Black pro-lifers to protest at DNC

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 20, 2008 12:52 PM

Just received in my e-mailbox. Maybe they can make a trip to McCain HQ next:

DENVER, Aug. 20 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Colorado Right to Life and American Right to Life will stand with black leaders from around the country at their Power in the Park rally and press conference on August 25, 2008, 8:30 am at Martin Luther King Park, one block from the largest Planned Parenthood abortuary in the nation.

The killing center, dubbed Auschwitz, by local opponents of the racist organization, is situated in north Denver’s minority neighborhood – consistent with the patterns of targeting minorities noted by Blackgenocide.org.

Speakers include presidential candidate Dr. Alan Keyes with America’s Independent Party, Jessie Lee Peterson, president of BOND, Rev Clenard Childress of Blackgenocide.org, Flip Benham of Operation Rescue National, and Denver’s Bishop Phillip Porter, former chairman of Promise Keepers, who will expose the tragedy that although black women comprise 6% of the population, they receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America. The leading abortion providers exploit blacks by placing 94% of abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.

These leaders agree with CRTL and ARTL that because abortion is always wrong, every innocent human life deserves legal protection, from the moment of fertilization and through natural death.

Black leaders, including Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King have recently been asking why black Americans are being targeted by Planned Parenthood for abortions and demanding that the killing stop.

Dr. Keyes, in fact, relates his revulsion about Denver’s new abortion mill:

“The number one taker of black life is abortion, and it’s time people woke up to that fact. The location of this latest Planned Parenthood facility in yet another minority neighborhood is a part of the continuing fulfillment of the racist, eugenicist dream of their founder, Margaret Sanger, but it is a travesty of the American dream. Planned Parenthood’s agenda discards the principle that we are all created equal, which is the basis of liberty for all Americans.” – Alan Keyes

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  1. #1
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Now this is the kind of black reparations I can get behind.

  2. #2
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:56 pm, atheling said:

    Me too.

  3. #3
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, sandyb said:

    I don’t want to be a pessimist, but this info has been out there for years. Why would black voters finally start listening? And their boy Barry doesn’t just advocate for abortion but infanticide.

  4. #4
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, guitarplayer said:

    While it’s great to see a protest like this, it will make no difference with the DNC. Their coffers are lined with Planned Parenthood money.

  5. #5
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, b-cat said:

    A hearty round of applause to these men and women! This will be one interesting convention.

  6. #6
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, atheling said:

    Even if it won’t make a difference within the DNC, it will highlight the racism and eugenics ideals that the DNC possesses.

    That’s a good thing. It might make some thinking black folks turn from the party.

  7. #7
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    Can I postulate Barry O. would actually kill more black Americans than help them? He’d put the death factory in high gear.

  8. #8
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Je$$ie? Al?

  9. #9
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, traveler49 said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, guitarplayer said:
    While it’s great to see a protest like this, it will make no difference with the DNC. Their coffers are lined with Planned Parenthood money.

    By extension, their coffers are lined with my taxes paid to the federal government. This makes me sick.

  10. #10
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, guitarplayer said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, atheling said:

    Even if it won’t make a difference within the DNC, it will highlight the racism and eugenics ideals that the DNC possesses.

    You’re assuming that people will pay attention. Most of them will be too star-struck with Obama to care.

  11. #11
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, vickisoup said:

    :-(

  12. #12
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, b-cat said:

    Guitarplayer, we are also assuming that they will recieve any MSM attention. But hope springs eternal.

  13. #13
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, atheling said:

    guitarplayer:

    You failed to read my comment more closely. I said thinking black folks.

  14. #14
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    black women comprise 6% of the population, they receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America.

    Wow.

  15. #15
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, Rusty said:

    The media won’t pay attention because Alan Keyes is not worthy of attention.

    But good to know that Reductio ad Hitlerum is still in style.

  16. #16
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    sandyb said:
    And their boy Barry doesn’t just advocate for abortion but infanticide.

    Where has he advocated infanticide?

  17. #17
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, rooster said:

    Like Saddleback, this will be completly ignored by the media elite!

  18. #18
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I am sure MSNBC will be falling all over themselves trying to get to Martin Luther King Park to cover this event. I can see the in-depth coverage and the concern spewing forth from Keith Oberman in my mind.

    You will see more about Bill Ayers or John Edwards love baby then you ever will of this event. Protest? Where?

  19. #19
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, rooster said:

    TOS #16,
    You are definitely still an ignoramous moronous obomanous.

  20. #20
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, b-cat said:
    Guitarplayer, we are also assuming that they will recieve any MSM attention. But hope springs eternal.

    Hopin’ don’t make it so. The MSM will make a point of ignoring them. And the Obamessiah has 90% of the black vote, so he can ignore them too.

  21. #21
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, guitarplayer said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, b-cat said:

    Guitarplayer, we are also assuming that they will recieve any MSM attention. But hope springs eternal.

