It works well enough to see results of the Obamanation’s Administration!

I am going on what Obama has promised to do to the USA as well.

With McCain Ill concede that people have a lot more to ho on when they make predictions. Obama has a incredibly short, thoroughly unimpressive record in the senate.

“2) do you get up every morning and drop a hammer on your foot? Well, perhaps you take a big swig of drain cleaner?”

It’s the only way I can get my knee working and you haven’t tasted my coffee.

“My point is you yourself have said, (paraphrasing) those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. “

Hell of a job “Paraphrasing”. Even though I didn’t say that I agree with the premise so we can go with it nonetheless.

Why ignore McCain’s history?”

I am not. I have conceded that he is gong to take pushing and prodding, however, his history is that he actually does change course if his base demands it.

Bottom line:

Regarding McCain; the worst-case scenario is that is lying.

Regarding Obama; the worst-case scenario is that is telling the truth.

“Instead, let’s flood the RNC with emails, FAXes, telegrams, letters, packages of 2faced coins, and tell them to go to a brokered convention, or face throwing-over the Conservative vote.

No thank you. That would split the party in a meaningless temper tantrum that would just serve to elect Obama.

“So I can’t tell him to leave!”

At this point I am ready to tell you to be my guest.

Honestly Mike. It is McCain or Obama:

McCain is by no means perfect and will take vigilance and effort to keep him from doing something stupid and even then it might not be enough. OK? That is dead on honesty.

If you think Obama will make a fine president then you are entitled to vote for him. He is the antithesis of anything conservative. My crystal ball says that he is a dangerous, appeasing socialist who will permanently alter the fabric of the USA into something that is a shadow of what we once were.

At this point, I believe we can get though this rough patch and still salvage a country that values individualism, strength and integrity. (If we get off our asses.) If Obama gets elected he will tip the scales over to collectivism, appeasement and the selling out of our sovereignty. Don’t take my word on it. That is what he has pledged to do.

“After the convention, we’ll have no choice. Until then we do.”

It is a pipe dream, it wont work, it will end up getting you the opposite of what you are after.

“Then “D” are spending as much money on the Congressional races as in the Presidential. That’s different than what we’re doing, (as far as I know…), and different than the “D”s normal strategy. Their purpose is to cause the election of a filibuster-proof congress.”

They are flush with money because whenever someone brings up their nominee the democrats weep at how wonderful he is and shower the idiot with their welfare checks. Whenever someone brings up ours, our side beets “shamnisty” and wets their pants. If they get a filibuster proof majority it wont be because of their great ideas, it will be because they out worked us, out donated us and outsmarted us. Our side will have whined it’s way into rewarding authentic traitors and ensuring that we get more.

“Based on John McCain’s history and his actions in the current campaign, if the “D”s carry a veto/filibuster-proof Congress, whether the President is JM or OB makes absolutely no difference!”

So roll over and give up. You will have plenty of company on this blog.

“Even more upsetting, JM is so unreliable that if Congress is close, his history tells us that he’ll jump the fence to play “BMOC!“

Being the head of a co-equal branch of government is a whole lot different then being a senator. He wont have the incentives to compromise that he did.

“And worse, JM’s actions show he cares so little about the party”

Bull. So don’t vote for him, what do you want? Someone to hold your hand all the way to the election booth? You are going to have to make a decision here.

“nd having Conservatives come to the polls, that he steps on our collective face at almost every opportunity.

”
Again, stay at home and whine on the internet about your face stomping fantasies. Then run your flag up on the 4th of July and pat yourself on the back for being a good American while your inaction helped to usher in the downfall of the United States. I really don’t know what is expected of me here. Do you think I am going to join the general pity party? Or toss up my hands and give up on the USA because John McCain got the nod from daddy yankee?

“And, please don’t throw that red herring about “What, its all about your little feelings? “

It sure sounds like it.

“Grow/Man up! We have more important things involved here!”

