Look who’s calling whom racist now
This is classic. After relentless rhetoric from Obama and his minions about the inherent racism of conservatives, we now have left-wing union leaders assailing their rank-and-file for their inherent racism.
Via The Hill:
Racial prejudice is being cited among senior union leaders to explain Sen. Barack Obama’s difficulty in winning over support from white rank-and-file members.
Obama (D-Ill.) is counting on organized labor to help win him key electoral votes in Ohio, Michigan and other battleground states.
Karen Ackerman, political director for the AFL-CIO, acknowledged that Obama’s race is an important factor for some union members.
“This race is very complicated because there is an African-American candidate for president,” said Ackerman. “We feel there is a racial component for some union members, but we’re confident we can overcome that.”
…Obama’s difficulties with white, working-class voters, who make up much of the ranks of organized labor, became apparent during the Democratic primary. Clinton beat Obama by large margins in states such as Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky, which have high concentrations of lower-income white voters.
“I think there’s more resistance than people want to admit,” said Edward Finkelstein, publisher of the Labor Tribune, a weekly publication distributed in about 80,000 union households in St. Louis and southern Illinois. “It’s ingrained that voting for a black is anathema to everything in their core.”
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Feeler, if you don’t mind, speak for yourself.
ohhhhh-bama
hey-bama
bama-bama-ho
bama-hey-bama-
ho-bama.
hey barry, barry!
you’re a black jc!
bama-hey bama-hey-bama-ho
(since i can’t get that song out of my head you’re all going to have to suffer along with me)
S.O.P. (Standard Operating Procedure) for “progressives”. Anyone who disagrees with them is racist, oppressive, callous, etc.
It’s so much easier to call your opponents names than to try understand and address their objections.
Who is it that always introduces race into the election? The Dems.
BTW – shouldn’t blacks be called Americans? Or American-African if you have to hyphenate your nationality? I’d think they’d want to be American first and foremost. It sounds like they prefer to be African first.
I can’t help but think of Dr. Seuss’ “The Sneetches” whenever racism comes up.
Rather than hiding behind skin tone and the ability to charge others with racism, I’m wondering if it’s possible to go a little deeper and have a conversation about culture. We wonder why “race” is still an issue in this country, yet we can’t seem to avoid using the same ad hominem fallacies that have been used since the sixties.
I’m sorry, but this is a tempest in a teapot. Ackerman didn’t call union members racist. She said “This race is very complicated because there is an African-American candidate for president…We feel there is a racial component for some union members, but we’re confident we can overcome that.”
Anyone who denies that Obama’s race is an issue to some white people is living in a fantasy world. In a poll referenced here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/22/obama-and-race-most-white_n_108503.html one in ten white people say they are “uncomfortable” with the idea of a black president, one in theree wouldn’t be “entirely comfortable” with it. That’s more than enough to throw an election the other way, whether it’s stone racists voting for McCain just because he’s white or the “not entirely comfortbles” using race as a tie-breaker. In addition, union members are traditionally strongly (not monolithically)Democratic and Obama’s positions are generally very close to Hillary’s.
Given all that, if union enthusiasm is down for Obama, it makes perfect sense to for the AFL-CIO to work to make “some” union members more comfortable with a black guy being president.
iamsaved,
You can refer to me as black.
Reminds me of a question my husband’s boss posed to him (for those who don’t know my husband is white). Any way, she asks him one day – “what he calls me?” Since he was unsure of what she was alluding to as I am sure was conveyed by the clueless look on my husband’s face. She added, “does she like to be called black or African-American.”
He told her that if he called me African-American that I would probably wonder what was wrong with him and have him committed.
He’s right… I would.
I’m getting REALLY tired of this racist crap.
It’s his deceitful radical immoral core that has us so against obama.
The entire socialist/marxist package is an insult to most of America.
Let us vote for Michael Steele, Larry Elder or even Bill Cosby, almost anyone BUT obama.
I don’t think anyone is denying that some people will have misgivings about Obama based solely on his race. But liberals seem to think that racists exist only on the Republican end of the spectrum. Meanwhile, race is constantly being interjected in the race. I guess the saying is true – “dance with the one who brought you.”
