Whitewashing Helen Thomas
Your must-read of the morning: Miami Herald TV critic Glenn Garvin’s barbecue of a fawning documentary about Helen Thomas.
Here’s a taste:
Multiple choice quiz: Helen Thomas has been covering the White House for 48 years. Which of the following stories did she break?
A. President Kennedy’s plans to invade the Bay of Pigs.
B. President Nixon’s secret bombing of Cambodia.
C. The Pentagon Papers.
D. The Watergate scandal.
E. None of the above, or anything else, either.
The answer, of course, is E, though you might not guess it from the fawning HBO documentary Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas At The White House, the latest unfortunate example of the increasing tendency to confuse public temper tantrums with good journalism.
Though Thomas is routinely referred to these days as iconic, legendary and fearless, journalism has little to do with it. She’s celebrated not for her work as a journeyman reporter at a second-rate wire service or as a virtually unread political columnist for the Hearst newspapers.
Her reputation really derives from scolding, tendentious speeches nominally delivered as ”questions” like this one to George W. Bush, admiringly featured in Thank You, Mr. President: ”Why do you refuse to respect the wall between church and state? You know that the mixing of religion and government for centuries has led to slaughter.” Just in case you thought that was intended to produce an actual answer — the usual aim of reporters — Thomas interrupted Bush before he could even complete a sentence. Perhaps that’s because when presidents have gotten a chance to reply to Thomas’ tirades, they’ve often made her look like a fool.
A classic example was with Bush’s father during the opening days of the first Gulf War, when she wondered why the president was making such a big deal about Saddam Hussein’s missile attacks on Israel. ”War inherently is a two-way street,” Thomas loftily informed Bush. ”Why should you be surprised or outraged when there is an act of retaliation?” To which the puzzled Bush replied: “To a country that’s innocent and not involved in it?”
That exchange is not included in Thank You, Mr. President, which shamelessly cherry-picks White House briefings to enhance Thomas’ reputation and deprecate the rest of the White House press corps.
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BrianNY,
I agree. Some might say I’m slightly prejudiced, since my wife is Asian. But, I think that her not claiming to be pretty, actually makes her prettier. I also think Kristen Powers is pretty, although I often disagree with her. I also like the fact that she is fair to Conservatives.
ROTFLMAO, Helen better take note of this.
Wow. I am glad it wasn’t a little closer to lunch when I saw that picture of Helen….it always gives me a lurch!!!
New keyboard might have been in order….
Don’t worry Helen, there’s always the miracle of “Beer Goggles”…..of course someone would probably have to hijack an entire beer truck to get that wasted.
Doesn’t anyone recognize Darth Sidius, the evil emperor from Star Wars?
Remember, I’m trying out my Dad’s lifedrive PDA this week, so the site looks a little different for me… SO:
When I read the headline, and saw the image I immediately thought it was an Obit. photo from the Coroner’s Office…
No, I really did!
… I was preparing to feel bad for the container…
Good God man!…. not during lunch time… yech!!!
Wow, talk about being beaten with an Ugly Stick!
Thump… Thump… Thump… Thump… Thump… Thump… Thump… Thump… Thump…
Thump… Thump… Thump…
Thump… Thump… Thump…
Thump… Thump… Thump…
Thump… Thump… Thump…
;-p
Helen Thomas:
Grandmother of Internet Trolls.
Classic example of what happens when you cling to hatred so much that it starts to become an integral part of your being….
And no, I’m not talking entirely about her looks either.
There, just touched it up a little.
Wasn’t she the inspiration for “Judy” of Punch and Judy fame?
Here’s an actual takedown of conservative blovation over the HBO special on Thomas:
You coud have left the picture off the site, Michelle. Thank God I didn’t have lunch before I opened the link.
No worries though. I just close my eys and picture you standing in front of Walter Reed with me last September, and everything is better.
Old Tanker #66 post
So, with one less rain forest in the world,
will the Goracle charge her with a global warming crime?
hmmmmmm
#97 dakine said:
Except that Helen Thomas’ physical looks aren’t her strongest point (neither is her caustic personality for that matter) and, despite your continual lobbying, MM still doesn’t look a thing like NBA point guard Sam Cassell.