I have been tiptoeing around saying that for ages but it is my exact sentiment: You are acting like a bunch of spoiled children because you can’t get everything you want the moment you want it and Iron clad guarantees that you wont have to get off the computer chair in order to make yourself herd. Yes, as you said, not me: “Grow/Man up!”

“Maybe you could let McCain know?”

Ill run it right by him.

“That is why I think that your assertion that “JM’s said he’ll do X, Y, Z… so let us adults talk,” is ill-considered to say the least.”

What do you want Mike? A personal pat on the head? An “atta boy”? Anything short of an engraved invitation doesn’t seem to cut it. Even if you got one it would only be for moments until you saw the next “Daddy Yankee” thread or shiny object.

If you need someone to hold your hand all the way to the voting booth so you wont have a temper tantrum then to hell with it; Stay home and help elect Obama. Just don’t kid yourself that you are doing it for conservative principles.

“I’ve exploded the myth of his LCU ranking.”

Good boy. You read the American Thinker article. They seem to have gotten their mind right since.

“he went Left like he had a rocket up his a$$!”

Nonsense.

“I have shown you with his own words where he thinks his party, when it is adhering to Constitutional Principles — as apposed to Socialist ones, is wrong.”

You haven’t shown me anything. Seriously, all this is news to me.

“ Twice that I know of he tried to switch parties.”

That is a lie. It isn’t good to repeat lies, people will think you are a liar.

“”I never met with Tom!”

Google search: “No results found for: I never met with Tom!I’ve never visited him a”” So if he didn’t say that please don’t use quotes or else people will think you are lying out of McCain derangement.

“he spat at the cameras. He repeated screeched that everytime. Everytime that is, until it turned out there was video and a paper trail of the meetings. Then it was a studdering “You misunderstood me! I never said I wasn’t there! I never had that conversation!””

You are sputtering. Your emotions have clearly taken over. If you want to have a tantrum be my guest. Just don’t expect me to take you seriously while you are doing it.

“I have provided data links.”

Where? For what?

“You respond, not with data and not by answering the arguments that that data represents, but with a weak: “We must stop Obummer!””

No. You have asked me for things I cannot provide, like an iron-clad guarantee of someone else’s actions in the future. I cannot do that. I suggest, which I suspect will be ignored, but I suggest that you try to set aside your emotional, visceral dislike for the man and try to figure out who will be better for the country. If you can do that I am sure there is only one reasoned conclusion.

“if you guys who say McCain was your last choice would put as much effort into talking the “R”s into exchanging him for a real “R” at the convention, I might find your protestations a little more credible.”

Who is this real “r” that is going to come riding up to save us? Some say Huckabee? Some think he is a bigoted clown with about an 85 IQ. Some say Romney, others hate him because he is a Mormon and have labeled him a RINO. Who? Fred Thompson? Ron Paul?

Like it or not McCain got the most votes in the republican convention. There is no legitimate alternative at this point. If you like someone else better, Oh well. I was for Romney. (The soft on Abortion, RINO from Massachusetts who had more wives then houses…remember? ) He lost. Fair and square. So did the scrawny squirrel popper, so did Wilford Brimleys understudy, so did the moonbat..

“BTW, you were saying previously Cap&Trade is DOA. I notice that the “R”s have added a Globalwarming Plank to the party.”

Lots of BS in there.

“Perhaps because McCain sees it as the next chance to “cross the isle” and show how big he is.”

Cooking up another future conspiracy, eh. Well perhaps you should vote for Obama. He wont cross the aisle. Ever.

“Go back and read some of my Dad’s posts about Cap&Trade.”

Any improvement on him?

“Don’t be ruled by fear!”

Please. Don’t be ruled by being needy. Paying you lip service is just that. If McCain tells you what you want to hear next week are you going to believe him any more then last?

Time to get off the fence Mike.

Dem: Obama rebuffed Daddy Yankee

There’s some amusement today about John McCain’s endorsement by the Puerto Rican performer Daddy Yankee, who has an assault charge and some some seriously racy lyrics.