It’s too bad we’re still at a stage where we feel we have to refer to a person’s race at all…
I really love how the Dems eat their own, even their most loyal, blue collar worker vote.
Isn’t it interesting, that if you’re white and you don’t vote for Obummer you’re a racist, but if you’re black, and you vote for Obummer because he’s black, that’s not racist?
I really love the circular logic (or lack thereof) of the black community. Doh!
THE WINDOW IS CLOSING…
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah….
Say Twofoot:
So, since you have NO RACISM in you, maybe you can explain why blacks dominate the NBA? Keep in mind though, that to say ,”blacks are better at basketball than whites” fits most of the fuzzy “definitions” of “RACISM” today.
And since you are WITHOUT HATE, maybe you could share with us your feelings on Al Quaida? Or actual Nazis?
Care to qualify your criticism?
feeler #90; excellent point. why don’t we have a mandate for short white guys who can’t jump in the nba. why are male reporters not allowed in the female dressing rooms after a sporting event, but female reporters are allowed in male dressing rooms. why aren’t the chinese and jewish populations of the u.s. not given preferential treatment in academic elite colleges. why can’t men try to play in the lpga tournaments, when women are constantly trying to play in the pga. NO ONE COMPLAINS, AND EVERYONE CHEERS WHEN A GIRL PLAYS ON A COLLEGE FOOTBALL SQUAD, BUT MEN ARE FORBIDDEN ON ANY FEMALE ATHLETIC SQUAD. double standards!
Agreed.
Synopsis: My niece (4 years old) shows me that there is hope for the world. She’s a little redhead who loves her Aunt and prays that God will make her skin brown so she doesn’t get sun burn. To see the world through a child’s eye….
There are racists on both sides. I have an aunt who is a democrat and thinks blacks are being too uppity expecting to be our President. On the other side, I have a republican grandfather who “ain’t votin’ for no nigroid”
I have no idea how I escaped their influence but thank God I did.
If you truly feel that way, I pity you.
You need to find some new friends.
not another Obama supporter…please;)
So Shooter as well, is ABOVE “racism” and “hate.”
Me thinks you in DENIAL!
I’d offer the same two questions I just put to Twofoot.
Because our creator made us. And everything about us. INCLUDING the emotions you choose to label with buzzwords: “Racism” and “Hate!”
Can you really believe you have no RACISM or HATE within you? Are you so ….ENLIGHTENED?
The spade calling the hoe a digger?
I’m not sure if anyone brought this up in the thread already ( I tried to read as much as possible), but a political consultant (who happens to be a black woman)and who is a Hillary supporter, has accused the Illinois Senate President, Emil Jones, of calling her an “Uncle Tom”.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1124667,CST-NWS-dem25.article
Usually this offensive term is reserved for Black conservatives.
Hello NavyWife, I saw that and Emil basically said he called her a doubting Thomas.
You don’t have to worry about that at all. She’s raised in a very conservative household.
This story has some legs though. Obambi was “known” for his work on Ethics reform back in Illinois and now the Gov. wants to make some “changes”.
I thought this quote from the article I linked to was interesting. Apparently, the litmus test to not being a racist is voting for Obama.
I have no question that aunt 30 will get her two pieces in.
to not being a racist
“for not being a racist” oops!
Stated very well. The only remaining question is when others will stop attacking heterosexual white male christians and recognize that we are human. Of course, we are also the main taxpayers and producers in the country so one would think they would at least try not to kill the goose giving the golden eggs.
On topic, this comes from Newsweek.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/155117
Michelle, please look into this Newsweek article and consider linking/discussing. It’s so far from “journalism” they must be considering it an opinion piece. Still, I’m shocked that Newsweek’s editors would think think this opinion has any merit.
I so stupid…she wants to be an ‘Aunt Tom’…
I’ve been a member of the firefighter’s IAFF union for over 21 years. In 2000, they told me to vote for Gore, I didn’t. In 2004, they told me to vote for Kerry, I didn’t. This year they’re telling me to vote for Obama, I won’t. It’s not the color of his skin, but what’s in his head and comes out his mouth.
His ideas are nuts so they have to insist that you’re a racist if you’re not for him. Weak argument from weak people. Come on Dems, stick to the issues…
Like flag lapel pins, Barak Obama’s middle name and Michelle’s Obama’s college thesis?
