Poll question: Could you vote McCain/Lieberman?

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 20, 2008 12:54 AM

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Would you, could you, vote McCain/Lieberman? (Unregistered)
Yes.
Yes, but only with extra-strength nose plugs.
No.
Hell, no.
We’re Screwed ‘08!

  
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  1. #101
    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am, guitarplayer said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Solo said:

    Put Joe in the cabinet, just don’t pick him as VP.

    Why would you want a liberal in the cabinet?

    Lieberman has been very strong on the war on terror. I could see him has SecDef.

  2. #102
    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am, Solo said:

    Mcamnesty would have to bring on Tancredo or Duncan to get my vote.

    That would probably change my mind as well.

  3. #103
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:00 am, FilmLadd said:

    Two words: President Lieberman.

    Most likely, McCain will die his first term. He’s already old, and problem is compounded by the office aging people rapidly.

    Leaving Lieberman in charge.

    No way.

  4. #104
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:00 am, guitarplayer said:

    I should follow up my last comment with “Would I want him there?”, no. McCain can do better.

  5. #105
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am, md1964 said:

    I am voting for the “bottom’ of the ticket…and hopefully McCain will be impeached or just give up and lets a real Conservative repair this country..(not an open borders, big spend, Embryotic Stem Cell Promoting, 1980’s democrat ..which McCain is!!)

  6. #106
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:50 am, TXRose said:

    Every election, it is said. “this is the most important election in history”. No it isn’t. And being a child is going along with the crowd out of fear, rather than thinking logically about the choices and arriving at an intelligent reasoned solution based on your own beliefs. That is what many of the non mcamensty conservative supporters have done. When we are given, and accept, only 2 choices for the highest office in the land year in year out, then we are essentially in a dictatroial state. Remember, the communist also held elctions. “You can vote for communist A or Communist B”.

  7. #107
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:03 am, RedDog said:

    I still don’t get why Sam Nunn would have been considered for Obama. Why would Nunn even talk to the guy?

  8. #108
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:03 am, Solo said:

    McCain can do better.

    Exactly.

  9. #109
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:04 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    It’s not election day yet.

    Having McCain hear major objections to his positions like bad VP choices, open borders and the Global-Warming-Farce will keep pressure on him to drop or alter his plans. Just saying you’d suck it up and vote for him reinforces his bad behavior.

    Keep the pressure on him. Make noise. The idea that his liberal plans would cost him the election is the only thing that his camp will pay attention to.

  10. #110
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am, jbh45 said:

    Lieberman as VP will alienate the base. JM needs to select a fiscal and social conservative, not just someone who is a hawk. I like Palin, Steele, Pawlenty, JC Watts, and Romney. I am not sure how any of these would vet out, but we need a conservative to look to for the future of the party. Otherwise, the republican party will become a moderate dem party while the dems move to a more radical position….like socialism.

  11. #111
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:18 am, SoonerMarine said:

    Yes, regardless of who McCain picks as VP I have resigned myself to go to the polls and vote against Obama. What the McCain nomination has done though is crush any enthusiasm I had for this election. For the first time in almost 20 years I no longer contribute as a sustaining member of the Republican Nat’l Committee. Instead, I take the money I formerly would have give the RNC and donate to specific people. I don’t have a Presidential sign in my yard or a window sticker in my car.

  12. #112
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:21 am, hawkeye54 said:

    I don’t see this as anything other than a rumour. Other than getting the war on Islamic fascism, Lieberman still has very liberal stands on domestic issues. McCain is already strong on this issue. He needs someone who has a strong conservative background on domestic issues.

    While its possible Lieberman may get to play a part in a McCain administration, he would be disaster for the McCain campain if her were nominated as VP.

  13. #113
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:27 am, backwoods conservative said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:18 am, SoonerMarine said:

    I don’t have a Presidential sign in my yard or a window sticker in my car.

    I have a bumper sticker on my van. It says, “Don’t blame me, I voted for Fred”

  14. #114
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:34 am, Morgan said:

    Sure, keep the pressure on McCain in regards to his VP choice, global warming, the borders, etc., but we on the Right still need to vote for McCain.

    Bob Barr doesn’t have a chance (even if he did, I still wouldn’t vote for him); quite frankly, only McCain and Obama have a decent chance of winning the 270 electoral votes needed to be elected.

    Whom do we want for President then, huh? A socialist in all but name or a maverick we only disagree with partially?

    We’re going to get one or the other, so make up your minds and don’t decide on just sitting out the election thinking you’ll get the same results anyway.

