Black pro-lifers to protest at DNC
Just received in my e-mailbox. Maybe they can make a trip to McCain HQ next:
DENVER, Aug. 20 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Colorado Right to Life and American Right to Life will stand with black leaders from around the country at their Power in the Park rally and press conference on August 25, 2008, 8:30 am at Martin Luther King Park, one block from the largest Planned Parenthood abortuary in the nation.
The killing center, dubbed Auschwitz, by local opponents of the racist organization, is situated in north Denver’s minority neighborhood – consistent with the patterns of targeting minorities noted by Blackgenocide.org.
Speakers include presidential candidate Dr. Alan Keyes with America’s Independent Party, Jessie Lee Peterson, president of BOND, Rev Clenard Childress of Blackgenocide.org, Flip Benham of Operation Rescue National, and Denver’s Bishop Phillip Porter, former chairman of Promise Keepers, who will expose the tragedy that although black women comprise 6% of the population, they receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America. The leading abortion providers exploit blacks by placing 94% of abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.
These leaders agree with CRTL and ARTL that because abortion is always wrong, every innocent human life deserves legal protection, from the moment of fertilization and through natural death.
Black leaders, including Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King have recently been asking why black Americans are being targeted by Planned Parenthood for abortions and demanding that the killing stop.
Dr. Keyes, in fact, relates his revulsion about Denver’s new abortion mill:
“The number one taker of black life is abortion, and it’s time people woke up to that fact. The location of this latest Planned Parenthood facility in yet another minority neighborhood is a part of the continuing fulfillment of the racist, eugenicist dream of their founder, Margaret Sanger, but it is a travesty of the American dream. Planned Parenthood’s agenda discards the principle that we are all created equal, which is the basis of liberty for all Americans.” – Alan Keyes
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Um…I think it was irony and sarcasm rolled up into one…
Atheling,
lets just clear the air and let me apologize on behalf of all attorneys everywhere for whichever one of us stood you up at the prom, leaving you sitting, sobbing on the curb, makeup smeared, waiting hour after hour for that guy you thought was “The One”, looking up with empty hope at every car that drove by until finally you threw the boutonniere into the ditch and ran back to the house to drown your sorrows in a pint of haagen-dazs. Or whatever the hell an attorney did you you in this life or a past one to make you such an insufferable person.
Seriously, I apologize.
Irony is not something that normally originates from libtards. Use of /sarc would help.
Maybe it’s just natural. Only she and her
hair stylistpersonal Satan know.So, NYK, what you’re saying is that you and other blacks are racist?
It appears that way.
You judge on skin color, and deafen yourself to the real vital issues, like abortion, which is arguably encompasses the most important civil right: the right to life being foundational to all civil rights and social justice.
Social justice is meaningless to those defenseless innocents who are murdered without recourse or limit.
You throw that all away and refuse to hear because of a candidates skin color and the way your ancestors voted?
That certainly appears to be using skin color as the primary ingredient in choice.
Is that not racist? It would be racist were it whites doing so, refusing to listen and voting based off of skin color.
Obama is certainly questionable on character, with his lies (documented), distortions, and questionable character regarding foundational issues such as abortion, governmentally backed discrimination (”affirmative action”), regressive tax policies that will harm the middle class and expand government, etc.
Why do you refuse to question his character, and blindly accept such a morally flawed character in your candidate?
Does character not matter to you, and yet skin color does?
I guess you can ignore character, and put Dr King in the trash the way you have put the aborted dead in the trash, keeping your morals and conscience out of the way of your “politics”. You’ve shown where your values are with your statements and actions.
What ever happened to the “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”?
You have abandoned it.
chapoutier:
HA!
If you don’t know why attorneys are considered as low as pondscum, then you must live in a bubble. I am sure there are many who can enlighten you as to why you and your ilk are detested in this country.
If you can’t take the heat, Pee Wee, get out of the kitchen.
nyk:
Let the adults talk. Isn’t it time for you to head to the clubs?
Not if you understand the concept. Oh, and btw — A Modest Proposal? Satire.