    True, we can hope. But when there is the big pro-life march in DC each January, it gets no coverage. I’m not too optimistic.

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, atheling said:

    guitarplayer:

    You failed to read my comment more closely. I said thinking black folks.

    Not just black folks, but anyone.

  22. #22
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, mojoe said:

    These brave men and women will be called “Uncle Toms” or the “RNC’s House Niggas” because they dare to stand up to the butchery that is Planned Parenthood and their idealogical partners, the Democrat Party.

    Why are we in this handbasket and where are we going?

  23. #23
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, guitarplayer said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, mojoe said:

    These brave men and women will be called “Uncle Toms” or the “RNC’s House Niggas” because they dare to stand up to the butchery that is Planned Parenthood and their idealogical partners, the Democrat Party.

    You’re absolutely right. When Mike Steele was running for Lt. Governor here in MD, he got Oreo cookies thrown at him during one of the debates.

  24. #24
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Where has he advocated infanticide?

    Born Alive Act, google it, it’s all your good at anyhow.

    Six years ago, Congress passed the “Born-Alive Infants Protection Act,” making it illegal to kill a child who is fully born during an attempted abortion. The bill passed without a single opposing vote in either house, and was signed into law by President Bush on August 5, 2002. When he was a state senator at that same time, Barack Obama opposed a state version of the bill in Illinois.

  25. #25
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, sambo said:

    black women comprise 6% of the population, they receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America.

    That is a little misleading…because zero percent of the men are having abortions…so why include them?

  26. #26
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, Rusty said:

    You’re absolutely right. When Mike Steele was running for Lt. Governor here in MD, he got Oreo cookies thrown at him during one of the debates.

    That has been thoroughly debunked as a lie.

    There is speculation that Oreos were handed out, but there is no proof of this. If that happened, shame on whoever did that.

    But shame on Steele and his campaign for lies like “It was raining Oreos… They were thick in the air like locusts.”

  27. #27
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, sambo said:

    Hopefully these people bought tickets to Obama’s ‘free’ speech…Obama’s Denver Speech ‘An Underground Sellout

  28. #28
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, b-cat said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, sambo said:
    That is a little misleading…because zero percent of the men are having abortions…so why include them?

    Huh?

  29. #29
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, mojoe said:
    These brave men and women will be called “Uncle Toms” or the “RNC’s House Niggas” because they dare to stand up to the butchery that is Planned Parenthood and their idealogical partners, the Democrat Party.

    Why are we in this handbasket and where are we going?

    I’ll tell ya, not in a good direction. At the rate black women are aborting babies, along with a naturally declining birth rate, even as the birthrate of latinos continue to excelerate, blacks will very soon find themselves to be a politically irrelevant minority to the Democrats.

    Not that the Democrats have ever really held the black communities in high regard anyway.

  30. #30
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, guitarplayer said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, Rusty said:

    You’re absolutely right. When Mike Steele was running for Lt. Governor here in MD, he got Oreo cookies thrown at him during one of the debates.

    That has been thoroughly debunked as a lie.

    It was? When? Where?

    I watched the debate and saw it myself.

  31. #31
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, sandyb said:

    sandyb said:
    And their boy Barry doesn’t just advocate for abortion but infanticide.

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    Where has he advocated infanticide?

    You must have missed the recent ad nauseum coverage of Obummer’s vote in the Illinois legislature during his years there.

    Sean Hannity’s guest this Sunday night will be Jill Stanek, a nurse, who found a survivor of a late-term abortion in a soiled linen closet in the hospital in which she worked. She held the child for 45 minutes before he died.

    She testified before the legislature. A bill was proposed to allow life-saving meds/measures and/or pain meds be given to these tiny survivors. Obama was the only lawmaker to vote NO. He wants to kill them inside as well as outside the womb. He’s doing some serious backpedaling.

  32. #32
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    JE$$$$$$$$$$IEEEE? AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL?

    Time to stand up for life. You know, you are “reverends” – right? You call yourselves leaders in the “black community” – right? You carry the torch for Martin Lurther King – RIGHT?

    /sarc off

  33. #33
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, sambo said:

    b-cat said:

    sambo said:
    That is a little misleading…because zero percent of the men are having abortions…so why include them?

    Huh?

    Black woment account for 6 percent of the population is misleading because only women have abortions…they should have said they account for 12 percent of women.

  34. #34
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, b-cat said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for Jesse and Al until I hear the screams of frost-bitten devils.

  35. #35
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, Hangfire said:

    Hmmmmmm……….If 40% of the abortions performed in this country are from the Black populace, what does that say about the other 60%? Does that mean we just have to wait a few years and there won’t BE a Democrat Party?

  36. #36
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, DagneyT said:

    Where has he advocated infanticide?

    He voted THREE TIMES against the “born alive” act. He’s tried to say it was because the “mother wasn’t protected”, but the third one included protection for the mom, and he STILL voted against it! Now he’s saying it’s because it might “endanger Rowe v. Wade”. Even Barbara Boxer and Shrillary Clinton voted for this act!