Other than that, many here do seem to hold strong opinions towards an old hag who continuously refers to our President publicly as a war criminal, as well as casting other liberal aspersions.
It’s just typical that a Kennedy would be profiling this nag as some sort of misguided example of courage.
On August 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, BrianNY said:
This waste of time is produced by Rory Kennedy and distributed by the same people who bring you “Real Time With Bill Mahr’ and ‘Def Jam Comedy Hour.’
Brian, OUTSTANDING. Do you keep a running dossier on America’s Royal Family or what? If so, where do you find the room to keep it? While I’m in awe of your scoreboard, you forgot Patrick (was that his name?), the chubby-faced med-student Kennedy cuz accused of rape in Florida in the early ’90s.
The photo posted with the story brought a famous quote to mind:
“I’ll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too!”
Someone should stop beating her with the ugly stick - it’s really starting to turn my stomach…
Helen Thomas is what us rednecks call
FUGLY.
Sort of like that scene from The Shining?
What happened dude, did your hand get tired of typing?
Many of you are now guilty of posting the sort of comments that we revile liberal blog readers for posting. It is one thing to make the statement that she is an affront to journalism and journalists. It is an entirely different thing to make fun of her looks. It’s childish, as well as completely irrelevant to the original blog entry.
Another thing: can’t we lay off the horn dog oglings of Michelle Malkin pictures? If I were Michelle’s father, brother, or husband, I wouldn’t appreciate those of you who are putting her out there as something to drool all over, and I certainly wouldn’t appreciate your discussion of her nighttime apparel.
#111 lgm said:
This is a take down??
From your linked article:
In case you didn’t follow this logic, your quoted author initially criticizes some guy named Shales for accusing Helen Thomas of being anti-Isreal/pro-Hezbollah. Then, in the very next sentence, your same author concedes that there might be Helen Thomas quotes out there that actually proves Shales’ point, but that he hasn’t personally seen them.
lgm, before you start linking to material that you contend “takes down” conservative contention, don’tcha think it would be academic for your quoted author to at least establish that Helen Thomas never espoused anti-Isreal/pro-Hezbollah sentiment before same author criticizes someone else for contending that she has?
He could’ve started with her outrageous collection of statements over the past eight years of White House press briefings, no?
And for the record, your linked article was penned by Greg Mitchell, author of the recently published So Wrong For So Long: How the Press, the Pundits — and the President — Failed on Iraq.
So many wayward Kennedys… so little time.
I have never understood the incestuous relationship Helen has with the press corps. She clearly shows signs of advanced liberalism , yet she still welds her political correctness with the same lack of purpose and sensitivity ,”Damm the facts full speed ahead’ attitude she had as a young liberal reporter 48 years ago. I only wish someone would step forward and give her a watch she could put in her cart and be returned to the street.
Relax. I don’t think anybody’s going too far with it. Michelle has many attractive qualities, looks being just one of them. I’ve seen a lot of guys comment on how attractive she is, but I’ve never seen anybody get too detailed with it or actually try to come on to her. I think that’s because she is genuinely respected.
I dare say that if Helen Thomas had Michelle’s good qualities, she would be getting more of a pass on her looks.
The fact that most conservative women are exceptionally striking in looks is just a plus, IMAO.
#115 sandyb said:
Actually, the med student was Rory’s cousin, William Kennedy Smith, but her other cousin Patrick and her Uncle Ted were all present for that booty call on Palm Beach in 1991.
After that specific XXX throw down, William Kennedy-Smith’s hookup, Patricia Bowman, called it rape. Kennedy-Smith called it consensual. Kennedy-Smith and attorney Roy Black won.
Rory’s other cousin, Patrick Kennedy - Ted’s son - is well known for his repeated inebriation and love for reckless driving. Perhaps you remember his demolition derby exhibition in the Congressional parking lot at 2:45 AM on May 4, 2006 after being seen in the nearby Hawk and Dove saloon for many hours? Well, he ended up pleading guilty to the same vice that liberals try to decapitate Rush Limbaugh over - prescription medication - but his probation sentencing also mandated daily Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. Hmmmm.
For the record, a high school friend of mine ended up spending 2 years as a fellow student of Patrick’s at Providence College in the late 1980s. Patrick was referred to as “the pharmacist,” was envied for graduating after attending so few classes, and many were guilty of placing money down on whether or not the kid would even live to see his senior year.
