Abu Ghraib-i-fying America’s schools
My second syndicated column of the week takes a break from the campaign trail to expose a joint effort by the ACLU and Human Rights Watch to Abu-Ghraib-i-fy America’s schools. You won’t be surprised to learn who’s behind the report, which is here.
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Abu Ghraib-i-fying America’s schools
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008
The Citizens of the World who hate America are going to love the latest agitprop released this week by Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union. In a document titled “A Violent Education: Corporal Punishment of Children in US Public Schools,” the left-wing groups seek to paint a horrifying portrait of the nation’s classrooms as Abu Ghraib-like torture chambers. The report compiles sob stories of students humiliated after being disciplined by school officials for unruliness and claims that minority students are being “disproportionately targeted” for punishment. Citing international law and threatening lawsuits, Human Rights Watch and the ACLU are demanding that the White House and Congress ban physical discipline in all public schools. (Only 13 states still allow corporal punishment.)
The report says “more than 200,000 US public school students were punished by beatings during the 2006-2007 school year,” but makes no distinctions between “beatings” that take the form of mere knuckle-rapping versus swats on the backside versus over-the-line violent confrontations. In several of the anecdotes cited in the paper, it wasn’t bruised bottoms that upset the supposedly brutalized students. It was their bruised egos. “Peter S., a middle school student in the Mississippi Delta,” whined to the researchers: “The other kids were watching and laughing. It made me want to fight them. When you get a paddling and you see everyone laugh at you, it make you mad and you want to do something about it.” How about ending your bad behavior and flying right?
Of course, educators must use common sense when punishing bad apples. Of course, they should be held accountable if they cause undue harm. But the agenda of these outfits is not to ensure the safety of everyone in the classroom. Their agenda is to demonize unapologetic enforcers of order and to impose international dictates on American public institutions. The main author of the report is a special fellow with the Open Society Institute, funded by George (America must be “de-Nazified”) Soros. Replete with references to the Convention against Torture and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the report declares in sweeping terms: “All corporal punishment, whether or not it causes significant physical injury, represents a violation of each student’s rights to physical integrity and human dignity. It is degrading and humiliating, damaging the student’s self-esteem and making him or her feel helpless.” It’s Gitmo all over again.
As usual, the Human Rights Watch/ACLU activists inject claims of racial discrimination into the mix — repeatedly underscoring that many of the remaining states that allow corporal punishment are in the South. They infer deliberate targeting of black students based on statistics that reportedly show that “in the 13 southern states where corporal punishment is most prevalent, African-American students are punished at 1.4 times the rate that would be expected given their numbers in the student population, and African-American girls are 2.1 times more likely to be paddled than might be expected.” But minority disproportionality does not automatically equal discrimination. What they don’t tell you are the races or ethnicities of the victims of the thugs getting disciplined. What they don’t bother to mention — because it doesn’t fit the America-as-torturer-of-minorities narrative — is the unmitigated violence being perpetrated in American classrooms against minority teachers.
The recent videotaped beating of black Baltimore teacher Jolita Berry by a black female student — as other black students cheered and screamed “Hit her!” — exposed the continuing chaos in inner-city districts. In that school system alone, 112 students were expelled for assaults on staff members this school year. Federal education statistics show that between 1996 and 2000, 599,000 violent crimes against teachers at school were reported. On average, the feds say, in each year from 1996 to 2000, about 28 out of every 1,000 teachers were the victims of violent crime at school, and 3 out of every 1,000 were victims of serious violent crime (i.e., rape, sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault). Violence against teachers is higher at urban schools.
America’s problem isn’t that we’re too tough and cruel in the classroom. It’s that we’ve grown too soft and coddly, too ashamed and too cowed to assert authority and take unilateral action to guarantee a secure environment. Exactly where the human rights groups want us.
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Of course, they trot out that tired old pony, how racist the South is. Give it a rest, already. That old South is long gone, dead and buried. Is their still prejudice in the South? Sure. Is their still prejudice in the North? Yes. Europe? Yes. Inside the ACLU? Probably. Anywhere there is a large group of people you will find it. But they are inferring that the poor little darling minority children in the South are not hanging by their necks only by the grace of God.