/sarc
I don’t think it proves that at all. Quite a leap there, if I do say so myself. I’ll tell you what though, you provide a statement from Barkley asserting that he no longer believes that “Poor people been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years, and they still poor.” then I’ll retract my statement.
He can be a Democrat and believe that certain planks in the party are incorrect. You don’t have to agree with everything the party does…. but that’s less about me and speaks to Barkley’s mindset.
That’s the second time you’ve used that one. Cute.
Actually, no. “The kids” haven’t done that since the ’80s, when I was far, far to young to go to clubs. Now go back to your issue of AARP and leave me alone.
A Modest Proposal is something you and your kind would advocate.
Throwing babies into the fiery mouth of Moloch to appease the weather gods is right up your alley.
Frankly, you’re a waste of time. You don’t know how to think critically. All you do is parrot libtard talking points. You’re a racist. You’re a know nothing recipient of affirmative action.
Waste of powder.
30, we don’t even know that Barklay is a Democrat. You’re just taking someone’s word for it – who is suspect to begin with.
Why? – when one of the baser tenets of conservatism is self-reliance and determination: the ability of the individual to rise or fail on his/her own volition. What about this ideal could you possibly find objectionable?
Kinda self-contradictory, isn’t it? (No finger wagging intended.)
I think the ultimate statement is leaving the party you implicitly lauded in your statement for the party you criticized in your statement. And at the very least, his party change means (he no longer thinks) the Republican party (is)n’t doing much to change the fate of poor people, either.
Self reliance would mean no more freebies. People who have been living off the government teat don’t want to lose that. And that’s what it really comes down to. Greed and sloth.
And yet, my countering of your points has you frothing at the mouth (I shouldn’t give myself too much credit; it’s kind of your perpetual state).
Oh — and btw: As a woman, YOU’RE the (as long as we’re making snap judgements) beneficiary of affirmative action as well. Congrats!
Well, there’s this wacky new thing called the Internet you might use as a research tool.
nyk,
Please forgive atheling. She realizes that she has nothing of substance to add here. Others on this board are much smarter, articulate, and rational. So atheling chooses to go down that path that, unfortunately, so many on both sides of the political spectrum have fallen on when they realize they are singularly unoriginal: that of hysterics, hyperbole and “shock” in a sad attempt to stand out from the crowd.
Unfortunately, the mere fact that I or you address her screed only serves to reinforce her pitiful raison d’etre.
Nothing a little “google” wouldn’t clear up but the truth is I could care less. But I’ll play along.
Right, Pee Wee. And you have so much to contribute.
It’s pathetic that you have to side with teenybopper and Captain Dogcatcher in order to prop yourself up.
But then, self reliance is hardly a libtard virtue.
By Pee Wee, I refer to Chapoutier, not you, 30!
30, all snarkiness aside, I do think his party change is a testament to his lack of faith in a party he formerly held in high esteem, and largely a result of his experiences within that party. Just sayin’.
You’re right.
I still think she tucks though…(sorry…couldn’t help myself)
Real classy, right up there with Steve456.
AG:
She’s a libtard. I don’t expect any better.
I kind of like what I know of George Obama actually. Likes football, wants to better himself, not afraid to fight back when attacked.. Seems to be cut from a little different cloth then Barry boy. Perhaps because suffering builds character in some.
We should get him a job with the RNC. I bet he’d take it..
It would be great press for the Republicans. It’s about time the Republicans get credit for actually empowering blacks, instead of enslaving them like the Democrats have done historically.
Did you guys know that MLK was a republican?
Ain’t that the truth.
I think all attorneys should apologize for John Grisham.
Only when dealing with certain types. And she’s said FAR worse to people here.
Oh, what lingual talent! “Libtard!” She is the bard of the board.
Moron.
(btw, that “Moron” part? Not sarcasm. That’s why there’s no “/sarc” tag. Just don’t want you to get confused.)
What Charles currently thinks doesn’t matter. It’s the economic policies…. The values of the Democratic party are teach a man to fish you have his vote for a day. Give a man a fish and you have his vote for a lifetime.