Are we still joking here? I must admit that I am no longer sure.
yes 30…
Perhaps you should take a stroll over to the thread regarding BO and his cronies are hyperventilating over the ad that exposes Obama’s ties to Ayers. What’s the matter? Nothing snarky or smarmy to add in defense of your beloved Fauxssiah?
sambo,
Had to be clear….
I think racism is at the core of this problem. The racism of quotas that has held these hardworking white people back from jobs and promotions because the company had to hire or promote a minority candidate.
If someone gets passed over for a promotion only to watch the position get filled with a less qualified candidate, who happens to be a person of color, they are keenly aware that they are a victim of racism.
And when someone gets burned by a racial quota they and all of their friends and coworkers know about it.
They also consider that their children may not get into their college of choice because the university has to admit enough minority students to meet it’s quotas.
I have little doubt that many view a liberal black president as a source of stricter racial ‘guidelines for hiring’.
Yeah, it’s racism. The racism that treats hardworking white people as second class citizens and undermines the meritocracy of the American dream.
Maybe we need to consider this the backlash of an unfair and unnecessary system that has pitted whites against minorities in a losing battle for a better life for themselves and their children.
Conservatives aren’t racist – they just fight against: little black girls going to integrated schools, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks, etc…
BemusedLib (#130):
I agree the middle name thing is stupid. But the flag pin and his wife’s thesis raise questions about their character (maybe a lot, maybe a little, maybe you agree, maybe you don’t, but they are legitimate questions to raise).
Still, even if you’re absolutely right that they are distractions without any legitimacy, why try to relate them to the “racism” issue? You appear to be excusing the irrelevant, and frankly irresponsible, racism claim because you think the McCain supporters use irrelevant claims too.
First, both arguments/claims could be wrong or bad (as I said, I disagree, but I respect your right to hold a different opinion). Second, your comment (excusing the one by pointing to the other) is just a deflection not an argument. The kind of comment that ignores the real issues discussion. Third, and most importantly, IMHO the two are not even close to equivalent. The racism angle is divisive and antithetical to Barry’s professed message. Sadly, it appears to be a staple of the campaign tactics of Barry’s supporters.
It isn’t anger, it’s wanting it to end. I want to have the right to feel as I please about those social programs, advocate for their end without being called a racist. I do not want to be forced to pay 10,000 per year in school taxes for schools at which MY daughter is the unwelcome minority. I want my hard-earned resources used in ways that make sense.
My grandparents immigrated here from Sicily in the 20’s and from Russia, in TERROR! They never benfitted a day from slavery, they never cheated a black man out of a dime, and they were called things just as bad as the N-word. (although no one went to jail for it!) They went to work every day, never complained, and their children did the same, and their grandchildren.
I’m going to speak the truth, and I’m not going to accept being called a racist for it, and I’m going to point out that the non-white races are given broad latitude to prefer their own, and associate with their own, and provide for their own. I simply want the same rights as the NAACP, the United Negro College Fund, the Black Police Union. After all this, I want nothing more than equality. I want the same freedom of speech that Al Sharpton has to call my family “diamond dealers”. I want the same freedom as Rev. Wright has, I want the same freedom as Chris Rock, I want to be revered even after I call New York City “Hymietown” because people like my grandparents fled the greatest mass murderers in history and sought refuge in the bosom of that great city, and built it even greater, gave to it, and asked nothing more than shelter and to work.
After Barack Obama, more people are starting to see that Whites have been asked to silence themselves, to accept that they are racists, and open their wallets for the extortion racket that is fueled by the phony PC crowd. I’m only saying that Obama has helped us to see things more clearly, and we will not slink away every time someone says “racist” or “white supremecist”.
Therefore,
Intellectual : Diversity :: Middle Class : Racist
Wow, you cannot be serious?!
I’m not attempting to be divisive here and I wasn’t labeling you a racist or white supremacist. I knew I would regret challenging your statement. If only for the reason that you believe most black people want you to “slink away.” I mentioned above that my husband is white – so what you are saying isn’t new news to me. We’ve had to deal with all sorts of issues being a mixed race couple – from strangers and from our own families. So, please try and understand that I am in no way trying to malign you.