Very informative article, Michelle. I’ll have to pass it along to some friends who are teachers.
This is what liberal philosophy in the classroom and at home have brought us. Everyone is too afraid to discipline our kids for fear of lawsuits. As a result, kids don’t get educated and teachers get beaten. I’d love to see one of these self-righteous libs try to teach for one week at an inner city school.
Hey guitar, I would love to see that too, but I don’t believe they will put themselves in any jeopardy. That’s not what they do. They just make it impossible for others to do their job. Then they slither away to cause mischief somewhere else.
Isn’t time to deport that man above? I mean really, he is wanted in France isn’t he? Can’t we do a prisoner exchange, they can give us Johnny Depp back
B-cat, it’s like them fighting against gun ownership while walking around with armed security.
In the Baltimore City schools, one the administrators complains that the schools need more money (ie raise taxes) all the while she is driven around in a chauffer-driven Lincoln Towncar. Yeah, I’d love to see where all the taxes they get now are spent.
I went to school in the North and the standard punishment was the mind-numbing practice of detention. We were not allowed to use that time to do homework, we just had to sit there in silence for up to 2 hours. Swatting my backside 10 times would have taken about a minute and then the punishment would have been over. Yeah it would have hurt, but at least the school wouldn’t have wasted 2 hours of my life.
Isn’t there a missing correlation between the number of black children disciplined, and the number of blacks who commit crime in the general population? The ACLU, et al tried at one point to make that case – the the criminal justice system was racist, only for people to be mugged (literally) by the reality that blacks do commit crimes as staggering rates. We can talk all day about why that is (my answer: welfare), but it doesn’t change the reality.
But, I guess in a world view where you can invent your own reality, and subsequently make policy based on that adopted reality, facts really don’t matter.
bloghooligan, if the facts don’t prop up their little pet theory, they will make up their own “facts”, backed with some bogus studies. They have in fact invented their own reality, but we all have to live in it.
Well as blacks comprise 40 % of national prison population but just 12 % of general population * shrug * They have to start somewhere …any surprise its school
Here’s what will stop them. The next time a teacher gets assaulted, have the teacher sue the ACLU and gorge soooras.
“the left-wing groups seek to paint a horrifying portrait of the nation’s classrooms as Abu Ghraib-like torture chambers.”
Pretty hard to disagree, and really, it’s not something they need to “seek”. After all, they are government schools. It’s not education; it’s indoctrination. Too many people willingly give over their most precious asset to the government.
Here we go again!!!!!!!!
This is a states rights and parental rights issue. Someone should have punished these jokers when they were in school.
Public School- indoctrinating the youth to be mindless drones in a consequence free utopia.
You got that right. I know a lot of teachers won’t stay in the profession because they can’t discipline the kids. The threat of the paddle when I was in school was enough to keep most of us in line. And when someone was paddled, it was because they deserved it. Everyone knew it. Everyone talked about it. The emotional stress was what was supposed to keep kids straight. . . the point of the punishment was to get their behavior in line.
I don’t understand why the teacher’s union hasn’t stood up for corporal punishment in the classroom. I guess since it doesn’t have to do with teachers getting more taxpayer dollars, they don’t really care. But it is scary for teachers in classrooms these days. They aren’t paid enough money to put up with the harassment that wouldn’t be tolerated in any other profession.
I don’t think teachers should use corporal punishment on students. They should be able to send them out of the classroom immediately so as not to take time away from those who are there to learn. Parents and children need to be reminded that an education is a privelege, not a right.
As John Wayne said: “Life is hard. Its harder when you’re stupid.”
On August 22nd, 2008 at 7:19 am, b-cat said: “Of course, they trot out that tired old pony, how racist the South is. Give it a rest, already. That old South is long gone, dead and buried”.
Uh, B-cat I beg to differ. My family, a minority family, lived in B-ham, AL for a few years (1995 to 2000). The “Old South” is alive and well and I experienced racism there that I never experienced in the North. My son also experienced racism in the school that he never experienced anywhere else. I’m not whining about it, its just a fact based on experience.