If cared enough I would look into why Charles Barkley left the Republican party… methinks it may have had something to do with George W. Bush but I digress.
I know everyone hates attorneys until they need one. Then it’s: “What have you done for me lately?”
I am sure you will see the light someday. In the meantime, I am happy enough making a nice living helping people with problems.
I have no idea why he left, either. But to do such a 180 implies to me he must’ve been struck by previously unseen disparities between his beliefs and those of the party. But that’s pure conjecture on my part.
Anyway, 30, we totally disagree, but I understand — even if I don’t support — your theory on the Democrats. But I know your heart’s in the right place. I just believe that people sometimes need help, and that’s not an awful thing. I hope you get what I mean.
I apologize. Let me grab my wife and see if she will……….
Yup. She is sorry too. 2 down. 1,143,356 to go, according to the ABA.
Okay… it still doesn’t change what he initially said. What he said is true.
This is pretty good.
Not to dog-pile here, but do you realize how responsible your profession is for the high costs of medical care and insurance rates in general? I mean, do you admit any culpability on the behalf of your fellow barristers?
Fair enough. I understand where you are coming from as well.
30, for one second, can we agree that, regardless of what party people are voting for, the disparity b/w poor people and rich people has widened significantly over the last few decades (although, a recent study in LA says the disparity is smaller than the rest of the country…for obvious reasons)?
First off, condemning an entire industry for the perceived bad deeds on one small segment is absurd. Do we condemn the entire restaurant industry because McDonalds serves crappy burgers?
Second, there are a lot more factors that go into the cost of health care and insurance premiums than litigation. First among them is the fact that we as a society demand the most cutting edge treatments and care. Nothing wrong with that, but lets be honest about the price. Also, we basically subsidize research for the rest of the world because we have the freest markets combined with the most demand.
Third, you may not want to admit this, but litigation attorneys do serve a valuable role. They hold companies accountable for misdeeds. That translates into more responsible companies. Now, with Med mal, it is tricky because it is difficult for any layperson to determine when negligence has occurred in that context. And that is why some tort reform there would be fine, but by and large, blaming high medical costs on litigation attorneys is I believe a red herring.
I have to go soon (Yay! Vacation! Finally!) but it’s not that I don’t understand the idea of self-reliance. And I think my parents — particularly my mom, who grew up poor and always saw her ability to succeed as evidence that anyone could (I strongly disagree with this assessment) — instilled in me the notion that if I got good grades and worked hard, I could do whatever I wanted. But I recognize that I have a safety net — and I don’t buy that for most people it’s that easy. And I think much-hailed anecdotal evidence about the few people who make it out reinforces that they’re the exceptions to the rule — poverty is cyclical, and for so many complex reasons. I’m lucky I had parents who allowed me to never have to struggle as a result of their own hard work, but I had a nonprofit job involving marginalized communities that (if I didn’t already believe it) only proved to me how incredibly difficult it is to succeed in no-win situations. So I support aid to people with little. I just think it’s the right thing to do.
nyk,
I wish it were that simple – there are a number of factors at work here.
Disparity b/w the rich and the poor will widen as the country gets wealthier because there is no upward limit on how rich one can become, but there’s a natural floor to the poverty level.
Besides, the equality we should measure is the equality of opportunity not of outcomes.
There’s more than “perceived” bad deeds here, and it is not “absurd”. And it’s not just a “small segment” we’re talking about. Lawyers in the world of politics (i.e., Clintons) are good examples of the corruption and venality of that profession. It is almost epidemic in proportion.
Lawyers have been misconstruing and degrading our laws for decades now. Too often we see criminals get off on technicalities and go commit crimes again and again.
It seems that lawyers no longer uphold the spirit of the law, but only the letter of the law. And they get rich doing it. And that’s why they, as a profession, are hated.
No doubt, there are good lawyers out there – I have met some who are devout Christians and have a true sense of what the law means. However, I have also witnessed so much arrogance and disregard for the humanity of others by lawyers that I find them, as a group, quite contemptible.