Do I believe that racism exists on both sides, hell yes. I’ve had black friends tell me that I needed to attend a African-American studies course because apparently I wasn’t properly indoctrinated.
I’ll end there with the hopes that you understand I wasn’t trying to silence you.
From the Hill:
Or maybe they just think Obama is unqualified?
Given the choice of Condi Rice or John McCain, I’d be more likely to vote for Condi Rice.
What would polls statistics say about how black democrats would vote given the choice of Obama and Hillary Clinton? Hmmmm…. We already know that answer.. don’t we?
Who is it that’s racist?
I used to be amazed that there are many people out there like you who postulate like they know American history. Are you channeling revisionist American history or what? Or are you looking at your own one-way historical prism in which all the offenses commited against blacks were done by Republicans?
Please get a grip. The Dems fought MLK tooth and nail. The Dems fought against enacting Civil Rights legislation. It took a majority of Republican votes to enact that legislation. Hell, JFK and company were spying on MLK to check up on his activities and keep him “leashed.”
It really saddens me that many Americans, especially liberals, have no understanding of their own history. Many, like you, seem to want to recreate it to suit your own political goals and ideologies. As a social studies and history teacher, I’ve seen how state curriculum has condensed American history into a series of talking points without connections, explanation, or meaning.
You really need to reexamine your own belief systems and understanding of American history. Then again, you, like many public school students, are a reflection of the ignorant standards that pass for an education these days. Please, get a clue… you sound like one of my former 8th graders who can’t defend a position and need to come up with generalizations without any facts to back them up.
There is really only one race — the human race.
BEMUSED LIB; the reason white males run our institutions is the same reason women have children…they have the ability. why do blacks and women have to be given preferences to compete in education and business. white males don’t make up a majority of the professional athletes in this country because we don’t give priorities to them. go to any college and ask them what the average sat score is for white male applicants, black male applicants, white female applicants and black female applicants. white males succeed because they give up a lot to achieve. women want to be executives, but then when they become valuable to the corp. they want to drop out for a few years to have children, but of course the company must hold my job for when i get back. NO MAN WOULD BE CONSIDERED VALUABLE IF HE SAID TO HIS BOSS “I WANT TO TAKE OFF A FEW YEARS TO DO AN IMPORTANT THING FOR MYSELF.” he would be fired if he was white, and demoted if he was black. i run a company, and i would never hire a woman to be one of my salesmen. call me a sexist, but i can’t afford the legal liability. my daughter is a chemical engineer and department head for a company, and she has come to the same conclusion. when she had her child, she was off for 3 weeks, because she knows the company relies upon her. YES THERE ARE WOMEN LIKE THAT, AND SHE IS SMARTER THAN ME, BUT STATISTICS SHOW I’M RIGHT. blacks make up 12% of the u.s. population, and 50% of the prison roles and welfare roles. put another way they are 6 times as likely to be on welfare or in prison as the same population of whites. women make less than men because they choose career paths that are easier, hence paid less than men. in my state, a teaching degree has high school math and science and english, and over 90 credit hours of babysitting 101. would you voluntarily pay $35 an hour for a babysitter?
Excellent point. Or stated another way, the easiest way to find a racist is to look for the person accusing others of “racism.”
Labeling others with derogatory terms, or threatening to do so, works on liberals because their sense of self depends on “validation” by others in their peer group. The prospect of that validation being withheld or withdrawn is akin to threatening excommunication to the devoutly religious — it’s a powerful tool to keep the rank and file in line.
The union thug-leadership’s threat to stick the “racist” label on anyone reluctant to convert to the Cult of Hopenchange is a clear warning of where the group validation lies, and the consequences of heresy (i.e., thinking for yourself).
I think, therefore I am racist.