  15. #115
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:36 am, Numenorean said:

    So grateful there is a “Hell, no” option. But trying desperately not to have a coronary over the 47% of registered users who said “Yes” or “Yes…with nose plugs.”

  16. #116
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:38 am, Yashmak said:

    So Republicans, what do you do if McCain dies in office and Lieberman becomes President?

    Thank my lucky stars that it’s Lieberman in the Oval Office instead of Obama.

    Bottom line for me is that my vote will go towards protecting this nation from an Obama Presidency, even if that means voting for a McCain-Lieberman ticket.

  17. #117
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:39 am, Romeo13 said:

    Whats truly pathetic is how this makes the Republican party look.

    Are they so morally bankrupt that they will have to go outside the party for a VP pick?

    Are they truly that bad?

    And as an aside, those of you who will hold your nose, and vote for McCain/Lieb ARE the reason he is able to tack left… to do this at all. Your constant harping on “lesser of two evils” and not having a choice, is the reason he feels comfortable even talking about it.

  18. #118
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am, WarEagle82 said:

    McCain/Lieberman will be the end of the GOP and that may be the best thing to come of this debacle.

    It is time to form a new CONSERVATIVE party and that would be a great first step to convince all conservatives who have any faith in the GOP that they need to look elsewhere.

  19. #119
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:48 am, katieanne said:

    I like and respect Lieberman, however, I believe we should have a Republican VP. If the Republican Party is incapable and doesn’t have the depth to nominate a Republican for VP, then the Party is in serious trouble….or should I say more trouble than I already thought.

  20. #120
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Sanddog said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:12 am, fourstringfuror said:

    Ah yes, the “grow up, shut up, get in line” reasoning. Many other McCain followers try the same thing here. Good effort, though.

    A couple of points….

    I’m not telling you to “get in line”, I’m telling you to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child who throws away his banana split because he wanted a hot fudge sundae.

    Second point….

    I’m not a follower and I’m not looking for someone to lead me out of the wilderness. I fully understand the constraints we operate under in the United States regarding our political system. Third party candidates are nice when it comes to forcing change, providing you have enough support and time. We’re not some third world country that embraces revolutionary candidates who scoop us up and ride off into the sunset delivering us from all our cares. We’ve never been that way. Instead, we tend to drift from the left to the right and spend a lot of time hanging out in the center. When the political winds shift, the goal is to contain and control the damage… not to whine and cry.

    Supporting the “change” Obama seeks through voting for him or a third party candidate isn’t in the cards for me. I’d rather tough it out and get through this period with the least amount of damage to this country while working to support good candidates in my state.

  21. #121
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:56 am, TXRose said:

    I agree on making noise and letting McCain know that I don’t agree with his
    stances, but I still think that putting Obama in office just to be able to say that
    it was a Dem that screwed things up this time is dangerous. I would love to
    see either Hunter or Tancredo as vp. That would be my ideal choice for vp or
    president. I would also like to see McCain deep six Juan Hernandez. Unfortunately, McCain doesn’t seem to care what I think, but neither does any
    other politician once he/she gets into office.

  22. #122
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:58 am, Morgan said:

    It is time to form a new CONSERVATIVE party and that would be a great first step to convince all conservatives who have any faith in the GOP that they need to look elsewhere.

    Sure, WarEagle82, and while Democrats take advantage of the disintegrating party, we’ll end up in worse shape as a nation. What’s worse, their being blind to the dangers of Islamic terrorism will open the door for more opportunities at another 9/11. I refuse to accept that.

    You want to know what we should do? Get involved in the Republican Party. Work towards reforming it from the inside, and don’t quit simply because everything looks bleak.

    Looking elsewhere isn’t going to achieve anything except further fracture the conservative base and strengthen the Democrats in the short term. We shouldn’t be expecting the fall of the GOP or waiting for it. Our nation is at stake here.

  23. #123
    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:58 am, Yashmak said:

    And as an aside, those of you who will hold your nose, and vote for McCain/Lieb ARE the reason he is able to tack left… to do this at all.

    - Romeo13

    Are they truly that bad? No. I just don’t think that Republicans as a whole are quite as conservative as the more conservative voters in the party might wish.

    Actually, the fact that conservatives far and wide chose McCain over any of the truly conservative nominees for the Republican candidacy, leaving no hard conservative candidate with a snowflake’s chance of winning, is the reason he can tack to the middle. How could he read the results of the primary any other way?

    It’s not the fault of those of us who can grasp how much worse an Obama presidency would be. We can differ on this, but pointing fingers at each other after the fact is pointless.