As far as this article, I believe as you that the deep seeded problems in our classrooms go beyond race…but I don’t discount race either.
I’d also be curious to know the race of the punishers in these places where minorities are disproportionately receiving corporal punishment. Are the teachers/principals swinging the paddles white? Or non-white? Looks like that piece of data was also conviently left out.
I agree with you here. The problem is rooted in our culture. Teachers are just looked on as overpaid babysitters by so many people. If they’re not given the respect they deserve from adults in our society, whey should the kids be any different.
As I began to read, I wondered if these clowns would even broach this subject. OF course our intrepid hostess would have to do their work exposing what has become commonplace.
Is it any wonder that children survive guvment skoollin? And if these idgits who did this study would just spend some time in a guvment skool, they would see first hand the depravity of the
yutzfuture leaders of tomorroe!Exactly!
Wonder if this study helps Michelle O’s kids?
I this country at this time a teacher can be fired for getting raped and defending themselves. If john rapes the teacher, and the teacher leaves even one mark on john, The teacher gets fired and sued. The kids know this as well. With teachers having zero power, the kids do whatever they want. And then they same liberal idiots who have put this system in place wring thier hands and wonder why the american “educational” system is producing functionaly illterate graduates.
Taking away corporal punishment in the classroom at a time when there is NO discipline in many American schools just helps insure we turn our more undereducated kids who can’t compete in today’s world economy. It’s the fault of a relative few, but the innocent must pay to protect the guilty.
Nothing new.
The ultimate answer is dismantling the teachers unions and make schools compete for dollars. And yes, the unruly ones will get kicked out. But the ones there to learn will get a better education.
Interestingly, I think Marine Corps boot camp would make an excellent case study. Although there have been isolated cases of physical abuse (and those are dealt with harshly) the drill instructors have more effective ways of ensuring compliance. Peer pressure works best when applied correctly. Everyone is a volunteer and can quit, but quitting means failure and shame. before anyone thinks this too harsh I make two points : 1)although you can quit, the drill instructors and command staff try to encourage them to gut it out. 2) Life is not fair and people will fail. Why should they have the right to drag others down with them?
Bottom line for a good education and the Corps, you have to want to succeed and apply yourself.
While I agree this still is a problem in some areas, I also know that some minorities use thier race to thier advantage unjustly. I know because I have seen and experienced it.
I will defer to your experience, you had yours, I’ve had mine. Let me say though that except for a stint in Germany, I have lived my whole life in the south, all over the south. I attended school in Charlotte, NC in the early 70’s. That was desegregation for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school system (court ordered). I am telling you it is not the same now.
B-cat,
I won’t lower myself to grumbling and whining, or accept a victim role…its just been my experience. Nothing more to say.
If one loves children, then one will spank them when they are wrong.
Without intending to – they are making a case for supporting more homeschooling efforts. If this doesn’t push more folks closer to it then I don’t know what will. The mere thought of the ACLU and Soros having a say in how unruly children should be dealt with on school property places other children (your children) at risk.
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Besides, he who controls the children, controls the future.
I would have never believed that I would agree with Soros on anything, but I do on this. Since there are no official regulations on corporal punishment (how hard to swing, what type of paddle, etc.), the opportunity for abuse is great.
However, the school MUST be able to suspend or expel the student for bad behavior. One official warning, then a 3-day suspension, then a 5-day suspension, then full expulsion. Let the parents figure out where to get their little discipline problem educated.
I know, it’ll never happen.
Here in Fairfax Co., a techer even looks crosseyed at a student…. Of course that is an exaggeration, but you get the point.
That apply’s to everyone….so does this….
“fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life”
Dean Weber
“fat,drunk and stupid”
And here in Milwaukee, where I live and where the largest public school system has numerous problems, violence, and abysmally low graduation rates/test scores, any minority student who does well is “acting white.”
Education is not valued in many of the communities here; the “thug” life and entitlement are encouraged instead.
Sending kids out of the classroom accomplishes exactly what the misbehaving kids want – an ironclad excuse not to go to school.
I have no problem with corporal punishment, carefully applied, to keep the classrooms in order.