As the record shows, the good people of Rhode Island voted Patrick into their state assembly just six months after “graduating” from Providence College.
As for Ted, MM probably doesn’t have enough storage space for his record.
This is but one example, Backwoods Conservative. Additionally, there were discussions of and links to pictures of Jessica Alba, Denise Richards, Janet Reno, and others.
Very low brow.
Now, Michelle and the other ladies have endured far worse thanks to their celebrity, so you likely won’t hear a word from MM here. However, aren’t they worthy of being treated as ladies? If one of them were your daughter, or your wife, or your sister, would you appreciate a bunch of guys sitting around their computers discussing the finer points of how she’d look in a “nightie”? In the case of the former Attorney General and Helen Thomas, jokes were being made. Not very kind, and certainly not worthy of the kind of intelligent discourse of which we are capable.
Can I get some help here from others who have some manners?
Well, I have to thank this website for solving my problems…
You see, I have mice living in a crawl space. I’ve tried everything: traps, cats, osage oranges…
This picture works! I don’t even have spiders! Thanks all!
#127 kevin said:
Personally, I’m old school. I like a saucy joke every once in a while, as long as it’s based in reality or it’s clever as hell.
A reprehensible hag like Helen Thomas getting chided for her less than stellar good looks (a la Don Rickles)…I won’t lose sleep over.
A fairly attractive Asian-American female being physically compared to NBA point guard Sam Cassell…I just don’t get it.
If you look into Helen Thomas’ eyes, you’ll be turned to stone.
Imagine that. A talentless leftist hack celebrated by a leftist entertainment channel. STOP THE PRESSES.
Brian, be intellectually honest. If the lovely Helen leaned the other way politically, you’d have a different take. And Malkin doesn’t really look all that much like my boy Sammy, but look at TOS’s side by side of them again…there’s sort of a weird resemblance (but not really, if that makes sense) in some of their facial features.
Kevin, are you married, son? Do you have a girl friend?
Because you certainly don’t understand the female psyche.
Women like to be reminded that they are beautiful and desirable. Thats how they STAY beautiful and desirable. No one here is talking about blatant fantasies.
We are reminding MM that she is a beautiful desirable conservative woman who holds our values and philosophies and beliefs.
I’ve met the lady. I’ve met most of the conservative woman who speak for us. They are all extremely attractive and incredibly intelligent.
Thats what makes them so damn hot!!!
The REAL ugliness here is in Helen Thomas’s soul — which pretty much make her a “white-washed sepulchre.”
My collie says:
God is merciful.
My two favorite ulgy lines are.
1- She is so ugly she has to sneak up on a glass of water.
2- She is so ugly she can make a train take a dirt road.
Your collie needs professional help, if indeed he has naked pictures of Helen Thomas.
You left out:
She’s so ugly, we had to tie a pork chop around her neck so the dog would play with her.
concretebob:
I respectfully request that you not call me “son” again. Furthermore, I’ll thank you to hold your judgment of my understanding of the female psyche until you know me.
I am married, concretebob. I do not have a girlfriend any longer, as I married my last one. I have three daughters, as well. It is fine to tell a woman that she is beautiful. It is not fine to publicly fantasize about them in their nighties. It is fine, in the privacy of a couple’s home, to discuss desirability and “so damn hot”ness. It is not fine to openly ogle a woman in a public forum.
You, and everyone else who comments here, do not need to remind MM that she is “beautiful and desirable.” It is not your place to worry about whether she “STAY[s] beautiful and desirable.” She has a husband, and I expect he’d break the arms of the fools discussing his wife’s nighties if given the opportunity. Mentioning that a lady is beautiful, with which I have no problem, is a far cry from discussing her underthings, with which I DO have a problem.
I promise you, if I ever caught some young man talking about one of my daughters in the way the fifth graders in this comment section are discussing these women, he’d quickly become familiar with the sole of my size 12 boot.
I also find michelle attractive but also understand she is married and so am I. I agree on the line being crossed. Which is why I did not. I find many women good looking but do not talk about them in a sexual nature BECAUSE IT IS RUDE. Kevin from Ohio in Virginia is correct here. Michelle does not need me championing her here but she also doesn’t need me treating her like a sex object or playboy centerfold. Good on you kevin.