  24. #124
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, atheling said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am, Regulus said:

    Although I doubt that McCain will choose Lieberman. McCain himself is the one to capture the electoral center; rather than reinforcing there, he needs someone who will provide the equivalent of sodium bicarbonate the the conservative purists.

    I still note that — at least among the registered users at time I checked — the “We’re screwed!” defeatists were the single largest group.

    Pathetic. They remind me of the the “Hudson” character in the movie, “Aliens.” You know, the guy who melts down like a panicky little girl at the first sign of difficulty.

    At least Hudson in the end managed to get a grip on himself and contribute to the fight in a meaningful way. I wonder if the “We’re Screwed ‘08″ defeatists will find it in themselves to do the same? Or will their last words be, “Game over, man! Game over!!”

    Exactly! I had been thinking of the same character from Aliens as well: “Game over, man! Game over!”

    It also reminds me of my college years. So many of us never bothered to vote because no candidate reflected our ideals. I think the same holds true for that demographic group today, as they have the lowest turn out. (Though this election may prove differently as many of them are fired up for Obama).

    But then, I grew up. Facing the lesser of two evils is an adult choice.

  25. #125
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, Yashmak said:

    Lol

    The AP described Lieberman as follows:

    Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential prick in 2000 who now is an independent.”

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92L2HJ80

  26. #126
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, right4life said:

    I’m not telling you to “get in line”, I’m telling you to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child who throws away his banana split because he wanted a hot fudge sundae.

    thanks but anti-mccain people grew up and started thinking for ourselves, rather than blindly following someone just because they’re republicans, or any other party.

    the country will be worse off with mccain, as he constantly reaches out to democrats, and the republicans will feel obligated to go along….just like bush and the medicare drug giveaway.

    no thanks.

  27. #127
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:08 pm, bit_boy said:

    A perfect matched pair, the dumb and dumber of politics on one ticket, what more could be ask. McSwish really does need a see and eye person and McLie is the one to tell him those are not the Indians those are the calvary. A CIC and CICess in action. Anyway, as I said before, having a Nero in the White House will be interesting.

  28. #128
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:08 pm, TXRose said:

    Why are we borrowing trouble? I thought that somewhere along the line I heard Leiberman say that
    he wouldn’t accept the VP slot on the GOP ticket.
    McCain isn’t stupid. Surely he knows that this is not
    a ticket to win back the ultra conservatives that are
    so turned off by him. I’m going to wait and see what
    happens before I start practicing holding my nose
    while I mark my ballot.

  29. #129
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, RaccoonBrat said:

    How can I vote for a Democrat when they have made it very clear that they are more comfortable with my wife being raped and murdered than they are with allowing her a firearm to protect herself with. Besides, Obama has made it very clear that his ideology is communistic. How can I vote for a Republican when they commit treason by putting Border Patrol agents in prison at the request of a foreign country. Besides, McCain openly committed treason along with most of Congress when they tried to give away our country to foreigners in the Shamnesty bill. McCain is no conservative, he is a dye-in-the-wool Democrat! I had to vote what I believe is the truth: America is screwed big time. Right now I am going to log onto http://www.survivalblog.com and start studying how to best get my family through the trouble that is fast coming!

  30. #130
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    For all you saying, “let’s elect mcamensty now because he is not as bad as obummer, THEN work to get better GOP candidates in the future”, just how do you plan on doing that? That is totally illogical. By voting for mcamensty you are simply validating to the gop that their strategy to drift further left is working and corect. That’s all. We have been voting LOTE for 20 years now, and what exactly ahs it gotten us? The most liberal GOP candidate in the party’s history. Electing mcamensty, especially if he chooses a liberal RINO or lieberman as vp, will yeild us the likes of billary in 2012. Jesus, how many times do we need to be burned by these elitists running the party to get the message? They have no intention of changing, unless forced to. Those are the facts, the quicker you get it the better off we will be. Especailly, on the most crucial issue facing the nation today, illegal immigration. The party leadership has made it celar they support amensty and increasing immigraiton levels by putting martinez at the head.

  31. #131
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, Yashmak said:
    Lol

    The AP described Lieberman as follows:

    “Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential prick in 2000 who now is an independent.”