    Any questions?

  37. #37
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, General Buck Turgidson said:

    #28…

    Black women may only be 6% of the TOTAL population, but they are a significantly higher percentage of the FEMALE population (lets say, 12%, assuming that the gender split is 50%/50%). Still 12% to 40% is quite a large gap.

    I do have one issue here, however. No one is forcing anyone to get an abortion here…it’s a personal decision by these populations (perhaps an uneducated and VERY unfortunate decision) but a personal decision none the less.

    Saying that placing abortion clinics in poor minority neighborhoods is genocide, is like blaming McDonalds for making people fat. You CHOOSE to eat unhealthy food, and you CHOOSE to have an abortion.

    Furthermore, has anyone correlated these statistics to the number of black children born out of wedlock compared to whites? I would venture a guess that there are plenty of statistics to back up a position that out-of-wedlock pregnancies are far more likely to end in an abortion than those where the father is also the husband. This would SIGNIFICANTLY skew the statistics.

  38. #38
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, radio relay said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, Rusty said:

    You’re absolutely right. When Mike Steele was running for Lt. Governor here in MD, he got Oreo cookies thrown at him during one of the debates.

    That has been thoroughly debunked as a lie.

    ========================================

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, guitarplayer said:

    It was? When? Where?

    I watched the debate and saw it myself.

    Oh, it was thoroughly debunked as a lie by Rusty… Guess you missed it… So did I.

  39. #39
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, b-cat said:

    Oh okay Sambo. I may be splitting hairs but then it is safe to assume that black women then would make up 6% of the population of women, no?

  40. #40
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, DagneyT said:

    Michelle, are you going to be there? I wish I still lived in Colorado!

  41. #41
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    Planned Parenthood receives over $300 million dollars per year of our tax monies courtesy of the Federal Government. Whether you want to admit it or not, the eugenics monsters are profiting from all of us.

  42. #42
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, alaskangrizzly said:
    Where has he advocated infanticide?
    Born Alive Act, google it, it’s all your good at anyhow.

    Nice link to the Federal version of BAIPA. Obama wasn’t even in Congress then. You should have linked to the Illinois state one, which was really an unnecessary bill considering the State of Illinois already had born-alive protection since 1975. Since this protection was already on the books, maybe he just had a problem with some of the other elements of the bill:

    First, the BAIPA would have immediately usurped the rights of the parents without any hearing or legal process. Second, the act would have mandated taxpayer funds be used for the health care as long as the needy child was alive, administered by still another government bureaucracy. Third, it gave a green light to trial lawyers to sue just about everybody on two legs. Catholic teaching always protects the rights of parents against big government.

    source

  43. #43
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, b-cat said:
    I won’t hold my breath waiting for Jesse and Al until I hear the screams of frost-bitten devils.

    You can bet they will be there screaming about them being repressed because whity is keeping frost from them though.

  44. #44
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    LGM

    The media won’t pay attention because Alan Keyes is not worthy of attention.

    But good to know that Reductio ad Hitlerum is still in style.

    Yeah, we know the MSM is afraid that traditional aspects threaten the existence of your grand delusion of a utopia for the world, but the Hitler comparisons are ineffective and old.

    Sixty years of it tends to make the shock and awe vanish.

    Besides, negative coverage a man of African descent might mean Mr. Keyes will call them “intolerant” if he’s put in a bad light.

    For certain liberals, that’s like the end of world and a chance they just can’t take.

  45. #45
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, sambo said:

    b-cat said:
    Oh okay Sambo. I may be splitting hairs but then it is safe to assume that black women then would make up 6% of the population of women, no?

    No, they make up about 12 % of the women…6 % of total population. Thats why I said its misleading the way they phased that.

  46. #46
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:
    LGM

    LOL – that was Rusty who said that. It is not the first time their posts have been crossed up!!! :lol:

  47. #47
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Where’s lgm when there’s a math question?

  48. #48
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, General Buck Turgidson said:

    This might be slightly OT, but this reminds me of the great Sir Charles quote…

    Charles Barkley said it best: “Poor people been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years, and they still poor.”

  49. #49
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Funny you should mention that TOS, another weak argument. The “already on the books version” you linked says this right at the start:

    Without in any way restricting the right of privacy of a woman or the right of a woman to an abortion under those decisions, the General Assembly of the State of Illinois do solemnly declare and find in reaffirmation of the longstanding policy of this State, that the unborn child is a human being from the time of conception and is, therefore, a legal person for purposes of the unborn child’s right to life and is entitled to the right to life from conception under the laws and Constitution of this State. Further, the General Assembly finds and declares that longstanding policy of this State to protect the right to life of the unborn child from conception by prohibiting abortion unless necessary to preserve the life of the mother is impermissible only because of the decisions of the United States Supreme Court and that, therefore, if those decisions of the United States Supreme Court are ever reversed or modified or the United States Constitution is amended to allow protection of the unborn then the former policy of this State to prohibit abortions unless necessary for the preservation of the mother’s life shall be reinstated.