2 years ago I decided to make good use of some of my spare time as a substitute Math teacher in Wake County schools in North Carolina. I knew there was a shortage of Math teachers and I thought I could help.
It took me exactly one day to decided NEVER to step inside a public school again. The teacher gets no respect and it stems from the lack of respect the school and country have for the teachers themselves.
All one can do is baby sit the kids hoping nobody gets hurt. Thank goodness I have found a better use of my time.
I lived in the South and grew up in Chicago. I assure you racism was much worse in Chicago. Neighborhoods were either all white or all black, never mixed. If a black family moved into a white neighborhood the house would get burned down.
So blocks changed by “block busting”. Mayor Daley became quite rich by enforcing the tactic. First a realitor goes into the white neighborhood adjacent to a black neighborhood and offers low ball prices for the homes. Then the insurance companies cancel the insurances to these homes, then people get scared and sell the homes (not to black families but to the realtors) who then turn around and sell the homes to the black families.
I bet Obama has never mentioned block busting once.
My wife and I struggled over the decision to homeschool vs. send our kids to public school this year. Since we moved to a town in Texas with an excellent school system, we decided to take the chance. I told their teachers that they have my full permission to paddle if they got out of line, but to call when they did. Knowing my kids, they would fear the consequences of having to come home after a paddling more than the paddling itself. I send my kids to school learn to be a productive member of society, not to be babysat, and I’m in constant communication with ther teacher about her progress and conduct at school. I don’t consider myself unique or special, but if more parents would do the same, we wouldn’t be having the problems we are in the public school system.
Oh, and by the way, I’m a white caucasia. Guess I’m racist for ensuring my own children are disciplined should they need it. /sarc
keyboard gremlin strikes again.
caucasian was what I was trying to say.
Of course you are. Texas is in the south. /sarc
I’ve talked about this before but it needs repeating. The frontal lob of the brain is not fully developed until the ages between 15 to 20. The frontal lob is the part of the brain where the consequences of action are determined. These kids need constant correction in order to understand their boundaries of behavior. This applies to families and school. We are doing a disservice to these young people if we don’t.
When I was a kid, everyone feared THE PADDLE. Nobody really feared detention, yelling, or anything else. THE PADDLE kept order when all else failed. As soon as I heard that it was disappearing from schools, I felt total sympathy for disarmed teachers who were now at the mercy of out-of-control students.
I’m firmly convinced that the ACLU is getting orders directly from Satan.
The ACLU needs a big hot cup of S-T-F-U
Int he ’60’s and ’70’s, fear of getting a whack on the back of the hands with a ruler kept order in the classroom. No one was permanently scarred. But we did learn a lesson in discipline.
And Soro’s is old and sounds a little senile. He won’t be around forever. I see a drool cup in his future.
Lionheart, let me respond to the 3 or 5 day suspension suggestion. That may have worked when it brought shame (gasp!) on the child, & parents. However, getting out of school is a preferred goal, & many of the other students view this as cool. Parents often don’t care, & get angry when called to account by a school official. As to the overall disfavorable views expressed in this column about “government schools”, there are still plenty of great teachers busting their humps everyday to educate, & lots of smart students learning. My wife happens to be as dedicated now as when she began teaching 25 years ago, & many of her friends are the same. Here’s another problem: these dedicated teachers are the last well educated people we have in schools. When they retire, the quality of educators will drop liike a stone, & then education will really tank. The solution is to actually respect & demand quality education, & not an unearned “A” to satisfy the parents need to get little Johnny or Suzy into Harvard. Make being a teacher respectable again, pay them a decent salary,(is a six figure income really unresonable considering the contibution to society they can make?) & stop making schools a social programming hot house for every butt head idea that comes along. Get the admin out of the way, let teachers teach, demand the students learn & test them on high standards that mean something. Failure is OK & preferred to letting morons get a diploma they can’t read. If we want children to cultivate strong self-esteem, let them earn one by actually accomplishing something of value.
Not only have most states banned corporal punishment, the schools encourage the
dronesstudents to report if they have been spanked. This gives the kids all the power over the two main authorities in their lives, parents and teachers. Mom or Dad or Mrs. Johnson better not get out of line or little Jimmy will scream abuse.With no consequence to their actions, children never learn to control themselves, which is what separates children from adults. The school system is raising generations of grown up children who only answer to their peers.