Dude, get a history lesson yourself. Yes, SOUTHERN Democrats fought MLK tooth and nail. But we were losing them as early as 1948, when Strom Thurmond was so disgusted by Truman’s civil rights stands that he ran fro President on the “Dixiecrat” ticket. In 1960, Bobby Kennedy’s intervention on behalf of King — getting him sprung from an Atlanta jail — is considered by some to have won the election for JFK, as blacks began moving away from the Republican Party for the first time. Most of the Johnson-era civil rights statutes were passed with bipartisan majorities (Southern Dems being the only real opponents) under a Democratic President. In 1968, Richard Nixon developed the infamous “Southern Strategy” using racist outrage over Johnson’s civil rights passion to start winning votes in the South. You may recall the chairman of the Republican National Committee apologizing for this particularly sordid moment in GOP history. By 1980, Ronald Reagan practically stood on the graves of three murdered civil rights workers to announce his support for the “States Rights” platform so beloved of segregationists. The Party of Lincoln had become the Party of George Wallace. Later, there was Willie Horton, and now immigrant hysteria and Obama’s “un-American-ness.”
Not that all Republicans are racist or even a significant minority of them, but recent history suggests they’ll do what they have to do.
That’s right. People can’t think for themselves. they can’t make up their own minds as to which candidate is best for them, has similar values, want to do the things that the individual wants. Nope…if they don’t vote for The Golden calf, then it is simply because he is black…or at least partially…and not for any other reason at all. ESPECIALLY during the Primaries when there was a choice between two Democrats. Clearly, the only reason people voted for Clinton was because she was white. Clearly, people who voted for The Golden Calf did no not because they were sexist, but because he is black and oh so qualified, with plenty of experience etc.
Well, let me tell you…by their standards, by the standards laid out by these race-baiting morons, I am one hell of a racist SOB pig, because it will be a frozen tundra of a day in hell before I would EVER vote for The Golden Calf. Yup…someone stop by the cleaners for me and pick up my robes and hood.
Of course, that also makes me a sexist SOB and chauvinist pig as well, since it would be a similar day in hell before I voted for Clinton as well.
Man…I have such major issues. Thanks Liberals…if it weren’t for you, I would have never known.
Psssssttt…..*whispers*…stop feeding the troll. Pass it on.
Well said. It must be very challenging to be an interracial couple. I can’t even imagine some of the comments that you and your husband must get. My husband and I knew a couple who were interracial. My husband’s friend, a black Air Force officer, and his wife, who was white, are great people. However, as you’ve mentioned, they faced a lot of challenges from both their families. They ended up getting divorced and I’m not sure what caused it. I do know, as a military spouse, that military marriages are under constant strain. It really saddened me the day I found out they were getting a divorce.
I live in a predominantly black community. I live in Hampton Roads, VA where there is a lot of black-black crime and racial tension. I can feel and see it. I see all the Obummer signs cropping up. I even told my husband, “hey, let’s put a McCain sign out in our front yard.” I wanted to take a stand. My husband nixed it. He doesn’t want to make waves and wants to keep the peace.
Perhaps I’m a little too pugnacious for my own good. I grew up feeling ashamed of my Native American roots (my maternal grandmother was the biggest racist) and have come to grips with who I am. I won’t let anybody, especially the black residents in my community, make me feel like I’m a racist because I don’t support “their” candidate.
One of the most uncomfortable truths I’ve discovered about our country, as both a student and educator, is that diversity is a wonderful concept in theory but only applicable for those who feel they should benefit from it the most. Perhaps, if everyone wasn’t so cowed by fear of the “racist” moniker, then we’d actually get past the stereotypes that liberals have for both blacks and whites.
30, good luck to you and your husband. Don’t let negativity from anybody hurt your marriage.
Amazing. That has to rank with among the most astonishingly and purposefully ill-informed and deceitful statements of wishful thinking I’ve read in a long, long time.
Let’s just take one example: George Wallace (D) proclaims, “Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!” Dwight Eisenhower (R) sends federal troops to push people like Wallace out of the way of integrated schools.
The leftist credo: Never let the truth get in the way of a lie that you think sounds clever.
Who opened the portal to Bizarro World and let Ilovemycountry in?
Thanks, emjem.
I’m a bit of a rebel myself. So, I completely understand where you are coming from.
Wasn’t me.
Your comment is why I’ve always sought to keep politics out of my lesson plans. While other teachers were crowing about how Kerry was going to be the next president over the big bad Bush, I sought to use the election and how we vote as a country as part of an American history lesson for my 8th graders. As a class, we discussed some of the issues that our country faced (and still faces) in a dispassionate manner and not injected with emotion. It was amazing that 8th grade kids could have a poliical discussion but adults, especially liberals like yourself, play the blame game or inject a grievance into the mix.