    And you wonder why they needed a second bill. Because I’m sure all the abortions in IL are just to protect the health of the mother. /sarc Oh and your hero Uuhbama who voted against it the first time in the state version said he voted against it because

    His explanation for the vote since then has been that the state version did not include a so-called “neutrality clause” which says explicitly that the bill is not meant to influence the legal standing of a fetus before birth one way or another.

    But how do you explain that when the bill was revised to match the federal bill word for word he still voted against it:

    On March 12, 2003, when the bill was being debated, an amendment was added that inserted the neutrality language of the federal bill verbatim into the Illinois bill. Obama voted for the amendment (that’s the vote on the left-hand column on this committee vote record), and then voted against the amended bill (that’s the vote on the right on the same document). All the Democrats on the committee (which Obama chaired) followed his lead, and the bill was defeated.

    Yeah, so one can effectively surmise that if a baby survives an abortion that Obama is all for a doctor killing it after it is born alive. His own record stands clear on this fact no matter how hard you try and spin it. Even all the (D)’s in Congress voted for the federal version and agree that a child born alive during an attempted abortion is a human being that needs protection. You will go to any length to cover for your boy, so sad but not surprising.

  50. #50
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    Where’s lgm when there’s a math question?

    Prolly off somewhere making himself feel better.

  51. #51
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, b-cat said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, sambo said:

    Gotcha. Thanks

  52. #52
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, Rusty said:

    The media won’t pay attention because Alan Keyes is not worthy of attention.

    But the media pays attention to ___ (fill in the blank with your favorite Hollywood liberal). So WORTHINESS has nothing to do with it.

  53. #53
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, cicerokid said:

    #37 Buck said: “is like blaming McDonalds for making people fat.”

    Would it be reprehensible for them to put a mcdoos next to every fat farm in the country?

  54. #54
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, sambo said:

    black women comprise 6% of the population, they receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America.

    That is a little misleading…because zero percent of the men are having abortions…so why include them?

    So Sambo does it make you feel better to change it to this? Black women comprise approximately 12% of the female population but receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America.
    Isn’t that much better?

  55. #55
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, alaskangrizzly said:
    Funny you should mention that TOS, another weak argument. The “already on the books version” you linked says this right at the start:

    Why is that weak? Did you read the whole thing? Is there not protection for a “born-alive” fetus?

    But how do you explain that when the bill was revised to match the federal bill word for word he still voted against it:

    Read all the version of the bills and you’ll see that wasn’t the only change.

  56. #56
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Charles Barkley said it best: “Poor people been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years, and they still poor.”

    Truer words have never been uttered….

    I hear all of the time about how Liberals are fine with their taxes being raised to help the poor. But what they don’t realize is that of all the income transfers (see redistribution), means-tested transfers, those allocated for poor people, account for only about one-sixth of all transfers. So, just like any other government program – there is no accountability and your money doesn’t go where you thought it would. The Samaritan’s dilemma is on full display here. It’s the dilemma that occurs when assisting low-income people with transfers reduces the opportunity cost of choices that lead to poverty. So, in essence, the vicious cycle of poverty continues.

  57. #57
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, sambo said:

    conservativesRus said:
    So Sambo does it make you feel better to change it to this? Black women comprise approximately 12% of the female population but receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America.
    Isn’t that much better?

    Yes it does Rus! I don’t like misleading statements no matter which side of the issue they’re on!

  58. #58
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, swmbo said:

    Some of you nit-pickers need to get a life.

    It doesn’t matter how many, where, when, who, all that matters is that CHILDREN are being murdered and anyone who stands up and says enough is a hero in my book !!

  59. #59
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    The media won’t pay attention because Alan Keyes is not worthy of attention.

    The media won’t shouldn’t pay attention because Alan Keyes Barack Obama is not worthy of attention.

    Fixed it for you.

    I applaud these groups. And I’m not surprise those who are pro-abortion are mocking their efforts.

  60. #60
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    The media won’t shouldn’t pay attention because Alan Keyes Barack Obama is not worthy of attention.

    Man, I’m sooooo sick of seeing and hearing the Obamessiah 24/7. It seems like he’s been president (in his and the MSMs minds) for at least a year already.

  61. #61
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, General Buck Turgidson said:

    #52…

    #37 Buck said: “is like blaming McDonalds for making people fat.”

    Would it be reprehensible for them to put a mcdoos next to every fat farm in the country?

    Only from the perspective that it would cost everyone more tax dollars for the health care of all of the overweight individuals. It’s a free country. If people choose to eat themselves into oblivion, they have my full support. Just don’t ask me to pay for their bad decisions.

    Also, I don’t think people are getting abortions because the “abortuary” is closer to their house than the hospital.

