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1. #416998
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 am, right4life said:

   Concerning your bigotry: I am not concerned about your ignorance of science nor am I offended by it. I find it worrisome, and I worry about the future of science in America, but that’s it.

   apparently I know the science better than you. my posts are better documented, and your answers are so shallow as to be amusing. the ‘it evolved’ answer doesn’t cut it.

   yeah ’science’ is so well off in the hands of a crazed person like dawkins, whats he actually done again? compared to a crazed christian like newton, pascal, pasteur, von-braun kelvin etc.

   Your bigotry comes from the idea that I must be immoral because I don’t believe in “Gods.”

   didn’t say you *must* be immoral…rather my point is more subtle, and one you miss, is that there is no morality with evolution..how could there be? or with atheism. *you* decide what is right and wrong. and whats amusing is most of what you think is right and wrong comes from a judeo-christian perspective. if you grew up in the lands of islam, for example, you would probably have a very different sense of right and wrong.

   I encourage you to seek out Dawkins’ reply to and comments on this movie. Do so in the same way you might search for the truth concerning a Michael Moore movie. You might be surprised.

   I already have…its much like a politician trying to ‘clarify’ his comments…he was ‘misunderstood’ ‘misquoted’ ‘taken out of context’ yadayada…dawkins is becoming a parody of himself.

   but at least he honest enough to admit things like the evolution of the sexes, and the eye, are very difficult to explain, and he doesn’t just gloss it over with ‘it evolved’

2. #417006
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am, zeroangel said:

   apparently I know the science better than you. my posts are better documented,

   there have been human footprints found by dinosaur tracks

   if you grew up in the lands of islam, for example, you would probably have a very different sense of right and wrong.

   Ayaan Hirsi Ali

   Dawkins on “Expelled.”

3. #417019
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 am, right4life said:

   If only Darwinists could come up with a body of convincing scientific evidence to support Darwin’s theory: after 150 years of assuring us, such evidence surely must exist. As recently as May of this year, the best that a Darwinist as prominent as Professor Francisco Ayala of UC Irvine could come up with as examples of evolution in action was: (1) bacterial resistance to antibiotics; (2) insect resistance to pesticides; and (3) the evolution of fur coloring of desert rodents. (Ayala, “Darwin’s Greatest Discovery: Design without designer,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (May 2007).)

   “Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” Stephen Jay Gould,
   ‘Ontogeny and Phylogeny’, Belknap-Harvard Press, pp. 27-128

   It is curious that Charles Darwin, perhaps medicine’s most famous dropout, provided the impetus for a subject that figures so rarely in medical education. Indeed, even the iconic textbook example of evolution-antibiotic resistance-is rarely described as “evolution” in relevant papers published in medical journals [1].

   http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0050112&ct=1

   Today, there’s also an Arland D. Williams Jr. Bridge, in Washington, D.C.; an Arland D. Williams Jr. Elementary School, in Mattoon, Illinois; and an Arland D. Williams, Jr. Endowed Professorship of Heroism at the Citadel. There’s an Arland Williams folk song and a made-for-TV movie. There’s even an Arland Williams shrine created by a woman in Japan. But as Darwin predicted, there is no Arland Williams IV.

   And there never will be.

   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21902983/page/4/

4. #417024
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 10:40 am, zeroangel said:

   there have been human footprints found by dinosaur tracks

   Conservapedia’s take.

5. #417088
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 am, right4life said:

   as usual your references say very little.

   Large Scale” Function for Endogenous Retroviruses: Intelligent Design Prediction Fulfilled While Another Darwinist Argument Bites the Dust

   darwin’s failed predictions

   darwin couldn’t even come up with his own theory he had to steal it from wallace!

6. #417095
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 am, right4life said:

   and lets not forget the fruits of darwinism

7. #417099
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 am, zeroangel said:

   The Discovery Institute.

   The Flat Earth Society.

   Flat Earth.

   there have been human footprints found by dinosaur tracks

8. #417460
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm, right4life said:

   “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex,” [1871], John Murray: London, Second Edition, 1922, reprint, pp.241-242).

   “The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64).