    Muat get cues from the KOS kids and HUFFPOST. That would be one of the kinder of their discriptions of Lieberman.: )

  32. #132
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, atheling said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    For all you saying, “let’s elect mcamensty now because he is not as bad as obummer, THEN work to get better GOP candidates in the future”, just how do you plan on doing that? That is totally illogical

    It is not illogical. It’s practical. Guess what? Democracy is a messy business. It always has been. It requires the voter to be informed and to work. Unlike a monarchy, where the king does everything for his subjects, we have chosen a system of government which requires that every citizen has a duty to contribute to the political process.

    Finding a candidate that reflects one’s complete world view and ideology is unrealistic. No one will be perfect. Even President Reagan made errors, i.e., high tailing out of Beirut, appointing Kennedy as a SC Justice… however he is viewed as the greatest President of the 20th century.

    I don’t understand how, all of a sudden, we have so many “conservatives” out there who don’t get it. What makes them think that all they need to do is pull the lever every 4 years and then go home and watch sports for the next 4. I think our automated, instant gratification society has created a class of lazy people who want everything their way NOW.

  33. #133
    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, concretebob said:

    If we seed the house and senate with good strong conservatives, ala Alan West, Bill Russell, and the Iraqi Vets for Congress group, we stand a chance of circumventing any damage which might be done by McCain. If we have control back in the legislative branch, we might make it through the next 4 years.

  34. #134
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, Morgan said:

    I don’t understand how, all of a sudden, we have so many “conservatives” out there who don’t get it. What makes them think that all they need to do is pull the lever every 4 years and then go home and watch sports for the next 4. I think our automated, instant gratification society has created a class of lazy people who want everything their way NOW.

    You said it, atheling. This is about who will lead America for the next four years or more, and yet there are those amongst conservatives who will not vote for McCain because of the borders or he is a Democrat in Republican clothing or whatever other reason there is.

    Sure, McCain is not on the same page we are on illegal immigration or global warming, but he is more conservative than some of us would admit. But for these single-issue conservatives, it’s all or nothing, and they don’t seem to care how it ends now. I am ashamed to call them fellow conservatives, if that’s what they are.

  35. #135
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, Sanddog said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, atheling said:

    I don’t understand how, all of a sudden, we have so many “conservatives” out there who don’t get it. What makes them think that all they need to do is pull the lever every 4 years and then go home and watch sports for the next 4. I think our automated, instant gratification society has created a class of lazy people who want everything their way NOW.

    You hit on it with the “lazy” tag. There are a whole lot of people on the left AND the right who want to sit back on their butts and have everything handed to them with no effort on their part.

    If they were wandering in the desert for two days and someone offered them a glass of water, they’d demand a coke. If they didn’t get it, they’d refuse that water out of spite.

  36. #136
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Yashmak said:

    By voting for mcamensty you are simply validating to the gop that their strategy to drift further left is working and corect.

    - WearyCitizen

    Republican voters validated McCain in the primary, in case you don’t recall. If we Republicans really wanted a more conservative candidate, we would have collectively indicated so with our votes then.

    Looking back over the last 18 years I’ve been of voting age, there has never ONCE been a candidate whom I have seen eye to eye with on all issues. If I was to follow the advice of many here, and never vote for a candidate that doesn’t match my principles, I would never have voted for any candidate on any ballot ever. How does that serve this nation? It doesn’t.

  37. #137
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, atheling said:

    First, answer the question. How do you plan to make changes when you validate their leftward drift by voting for mcamnesty? Be specific since you guys are so sure you cna succeed (been real successful so far huh?). Seriously, I understand no candidate is perfect, but he is so far from perfect what is left to support (at least for most of the issues I feel strongly about, and I know obummer is as bad or wrose on those issues)?

    Lazy? No. Lazy is sitting there voting for a candidate based on the letter in front of their name because “he is not the other guy with a different letter in front of his name”. That’s lazy. I went and looked for a candidate that does support the issues I support. And found Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party to be far superior than mcamensty. Oh, I know he has no chance of winning, but so what. I am voting for who I can get behind. Not because he has an “r” beside his name or because it will allow the “other guy” to win. Voting LOTE has gotten us what exactly?

    Now, I have fought the GOP on stupid crap like amnesty. I have gotten involved when it was need by contacting my represetntatives and the GOP staff. What happened in the end? “Comprehensive immigration reform”, headed up by mcamensty, was defeated TWICE in cloture. But there were quite a few dems that voted agaisnt cloture as well. It worked out though. But what did the RNC turn around and do after that? Put mel martinez, a staunch amnesty supporter at the helm. Then proceeded to fill all head staff with amensty supporters and they were not shy about it. They also backed pro amnesty candidates in contested primaries in every instance. They sent campaign contributions as well. Essentially, trying to get the candidates THEY wanted, not the ones the people wanted. Not to mention, that the republican congress has backed gov’t growth and spending for the past 20 years. So, as far as I am concerned the RNC has gove too far and can not be reigned back in. The mcamensty POTUS candidate was the final straw for me.

