Pretty good. however, you must remember that back in the 70’s chalkboard erasers were not what they are today. They had that chunk of wood that was the backing of it, and at about 50 m.p.h., it left a mighty big knot on the back of the `ol grape.

I guess you didn’t tour every classroom in the 60′s and 70′s. I attended Catholic parochial school in the late 60′s and early 70′s and our erasers did not have that wooden piece. They were made of pure felted wool, with a paper label sewn on top. They were completely soft.

I actually felt shame for when I did wrong. Having to see the principal was a disgraceful thing…

GOOD!!!! THAT’S THE BLOODY POINT, YOU IMBICILE!!!!!

Could someone tell me whatelse you are supposed to feel when you have done wrong and are on your way to meet your punishment? Oh, there is one thing this buffoon should be feeling, and it is the very thing that these kids lack, and the reason that the misbehaviour and the foulness and violence is so freaking prevalent in schools today.

REMORSE!!!!

Notice how he and the others never once said they felt remorseful in any way. The fact is, if they are sorry at all, it is only that they got caught and had to be punished, not because they ad done wrong and had hurt someone in the first place, either physically or emotionally.

With this report printing that statement of his, were they trying to elicit a response from us of us being and feeling sorry for him and the others? Well I for one, do not. In fact, they should keep it going and get these kids to realize they need to be remourseful for their actions, and that maybe, just maybe, if they could put theimselves in the other party’s shoes, they may keep from further punishments in the future.

Now, as for the person who stated that because Felix…and anyone else, I would imagine, who went 12 years Catholic or Private School such as myself, would not know anything or at the very least, know very little about how Public Schools run, I would tell you that you are wrong.

I may have gone 12 years, but my 4 children have all attended Public School, as well as I did have a 4 month stint in the 6th grade in a Public School and know all too well haw they operate.

Let me tell you, the 4 months i spent there were the most violent, loathesome time I could ever have had. I had begged my mother to let me go to a regular school, she allowed me and within the first few weeks I was BEGGING to be allowed to return to Catholic School. I had been jumped several times, had my life threatened with weapons, fists, etc., and been called various racist names. And yes, I did say this was only the 6th grade.

So actually, I would say that we, the ones who have attended Parochial School might just have a better understanding of the issue than you.

On August 22nd, 2008 at 11:00 am, Trollman said: #77

How can you even THINK of writing such lies. That could NEVER happen. Surely you are mistaken, and you are actually black and was on a WHITE bus where you were pushed, kicked, shoved and threatened and harrassed daily, put in your place and made to realize that if you ever fought back in the slightest, you would be jumped and probably lynched.

After all…we all know that such things as you describe would NEVER happen. Hate crimes such as you have stated only occurr to blacks and are perpetrated by whites.

Who would believe your story?

On August 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 am, lgm said:

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are the main reason you know about human rights abuses in places like China, Burma, Iran, etc.

Once again, troll-boy makes a presumptive statement without a single bit of evidence to back it up.

And again, the little poo-butt is wrong.

It seems every time I express the mildest disagreement with the majority here I’m obliged to point this out. I’m an NRA life member, navy veteran, pro-border security, anti-tax, anti-pork, pro-war and never voted for a Democrat in my life. I assure you, I’m not a liberal.

You gotta remember, with all the people that post here, sometimes it is hard to remember who the Libs are and who aren’t. I have been guilty of it as well, and just recently someone made the mistake of thinking I was a Lib…just made my stomach wretch thinking how anyone could even imagine it.

Gotta cut some slack here, not everyone posts as frequently as some, and thus mistakes will be made when a bit of a Lib thought comes out.

On August 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pm, Trollman said:

RetFireman said:

Pretty good. however, you must remember that back in the 70′s chalkboard erasers were not what they are today. They had that chunk of wood that was the backing of it, and at about 50 m.p.h., it left a mighty big knot on the back of the `ol grape.

There were, of course, the rulers across the knuckles, the kneeling on pencils, the holding of books in outstretched hands etc.

Anyone who went to Parochial school from the early 80′s on back can verify this…were they to have attended schools that were taught by nuns, and not the secular lay teachers they use today.

Let me tell you, it kept you in line really well, and for those that still needed to act out…well I believe it is called “Natural Selection”. Some folks are just too stupid and deserve all they get.

#78 said “Our parents grew up in Christian America, we grew up in Post-Christian America and our children are growing up in Anti-Christian America.”

I think this one statement sums it up completely! From how great America was to the spiraling anarchy we’re headed for. When the foundational building blocks are taken away….the building completely collapses to the ground.

But then again, in our town, a neighbor could whoop your rear if you were out of line – and your parents would thank them.

Maybe less spanking would have made me grow up a liberal? (props out to my boy lgm – word) But that wouldn’t explain why in lived in Berkeley either.

On August 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 pm, Jipc said:

I grew up in the same area, but I can tell you when I went to school there WAS corporal punishment, but not much. All it took, for the most part, was one or two disruptions and one or two swings of the paddle in front of the class at the beginning of the school year for everything to quiet down and education to begin. We still had fun, still laughed, still learned and life went on. Nobody brought a gun to school, let alone a knife bigger than a pocket knife.

Hear, hear! Exactly! If discipline is imposed swiftly and decisively they stop pushing the border. To take corporal punishment off the table for unformed children is a recipe for The Lord of the Flies. They become as animals.