Thanks, sonofdy. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one here with freakin’ manners.
The discussion has moved from Helen Thomas’ lack of journalism skills to how various celebrities including MM look in their bedrooms. If that’s not “off-topic” and “offensive” (to quote the terms of use for commenting on this site), I don’t know what is.
Gentlemen do not discuss sexual matters in public because it is rude. Please let us allow the leftists to be ungentlemanly and remain respectful as a conservative movement.
Whatever happened to making films people might actually want to watch? What is the market for this indulgence beyond a few thousand nutroots? I don’t get it.
I remember when JFK used to ‘mock her’ with his responses and that ….grin. He was extremely good at it and very funny.
Even way back then she was annoying and contributed nothing except her own opinions.
Yet she is so lauded, that when they redid the press room, they made sure she had her own special chair.
She is like that last guest at a party, the one who is still there after the wife has already gone to bed. The one that just doesn’t know when it is time to pack it up and go home.
You know, sort of like lgm.
The sad thing is that she is lauded for being there the longest…not for anything she has done or written. Just like a barnacle on the bottom of a pier. Looks and all.
Good on ya Kevin…I agree. The whole thread is immature. tre referring to MM in a nightie was just plain creepy.
Garvin is the ONLY GOOD THING coming from the Miami Herald in the last 20 years or more.
I missed the risque comments about Mechelle…
Glad of it: she bears a very strong likeness to my Mom when she was young… No offense intended, I don’t mean by that that she looks old, I’m at quite a bit older than she is…
After 40 yrs of watching the Left set the terms of debate and hypocritically give themselves a pass on behaviour they demonize Conservatives over, I have concluded that we allow it.
We allow it because we insist on “polite, gentlemanly” argument, assuming that if we quote facts and use reasoned debate we’ll make an impression.
That hasn’t worked, and there is no reason to think that will change.
After much thought, I’ve come to the conclusion that since we are constitutionally unable, by our natures, to argue with the heated disingeniuosness of the Left, to take a different tact.
We need to make factual points, but with barbs on them… so the ideas stick in their emotional subcutanious tissue.
Once there they can work their theirs way in (like porcupine barbs) past the Liberal’s protective skin of hot emotions.
Poking fun at The Horror is therefore necessary practice to develope the ability to deliver cutting remarks your average Liberal can understand.
Helen Thomas is a perfect example of Karma in action, ugly is as ugly does.
Her talent is matched only by her beauty
She reminds me of the alien in Men in Black…the Ball-chinnigan.
That picture of her reminds me of Large Marge.
Remember when she was relegated to one of the back rows in the WH?
Several others in the WH press corpse (yeah, I know) whined about her being sent to the rear.
…and it was shortly after that she quit.
How could I have missed mispelling “Michelle”? Sorry…
Looking back over the thread, I agree that there were comments over the line. Some were incomprehensible. I’ve not met Michelle, but knowing the ave. hieght a woman growing up in the US attains is 5′4″, and the ave NBA player is what, 6′2″, how could there be confusion?
I do think discussion of H.T.’s looks are valid: they were made fair game by the Liberal dogma: “all Conserv. women are ugly and guys crooks!”
And I agree with atheling’s comment, (#64) about Mother Teresa. There isn’t beauty in her vistage, either. Not in the traditional, surface sense. If you look in her eyes, though, you really do see a beautiful person. Look into H.T.’s eyes until you fossilize and you won’t ever see that. She is a nasty, small-minded, mentally-lazy, troll with a room-temperature IQ — if the room’s a walk-in fridge.
But, a Liberal would never see past the wrinkles on either face. They haven’t developed the ability to use abstract thought, that why thoughts of consequences are beyound them. Intentions matter, not results,because they can’t really see how doing it in a Conservative fashion would yield a different result.
Kevin from Ohio in Virginia said:
Hey! You forgot my link to Danny Devito as the Penguin in the Batman movies.
But point taken - we beat up on others for making snarky comments about Ann Coulter or Laura Bush etc…
#134 and #147 dakine said:
Wow. Bathwater AND the baby. Didn’t you mean to say the whole thread except your comments?