There’s a bit more backstory, though. A Democratic Party source tells me a representative for Daddy Yankee approached Obama’s Latino outreach staffers earlier this year about possibly endorsing Obama.

But he didn’t pass the vetting, and Obama’s aides said they weren’t interested in his support. So, apparently, he moved over to McCain.

On August 27th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, martin.musculus(jr.) said:

Thank you sir. Very well said. History, I am afraid, will repeat itself with JM. I hope Bill’s angle is correct because I think no matter what, JM will win. Too many are starting to see BO for the socialist he is. I just get frustrated with the “you must vote for mccain” guys when everyday he gives conservatives the finger. Sometimes I blow my top with those that get nasty. Again, well said.

On August 26th, 2008 at 8:12 pm, Bill Grant said:

On August 26th, 2008 at 6:51 pm, Solo said:

My crystal ball broke so I can only go by what he has promised.

Bill, do you really mean that? It works well enough to see results of the Obamanation’s Administration!
(1) you sound suspiciously close to those who told me in during the primaries for GWB that just because he acted in a certain way in TX, since his promises were different in the national run, and they had no crystal ball, we could be sure GWB’d govern differently as President. That didn’t work out very well, save for a few noteworthy exceptions.
(2) do you get up every morning and drop a hammer on your foot? Well, perhaps you take a big swig of drain cleaner?

No? Well, why not? Do you have a crystal ball that tells you gravity is still working every morning? Or the H2SO4 in the drain cleaner is still caustic?

My point is you yourself have said, (paraphrasing) those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Why ignore McCain’s history?

Instead, let’s flood the RNC with emails, FAXes, telegrams, letters, packages of 2faced coins, and tell them to go to a brokered convention, or face throwing-over the Conservative vote. Tell them that a candidate who says, when confronted with the situation, if one of his empanelled henchman said “X” and he (JM) finds that it is true, he’ll tell the man to leave. 2 weeks later another person brings proof, that same candidate says “he doesn’t really work for me, he’s a volunteer. So I can’t tell him to leave!” is dishonest. We shouldn’t and we won’t accept that!

After the convention, we’ll have no choice. Until then we do.

Then “D” are spending as much money on the Congressional races as in the Presidential. That’s different than what we’re doing, (as far as I know…), and different than the “D”s normal strategy. Their purpose is to cause the election of a filibuster-proof congress. I think that our time & money would be better spent on the other races. The browbeating I see is going to push a lot of No-LOTEs to stay home, where they would go and vote in the other races.

Based on John McCain’s history and his actions in the current campaign, if the “D”s carry a veto/filibuster-proof Congress, whether the President is JM or OB makes absolutely no difference! Even more upsetting, JM is so unreliable that if Congress is close, his history tells us that he’ll jump the fence to play “BMOC! The Mighty McCain, the man so staesmanlike, he’s bigger than partisanship!”

And worse, JM’s actions show he cares so little about the party, and having Conservatives come to the polls, that he steps on our collective face at almost every opportunity.

And, please don’t throw that red herring about “What, its all about your little feelings? Grow/Man up! We have more important things involved here!”

Ok, I’ll agree that there are more important things than our feelings. Maybe you could let McCain know? He seems in the dark about that — unless by that you mean that Conservative’s feelings, 60% of the voting citizenry, don’t count for as much as Johnny’s showing off. And if you are objective, that btw, is what his actions say.

There are principles. I have shown you the numbers for the Citizenry. It would cost him NOTHING to be a little Conservative. And if he understood Conservatives, he’d realize that it is actions, not empty promises that tell us what a man will do. That is why I think that your assertion that “JM’s said he’ll do X, Y, Z… so let us adults talk,” is ill-considered to say the least.