I would like to see how many of today’s teachers either quit one school to go to another that has a more corporal punishment philosophy, retired early or just go to another profession.

My three children are all grown now, but I can’t tell you how disappointing it was when the governing bodies that decide such issues stated that there would be no more corporal punishment in Michigan schools.

Now they have “peer remediation” where a bullied child has to stand up to his bullier in front of other kids (with maybe a teacher or administrator or two) and discuss the situation. Do they really think that works? Now the bullied child is a “fink” and it’s open field day on him in the future.

We had three dedicated teachers leave (2 were “rumored” to have had nervous breakdowns) because there is NO recourse in the schools for misbehaving or disruptive students. In our school’s case it was mostly Arab boys not listening to female teachers and the administration looking the other way because to punish them would be considered prejudicial.

I grew up in the same area, but I can tell you when I went to school there WAS corporal punishment, but not much. All it took, for the most part, was one or two disruptions and one or two swings of the paddle in front of the class at the beginning of the school year for everything to quiet down and education to begin. We still had fun, still laughed, still learned and life went on. Nobody brought a gun to school, let alone a knife bigger than a pocket knife.

People HAVE to face facts!!! Our children are at school during the week about the same amount of time as they are home. IF they get any discipline at home shouldn’t they also get some amount of discipline at school? I would have happily signed a waiver for my children to be disciplined and the school knew my sentiments. When my son urinated on the middle school exterior wall on a dare on his last day of school (before summer break and high school the next year) was caught, he was made to help the janitor close down the school for the summer (scrubbing desks and floors as well as a certain exterior wall, I’m certain), I thought it was a just and creative punishment that fit the “crime”!

When I did volunteer work at my oldest daughter’s fourth grade class in Maryland, I expected to help students who needed additional instruction. Much to my dismay I was asked to “supervise” misbehaving students in a glorified storage room so that the rest of the class didn’t have to be disrupted because the probability was that the disruptive child was a minority and punishment would seem prejudicial. When I asked the teacher why the child wasn’t sent to the principal’s office, I was told “that wasn’t an option!” See, the community we lived in was a “progressively planned community” with all income brackets mixed in, including welfare recipients. Now, I have no problem with people struggling to get on their feet needing a little help (we were military and JUST above poverty level for a family of five, the ONLY thing that saved us was our housing allowance for the area that we lived in). The one thing that blew my mind was that the children I was “babysitting” said to me point blank that their mom or dad told them that they didn’t have to listen to the teacher or any other adult. I stayed with the 3rd grade class for 3 months, then left to volunteer with the kindergartners which was much less stressful, if you can imagine.

Much worse was the fact that we had just moved from England and MY children were placed with the “slower” children to tutor THEM while in second and third grade while we had begged and pleaded with the administration to move them a grade ahead. The administration told us it would be difficult for our children to adjust to the “older” age group and refused. As a result, our children became bored and disinterested because they had covered all the curriculum while in England for the next TWO grades.

After my oldest daughter graduated from high school, she wanted to go to college to become a high school teacher. I told her in no uncertain terms that she didn’t have the right frame of mind to become a high school level teacher (she couldn’t even handle it when she was in high school). Now, mind you, she had the talent and would have made a great teacher! But in this day and age and rules, she would have burnt out in two to three years because she is very bossy and head-strong. She would have been an exceptional teacher 20 years ago, but would never have been able to handle the disruptions and non-administration back-up that is going on today.

One last point, I fully lay the blame on Dr. Spock (no, not of Star Trek fame) and his no spank, no harsh words child-rearing technique. He even spoke of his error (and offered an apology) after HIS child committed suicide under his rearage. While I’m sorry for his loss, I can’t help but wonder how much damage his books and speeches have done to our children, schools and society in general. There is no kinder, gentler way to raise a child than to let them know that there WILL be consequences to their actions if they do something wrong. Standing in the corner is fine as long as they are not standing there plotting the next heinous act that they can perpetrate.

Our children in the U.S. are doomed if the “Powers That Be” don’t get their act together! Being kinder and gentler is only going to teach them that they can get away with anything until they graduate and the REAL world hits them. Employers are NOT kind or gentle. If you don’t get the work done or disrupt the workforce, you are OUT (unless you are a minority)!!! And that’s NOT prejudice, I’ve witnessed it!!!

I became homeschooled in Jr. High because of the abuse I endured from two different schools in my area. Want to know what I did to gain those punishments. I had health problems, yeah, that was my “unruly behavior”.

One of the teachers that pushed me to leave public shools also had a long history or throwing books and even desks at students. But, the lovely southern liberals around here thought it was a-okay.

Oh, and just to add, since it’s liberals pushing this thing as being in the south, and being full of racists. I’d say a good portion of those teachers are on their political side, every racist I’ve ever met in Arkansas is a democrat.

lgm is an idiot.

OK, maybe.

He is a good example of why spanking should be the law of the land.

I’m a boomer. As a kid we had prayer in public schools, segregation, and spanking at school and (for me) at home. Maybe more spanking would have made me grow up conservative?

Kids these days just need to deal with it and to quit having whiny parents that probably needed their rears busted back then too. Sorry, no sympathy here.

And while we’re at it, quit rubberizing their playgrounds and let them chip their teeth and breaks their arms just like all the rest of us did!!