    You don’t normally find Hardee’s and Popeye’s restaruants in high income areas either. Is this also a case of class warfare?

    Personally, I couldn’t be any more staunchly against abortion. However, I don’t think it’s the governments job to legislate morals for us. I think it is the responsibility of our churches, our communities and most importantly, our parents to instill in us our moral values, our sense of right and wrong, etc.

    As I see it, the correct solution for this problem is more churches, and more education, not fewer “abortuaries”. Let’s spend more time teaching people why they SHOULDN’T rather than finding ways to make it so they CAN’T.

  62. #62
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    Okay TOS… Here’s the Federal Law.

    Here’s the original state law.

    Here’s the amendment to the state law.

    If you add the amendment to the state law (that’s what amendments do, you know), it looks like every comma, period, colon, and semi-colon is the same.

    Ball’s in your court…

  63. #63
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Read all the version of the bills and you’ll see that wasn’t the only change.

    Weaksauce.

    Bill SB1662 in 2002 that Obama voted against on April 4th, 2002:

    Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.
    8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any
    9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various
    10 administrative agencies of this State, the words “person”,
    11 “human being”, “child”, and “individual” include every infant
    12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any
    13 stage of development.
    14 (b) As used in this Section, the term “born alive”, with
    15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the
    16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that
    17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion
    18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of
    19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary
    20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
    21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction
    22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean
    23 section, or induced abortion.
    24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall
    25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate
    26 protection under the law.

    Obama’s verbal opposition on the floor as to why he opposed the bill.

    Ammended bill in 2003 SB1082:

    Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.
    8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any
    9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various
    10 administrative agencies of this State, the words “person”,
    11 “human being”, “child”, and “individual” include every infant
    12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any
    13 stage of development.
    14 (b) As used in this Section, the term “born alive”, with
    15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the
    16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that
    17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion
    18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of
    19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary
    20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
    21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction
    22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean
    23 section, or induced abortion.
    24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall
    25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate
    26 protection under the law.

    AMENDMENT TO SENATE BILL 1082

    Amend Senate Bill 1082 on page 1, by
    3 replacing lines 24 through 26 with the following:
    4 “(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to
    5 affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal
    6 right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at
    7 any point prior to being born alive as defined in this
    8 Section.”.

    So according to Obama he “trusts” a primary care doctor performing the abortion to make the “correct determination” to save the life of a child that survives an abortion and finds adding a second doctor to verify viability upon such a circumstance to be overbearing and not needed.

    As I said, his record and words stand as a matter of public record.

  64. #64
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    Oh, and since TOS is so literal, I do realize that amendments can also delete and modify — not just add. (Thought I would get that out of the way before you got side-tracked.)

  65. #65
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, General Buck Turgidson said:
  66. #66
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    Hey AKGrizzly — Didn’t mean to jump in. You were doing a great job of dealing with TOS. I just got tired of reading his Tons o’S**t. :-)

  67. #67
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, right4life said:

    So Sambo does it make you feel better to change it to this? Black women comprise approximately 12% of the female population but receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America.
    Isn’t that much better?

    Margaret sanger would be thrilled to know how well her little eugenics program worked out.

  68. #68
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, Rusty said:

    General Buck, I love your handle.

    As for this:

    It was? When? Where?

    I watched the debate and saw it myself.

    That is a bold lie.

    Considering zero eyewitnesses at the actual event other than Steele and his campaign staff saw Oreos being thrown, and considering Steele’s story has changed at least five times, and considering no media members saw it, and considering this only became a news story three years after the alleged Oreo toss, I’m going to say that the lie of thrown Oreos has been debunked.

    And Sambo (still can’t believe you’re using that handle), hope you learned a lesson. You pointed out a pretty basic error and people are giving you a hard time. Many on this site don’t want the facts if the facts hurt their point. So, thanks for standing up to them.

  69. #69
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, Rusty said:

    Margaret sanger would be thrilled to know how well her little eugenics program worked out.

    She’d probably be pretty disappointed that Planned Parenthood allows minority women to get mammograms and OB/GYN visits at a greatly reduced cost.

  70. #70
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, Paul Revere said:

    The light is slowly (way too slowly IMHO) being turned on in the black community about what White liberals are all about. It may be too late, but it’s worth the effort!

  71. #71
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:50 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    She’d probably be pretty disappointed that Planned Parenthood taxpayers allow[s} minority women to get mammograms and OB/GYN visits at a greatly reduced cost.

    They’re so altruistic… with our funds.

  72. #72
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, James Felix said:

    Many on this site don’t want the facts if the facts hurt their point

    .

    As opposed to the self-proclaimed “reality based community” , which values facts and reason above partisanship and always argues in good faith.

    /sarc off

    Get over yourself.

  73. #73
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, General Buck Turgidson said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, Rusty said:
    General Buck, I love your handle.

    Thanks! You have my sincere respect for recognizing it. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment… :-)

  74. #74
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, Trollman said:

    Charles Barkley said it best: “Poor people been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years, and they still poor.”