I’ve exploded the myth of his LCU ranking. Which when broken down is anything but laudable, pretty much the lowest of the “R” with Presidential aspirations. I’ve asked you to graph it, which when you do shows that when his vote could have made a difference – after the Congressional upset during Clinton Admin, he went Left like he had a rocket up his a$$! His voting record had taken up residence across the isle until the prep. phase for the 2000 primaries started, when it started meandering toward Conservatism. The only brake on his actions seemed to be what he thought he could get away with and still run for the Presidency. So what that he voted with the herd when his vote was empty. One of a block of “R”s who’s vote could stop nothing… and it looked good. Somewhat like HS GPA, where the first 3yrs of classes are the easiest, but will pad your GPA so you can “D” most of the senior classes and your GPA still comes out pretty good.

I have shown you with his own words where he thinks his party, when it is adhering to Constitutional Principles — as apposed to Socialist ones, is wrong. It has “gone down the wrong road”, but the “D”s are a “fine party, and a fine philosophy and I see nothing wrong with it” to use his turn of phrase! Twice that I know of he tried to switch parties. Once was prior to Jumpin’ Jim, where he opined that his change of party would “re-balance” Congress. He didn’t because Jumpin’ stole his thunder. The 2nd instance he tried to talk the “D”s into making him the VP nomination. Then to add insult to injury, he started out lying about the incidents. He lied: “I never met with Tom! I’ve never visited him at…”, he spat at the cameras. He repeated screeched that everytime. Everytime that is, until it turned out there was video and a paper trail of the meetings. Then it was a studdering “You misunderstood me! I never said I wasn’t there! I never had that conversation!” So, what is more likely, considering human nature? You lie about a meeting when it is harmless, but tell about it when its not? “Hey, Honey! I had a meeting at a hotel across town last night with that rich chic… but don’t worry! I didn’t sleep with her!” then think to himself: “I better not mention meetings with Republican Caucusers where we were discussed the menu for the upcoming convention! She’ll flip!”
So, no, he’s not hungry for power at any cost, no, not really! Just if he can bloody Conservatives.

I have provided data links. I didn’t want you to come to the mistaken conclusion that I was an Obomination or a Clintonista. You respond, not with data and not by answering the arguments that that data represents, but with a weak: “We must stop Obummer!”

Ok, We agree on that. But if you guys who say McCain was your last choice would put as much effort into talking the “R”s into exchanging him for a real “R” at the convention, I might find your protestations a little more credible.

BTW, you were saying previously Cap&Trade is DOA. I notice that the “R”s have added a Globalwarming Plank to the party. Gee, with the majority of the citizens either sceptical or in disbelief of the whole Globalwarming religion, why would they do that? Perhaps because McCain sees it as the next chance to “cross the isle” and show how big he is. You know, to work with those “D”s — the Liberals — who want to freeze our economy. Seems Cap&Trade isn’t as dead as we thought, hmmm? Go back and read some of my Dad’s posts about Cap&Trade. They seem positively prophetic.

Don’t be ruled by fear! The very first thing they teach at SOS is to not make a decision from fear, because while flipping a coin is 50-50, the stats for fear-based ones is 65-35, and that 65% is on the bad side!

Lunch is over! See you later!

Mark my words, he will choose a middle of the road, at best, nominee.

He promised a conservative as opposed to a full on Trotskyite that his opponent has promised.

if I have to have him as POTUS I sure hope you are correct.

Me too. We have to get him in first.

In Scripture, it is often argued that offense is taken where none is meant. I think this is the case here.

I wasn’t offended pal. It just isn’t the best idea I ever had to be putting that out there. Thanks for your consideration though.

“You then accused me of some dastardly deed & making free w/your handle. “

You have to admit, you are pretty dastardly.

“You remind me of the Lou Grant character: someone who means well but won’t let facts intrude on his opinion once he’s decided a course of action”

You are very free to point out where my facts are wrong and point me in the right direction. Just make sure that your facts are the fact.

will take that bet. Seriously, that is what I am most confident about McCain on. He has promised to pick judges like Alito and Roberts. Obama has promised to pick judges like Souter and Ginsburg

Mark my words, he will choose a middle of the road, at best, nominee. He also said he “gets it” on amnesty, yet he is out there promising amensty again. Oh sure he mentions border security, but what has he done or supported to reach that end? Nothing. You put way too much faith in a politician. SCOTUS nominees is the carrot (and aobut he only one) he holds out there for conservatives). I don’t trust him or any carrer politician, but again, if I have to have him as POTUS I sure hope you are correct.

martin.musculus(jr.) said:
Hey Biiillllll! Bill Grraaannnntt!:

Man I wish I had thought up some pseudonym way back when

In Scripture, it is often argued that offense is taken where none is meant. I think this is the case here.