  38. #138
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, right4life said:

    but he is more conservative than some of us would admit.

    I have asked others for this, but please give me a list of what he is conservative on.

    thanks

  39. #139
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, Sanddog said:

    Let’s see…

    Being lazy is voting for the best candidate who actually can win?

    I suppose voting for someone who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell makes you feel all warm and fuzzy…while you’re blaming the rest of us for being adults and making the best out of the realities of this election.

  40. #140
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, Yashmak said:

    With ya Sanddog. Making a difficult/unsavory choice is far less lazy than staying home on election day.

  41. #141
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Yashmak said:

    Ha! I didn’t vote for him. I voted for Tancredo. No way I would vote for him in the primary. But since mcamensty won anyway (I am convinced as a result of dem cross over voters and the msm disdain for true conservatives), I now MUST vote for him because he has an “r” beside his name? Talk about followers. Good luck to you. I said I was not gogin to debate this nonsense wiht you guys anymore and here I am again. I will not vote LOTE. Get it? And no amount of “obummer is worse” will change that. Look, obummer is worse on many issues. But the congress still has to support whatever crazy policies the idiot devises. So we can survive an obummer presidency for 4 years. But the conservative gop will be lsot forever if mcamensty wins.

  42. #142
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, PhartStorm said:

    When McCain plans to announce his VP choice, the world will be basking in the afterglow of the Obama “Coronation”. I believe if he chooses Romney, this will be received with a yawn by most. McCain needs to shake things up with his VP choice.

  43. #143
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, TXRose said:

    Yahmak…I didn’t get to vote for any of the candidates that I would have liked to
    in the primary because TX doesn’t have it’s primaries until March and the press
    and the party and funds caused the more desirable candidates to pull out of the
    race before they got to us.
    That said, I will vote for McCain because I truly do not think that Obama is
    qualified in any way at all to be President. McCain makes my teeth hurt but he
    is more qualified to be President.
    To have a Congress that has Dems in the majority and a Dem President is not
    something that I feel is good for this country.
    If I have to hold my nose to do this, sobeit.

  44. #144
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, Sanddog said:

    Wow. the comment itself was amazing, but the “I second that’ was over the top. Being active = voting for a sucky candidate becasue he can actually win? Now that is logical and being proactive. Jesus.

  45. #145
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, HappyGene said:

    I’d much rather a pro-life VP, but what if the VP was Condi Rice?

  46. #146
    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, Storm Chaser said:

    I would vote for McCain-Leiberman because alternative is too awful to contemplate. Unless the president dies, the vice president does not run the country.

    McCain could run with Daffy Duck, and I would vote for him, or rather against Obama.

  47. #147
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, atheling said:

    I voted for Tancredo too. He lost. He is not on the ticket.

    By being lazy, I mean that you don’t want to fight for four years after the election to get what you want. Like the work you did to fight amnesty. I did the same. I called, wrote letters, sent faxes, expressed outrage.

    It worked.

    We have to do the same again with whoever is elected. We have a better chance of success if McCain is elected, not with Obama.

  48. #148
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Yashmak said:

    Ha! I didn’t vote for him. I voted for Tancredo. No way I would vote for him in the primary

    - WearyCitizen

    Neither did I. I voted for Duncan Hunter.

    However, neither Tancredo or Hunter is now on the ballot.

    Regarding the ‘lazy’ comments, I’ve already said my piece, but want to add one more thing. If you’re unwilling to vote for McCain, and are willing to accept that this will make an Obama victory more likely, that’s fine. . .but those who have said they will be staying home instead of voting, because McCain is the Republican candidate. . .THEY are the ones truly lazy.

    Write in someone more conservative if you wish, or vote for a more conservative independent that’s on the ballot. THAT will help get your message across. Politicians pay more attention to how people vote, than how they do not vote. If someone doesn’t vote, they have no way of knowing why. If someone votes for someone else, they at least know that you preferred that candidate’s platform, and have something to go on.

    TxRose, we’re on the same page.

  49. #149
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    The first time I was old enough to vote in ‘96, I wrote in James Hetfield, lead singer of Metallica. I’ll be doing so again this year, regardless of the snobby, loud-mouthed McCain supporters on this blog.