   “Since Darwin’s death, all has not been rosy in the evolutionary garden. The theories of the Great Bearded One have been hijacked by cranks, politicians, social reformers-and scientists-to support racist and bigoted views. A direct line runs from Darwin, through the founder of the eugenics movement-Darwin’s cousin, Francis Galton-to the extermination camps of Nazi Europe.” (Brookes, Martin.,”Ripe old age,” Review of “Of Flies, Mice and Men,” by Francois Jacob, Harvard University Press, 1999. New Scientist, Vol. 161, No. 2171, 30 January 1999, p.41).

   The case for Darwinism cannot be based on any edification that is supposed to come from its truths. Through eugenics, Darwinism was a bad influence on Nazism, one of the greatest killers in world history. Darwinism probably contributed to the upsurge of racism in the latter part of the nineteenth century, and thus it helped foment twentieth-century racism generally. Darwinism was also used to exacerbate the neglect of the poor in the nineteenth century. All things considered, Darwinism has had many regrettable, and sometimes actually vicious, effects on the social climate of the modern world. Modern Darwinism does not offer any guarantee of unending progress. It is understandable that so many hate Darwin and Darwinism. It is often a bitter burden to live with Darwinism and its implications. Unlike so many doctrines, religions, and ideologies, it certainly isn’t intellectual opium. No one can make a case for Darwinism based on moral hygiene.” (Rose M.R. [Professor of Evolutionary Biology, University of California, Irvine], “Darwin’s Spectre: Evolutionary Biology in the Modern World,” [1998], Princeton University Press: Princeton NJ, 2000, Third printing, p.210).

9. #417466
   On August 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pm, right4life said:

   “With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex,” [1871], John Murray: London, Second Edition, 1922, reprint, pp.205-206)

   I can see why you atheists are such rabid defenders of that racist eugenicist darwin…

10. #417469
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pm, right4life said:

    its your evolved sense of morality….

11. #417491
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pm, right4life said:

    So this second Christmas of Hitler’s war finds Niemoller and upwards of 200,000 other Christians (some estimates run as high as 800,000) behind the barbed wire of the frozen Nazi concentration camps. Here men bear mute witness that the Christ—whose birth the outside world celebrates unthinkingly at Christmas—can still inspire a living faith for which men and women even now endure im prisonment, torture and death as bravely as in centuries past.

    the world’s most famous scientist, Albert Einstein. Says he:
    “Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks. . . .
    “Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.”

    link

    evolution in action today

12. #417526
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 pm, zeroangel said:

    Over 600 comments? Could this be a record?

    Keep it coming right4life. Every reader of MM’s site (if any are still paying attention) should be made aware that you are a perfect example of what otherwise intelligent Republican politicans have to pander to. All you need do is continue to post to make my case for me.

13. #417531
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm, right4life said:

    zero, you’ve already made the case that evolution is a faith, not science.

    as far as intelligence…your evaluation of your intelligence is about as good as your defense of your hairygod darwin.

14. #417533
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 4:16 pm, right4life said:

    btw: how does your evolved sense of morality feel about supporting a theory with such a long history of racism and eugenics?

    I’m sure you’re very proud of that legacy!!

15. #417602
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm, zeroangel said:

    evolution is a faith Theory

    evaluation of your intelligence

    long history of racism and eugenics genocide

16. #417867
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm, right4life said:

    victims of atheism

    victims of darwinism

    let me guess you’re also pro-abortion!

17. #417878
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pm, right4life said:

    but I do feel sorry for you, such stupidity has to hurt!! and you are in a great deal of pain.

    but hey thats typical for a darwiniac!! even your ‘best’ and ‘brightest’ like dawkins are so easily made fools of!! perhaps you darwiniacs need to evolve some intelligence.

    your posts reveal you have a lot of ‘evolving’ ahead of you!

18. #417909
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 pm, zeroangel said:

    but I do feel sorry for you

    such stupidity has to hurt!! and you are in a great deal of pain.

    easily made fools of!!

    evolve some intelligence.