Oh, and by the way, dude, I’m a woman… get it straight. The Dems, such as JFK, used MLK as much as they could to get the black vote. Pretty much what Dems are doing now. Giving blacks freebies with no expectations of success because, hey, that Great Society program worked out so well. If you don’t think that Dems aren’t still using blacks to get an easy vote, then you really don’t get it. You bray about how Republicans “exploit” black history, yet you forget how that same community has been very ill-served by the Dem party. If you ignore that part of history, then you deny what is at the root of the problems confronting blacks today.
Your comment pretty much demonstrates what’s happening to the history profession. Liberals, like yourself, with an axe to grind, use history to villify whatever they want, from Republicans to even the first colonial settlers of Virginia. I think you need to take another look at history, because it’s a story about the human race not just one political party.
In order to balance the federal deficit, why don’t we just charge the libs $1.00 each time they accuse someone else of being “racist”? We could be in the black or should I say African-American by the end of the year.
Living in Southern Califonia I am becomming racist… oh well, not MY fault.
Willie Horton? Do you know who actually brought him into the political ring? It sure wasn’t the Republicans.
What do you mean “immigrant hysteria”? Sorry, if we don’t want people coming to our country illegally when so many are doing it the right way.
I don’t think Obama is “unAmerican” at all, but I do think (by his words, actions and associations) that his love of this country is questionable.
Oh, dear, JD, you’re asking for trouble there.
Libs seem to have a lot of trouble not only managing our money but their own. Wouldn’t they be broke with all the race mongering they do on a daily basis?
ha! I guess I’m an enabler.
I had to do a triple take on that one..
Hey.. Because I share a middle name with George Wallace, (Corley) does that mean I’m inherently racist?
BS. Fat people of all colors and genders can be discriminated against with impunity (and most conservatives applaud this discrimination).
First, I am reliably informed by my teenagers that “dude” applies to both sexes these days. No offense meant.
Second, I’m confused about the Kennedy’s “using” MLK. You mean, if you support someone in trouble, it’s using them?
Third, I am eager to admit many Republicans into the pantheon of Civil Rights activists. But their commitment to civil rights has flagged noticably since the 60s.
And, as for what blacks think of Democratic policies, they seem to support them, possibly because they have their roots in the aforementioned Democratic leadership (at the Presidential level) and because they find themselves treated with respect at our table. Your idea that you know what’s best for black people and that they don’t know is wondrously arrogant — at best.
Sorry — empahsis added by mistake, not to yell at anyone.
TTFN
a song by Ben Folds from ‘Rockin’ the Suburbs’..
Starts out as:
he’s pretty free with the language.. but he can pound that piano..
Lets make one strike and see if the statement still works for the DNC.
Your idea that you know what’s best for
blackpeople and that they don’t know is wondrously arrogant — at best.BemusedLib
Kind of like the democrats registering illegal aliens and getting their policies from the dying continent of Europe?
Tell us, BemusedLib, if what the democrats have is spectacular, why do they have to break the law and cloak their intentions in the media in order to win?
But I guess we can do anything in the name of “progress,” huh?
Gee. If I read that quote correctly all those Democratic voters for Hillary are now racists as well. Guess that explains why they are bitter, chuch-going, gun owners.
See, here’s the thing: black people actually support the DNC’s policies; they don’t support yours. And, since there are actual Democratic members of Congress who are black, they actually have a hand in shaping Democratic policies. See,we believe that black people are smart enough to make their own decisions. You apparently don’t. I think there’s a word for that, dude.
Sambo —
Sorry, I read quickly and thought I was back one-on-one with my buddy emjem. My apologies.
Strike the last line, but I’ll stick with the rest of the thought. Cheers.
Off-topic a little but I want to ask any of you who may have the answer:
Why do we call everyone but White people “people of color”?….not that I care but it has always struck me as kind of odd.
Technically speaking, White is the combination of all colors in the spectrum….black is devoid of color. Shouldn’t white folks be the people of color? Just askin’.