Oh…intellectually HONEST. Ok, here goes…
Intellectually AND honestly, if there was a conservative hag who sat in the front row of every White House press briefing and presidential press conference, thinking herself as some kind of romantic, political gumshoe, constantly berating and embarrassing US Presidents with inane, incoherent cross-examinations, particularly excoriating republican administration officials as war criminals, crooks and liars for all the world’s liberals to laugh at? I would say to you that she deserves everything she gets.
I’ve said it here before, and at the risk of irritating certain liberals’ sensibilities, I’ll say it again. On September 11, 2001, I walked through a wall of fire and came out on the other end, able to see things more clearly than I was ever able to before.
The greatest thing I gained was that, through their beliefs and actions, I was able to see who my friends and my enemies really are…in perfect black and white. Regarding friends, the list is too long, but I’ll give you the perfect illustration:
A two month line of EMT, fire and rescue vehicles, police cars and rented vans from every State in our Union…from the tip of Liberty State Park in Jersey City, NJ…stretching God knows how long west.
I saw the good people of this Nation literally drive to lower Manhattan from every corner of America for two months straight…just to offer whatever and everything they could. These are some of my friends.
Regarding enemies, I’ve also seen a constant effort by some on the left, starting with Phil Donahue, Chris Matthews and James Zogby, who incessantly pick away at the soft underbelly of my great Country’s vulnerabilities. Some for political reasons. Some because they truly hate the US and what it stands for, and some because they are just clueless agitators.
They have attacked those who define our enemy, they have attacked those who are proud of our Country and want to display their pride. They have attacked those who stand up and serve the needs of our Nation’s defense. They have attacked and denigrated our leaders and commanders and openly invite others to attack and denigrate them as well. They have trumpeted and reveled in every misstep and failure along the way. They have ignored and downplayed every success along the road as well. They have ignored and have no moral comment on the atrocities and the evil machinations of our enemies, and they seek comfort in the opinions of those nations and international entities who’s hearts are clearly void of our best interests.
And through all of this, they appear to be coddling a strategy that, through constant resistance and patience, they will eventually realize their goals of reversing any and all progress against our enemy. All so that they can rewrite the rules, rewrite the history and govern over the “change” that they so blindly seek.
These are my enemies. And little Helen Thomas is but one little cog in their growing machine. But as I mentioned earlier, I have been able to see very clearly for the past seven years. And as small as she is, Helen Thomas’ ugliness of spirit and everything else is very clear to me.
I hope this answers your question.
I loved Dana Perino’s classic put-down of Thomas, who was ranting about something or other, when she said “Helen, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But not their own facts.” I also liked it earlier when Thomas was relegated to the back of the room for a while. She should have been shown to a chair in the yard. She’s the perfect example of people elevated beyond their capabilities, much like the Democratic leadership. Such as it is.
I agree we should maintain a certain level of decorum on this site. I disagree with Kevin on where to draw the line. While I can’t imagine that I would ever say anything about Michelle in a nightie, I don’t think it’s so far out of line that I would get on to somebody about it.
A little good-natured horndoggishness is fine with me. As long as it is no more than mildly suggestive, nonspecific, and doesn’t involve outright vulgarity, I’m not going to get upset about it. And I have no doubt that anyone going too far over the line would incur the wrath of Michelle.
Thanks for the sincere and thoughtful answer Brian. My point is a very simple one. I just don’t see a ton of honor in making fun of a person’s physical appearance, and I see a fair amount of hypocrisy on this site from both MM and some of her readers in this regard. You think Helen Thomas has disgraced her profession and country by her behavior, then by all means say as such and back it up. The comments I see here, however, regarding her age and appearance are simply mean-spirited and without honor.
BTW, if Helen leaned the other way, she would be unlikely to berate a Republican President at a news conference. She’d likely go after the Democrats, so I stand by my original assertion that you would likely have a different stance as it relates to this thread in that instance.
Personally, I have always preferred Will Farrell as Janet
Reno instead of Janet Reno as herself. Now, if we could just find someone to dress up like Helen Thomas
instead of having to look at the real thing! Talk about
Coyote Ugly!!!! (…and not just in looks but in actions,
speech, etc..)