    FSM

    Prove it!

    there have been human footprints found by dinosaur tracks

19. #418568
    On August 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm, right4life said:

    PZ Myers, noted athiest/darwiniac, with a typically evolved sense of morality!!

    after the muslim cartoons:

    There is a genuine social concern here, I think. Muslims represent a poor and oppressed underclass, and those cartoons represent a ruling establishment intentionally taunting them and basically flipping them off. They have cause to be furious!

    yes, the poor oppressed muslims!! such a kind, ‘concerned’ atheist about religous sensitivies….

    christians on the other hand:

    . Recently, he desecrated the Eucharist by obtaining a consecrated Host, nailing it, throwing it in the garbage, and posting a photograph of it on Pharyngula

    so much for evolved ethics.

    and on those who dare disagree with his hairygod darwin:

    I say, screw the polite words and careful rhetoric. It’s time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots

    Sounds like the good atheist professor Myers has a final solution in mind for christians and those who disagree with evolution.

    I’m sure you do to zerodemon

20. #418927
    On August 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pm, zeroangel said:

    He also drove a nail through the Koran and a copy of Dawkins’ “The God Delusion” in the same stunt.

    BTW, I fought in the Iraq War, how about you?

21. #419060
    On August 24th, 2008 at 9:40 am, right4life said:

    George William Hunter’s A Civic Biology: Presented in Problems (1914) was the book that sparked the controversy. Condemned as heretical in 1925, today it would seem to be a manual for enlightenment’s battle against religion’s perceived mysticism. Yet if John Scopes were to teach the very same Civic Biology in a modern classroom, he would probably be put on trial again. Because buried under the dust of history is the fact that this progressive, pro-evolution text was also quite racist.

    Take, for example, these lines from page 196 of Hunter’s original version:

    At the present time there exist upon the earth five races or varieties of man, each very different from the other in instincts, social customs, and, to an extent, in structure. These are the Ethiopian or negro type, originating in Africa; the Malay or brown race, from the islands of the Pacific; the American Indian; the Mongolian or yellow race, including the natives of China, Japan, and the Eskimos; and finally, the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe

    Hunter was also a proponent of eugenics. “[T]he science of being well born,” his text instructed, is an imperative for sophisticated society. “When people marry there are certain things that the individual as well as the race should demand,” he wrote, arguing that tuberculosis, epilepsy, and even “feeble-mindedness are handicaps which it is not only unfair but criminal to hand down to posterity.”

    “If such people were lower animals, we would probably kill them off to prevent them from spreading,” Hunter lamented in Civic Biology. “Humanity will not allow this but we do have the remedy of separating the sexes in asylums or other places and in various ways preventing intermarriage and the possibilities of perpetuating such a low and degenerate race.”

    link

    Black people ‘less intelligent’ scientist claims

    Science has often been used as a justification to propose, project, and enact racist social policies. The philosophical and political underpinnings of ideas associated with racial superiority and inferiority were first given scientific legitimacy and credence with the publication of Charles Darwin’s (1859) revolutionary book, The Origin of Species. In more recent times, the controversy surrounding the publication of Herrnstein and Murray’s (1994) presumably scientific study, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life, and the reintroduction to the national conversation of powerful arguments about race and human abilities, provide yet another opportunity to focus on questions pertinent to the origins, maintenance, and consequences of human abilities and potential. In the main, however, such studies and debates reveal far more about those proposing and advocating racist arguments than about the groups toward whom they are directed.

    link

    On the Origin of Species
    Subtitle or, The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

    Author Charles Darwin

    ‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’

    Reference
    Keith, A., Evolution and Ethics, Putnam, NY, USA, p. 230, 1947.

22. #423935
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, cheapseat said:

    god what a blog line. to those no abortions under any circumstances i ask you how many nonforeign children you have adopted? to those who say abortion on demand at all times, how can you condone partial birth abortion and say hang the mother who puts her newborn into the trash. catholics need to reconcile their pedophile priests and their restocking the alterboy ranks with illegal aliens and stop sellectively applying which laws they will obey. the catholic marriage specifically has the father of the bride hand over his daughter to the husband, so when a spouse says their spouse is dead, catholics get over it.