candidate basically.
I have to hand it to them, they knew he’d try to appease everyone & end up pleasing no-one, so they helped him get elected.
His ( & our) only hope is for him to show himelf a full polar opposite of Obama..
ChristmasGhost,
I applaud your family history, and thank every single one of them who fought for our country.
Since you are a Mayflower descendant, you likely know what the Mayflower Compact said…
The original document was lost, but the transcriptions in Mourt’s Relation and William Bradford’s journal Of Plymouth Plantation are in agreement and accepted as accurate. Bradford’s hand written manuscript is kept in a special vault at the State Library of Massachusetts. Bradford’s transcription is as follows:
It doesn’t sound like they believed in “separation of church and state”.
You won’t find the words “separation”, “church”, or “state” in the First Amendment.
You know full well that our country was founded by men and women who did not separate their faith from their politics. The first amendment was written to protect their rights and ensure that they were not silenced.
Now, liberals try to use the 1st amendment to silence Christians. It is they who are acting like “the Taliban or another version of it”.
That is where you are wrong, and why I said what I said. Quotes from our founding fathers all the way up to Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan prove you wrong.
Martin:
You don’t have to vote for McCain. But when his opponent gets elected by a similar margin to Bush in 2000, you will have forfeited any right to complain about the following 4 years.
That means you will not be able to complain about any potential problems that will come up, including a North American Union, potential collapse of our government into a Euro-socialist state.
Make your decision wisely.
Yup. I gather the question was not about her ancestry but about her views of religion being not in synch with that of the Founders.
If Michelle et al. didn’t present the facts good or bad to readers I’m sure we would have had worse candidates by now. Yup the truth hurts Bill-and hopefully a few of the political critters will see the light once exposed.
Funny I didn’t see this article in the US Constitution.
To the contrary though, I did see the First Amendment that says I can complain to whoever I want whenever I want.. They just don’t have to listen..
Geez, talk about pulling some BS out of your @$$..
Oh one more thing, the Government is already collapsing into a Euro-socialist one. Where the hell have you been?
This thread grew to 450+ behind my back, so forgive me if this has been mentioned. His position sounds suspiciously like his quote in Atlantic Mag (paraphrasing) “if they want a goddamned fence, I’ll give it to them.”
IOW, respect for the conservative position is begrudging at best.
just saw a commercial for that conservative candidate mccain talking about how he’s taken on BIG OIL and BIG TOBACCO and WALL STREET he’s gonna save us all from those EVIL CORPORATIONS!!!
this from mr. cap and trade….he’s a socialist through and through.
pathetic. and disturbing to see.
Just another in a long list of pokes to the eye from McCain. But instead of the usual, I’m going to go off on a tangent just to see what everyone thinks.
Let’s say for the moment that despite everything, McCain is elected President. All well and good, but for a few small problems.
- He will have just beaten the MSM’s messiah. That means they’ll make what they did to Bush over the past eight years pale in comparison to what they’ll do to him.
- He’s not going to have us either after all he’s done. Even those conservatives that vote for him in November will have only elected him to be a Placeholder President: a warm body occupying the White House so that Obama couldn’t. Guess how friendly we’ll have to be once his only possible worth in this whole sordid campaign season has been served?
I truly hope McCain has enjoyed his years of eye-poking. Because should he happen to win, he may be the first occupant of the White House in my lifetime to be raked over the coals by both the MSM and the Conservative media at the same time.
the msm won’t rake him over the coals, because he’ll do whatever they want…all in the name of ‘bipartisanship’
I’m doing it all for God’s children my friends…hehehehehehehehhe
Dan Lee,
Yes, you have the right to complain. But, those who ask if you voted, when you tell them that you didn’t, will take one look at you and disregard every single thing ye say.
You don’t vote, you say to America “We don’t care.” And it will be on your heads entirely. That’s what people who “undervote” do.
So, you have two choices once McCain picks the veep: You either back him, or you damn the rest of America to 4 years of Obama, all because your pick isn’t perfect.