My wife and I homeschool our kids and we have repeatedly told them that we are not raising children; we are raising young men and women. And, yes, we spank them when they break the rules. At twelve, my son is more mature, more responsible, motivated and better educated than the high schoolers who skateboard by our house everyday.
Mister P,
I grew up in Chicago too and completely agree with your assessment. But Southern racism felt deeper to me. I can’t explain it, it just did. More hate-filled maybe.
I’ll stop now so we don’t get off subject.
#41 kudafa
I can relate. I taught elementary age art class for two years. I only lasted that long because of the administrator’s dictitoral attitudes toward the teachers and the parent’s blatent hostility toward the arts. I was told by one parent (who’s kid a gave a “D” to) it doesn’t matter, this class is B**l S**t anyway. With that kind of attitude toward my calss coming from the home, why would I expect this kid to perform. I didn’t grade on skill, I graded on if the child followed instructions and completed the porject in time. The kid did neither, I should have flunked him. The father was angry becasue this hurt an 8 year olds GPA…Get real. A D in elementary school is not going to stop your kid from getting into Yale pinhead.
Mom or Dad or Mrs. Johnson better not get out of line or little Jimmy will scream abuse.
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Exactly, and if you are military, even reserve military or guard, this will get you kicked out thanks to the federal law that states that people convicted of family abuse can not even touch a gun. So jimmy can steal you blind, tear apart your house and beat the living crap out of you but if you leave one little mark on jimmy, you life is ruined forever. Believe me I know. I have a bi-polar daughter who knows this all too well. She needs a damn good spanking but I can’t because she will call abuse and I will go to jail.
I think it is ok to spank. It shows the kids that there are consquences for bad behavior. Now i do agree there are some kids that to get their attention all you have to do is talk to them but most kids now days ( due to parents not being parents) could use a good butt whooping. Most are disrepectful, rude, arrogant, and believe they are the one thing that matters in this world. Untill parents take more responsiblity for their childern and the kids themselves learn they must be responsible for their own actions i believe spanking is ok.
All children are North Koreans. Whatever tool you take off the table will encourage they’re escalation towards a nuclear showdown.
Adolf
HitlerSoros.Amen Michelle, excellent column.
You know maybe Human Rights Watch should spend more time focusing on Madrassas and China, and less time on pithy issues like this.
I don’t believe in corporal punnishment by the schools. I believe in out of school suspension and expulsion.
Too much time is spent on dicipline that should be spent on educating those willing to learn. Schools should not be set up as holding cells to keep criminal wannabes off the street. Put them back in the care of their parent and hold the parent responsible for their conduct until they are 18. By the way, for those who say we would just be setting them up for jail, they are already headed in that dirrection.
Schools need to spend more time and effort on the good students and less on the troublemakers.
Assuming for a moment that their statistics are accurate *cough*, the study was conducted in two states, yet purports to indicate the state of education in all 50 states (there is a map). Furthermore the study was conducted over an indefinite yet admittedly short (by them) time frame. Don’t you just love the ACLU?
How long is that? 2 months? 2 weeks?
Not true. Most of my relatives are teachers. My uncle has been a principle at several schools. This is an unsubstantiated opinion. And are you kidding… regulations on punishment? How about leaving it in the hands of those closest to the situation? If you can’t trust them to handle discipline, they shouldn’t be anywhere near the students to start with… let alone an acting principle. (And it was always the principle who handled the corporal punishment, not the teacher.)
And why would students care about suspension or expelling? You really think that’s a deterrent? In their world, it’s cool to get suspended/expelled. You’re giving them exactly what they want. Many parents of expelled students simply don’t care (which is partly a factor in how they got that way). I know this because of discussions with my relatives which span all different grades (teaching) and school systems.
Children shouldn’t be hit in schools. I know I must sound like a complete lunatic.
That is because African-Americans are given free reign to do whatever they please, raping and stealing other people’s things, then cry racism when they, in fact are “disproportionately” guilty of causing most of the disruptions in school. I know, I taught for 29 years in the public schools. Yet another lie by the liberals who do not want any standards and can not discriminate between good and bad behaviors.