Please do show me one verifiable instance where “most conservatives applaude this discrimination”. People of color…oops there it goes again….cannot change their color (please don’t bring up Micheal Jackson)…but fat folks….for the most part….should be able to push themselves away from that last cheeseburger right?
You didn’t answer the question again. This administration has more minorities in positions of power than any other…ever!
I believe that black people are smart enough to make their own decisions…thats why I want them to have the power to DO IT, not make them for them!
Lets make another change and see if the statement still works for the DNC.
[speaking to the gay community]
Your idea that you know what’s best for children of straight people and that they don’t know is wondrously arrogant — at best.
If the out-of-Africa theory is correct…why aren’t all Americans African-Americans?
You may want to read this piece written by Frances Rice (Chairman of the National Black Republican Association)
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500
Why Martin Luther King Was Republican
BEFORE you start spewing the Democrat vomit leaving your mouth!
Liberals don’t see Condi Rice, Colin Powell, etc. as black or minorities because they don’t believe in the typical liberal agenda. Therefore, Bush didn’t do anything historical. They’re just puppets, right? Look at how they treat black conservatives like Michael Steele. He was called all kinds of names (Uncle Tom, lawn jockey) when he ran for Senate a couple of years ago. These people are such hypocrites!!!
I was going to accept that apology but since you made several statements that implied I am a white supremacist, racist, (or something), I won’t!
Thank you for reafirming the exact point of this thread…which is, LIBs running around shouting RACIST!
Just for fun I looked up a list of Clinton Cabinet members — and this is somewhat imprecise — divided the number of minority cabinet members he appointed by the total number of appointments and came up with 41% minority appointees at the cabinet level. Being too lazy to do in-depth for Bush, I just kicked over to the White House website and counted the persons of color, and got 20%. If you could give me a little more insight into your figures, I’d appreciate it.
Given that every member of the Congressional Black Caucus is Democratic, and that 22 of 25 (more or less — don’t quote me) Hispanic members of congress are Ds, and that Ds appoint cabinet members of color at twice the rate of Rs and that we have a black guy at the top of the ticket, I’m unclear how putting power into Republican hands gives POCs greater power to control their lives. Seems like they have access to the inner circles on on party, and it ain’t the Republicans.
Regarding The Gays, I can’t necessarily speak for the the gay couple next door, for example, or the gay teachers at my children’s school, but I’ve never heard them suggest any particular policy or course of action for straight people, beyond the thought that all Americans should be treated with dignity and respected, and enjoy the rights and privileges that our laws and constitution confer.
And who can argue with that?
In this article, written by a man by the name of Jacob Weisberg, it states, “[to vote for Obama] We would finally be able to see our legacy of slavery, segregation and racism in the rearview mirror. Our kids would grow up thinking of prejudice as a nonfactor in their lives. The rest of the world would embrace a less fearful and more open post-post-9/11 America.”
Again, I’m very sorry to inform any and all who are reading that neither MY family nor my HUSBAND’s family owned slaves. And the only reason my children have to see prejudice as a real factor in their lives is because, even in their twenties, they’ve seen and felt the effects of reverse discrimination against either themselves or their friends.
And I REALLY love the fact that Jacob Weisberg can talk about “OUR” kids and “OUR” shame… but that’s kind of racist on my part, isn’t it! I apologize!
I’m a little hurt, Sam — may I call you Sam?
See, I struck that line precisely because it implied that you were a racist. I had conflated two posts by different people which, together, would have made a pretty strong case. Realizing my error, I apologized as quickly as I could. I offered my hand and find it struck away.
Alas.
On the other hand, if you are indeed a white guy and you run around calling yourself “Sambo,” you are going to get a few funny looks.
I saw 2 blacks out of 23…simple division makes that 8 percent.
and 5 out of 43 for Bush…being 11 percent. Bet you can even name 2 of Bushes since they were in very hight places…and none of Clintons. Of course that number does not reflect that Rice servered 2 different positions.
Didn’t count other minorities but Bush had many more hispanics….
So your numbers are BOGUS…just like your NAME CALLING!
If BO were a white guy, I still wouldn’t vote for him because he’s too liberal. Then if, he were a white guy, Hillary would have won the nomination. Things which have nothing to do with racism are being labeled as racism. If BO loses, that because of racism; if he wins I doubt the race card goes away.