    Hetfield is a married father of two (maybe 3, not sure), has traveled the world visiting both our friends and our enemies, has experience leading a multi-million dollar enterprise, has overcome moral adversity (severe drinking problem), is a staunch defender of gun rights, understands the need for war to promote peace (see “Don’t Tread on Me” from the Black Album), comes from “outside the beltway,” and just all around kicks ass. He’s no less qualified than the other tools runnning. Oh, and this year he’s old enough.

    I’ll be writing in Marilyn Manson for his VP, on the condition that he wears men’s clothes while in office.

  50. #150
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, Sanddog said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    Wow. the comment itself was amazing, but the “I second that’ was over the top. Being active = voting for a sucky candidate becasue he can actually win? Now that is logical and being proactive. Jesus.

    We can either be adults and work within the limitations of our current system which does not and has never favored third party candidates or we can scoop up our toys and run home crying.

  51. #151
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, vickisoup said:

    Blogging this issue is fun over at HuffPo today. :P

  52. #152
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, TXRose said:

    It’s your right to write in any name you desire. But what good does it do? No one
    but the workers at your polling place will ever know what you wrote. No one will
    get the idea that you are against the candidates on the ballot. Your protest will be
    null and void before it ever gets started. Someone said, work, work, work for the
    best candidates, in between the elections. True. I have done this for years and
    though, as in today’s case, it doesn’t always work, sometimes it does. It is pure
    unadulterated stubbornness to sit there and say, “Well, I won’t vote for any of Them
    because They are never the ones I want on the ballot.” It’s better to have worked
    for a viable candidate and to be able to say, “Well, at least I have tried.”
    I have never understood donothings.

  53. #153
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Morgan,

    Obviously, I disagree. Sometimes things do get worse before they get better. The RINO wing of the GOP has a death grip on the party and they appear to be willing to ride the Elephant to death.

    I no longer believe that the GOP can be “fixed from within.” I don’t mind your trying but I won’t join your effort as I think it is fruitless.

    If true conservatives move to a new party it won’t fracture them but rather concentrate them in the new party.

    I think the GOP is now nothing more than “Democrat-Lite” and there is no reason to think it will change for the better. They don’t want to and in fact want to continue to adopt and pursue Democrat policies.

    On August 20th, 2008 at 11:58 am, Morgan said:
    Sure, WarEagle82, and while Democrats take advantage of the disintegrating party, we’ll end up in worse shape as a nation. What’s worse, their being blind to the dangers of Islamic terrorism will open the door for more opportunities at another 9/11. I refuse to accept that.

    You want to know what we should do? Get involved in the Republican Party. Work towards reforming it from the inside, and don’t quit simply because everything looks bleak.

    Looking elsewhere isn’t going to achieve anything except further fracture the conservative base and strengthen the Democrats in the short term. We shouldn’t be expecting the fall of the GOP or waiting for it. Our nation is at stake here.

  54. #154
    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, Ginger said:

    Look - I think McCain is the pits, but he’s better than Obama - at least he understands the world and can see the defference between the good guys and the bad guys when it comes to terrorism.
    I just want someone whose fiscally conservative - McCain isn’t really, but he better than the socialist tax’n’spender on the other side.

  55. #155
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, atheling said:

    mattymatt:

    Throwing your vote away is your perogative. Voting for Marilyn Manson is pure juvenile idiocy. I’d rather have Obama than him/it.

  56. #156
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Yashmak said:

    I could not agree with you more. I have said, not voting is a wasted vote. I beleive a write in is a wasted vote. IMHO, the best action for those of us who just can’t hold our nose and vote for mcamensty, is to band together and vote for a 3rd party conservative. A decent showing (albeit no win chance) would send a strong message taht the GOP can no longer take the conservative base for granted. I happen to like Chuck Baldwin so he is my choice. Barr is a good candidate on immigraiton (though not as strong as Baldwin) but the true libertarians are open borders and their lassiez faire attitude goes too far. However, if the disenchanted conservatives said we shoudl vote for Barr to send the message, then i would do it. There is power in numbers.

  57. #157
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, purplepeep said:

    WarEagle82 said:
    Morgan,

    Obviously, I disagree. Sometimes things do get worse before they get better. The RINO wing of the GOP has a death grip on the party and they appear to be willing to ride the Elephant to death.

    WE82, folks also tend to forget the Republican Party did not appear out of nowhere or in a vacuum. As the Whig Party became increasingly irrelevant, with even Abraham Lincoln cutting bait, the GOP came into being in 1854. In 1860, it took the Presidency. It’s an American political reality that when a party deserts it’s people, the people very usually return the favor in kind.