My father taught shop in a rural school district for 35 years. After he retired I asked him why he had decided to teach shop. He had a degree in counseling and was certified to be a school administrator, a school counselor or to teach math and science. He explained to me that “in New York State there is a law againt corporal punishment. If a kid is out of control in a classroom you can’t touch him. However, there is no law against a controlled industrial accident. Once every four years a anvil falls on a kid’s foot. I have complete control of this room.”
In all of his years of teaching no student ever suffered a permanent injury.
Why would an academic wish to remain anonymous for conducting an academic report on the subject of academia?
And neither should the teachers. I’d rather have teacher keep his or her kids in line with a swat to the butt than to see what our schools have have deteriorated into. It’s a disgrace to see kids beating up their teachers and getting away with it.
dominigan – I don’t care if expulsion is what the “student” wants. It should not be about these troublemakers. Get them out of school and away from the good students and put them back in the responsibility of their parents until they can behave themselves.
Perhaps being without their friends and the social activities of the school will be harder on them than you think.
You assume the parents will take responsibility to correct the kids.
I bet the thirteen states that allow corporal punishment have a lower crime rate than the remaining 37 states that don’t.
I started school in 1947 in Reno, Nevada. The principal (Mrs. Dominguez, age 70?) kept a heavy leather razor strop hanging on a nail over her desk. When a student caused problems in class the teacher wrote a note about the problem and sent the kid / note to her office.
She took the note, asked the kid about the problem, and checked her infamous “little black book” for the student’s former problems. If there were none she said, “Good thing your name wasn’t in this book–look what will happen next time you come in!” She hit her desk hard with the belt and made it jump up off the floor. Then she wrote the kid’s name in the book. Repeat visits got 3, 4, or 5 hard swats on the covered rear end–depending on the offense.
Sometimes a dull day would be interrupted by “Pow!” and “Ouch!” from her office–heard all over the little school. Only a few dummies went back more than twice.
The student was sent home with a note each time–the parent had to contact Mrs. Dominguez and straighten out the problem–GOOD PARENTS provided a few swats or other proper punishment at home.
When my kids were in school in El Paso, Texas I would get calls from the school about bad behavior. Teachers would ask to spank my kids–I told them I would do this at home each time they called me–and did so.
My grandkids rarely get spanked at home–they get “timeouts” in the corner instead. This does not seem to work as well as swats. Things change–but in some way PARENTS MUST GET CONTROL OF KIDS AT AN EARLY AGE–without child abuse or denigration.
You have to be the parent–you can’t be the friend if you want to raise good kids.
John Bibb
My bad. 4 weeks. wow, a whole month!
There is a herd of 30 deer outside my window now as I type. The new born get their butts kicked all the time.
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are the main reason you know about human rights abuses in places like China, Burma, Iran, etc.
and claims that minority students are being “disproportionately targeted” for punishment.
It appears that this is part of the continuing assault upon our American society. Undermine discipline,tradition,values,pride and purpose and we don’t have to sufffer an attack from outside for us to cease to exist.
Wow rocketman, You must have turned out to be soicialpathic killer/sarc
Second graders would not exagerate? Two hours’ pain from 3 swats? Presented here as gospel. And why is Mississippi Delta relevant? Would that make it worse than New York? I ask because Mississippi Delta is a vague locale.
guitarplayer – I don’t care if the parents want the responsibility or not – it’s theirs. It is not the schools job. Minor, infrequent infractions, sure; but not the repeat, disruptive time consuming ones.
US Department of Education
Institute of Educational Sciences
That’s the updated number.
And weak-kneed responses from liberal Democrats like B. Hussein Obama are why such atrocities occur unimpeded, despite knowledge of their existence.
guitarplayer said:
Of course they shouldn’t. My point was in reference to the discipline of children, not against teachers defending themselves.
Oops! #69 posted in retort to #63.
Hey lgm Keep your international watchdogs out of MY country.
wrcnossen. Exactly. If certain people do not want any restraint, then those disruptors, rapists and thieves should be expelled from school. Then those students who want to learn can.