Which means that your freedoms go bye-bye. Then again, I have this feeling you really don’t give a damn about the Constitution or people’s freedoms. Just that your selfish interests are served.
to all…first of all the pilgrims and the founding fathers are two different groups of people….you know that, right?
and they had very different agendas. one brought us freedom after the first group brought us things like the Salem witch trials….and a very humorless version of Christianity.[i still have some of these people lurking about in my family....]it was quite a learning curve before the actual founding fathers got their backs up about taxes and decided to do something about it, and founded this country.obviously that’s the abbreviated take on it.
and, sorry, i didn’t mean it to sound like a “pedigree”, i was simply pointing out how completely stupid it is to assume that just because someone disagrees with you that they don’t know what they are talking about….that they don’t have a history of being able and willing to read the constitution.
sorry, but it was that snarky comment about reading the constitution.
as far as the religious views of the founding fathers…so now Washington was a Christian just like you?your brand of Christianity? are you sure?
let me put it to you this way….
Some Christians think they are right about God, they think their religion is the only one that counts. how is this different from other people and religions? they think the same thing. some of them, the ones that really worry me, are more than happy to cut people’s heads off in the name of religion.
and if i were to follow your ideals of who is qualified to be in office most of our founding fathers would not have qualified.
for the guy that said i should read my bible….oh, please. “judge not lest ye be judged”? ring any bells? how about “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”? ring any bells?
how would you feel if someone walked into your church and wanted to choose your pastor based on political principles? would that be okay?no?
well, why not….you want to choose the next president based on religious principles. i’m sorry but that is beyond silly.
i want a patriotic moral american in the office and some of you want to be “right” at all costs…..as in this chillingly selfish rant:”Well I’m not explaining to God someday why I helped put people in office who would let baby be slaughtered for convenience, or for those who don’t mind illegals coming here & stealing identities & ruining financial lives.”
me me me me me ….I’m sure god will take that into consideration….after he has a little talk with you about where your finances actually stand in the big picture. and illegals? what would Jesus do? do you think he would want to treat illegals the same way you obviously do? most likely that would be a “no”….
but hey, I’m with you on illegals, abortion, taxes…everything except for that whole part about “i’m going to show America a thing or two when obama ruins the country. that will sure teach them” and i certainly don’t want Christian values…which this country was founded on…thrown out.
you obviously didn’t get the memo did you? john mccain is pro life and had no problem saying it. but you are ready to shut him out based on a rumor that was floating around the internet that he
mightmaybewillcould pick a pro choice candidate.it seems your biases are showing again….why not just be honest. no matter what mccain says or does you will keep moving the bars so that he never quite measures up.
definitely a real good Christian move…never forgive, judge constantly, and always assume everyone is lying but you…….
what a thinker…..
whats really unseemly is conservatives having to pressure, and hope and pray that mccain will pick a pro-life VP, or work for name-your-conservative-cause here.
and people think they’ll be successful? I have a bridge to sell ya….
and you think they won’t go bye-bye with mr. mccain-feingold, cap and trade???
please.
hate to tell ya, but Jesus was not for breaking the law. He paid His taxes, and the bible is clear about the authority of governments…which by the way, HE places in and out of power, just as he has given the nations their dwelling places.
Jesus will throw people into hell, He’s not some liberal wacko that the left portrays Him as.
I’d rather take the enemy that I know, Right4Life, than the enemy that will kill America quicker.
You bring up Cap-And-Trade like that’s even a valid statement. It isn’t. Political posturing, as per usual. Of course, there’s the whole idea that this is all going to happen anyways and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
Which is true, all of the things that are going to be bad for America will happen regardless of who gets in. But would you rather have Barack Obama, a man of questionable regard and willing to turn America into the next caliphate? Or would you have someone who would at least put up a fight?
You’re weak. You’ll come around eventually.
here’s a little reminder about what is at stake here:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/08/only-obama-poster-youll-ever-need.html
“Jesus will throw people into hell, He’s not some liberal wacko that the left portrays Him as.”
fred phelps is that you? been handling snakes lately?
wow….that is one scary comment. what book have you been reading anyway?
We’ll soon see if Johnny has had a sufficient come to Jesus moment. He best, or it’s see ya later!
He best get it in his head that as long as the MSM is not loving him, only then is he doing something right and stands a great chance of winning. DC poison is a VERY bad thing.
and BTW…just how do you know what Jesus will do anyway….did he tell you personally?
see…this is what i mean when i say that religion belongs in churches and people’s hearts and not in the government. if they have it they can control it and then they will shove their version down your throat. kinda like that scary comment you just made.
right4life…i think you need to choose another name. say how about “i-love-it-when-people-are-thrown-into-hell-can-i-watch”?
that has such a ring to it…..