Your arrogant assumption that Obama will win, and you will crow over it by eating a $100 ham and drinking conservatives’ salty tears merely reinforces that “perception”. Indeed, it is no “perception”. The arrogance is real, and is exemplfied by your attitude on this board daily.
And you wonder why people like myself attack you, deride you, and scorn you?
Look in the mirror.
We’re seeing this from very different views. But again — I think your heart is in the right place, but we have totally different remedies on the right way to help. Again — we’ll have to agree to disagree, but just know that your perspective isn’t totally lost on me. I just disagree, but I understand where you’re going.
I have to take a train out to the tiny place where I rent a lovely summer house each year (so excited!). Have a great night, everyone!
It seems your mother and I have similar backgrounds. I absolutely agree that poor people need help. We simply disagree on what form that “help” should take on. Throwing money at an issue doesn’t fully address it. But we should keep in mind that the poor people we are helping have to want to help themselves. Much like dealing with an addict you can reach a point when you are becoming an enabler… so that help takes on the form of dependency. And that is the state in which we find ourselves.
You are hilarious. That comment had nothing to do with me being an attorney and everything with me being sick of taking the idiotic attacks from the likes of you.
And by the way,I love people like you talk about violating the “spirit” (as opposed to following the letter of the law when they don’t like the result while in the next breath whining and complaining about hudges who “make law from the bench” and are not “strict constructionists.”
There is no “spirit” of the law, sweetie. There is the law. And attorneys are duty bound to uphold that. If someone gets off because the law is bad, then change it. Don’t bitch about attorneys doing their job.
by the way, my wife is a “good” attorney who helps, for free, the most vulnerable of our society. And she is not a Christian. Yet somehow she manages to have a sense of morality and social justice, so take your snide “devout Christian” comment and stuff it.
nyk,
Have fun!
Gotta pack up the laptop, but thanks, dear! And have a great weekend!
Re read my comment. It’s about your arrogance, and the arrogance of those in your profession.
Of course, you don’t see it. Typical.
Please atheling, no one here tries so very very hard to be as e-tough as you. But don’t worry, I wouldn’t drink your tears without a nice shot of penicillin and a hefty life insurance policy in place first.
And I hope for your sake that when you are arrested for advocating armed insurrection against the US (remember that?), your attorney is arrogant and not a wilting lily. You will need all the help you can get because the letter (and the spirit!) of the law is against you. And Thomas Jefferson (who, btw was a LAWYER dun-dun-dun and considered pretty arrogant) will not magically appear to save you, despite your best hopes.
Good for them.
If you are a Pro-life “Values Voter”, take note that while a values voter debate had been planned for the Democratic candidates, they all declined.
On the Republican side, the no-show candidates were Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, and Mitt Romney.
Oh, please let me jump on the anti-Atheling train.
If you disagree with her, then you’re every mean word in the book. I have personally been called a racist and a misogynist.
I think the best example of her idiocy is in this thread. When Chap made a joke about being an atheist, she didn’t laugh or play along or anything. And it’s not like anyone is asking her to agree with atheism.
But the way she reacts to an atheism is to call him a morally bankrupt Pharisee.
(By the way, I am shocked no one has called her out for her anti-Semetism. Pharisee refers to a social movement of Jews from 536BC-70AD. Ironically, the group is known for their following religious rules instead of social justice. A crime Atheling is guilty of. But I digress.)
Atheling has kidnapped and assaulted people she didn’t agree with. And her assault against lawyers is all sorts of crazy.
Atheling, there all sorts of crazies. Look at, for example, Soap Box. Here’s a guy who I’m constantly butting heads with here. But he’s dedicating his life to helping others and even when we’re in heated exchanges manages some sort of politeness. Sometimes it’s strained, but it’s there.
I just have to know…what exactly is your problem? No one is asking you to be pro-choice. No one is asking you to vote against your conscience. You seem like the kind of person who would disown their child if they voted Democrat. What does that accomplish?
Chap jokes about being stood up by a lawyer during prom. But I really think something happened to you that made you such an unreasonable person. Care tell us what that was?