    Wow, I’ve never liked Charles Barkley, but that really cracks me up!

  75. #75
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:08 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    She’d probably be pretty disappointed that Planned Parenthood allows minority women to get mammograms and OB/GYN visits at a greatly reduced cost.

    She’d probably think that the day will come when minority women have been aborted to low levels of the populace and don’t need the services…one way or the other they must be eliminated, that was Sanger’s ultimate goal.

    Given how she was worshiped in my sociology classes in college, I have no reason to believe PP has jettisoned her evil intentions.

    None whatsoever.

    And if that’s the case – then let PP drop the abortion services and do the health care. I’d be fine with that.

    Just not the murder of minority children.

  76. #76
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, guitarplayer said:

    Considering zero eyewitnesses at the actual event other than Steele and his campaign staff saw Oreos being thrown, and considering Steele’s story has changed at least five times, and considering no media members saw it, and considering this only became a news story three years after the alleged Oreo toss, I’m going to say that the lie of thrown Oreos has been debunked.

    That’s not true either. It was news the next day on the web and local talk radio. You honestly think any of the liberal TV stations or newspapers in MD are going to report that? It didn’t become a bigger story until Steele ran against Cardin for a senate seat in 2006.

    During the debates, I saw something being thrown, but didn’t hear later what it was. No it wasn’t “raining oreo cookies”, but even one is bad enough.

  77. #77
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Many on this site don’t want the facts if the facts hurt their point

    Yeah, but we let the liberals comment here, anyway.

    I fondly recall many pro-aborts disregard any facts from pro-life websites as biased…especially if those facts contradict their love of harming women and children.

  78. #78
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, atheling said:

    Here’s Rusty again, defending eugenics and killing unborn babies.

    When are you ever on the side of the defenseless, Rusty?

  79. #79
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, BrianNY said:

    #41 TOS said:

    …the State of Illinois already had born-alive protection since 1975.

    Then why were Illinois babies who were surviving labor-induced abortions being shelved in soiled utility closets to die, as late as 2001 when BAIPA was being presented to the senate?

    Since this protection was already on the books, maybe he (Obama) just had a problem with some of the other elements of the bill

    I’d rather take Obama’s word directly. Since 2003, he has defended his committee vote down of BAIPA on the sole basis that federal language protecting “Roe” was missing from the bill. Last week, Jill Stanek (the Illinois nurse at Christ Hospital who spearheaded BAIPA and testified before Obama’s Illinois state committee) produced Illinois Senate BAIPA vote documentation from 2003 proving Obama’s five year defense of his vote to be false.

    Five years is a long time for an elected representative to be falsely claiming something that existing documentation proves otherwise, don’t you think?

    Your linked article, written by Newsweek’s Anthony Stevens-Arroyo, is an amazing piece of liberal sophism. In it, Mr. Stevens-Arroyo accuses those who define the practice of shelving unwanted, labor-induced abortion survivors into soiled utility closets to die as “infanticide” as practitioners of “verbal terrorism.”

    And yet, nowhere in his article does Mr. Stevens-Arroyo describe this horrific practice which prompted the Illinois BAIPA legislation to begin with. Rather, he spends his words trying to associate those who describe this horrific practice as “infanticide” with anti-Irish cartoonists who depicted their subjects as apes and baboons in the 19th century. Rather asymmetrical logic coming from a tenured professor who Newsweek considers to be their predominant expert on religious affairs, no?

    Since Mr. Stevens-Arroyo failed to provide examples for the reasons he believes Senator Obama “may” have voted down BAIPA (although Obama has already been dishonestly clear in his five year explanation of his vote) perhaps you can do me the favor of an explanation:

    First, the BAIPA would have immediately usurped the rights of the parents without any hearing or legal process.

    How?

    Second, the act would have mandated taxpayer funds be used for the health care as long as the needy child was alive, administered by still another government bureaucracy.

    Since Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois (the institution which was exposed for practicing this form of infanticide) already receives federal funding, and as Mr. Stevens-Arroyo admits, the children of Illinois receive taxpayer funded health care to begin with…why is this an issue?

    Third, it gave a green light to trial lawyers to sue just about everybody on two legs.

    How? And are there examples of this phenomenon at the federal level?

    I have been searching for specific examples of these three “problems” that both you and Mr. Stevens-Arroyo think that Senator Obama should have said he had with BAIPA, but I haven’t been able to find any yet.

  80. #80
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, sambo said:

    Rusty said:
    And Sambo (still can’t believe you’re using that handle),

    and I still can’t believe you have a problem with it.

    hope you learned a lesson. You pointed out a pretty basic error and people are giving you a hard time.

    Black women do make up 6% of the population but since only 50% of the population can have an abortion…its misleading as I see it but not an error.

    Many on this site don’t want the facts if the facts hurt their point. So, thanks for standing up to them.