With a two party system, you have to get the party to open the door for a candidate. The LOTE route prevents us from ever getting a conservative in. Let’s face it, we end up voting for whatever is “slightly right” of the other guy the other party is trying to foisted on us. (Party nominee is usually decided before I even got to vote.)
I am writing in John Bolton or maybe Ronald Reagan. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A LIBERAL even if he claims to heaven that he has heard the word and is a true conservative. I know what McCain is.
I have always voted the republican ticket, but I refuse to be called a republican anymore because the party has nothing to do with conservative values anymore. Compassionate Conservatives are just socialists by another name. The longer we continue to vote for the LOTE, the more candidates like that we will be presented by the party.
Why won’t I vote for the lesser of two evils this time like I have in the past? At some point in time, you have to pull the outlet protectors out and let the kid stick that penny in the wall socket. You can try to stop him all you want, talk until you are blue in the face, but you can’t watch him forever. He is not going to believe that electricity hurts until he experiences it. It is time for the current voting generation to remember what conservative principles are and why socialism is bad. If we wait too much longer for a a real world close encounter, it will be like teenagers playing with the transformers and someone will not survive contact with electricity.
We can debate SCOTUS changes (will McCain actually put up a strict constitutionalist? Who would be stepping down and would McCain or Obama change the status quo?) but I think it’s a wash. What will really change? Since we are talking about politicians, I think we are more likely to have “conservatives” develop a spine in opposing a president with a D, instead of having a cover to continue sending pork home in a quest for yet another term in office.
If we have a liberal president who is going to continue the pursuit of changing the US into a socialist utopia, he should at least have a D by his name.
The BIBLE, maybe you should try it before making idiotic comments about Jesus.
and yes Jesus is the judge of the living and the dead.
1 Timothy 4:
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall ajudge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
and then try reading revelation…get a clue.
sorry 2 timothy 4
yeah He wrote this book for me..and everyone else, its called the Bible..duhhhhhhh
I see I’ve been casting pearls before swine.
but its OK to shove YOUR religion of atheism down our throats…nice
some pigs are more equal than others…
and you think mccain will?? oh this is too funny!! he’s in the lead of amnesty, cap and trade, eroding free speech…pathetic.
you’re weak, and will bend over for anyone with an R after his name…
zeroangel said:
Tell me, in that time and place, what would normally happen to a single woman who had been violated? Surely you know, right? Don’t tell me you would ridicule the laws without knowing the context, right?
In many ways, the Law of Moses is still way ahead of our current legal system. Exodus 21:22-25, unlike our current laws, acknowledges that a baby in the womb is human.
I would gladly take Moses’ punishment for rapists and child molesters over our current system, where people often get out in a few months.
ChristmasGhost said:
The “judge not” passage (Matthew 7:1-5) does not forbid judging others, it forbids hypocritical judgment. In fact, in the context, Jesus expects you to judge others.
The “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” passage (John 8:1-11) does not forbid judging others, either. The Law of Moses said you only stoned people if you had 2-3 eye witnesses. The eye witnesses were to cast the first stones in the stoning. To do so opened you up to investigation. You could be taken to court, and if there was anything shady about the situation, you could be stoned.
Since the whole thing was obviously a set up, they would make their own lives forfeit. That is why Jesus said “He who is without sin among you”, that is, he who can testify against this woman without sinning, should cast the first stone. There were laws about testifying in a death penalty case (see Exodus 23:1-2, 7-8; Deuteronomy 19:15-21).
patrick # 468 –
You said it all!!!!
The RNC had better get the message or there WILL be a STRONG T_H_I_R_D >>>> P_A_R_T_Y by this time 2012~!!!!!!!!
ChristmasGhost said:
Aren’t you the same guy who just said this:
Do not judge with hypocrisy.
PS:
Bring back water boarding—our special forces have to go through it during training–WHY SHOULDN’T the fat cats at Gitmo and et.al do the same??
The L_O_T_E_ stated that HE was against it—will he answer for the next attack on the US ???????!!!!!!!
Amnesty is of no concern to me, because I do know that our borders will be gone eventually. It’s inevitable, and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
Free Speech is already going, and it’s the Fred Phelps people like thyself who are helping the issue along.
Cap-And-Trade is nothing more than a red herring, giving you a reason to not vote and to damn the rest of America to Obama.
I understand that America’s time on earth is coming to an end. But I’d rather go down with a fight, like McCain (a war veteran) will, than take it up the butt like Obama (and you) want to.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Right4life, remember Matthew 7:21-23, lest it be your downfall.