For those expelled (and that means from all schools in that school district as well as a report to states), there are alternative schools and night schools so the poor, innocents “children” (actually gang members) can “get their education”
Dallas radio host, John-David Wells, interviewed a lady from HRW last night about this same subject.
What I found amusing was that a caller asked if she had any children of her own. Her response, “I haven’t been blessed with children of my own.”
I imagine most of the idiots behind this propaganda are like her.
You know if we can’t find a way to actually do something about all this stuff….including large numbers of uneducated violent kids coming out of our schools…at some point at some time in the future…life as we know it in the USA….will not be sustainable….the wheels will come off the wagon, so to speak. Recognize history or repeat it…The USSR was contented in the knowledge that it had a future of 1,000 years and more up until the day…the wheels came off the wagon
I went to public schools in the South – not in suburbs, but actually in the city. During middle school, I took the bus to my inner city school.
The first 2 years, I was the only white boy on an all black bus. I was harassed, insulted (with racist names), shoved around, threatened, etc. every single day. I didn’t ever respond, because it was made clear to me that if I dared shove back, the entire bus would jump me.
The last year of middle school, they changed the bus routes, and I ended up on a predominantly white bus with only 1-2 black kids. I never once heard a racist insult or threat thrown their way. And yes, I was paying attention, just because I was curious if the white kids would treat black kids the same way. They didn’t.
The reason why the disparity between the behavior of white and black children is obvious – it isn’t a matter of race, it is a matter of culture. In the black culture here in America, you have the complete break down of black families.
In my experience, in a large, Southern city, it was actually rare to meet a black kid that had both biological parents in a stable home. And it wasn’t because I didn’t know many blacks or other minorities. Usually, being white, I was the minority.
Exactly!
I do not spank my children in anger. We talk about what they did and they understand that I am going to spank them so that they will remember that wrong behavior and actions cause them pain. If they associate wrong actions (sin) with pain, then they have a better chance of controlling themselves when they are tempted again. We always include instruction with correction and conclude with forgiveness.
Our parents grew up in Christian America, we grew up in Post-Christian America and our children are growing up in Anti-Christian America.
I am so over these sniveling sissies trying to tell me how to raise my kids. Public schools in my state don’t allow corporal punishment, but if one did, I’d drive across the state to place my kids there.
Someone should tell these dipsticks to pick up a UK paper if they’d like to see what you get when you coddle misbehaving brats instead of disciplining them. England’s young generation is completely ruined.
This kind of thing points out two underlying bigger truths.
1. Public schools ARE part of the over all strategy for folks like Soros to impact policy and the socialist bent he is trying to acommplish.
2. Home schooling and charter schools are a great way to go and will both increase AND be a target of more attacks.
That’s quite true, and kudos to them for their work.
But, methinks they may be trying to see a problem now where there is none.
This report should be called, “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, Vol II”.
Who actually BELIEVES this stuff anymore??
This is from an earlier blog of Michelle
According to the left, bad behavior should not be punished but rewarded. Fly right for your life, expect to be taxed and regulated out of existance. Drop out of school, commit crimes and have children you can not afford and ignore; expect a free ride for life.
What we have here is an example of the broken clock being right.
For me the line is simple. Of any punishment ask this: “If the parent did it to the teacher could he or she be charged with assault?” If the answer is “yes” then the teacher has no business doing it to a student.
Corporal punsishment isn’t going to help that. Those “children” are the products of homes that are so badly dysfunctional paddling them at school isn’t going to be able to counteract it. In cases like that of course a teacher has the same right of self-defense that anyone has, and the police also need to be involved. That’s beyond the scope of corporal punishment, though.
My parents managed to raise a decent, honorable, law-abiding, tax-paying citizen without hitting me. I sincerely doubt I’m the only one. Sparing the rod does not spoil the child.
Good Lord – don’t these Marxists have real problems they can be working on? I remember getting a paddle in 8th grade and it hurt like He!! but was quickly forgotten. If any of todays’s students feel bad long term it’s because we’re training them to.
And banning corporal punishment is something that is outside the Constitutional authority of the Federal government.