While some of the comments approached the line, I don’t feel that any of them crossed it. I think a lot of conservatives take pleasure in the fact that there are several conservative women who are very attractive (Ann Coulter, Michelle, Sarah Pallin, Laura Ingraham, Katherine Ham, etc). The liberal side includes Ms. Thomas, Hillary, Roseanne Barr, etc.
Judge for yourself here
My opinion is that a lot of the commenters were just enjoying this fact. Maybe a persons appearance does have something to do with karma.
LGM
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And Rush Limbaugh can’t to a democrat, right, LGM?
Only if you support a democratic position, though, right?
Although, regarding the war, the Jewish and Evangelical left would have fought on Isreal’s behalf, much to your dis-taste, I gather.
Your post summed up my feelings exactly. 9-10: I humored the likes of Helen Thomas. 9-11: I realized that humoring the likes of Helen Thomas will be our undoing.
Emperor Palpatine, Helen Thomas. Separated at birth.
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/Emperor-Palpatine.jpg
Somewhere, there is a picture of helen Thomas in some attic that keeps getting younger and prettier.
Now, why do you think the Left has such fugly types that go around as their mouth pieces, and the Right has such, well let’s face it…incredibly hot and intelligent babes?
That is because hate and anger and all that stuff will eat away at a person’s soul and their looks. Eventually, there is nothing left to them but what HT has ended up looking like.
Hate and anger and racism and dishonesty will ruin a person’s looks just as fast as it ruins their lives. All one has to do is look at that picture that was linked above, study the women pictured there, realize their personalities and what they are like in public, (I can’t get myself to imagine them in private) and you can see exactly what it is I am talking about.
That, and all the dope smoking affs a few thousand miles to them as well.
#160 dakine said:
Fair enough.
As much as I appreciate her lethal sarcasm, if Ann Coulter sat in front of Bill Clinton at every press conference and non-stop embarrassed him about Serbian civilian casualties, racist non-action in Rwanda, possible war crimes and the depletion of world respect for the USA due to this and that personal scandal…I’d like to think that I would have the level patriotism which would cause me to say, “hey Ann, buzz off.”
But I concede the difficulty in realizing such a hypothetical, because I don’t think it would ever happen.
Ms(?). Thomas,
Dorian Gray called and wants his portait back.
Whitewashing Helen Thomas?
No amount of whitewashing could beautify that Rottweiler of a woman.
I just realized the difference between having low standards and no standards.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
She is just like many liberals. Bitter and angry at, well, everyone. She dosen’t really ask questions, more like reads a statement, then cuts off the person who trys to respond.
She was booed as my university’s commencement speaker in 2003 for her remarks about the war and President Bush.
Thomas was derided by the local paper as, “a poor choice” for the commencement.
I lost 28 lbs with
Jenny CraigHelen Thomas. It was easy, I taped pitcures of her to my fridge and all of our cabinets that held food. I did not consider the law of unintended consequences though. My wife lost 17 lbs., our sex life was ruined, my dog starved to death and my children were taken away by protective services, while I was charged with neglect of a minor. Not just because of them losing weight, but because they were traumatized to the point their grades dropped, they seemed depressed and their teachers thought they were on drugs. All this from looking at Helen’s mug for two months. I was found guilty and sentanced to one year probation and 40 hours community service.I think next time I will just order a Bowflex.
Somewhere, I heard that by the time you are 40, you
have the face you deserve, or have earned. Can’t
remember which. Maybe it’s both in some cases.
oh god michelle, take down that photo please.
The Helen Thomas story is unlike, “The Portrait of Dorian Grey.” She has become as physically ugly as she is as a person. The only mitigating factor is that she obviously has a degree of Alzheimer’s and the first thing they lose is manners. But aside from that, she reminds me of what Hitler’s German Shepherd would look like if it were still alive.
The media like her because she is as rude and disrespectful as they would like to be and such an old hag that politicians and gentleman are reluctant to tell her, “Shut your pie hole and sit down, beeatch!” Can you imagine her having a cardiac arrest on camera - which of her media pals would administer mouth to mouth resuscitation - YUCK! can you imagine what her children would look like if she had mated with Yessir Arafat? Not even human - they would look like mole rats.
I hope they bury her in the same grave as Dan Rather.