PSS>>>>>>>
RNC—–GOP—–RSC—-
The death of the PARTY is in your hands—-
PRO-DEATH VP-the death of the PARTY….>>>>
Standard issue response for those who don’t read their Bible and choose to cherrypick scripture. Case closed.
While I’m intimately aware that we’re at war, I can honestly say that neither candidate has a clue as to our current enemies nor how to fight them. We have Obama who is just utterly hopeless in terms of foreign and military affairs. Then we have McCain who talks a big game but to little avail (e.g. the Russian invasion of Georgia, how he’ll chase Osama to the “gates of hell”) and thinks that bigger guns and more of them is the answer to Iraq, which is not the way to fight and win a counterinsurgency.
so good of you to relieve Jesus of the burden of judging me! I’m sure He’ll be relieved to know that you’ve taken His place!!
the arrogance, you sound like a pharisee. laughable.
the rest of your post is just amazing for someone who calls themselves a conservative. please.
I wouldn’t vote for captain queeg mccain just because people like you are voting for him!!
then why not vote for obama, since its all over with anyway!!
your ‘logic’ is pathetic.
its called projection…get some professional help you wacko.
more projection. isn’t it time to cruise the park restrooms for you?
thanks for making my point for me. now i am an atheist?
wrong.
and yes, i know it’s the bible but which part? new testament or old? which part does your church follow today? and how closely because according to you and your ilk if it isn’t followed to the letter you are going to hell.
so…how many people have you stoned, for instance?
can’t you see what i mean?
and christian soldier….that third party you are talking about will have about as many members as far left third party groups. can’t any of you realize that america is not made up of mostly far right and far left? that most intelligent people are moderate in their behavior and tolerant of others that wish them no harm?
you are hardly being good reps for christianity……..
I would ask how stupid you are, but its rather obvious.
its rather obvious…if you want religion out of government, then what do you have??? atheism, which its adherents say is not a relgion…but really is.
come on you’re rather transparent.
Hey folks.
Long day here, I don’t think I’ll have the time to go through one of my normal point / counter-point personal replies on every item.
So that said, I’ll be as brief as possible and only highlight the main issues to me.
I don’t think I so much disagree with anyone here ref. the “prayer in schools” thing. I am not so strictly opposed to it as such personally. Heck, I *do* attend church with my wife on occasion. However, I guess I do understand how some folks might be irked by the idea that something they consider mythology is being put forth in places of education.
Perhaps one can look at it this way. Atheist parents might get annoyed about prayer in schools in the same way some other folks might get annoyed if a class was held on the Muslim faith and children were encouraged to face Mecca and bow (for example).
Oft repeated on this forum, and part of the reason for my tireless postings; suffice it to say, it’s arrogant in its own way. Perhaps you are the confused one?
As I have said before, I find hard-atheism untenable. I also find hard-disbelief in Russel’s Teapot untenable as well.
What about the punishment for the victim? Gladly take that as well? The context is immaterial; there are many things in the Bible we acknowledge as outdated. Who decides what to throw out and what to keep, and what makes your opinion on which stays and which goes anymore valid then anyone else’s?
OK, goodnight all.
ChristmasGhost said:
Stoning was a punishment under the Old Covenant, but not under the New Covenant.
The New Covenant (Christianity) isn’t just a different covenant, but it is a different kind of covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-32).
In the New Covenant, the only punishment Christians are authorized to administer is that of excommunication (1st Corinthians 5:12-13).
guess you missed that part about Paul turning over the corinthian to Satan, for the destruction of his flesh.
ChristmasGhost:
What’s surprising is that these extremists that are using the bible to beat over people’s heads are doing the exact opposite of what they are supposed to be doing: Using them for other believers or those who are questioning.
Instead, they’re on here trying to validate their role in the collapse of the USA. They’re the ones that give people like me, who take the time to forge relationships and develop things over time, bad names.
And they’re the ones who are quick to damn everyone without once thinking of their minds. They’re called legalists, and as Christ said exactly what will happen to them in Matt 7:21-23.
zeroangel said:
1. You didn’t answer my question, indicating that you don’t understand what you are criticizing.
2. The principles behind the laws in the Law of Moses are not outdated.
3. It is not merely a matter of opinion, but to one who knows nothing about the Bible, it probably appears that way.
you just damned me to hell, and you’re complaining about ‘others’
you are seriously delusion, besides being a major-league hypocrite.
I’m serious when I say get some professional help. scary.