Lgm
I knew about Burma’s problems long before international groups pointed it out. Its call E-MAIL. My friend in Burma is now dead. What did your groups do for him?
40 years of doing things the Liberal way and where are we now? Chaos.
I have heard about abuses in those countries long before I heard it from Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International. If you are going to mention these organizations please do it in the context of what have they accomplished in China, Burma, etc… Have they had an affect on Chinese policies? Most international organizations are completely impotent. So please, once again, tell me lgm, what have they accomplished in the countries you have listed?
Is this any better? In the outside world, someone who causes pain dispassionately is worse than someone who does it out of anger; it shows a lack of empathy towards other human beings. It’s why we think of premeditated murder as worse than killing in the heat of passion.
There are a lot of issues being misex up in this one post. The idea that this disproportionately targets minorities for no reason is probably nonsense, and certainly teachers should be allowed to hit kids in self-defense, but neither of these has much to do with corporal punishment.
By all means lets introduce the European model for disciplining our school children. It has been so successful over there that there is hardly ever any outbreaks of bad behavior by their children. If an occurrance does happen, you can be sure that the perpetrator was influenced by Bush, Cheney or Rove (even in Europe!) and is not responsible for their own actions. Hey, let’s open the American voting process to the world and let George Soros and Barack Hussein Obama lead us into a thousand years of peace and prosperity. Dang, I feel almost as giddy as Chris Matthews!
These ba$tard$ make me sick.
Don’t you think there’s some middle ground between “no discipline” and “give teachers license to assault your children”?
My entire education was in Catholic schools. And not just any Catholics… Jesuits. Corporal punishment was never used, but those schools are among the most orderly places on the planet.
James Felix said:
I don’t think that passage is about paddling vs. not paddling, but parents who discipline their child vs. parents who don’t.
I have never spanked my child (yet), but I am very strict when it comes to misconduct, and she is very well behaved. I do not spank, but I don’t have a problem with those that do. The important thing is that you discipline your children for doing wrong, and there are many ways to accomplish the same thing.
What I can’t stand are parents that never punish their children for doing wrong.
Trollman. Thank you for telling The Truth. The conclusion should be obvious to even the most ignorant.
That should close any doubt about who is racist.
We have become to interested in SELF ESTEEM and EGOs, when we should be more involved in DISCIPLINE and EDUCATION… I fear that if we had a Pearl Harbor, or needed to perform in a Battle of the Bulge scenario we would be doomed with the YOUNGER GENERATION we have spawned… To bad they do not know the HISTORY of this great COUNTRY, and that they are indeed blessed to LIVE here…
Hey lgm, where are you? we won’t bite. Too hard.
There have always been those who can/will abuse their authority. Let’s punish those who abuse their power and let the rest keep our children in line. I have neve been an advocate of disregarding an entire premise due to abuse by a few. Please understand this: the Soros’ of the world do not understand compromise as we know it. Their idea of middle ground is that we move toward their position while they do not give much, if any, ground.
I grew up in a era where school discipline was a dual-edged sword. If you got it at school it would be repeated, and then some, at home. My folks were very firm, yet fair, regarding discipline and it was always tempered by love. I got my butt beat when it needed it. It did not damage my psyche one bit. (at least in my mind!) I think I turned out turned out pretty darn good. I am educated and am a productive taxpayer who raised two beautiful kids who are doing well. Yes, they got their butts whipped when necessary. They are now young adults haivng finished their own educations’ and are making their own way in life without my assistance. We had our share of rough spots and heartache to work through. Including financial worries. We were not born with any spoon in our mouth, let alone a silver one. Everything gained has been earned.
By the way, one of those kids of mine is a school teacher.
Where are these human rights groups when it comes to real abuses of children in places like India or China? What about the starving children in North Korea? I guess all of that is small potatoes when it comes to the handful of paddling incidents of the U.S. of A.!
Mark my words, folks. This isn’t just about ending any kind of discipline in school. The “human rights” and “civil rights” groups want to criminalize punishment at home too. Already there have been attempts in state legistlatures to make spanking illegal. They want a world where you have no control over your child so that they can control your child instead.