  58. #158
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, atheling said:
    mattymatt:

    Throwing your vote away is your perogative. Voting for Marilyn Manson is pure juvenile idiocy. I’d rather have Obama than him/it.

    If you actually knew anything about the guy, you’d know that his whole shtick is the promotion of people as individuals, one of the bedrocks of conservative philosophy. Look up his appearances on Bill Maher, Bill O’Reilly etc. You may not like his music, but he’s much more of a thinker than many angry middle-aged parents realize.

    Don’t go throwing around words like “juvenile idiocy” just becaue you’re ignorant. Your statement that you’d rather have Obama as President than Manson as VP just shows you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

    But you all can go ahead and vote for McCain, and perpetuate the cycle that has us continually voting for the lesser of two evils. And then give yourselves a nice, big pat on the back for sending America down the tubes in a go-kart instead of a nascar. We’ll still go down the tubes, we’ll just get there a lot slower. Good thinking.

    People have died so that we may be free to vote our conscience. If you want to piss that vote away on someone you don’t really believe in, thereby demeaning that sacrifice of so many through the ages, go right ahead. But don’t you dare look down your noses at the rest of us.

  59. #159
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, Sanddog said:

    With that logic, you must have bought into the false dichotomy put forth by the open borders nuts of, “the choice is to either deport 20M people or give them amnesty”. No, there is a 3rd choice of attrition. Just liek there is a 3rd choice in the election. Again, Warsaw Pact nations held elctions and gave you 2 choices. Difference here is we don’t have to vote for either of the 2 parties. You can sit there while the gop drifts further left, and follow them to the billary camp, or you can make a stand and say things will change in the future. You are thinking short term only. I would rather jump the train at 20mph than the inevitable 100mph.

  60. #160
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, DaveC said:

    screwed ‘08

  61. #161
    On August 20th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, atheling said:

    Right, mattymatt. Marilyn Manson is someone we all aspire to.

  62. #162
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:07 pm, ahraley said:

    What about Condi?

  63. #163
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, love2rumba said:

    If McCain were to pick Lieberman, it would be proof positive that McCain is a Democrat, and that Republicans (particularly conservatives) were in fact robbed of any participation in this years election, in which case there would be near-zero difference between the two sides, and i am not interesed in mining for crumbs.

  64. #164
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, Yashmak said:

    Right, mattymatt. Marilyn Manson is someone we all aspire to.

    - aethling

    ROFL

  65. #165
    On August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm, Solo said:

    I could not agree with you more. I have said, not voting is a wasted vote. I beleive a write in is a wasted vote. IMHO, the best action for those of us who just can’t hold our nose and vote for mcamensty, is to band together and vote for a 3rd party conservative. A decent showing (albeit no win chance) would send a strong message taht the GOP can no longer take the conservative base for granted.

    I’m with ya’ WC.

    Anybody else?

  66. #166
    On August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, Wellsy said:

    I like Joe Lieberman, but I agree, the place for him is not as VP. If McCain picks him, it will instantly halt, if not reverse, the growing support he’s enjoying after Saddleback. I don’t think he’ll do it, nor do I think he’ll pick a pro-choice candidate, although if he proves me wrong, he’ll be crippling his campaign. And though he is most definitely not the most reliable conservative, he is at least a smart enough campaigner to recognize the damage this would cause. We’ll see, though; the talk is that he’s going to announce in my hometown of Dayton, OH a week from Friday.

  67. #167
    On August 20th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, PCWilliams said:

    I voted yes, but i’ll need a nose plug, a dozen showers and some lysol spray to get the dirty feeling off me afterwards.

  68. #168
    On August 20th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, irving said:

    The Lieberman portion of the proposed ticket had no influence on my vote for “we’re screwed.”

    We need a Constitutional Amendment requiring “None of the above” as one of the candidates. When NOTA wins, the current president stays in office until a new election can be held - in which none of the candidates who lost to NOTA is permitted to run.

  69. #169
    On August 20th, 2008 at 7:38 pm, DannoJyd said:

    Take this for what it is worth. I would have an easier time voting for Lieberman than I would for Juan McAmnesty. If you are truly a conservative then you understand why.

  70. #170
    On August 20th, 2008 at 8:50 pm, l-ville_conservative said:

    I understand that Obama is bad and might possibly bring the destruction of the United States of America, and I also understand that Lieberman has a conservative position on the War on Terror, but at some point I can’t just vote against Obama. I need something to vote for. As some have said before…it might take another Jimma Cahta before we get another Reagan…If he picks Lieberman,we’re more than screwed ‘08.