    I find that most people on this site want the facts. I think Rus was just stating that the number is still very high…which I do agree.

  81. #81
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, Micheleeroo said:

    Thank goodness these people are speaking up. Democrats hugely support Planned Parenthood, yet claim to be “for” african-americans. They are in complete denial about PP’s genocidal founding prinicpals, but maybe now the publicity will reach a critical mass and people will get the message. I sense a slow, steady move toward the word getting out and PP falling more and more into disrepute. It may take awhile, but I think it will happen.

  82. #82
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Cool – just curious: is there any difference between a black pro-lifer and a white pro-lifer?

    Why do they refer to themselves as black pro-lifers or black conservatives?

    Aren’t they trying to move away from color and have people look at the content of their characters?

  83. #83
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, BrianNY said:

    #41 TOS said:

    …the State of Illinois already had born-alive protection since 1975.

    Then why were Illinois babies who were surviving labor-induced abortions being shelved in soiled utility closets to die, as late as 2001 when BAIPA was being presented to the senate?

    Bravo point, Brian NY!

  84. #84
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Cool – just curious:

    Cool – just curious: why does a liberal whack job bother to register on a conservative blog then do nothing but come in and randomly spam threads with random nonsense and red herrings?

    Oh and if you want a serious answer to your stupid question why don’t you ask your buddy Uuhbama about race politics:

    I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. 03/18/2008 -Barack Obama

  85. #85
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, DBNinKY said:

    She’d probably be pretty disappointed that Planned Parenthood allows minority women to get mammograms and OB/GYN visits at a greatly reduced cost.

    Of all the pro-bono programs that provide these same services to the under-privileged in my area of the state, I cannot name a one that receives funding through, from, or as a result of PP!

    My point, there are many other programs – some private, some public – that do this w/o making a mint off of ending the lives of the unborn as a sideline.

  86. #86
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, DBNinKY said:

    “…because Alan Keyes is not worthy of attention.”

    My, my, how tolerant & non-judgmental of you.

  87. #87
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, radio relay said:

    Oh, it was thoroughly debunked as a lie by Rusty… Guess you missed it… So did I.

    I know what you mean! He and LGM seem to be imbued with the power pronounce and judge at will the acceptability and veracity of everyone and thing conservative. What a power!

  88. #88
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Cool – just curious: is there any difference between a black pro-lifer and a white pro-lifer?

    No – no difference. Just decent people standing up for the defenseless against a cruel and selfish world and against a great, great evil.

    Why do they refer to themselves as black pro-lifers or black conservatives?

    Because liberals like to believe that blacks only support the Democratic party and that any black (or woman, or other minority) that doesn’t really isn’t black/Asian/Hispanic or is a self-hating woman.

  89. #89
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, mchristian said:

    First, the BAIPA would have immediately usurped the rights of the parents without any hearing or legal process. Second, the act would have mandated taxpayer funds be used for the health care as long as the needy child was alive, administered by still another government bureaucracy.

    First, the mother has just attempted to rid herself of the unwanted product of intercourse. I would say that her rights have been terminated. Second, when did this unwanted product of intercourse become a child? Obama can’t say now. Was he able to make that determination then?

  90. #90
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:34 pm, Wellsy said:

    Glad to see it, don’t know if it will matter much in the long run.

  91. #91
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:42 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    FYI: The “Bishop” there is not a Catholic one.

    Intersting omission from your news article oif one of the biggest “name” pleaders in that event.

    Roman Catholic Archbishop Chaput will be leading prayers there with Alveda King, Monday Night.

    Notably he was NOT invited to be part of the “religious leaders” gathering at the DNC (but a couple of radical nuns were).

    Archbishop Chaput’s words:

    Civil rights flow from an even more basic human right: the right to life.

    In our day, sanctity of life issues are foundational — not because of anyone’s “religious” views about abortion, although these are important; but because the act of dehumanizing and killing the unborn child attacks human dignity in a uniquely grave way. Deliberately killing the innocent is always, inexcusably wrong. It sets a pattern of contempt for every other aspect of human dignity. In redefining when human life begins and what is and isn’t a human person, the logic behind permissive abortion makes all human rights politically contingent.

    In offering his own thoughts on Catholic social teaching, the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin warned against the misuse of his “seamless garment” imagery to falsely invest different social issues with the same moral gravity. Many social issues are important. Many require our attention. But some issues have more weight than others. Deliberately killing innocent human life, or standing by and allowing it, dwarfs all other social issues. Trying to avoid this fact by calling the unborn child a lump of pre-human cells is simply a corrupt and corrupting form of verbal gymnastics.

    Real Catholic citizenship requires much more than a tribal loyalty to any political party. It demands that we work (and make noise) within our political parties to change them; to force them to recognize and defend the sanctity of human life, beginning with the unborn child

    No wonder the Democrats didn’t invite him. Given Obama’s actions on abortion, and his “verbal gymnastics” (great term!) regarding abortion…

    Archbishop Chaput’s words are like a moral dagger to Obama.