At the time I wrote the comment, I felt somewhat as a man in a crowd, trying to get your attention. We’ve been having a nice civil discussion, and I thought you mistook my point.

It was simply a way of portraying with the written word, a man standing in a huge room waving his arms yelling: “Biilllll, I’m over heerrreeee!” The multiple letters has long been a literary device to simulate calling out for someone’s notice. If I offended you with that, I’m very sorry.

While on the subject, (and I have 3 min before I have to leave for my meeting…) let me clear up a previous misuse of your handle.

In a previous comment on another thread I wrote: ” LouBill Grant. ”
You then accused me of some dastardly deed & making free w/your handle. I didn’t comment at the time, but I believe you confused me with another poster. Calling the use of substituting an illustrative, but actual 1st name, then striking it out and placing the correct 1st name following it isn’t re-writing a person’s name, but simulates a “slip of the tongue”. I found this out on one of the other boards as I was researching blogging to hold Dad’s place in political discussions.

Why “Lou Grant”? Well, I admit a mild insult. My daughter, growing up, was for a time addicted to the “Mary Tyler Moore Show”, w/only 1TV, we all watched it. You remind me of the Lou Grant character: someone who means well but won’t let facts intrude on his opinion once he’s decided a course of action. ;-p

Please note, this isn’t unkindly meant: he has some very good qualities, such as loyalty and perserverance.

Times up, I must start my meeting. See you later.

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C., May 6 — Highlighting an issue he plans to use aggressively in the general election campaign, Sen. John McCain on Tuesday decried “the common and systematic abuse of our federal courts by the people we entrust with judicial power” and pledged to nominate judges similar to the ones President Bush has placed on the bench.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee said that Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. “would serve as the model for my own nominees, if that responsibility falls to me,” highlighting the gap between Republicans and Democrats on the question of who should sit on the Supreme Court. Both justices have established strong conservative records since Bush appointed them, and the appointment of one more conservative to the nation’s highest court could tip the balance on issues such as abortion, discrimination, civil liberties and private property.

The two remaining Democratic candidates, Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), opposed the nominations of Roberts and Alito.
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“My nominees will understand that there are clear limits to the scope of judicial power, and clear limits to the scope of federal power,” McCain told a crowd of several hundred at Wake Forest University’s Wait Chapel, as he stood in front of nine American flags and mock-ups of the preamble to the Constitution.

Later in the day, he announced the formation of a conservative-leaning Justice Advisory Committee, which he said will counsel him on judicial appointments if he wins the presidency. The group, which will be chaired by former solicitor general Theodore B. Olson and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.), is a Who’s Who of prominent conservative legal minds, with members including Princeton University professor Robert George and Rachel Brand, former assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Policy.

“Here’s what McCain was really telling the party base: If you liked George W. Bush’s nominees, you’re going to love the judges John McCain will put on the bench,” said Kathryn Kolbert, president of People for the American Way.

I know, None of this could possibly be the case because he got the nod from some twit named “Daddy Yankee” which outweighs everything because you want to see it that way.

Better to have Ginsberg sail through?

Only with McCain’s blessing, Bill.

In retrospect, McCain was immolated by the shameless hard right in 2004. Much of what they threw at Kerry will stick to McCain.

lol…John Kerry is ancient history and out of the picture.

Remember the gang of 14?

Yes, I think it was a good idea to preserve the filibuster.

It’s an empty promise he knows he will never be able to keep.

My crystal ball broke so I can only go by what he has promised.

You’re crazy if you think the dems will allow a vote for a true conservative.

Better to have Ginsberg sail through?