  71. #171
    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm, stoptheinvasion said:

    I don’t give a rat’s ass who Juan McVain “chooses” as his partner in the devastation of our country, our country will still be devastated and I would NEVER vote for that scumbag. not in a million freaking years. screw him and his lying amnesty mexican bootlicking treason.

    I’d rather eat dirt.

  72. #172
    On August 21st, 2008 at 1:02 am, RetFireman said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm, stoptheinvasion said:

    You know, you really should not hold stuff in. It is not healthy. you gotta let it out man, go with that emotion. ;)

  73. #173
    On August 21st, 2008 at 1:41 am, Bill Grant said:

    On August 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm, stoptheinvasion said:

    I’d rather eat dirt.

    That will be just about what you can afford after obama gets done with your paycheck to fund a genuine open borders movement and 3rd world poverty relief.

  74. #174
    On August 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am, Yashmak said:

    Bill,
    I’ve really enjoyed your last few comments on this (on this, and other related topics). They’ve been spot on.

  75. #175
    On August 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm, Oh-nO said:

    If the uninformed knuckleheads of this great country vote for and elect BO (bad option), they will get what they deserve. Hopefully the rest of us can survive the storm. Lord Jesus, come quickly.

  76. #176
    On August 21st, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm, Oh-nO said:
    If the uninformed knuckleheads of this great country vote for and elect BO (bad option) or McAmensty, they will get what they deserve. Hopefully the rest of us can survive the storm. Lord Jesus, come quickly.

    There. I am sure that is what you really meant to say.

  77. #177
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 4:46 pm, Dianah111 said:

    Picking a liberal democrat would definitely make me re-think my vote. Right now I am having a hard enough time voting for McCain so I hope he doesn’t make it any harder by picking a pro-choice, liberal to run with him. But then again I would vote for Donald Duck to keep Obama out of the White House.

  78. #178
    On August 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 pm, Kathy Shae said:

    I might vote for Obama just to get the Congressional Republicans’ backbones up. They have a tough time going against one of their own.

    I can’t stand Lieberman: his nastiness when addressing people’s concerns about illegal aliens infuriates me. He also gets very high NEA ratings, which is the most powerful impediment to cleaning up our uber messed up schools [I know--I left programming to teach for a few years; the biggest problem is the education structure (or "culture"), reinforced by the teachers, & principals rather than the parents or kids]. We need Vouchers and Competition!

    Here’s Lieberman’s record on illegals:

    Rated 0% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

    Make sure immigrants are treated fairly. (Jan 2004)
    Unacceptable to allow Mexicans to die trying to immigrate. (Sep 2003)
    Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared “sanctuary cities”. (Mar 2008)
    Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007) [McCain-Kennedy]
    Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
    Voted NO on eliminating the “Y” nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
    Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
    Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
    Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
    Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
    Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
    Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
    Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
    Sponsored comprehensive immigration reform, without amnesty. (May 2005)
    Pay fair prevailing wage to guest workers. (May 2006)
    Provide funding for social services for noncitizens. (May 2006)

  79. #179
    On August 25th, 2008 at 11:06 pm, joromima said:

    purplepeep #22 said:And I think folks can pretty easily say, “good point!” , “that’s goofy!’ or whatever in reaction to a blog post or a comment. I’m old fashioned enough to think if someone’s so mentally lazy that they can only click a “rating” then they’re probably out of their league intellectually.

    Little Ma said:
    I think it’s a bit presumptuous to suggest changes to MM’s format.

    Michelle made a major change to her blog format a little over a year ago - she did not have categories on it - I along with probably some others - suggested that she have categories - like most blogs have - and it happened.

    A lot of major blogs use a 1 to 5 star rating system for comments. This proves useful - because when you need to review a commentor’s behavior (believe me - it’s done) a consistent number of low ratings for a commentor’s comments - can be cause to cancel their privelidges. It would certainly help on this blog - because apparently some people think this is their own little chat room.

    In other words - a comment may receive ratings from 50 people for an average rating of 3 stars. Also - a report this comment - check box - is often supplied by the rating. If this is checked - this almost immediately alerts the webmaster to review the comment - and if needed -delete it - as well as - revoke (if needed) the rights of the commentor - and if necessary - report the commentor to the authorities. In today’s cyberworld - it’s simply smart to have this capability on any blog.

    As far as the intellectulism purplepeep
    refers to - spare me please.

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