  92. #92
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, nyk said:

    Now this is the kind of black reparations I can get behind.

    Cheap.

    I don’t want to be a pessimist, but this info has been out there for years. Why would black voters finally start listening? And their boy Barry doesn’t just advocate for abortion but infanticide.

    It might make some thinking black folks turn from the party.

    I would consider myself among those “thinkers” (you’ll disagree, I’m sure, but we’ll have to agree to disagree) and frankly, I cannot imagine ever voting Republican. I disagree, fundamentally, with the party’s platform — as do millions of other people who happen to be black and white and Latino and Asian and of every stripe and color. I personally disagree with abortion, for myself, but I’m so opposed to conservative ideals, I would never support a conservative candidate. That doesn’t make me or (since you probably just think it’s something “with me”) unthinking, it just means we have different virtues we hold dear.

    As for the “their boy Barry” comment, the fact is, no matter who was in Barack’s place right now, s/he would have overwhelming black support. Despite being social conservatives, African-Americans consistently vote Democrat. There’s genuine reasons why. I’m a social liberal, but I think I know why those who are not choose not to go Republican.

    Charles Barkley said it best: “Poor people been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years, and they still poor.”

    Truer words have never been uttered….

    I guess Charles Barkley now disagrees with you, since he’s long since become a Democrat.

  93. #93
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:59 pm, atheling said:

    Ordinary Coloradan:

    Thanks for the quote. Archbishop Chaput’s words succinctly summarize why killing the unborn is unconscionable for any reason.

    And Alveda King’s presence adds gravitas as well.

  94. #94
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:00 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    He wrote this back in January:

    We can choose to be something else, but if we choose to call ourselves Catholic, than that word has consequences for what we believe and how we act. We can’t truthfully claim to be Catholic and then act like we’re not.

    If we say we’re Catholic, we need to show that by our love for the Church and our fidelity to what she teaches and believes. Otherwise we’re just fooling ourselves, because God certainly won’t be fooled.

    The Church is not a political organism. She has no interest in partisanship because getting power or running governments is not what she’s about, and the more closely she identifies herself with any single party, the fewer people she can effectively reach.

    However, Scripture and Catholic teaching do have public consequences because they guide us in how we should act in relation to one another. Loving God requires that we also love the people He created, which means we need to treat them with justice, charity and mercy

    But how do we make good political choices when so many different issues are so important and complex? The first principle of Christian social thought is: Don’t deliberately kill the innocent, and don’t collude in allowing somebody else to do it. The right to life is the foundation of every other human right. The reason the abortion issue is so foundational is not because Catholics love little babies — although we certainly do — but because revoking the personhood of unborn children makes every other definition of personhood and human rights politically contingent.

    So can a Catholic in good conscience support a “pro-choice” candidate? The answer is: I can’t and I won’t. But I do know some serious Catholics — people whom I admire — who will. I think their reasoning is mistaken.

    Don’t keep quiet about it; don’t give up efforts to end permissive abortion; keep lobbying party and elected representatives to change their pro-abortion views and protect the unborn.

    Hey Gov Sebelius, did you read THAT?

    We can’t truthfully claim to be Catholic and then act like we’re notGod certainly won’t be fooled

    Yes, he was talking about YOU and others like you (Kennedy, etc).

    Hey Dems. does that sound like a man who would give Obama a “go along get along” kind of speech?

    I guess we know now why he was not invited to their “religious leadership” meeting in spite of being the head of the largest religious group in Denver.

    I expect we will see more of this language and challenge from the Archbishop on Monday. That is, if the press has the courage to cover the event and not put it below the fold in the back of the paper.

  95. #95
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    We can’t truthfully claim to be Catholic and then act like we’re not… God certainly won’t be fooled

    Every day I wake up and thank God I am an atheist so I don’t have to worry about issues like this.

  96. #96
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    I guess Charles Barkley now disagrees with you, since he’s long since become a Democrat.

    He’s since become a Democrat and that changes his previous statement how?

  97. #97
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Every day I wake up and thank God I am an atheist

    Funniest comment by chap ever made :lol:

  98. #98
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm, atheling said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    We can’t truthfully claim to be Catholic and then act like we’re not… God certainly won’t be fooled

    Every day I wake up and thank God I am an atheist so I don’t have to worry about issues like this.

    Uh, you thank God you’re an atheist?

    Real meaning:

    Every day I wake up and thank God I am an atheist a morally bankrupt Pharisee so I don’t have to worry think about issues like this because I’m a spiritually lazy and vacuous twit.

  99. #99
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pm, nyk said:

    He’s since become a Democrat and that changes his previous statement how?

    It simply means that the person who made the statement clearly no longer believes it. That seems notable to me, and I just wanted to keep you up to speed.

  100. #100
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:21 pm, nyk said:

    Uh, you thank God you’re an atheist?

    Um…I think it was irony and sarcasm rolled up into one…

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