Are you providing e-analysis or e-therapy?
That was funny.
And just as an aside, I just now noticed atheling’s little “spiritually lazy” comment. She has no idea how much I have studied and struggled with issues of faith and religion. She has no idea how many nights that, as a teenager who grew up surrounded by devout Catholics and Mennonites, I laid awake, feeling awful that I did not believe in God and thinking how much easier it would be if I did. How much easier it is to be a moral person when you think there is reward or how much more palatable the thought of death is when you believe that it is not the end or how one can make sense of seemingly insensible and horrible things as being part of a greater plan.
But, in the end I decided, as a matter of my conscience, that my uncomfortableness with the idea of there being no God did not outweigh my sincere belief that there is none.
So I will take whatever lumps come my way from people who in good faith disagree with my ideas, but I will not stand for an intellectually lightweight hack like atheling, QUESTIONING MY INTELLECTUAL “LAZINESS” WHEN IT COMES TO RELIGION BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LIKE MY CONCLUSION.
Go to hell atheling. And by the way that was irony and sarcasm in case you couldn’t process that.
#148 rusty said:
I admit that I’m just nit-picking here – but in some polite circles, what atheling described doing to her friend, in an earlier post, is often called an “intervention,” isn’t it? I thought her friend ended up thanking her a few years later?
My only other comment here is, although he is not to be admired, “Steve456″ is a great name for a garage band.
There, I said it.
chapoutier – I can’t apologize for atheling, but I can say I’m sorry that there are people who speak such vile things in the name of Christ. She does not speak for all people of faith or for Christ.
I understand coming to the conclusion there is no God. I came to that same conclusion myself once upon a time. I’m now a person of deep faith in God. Although I most certainly don’t always act like it. I won’t attempt to change your mind. I just want you to know that there are people of faith who wince at the words she typed to you.
I don’t know what else to say.
Well, as I understand it, by the very act of being born, i.e. separated from the mother’s body, a “fetus” achieves “personhood” and is, at least in legal terms, afforded all the rights and privileges as such. If the parents wanted to kill him/her, their opportunity ended when the baby left the vaginal canal. So it is not that the parent’s rights are usurped, but that the infant, now a patient at the hospital, gains his/hers.
So Obama came out against universal health care? Interesting.
Interesting again, considering Obama’s support from the legal community. Since when is the Democrat party against trial lawyers?
Is this guy seriously trying to say that the Catholic church would fight for the rights of the parent to kill the baby after an unsuccessful abortion?
You have to be kidding me! As a “recovering Catholic,” I think I can tell you it just ain’t so. It may fly with readers of the WaPo, but it does not gibe with reality.
Probably so, yet the good that such an organization does can’t launder the bad.
Perhaps federal and state funding should be prohibited, and a purely donation based approach should be considered for institutions like this, just as the liberals have done to the Boy Scouts.
Given the amount of money being thrown at Obama, the free cash clearly exists, and nobody will feel that they have been forced to support something they don’t agree with.
And then, the government can get back to the job it is supposed to do: protecting the country and fixing the roads, or whatever the Constitution mandates.
People who want to kill their children are not “parents”, and Catholic teaching has always opposed abortion with no exception.
I won’t be surprized when the government makes all post abortions legal. After all if a parent changes their mind on whether to keep their baby they can terminate it even after its born. I know this sounds extreme but after the way things have slidden down the slippery slope, nothing will surprize me. The excuse will be its still a mother’s choice to abort the baby even after its born.
garydt – Barbara Boxer has floated that position already. As have several others. It is a reality. And while it’s shocking and revolting, it isn’t surprising. How tragic is that?
I love Alan Keyes!
I am just trying to picture all these black anti abortion folks being segregated into cages like the other protesters.
And by Howard Dean’s lily white DNC leadership, no less…
Untrue! Black PLs, like Black Conservatives have the amazing power of invisibility to Liberals and the MSM.
Why, its rumored that once Bill Moyers tried filming a few, and when the film was processed, there was no image on the film!
Then, there’s the rumor that Katey Curic can’t see their reflection in mirrors…