I’m sorry, you’re wrong. Check out here:
I admit I double-counted Pena, who served both at transportation and energy. And, As I did with Bush, I counted Hispanics and Asians — note that my figure for Bush is higher than yours — as well as blacks. For your convenience, I have listed them below, with asterisks next to the black folks, so you can double check.
Your arithmetic is as bad as your politics. There’s a word for that, too.
*Espy
*Brown
Mineta
*Herman
Cisneros
Pena
*Slater
*O’Leary
Richardson
*J. Brown
*West
Sorry: source is here.
bemusedLib said :
Ok, see here is the flaw in your argument. You use the excpetion to the rule of white males as the rule. The VAST majority of white males do not hold postions that pay $m’s a year. Most are simple working stiffs from middle class and working class parents. Many simply wnat to compete on a playing level filed and try to achieve that brass ring, just like most. Affirmative action policies do not single out the powerful or rich (bush, kennedy, eisner, john edwards, etc) white males to discriminate against. The policy disproportionately harms white males who are poor or middle class. See, the bush’s or the clinton’s would never have to worry about their children not being admitted anywhere due to affirmative action policies as their power and $ assure their children that these policies do not apply to them. It does apply to some poor white kid, who is intelligent, not a genius, who worked hard in HS and simply wants to attend the best college he can (or his family can afford). Then gets denied because the university needs more minorities for their reporting. And this does happen. How about the white working stiff who does not get a promotion for which he is deserving because upper managment has said to increase minorities in the upper ranks. And I know for a fact that happens. I am not saying that seom minorities are not deserving and should not be promoted, but the reverse discrimination does happen. What about them? I thought the democrat party was all about helping the disadvantaged and poor. Or does that only apply to minorities? or perhaps, you beleive that all white males are the same and in some conspiracy to hold minorities and women down? Hmmm, isn’t that being “racist”? My father never finished HS (dropped out in 8th grade to work for family during the depression). He worked hard to help pay for our tuition. I worked to pay for the rest of the living costs. So I am somehow less deserving of a spot in a school because I am a white male (albeit, not a wealthy white male). Affirmative Action policies are not impacting the rich and powerful, only the poor white males. Why not allow a level playing field for everyone then? Apply affirmative action policies only to those whose parents who are wealthy. Otherwise, the policy is breeding resentment amongst a large population of white males. Rather than reducing racists tendencies or resentment, it is actually fostering it among the people who have no power to control it, nor were never repsonsible for the perceived past discrimination.
Here’s the flaw in your argument: Men’s incomes are higher than women’s (as I’m sure Hillary will point out tonight, in detail) White household income is 60% higher than black household income.
I’ve been white all my life and this whole concept that that masses of middle class whites are being displaced by minorities is a myth. I have no doubt that occasionally some deserving white person gets bumped back by what they consider to be a less-deserving black person, but I also know that there is still widespread racism of the cardinal and venal kind. That same white person is going to get the benefit of the doubt against the same black person on another occasion.
This isn’t an abstraction for me, you know. I’ve got two kids I have to get into college, soon. But, in an imperfect world, if I have to chose between the privileged and unprivileged, as a class, I think we as a nation should be redistributing privilege, not reinforcing it. I’m not on a rant here, but I’m pretty sure that on the balance, white guys are going to get more breaks than the black guys.
btw, I wonder what the middle class kid from Virginia thought when John McCain’s Admiral Daddy got him into the Naval Academy ahead of some kid that didn’t spend high school screwing off.
Shhhh….take a deep breath…I’ll put my own words in my mouth.
The playing field is inherently unlevel. Affirmative action is a way to try to make it moreso.
Here’s the thing that gets me: life has been getting tougher for middle class families since the early 70s: wages are flat, benefits are being yanked away, the cost of housing, college and health care is rising (housing not so much lately, but still up against income over time) jobs are being sent overseas, and policies are consciously set to transfer wealth to the people who already have a great deal. Why are obsessing over the black guy who essentially wants the same things you do — and be clear, is probably pretty qualified for his job — and not about the politicians who are wreaking long-term havoc on the American dream?
But, back to the original point, white people and men still have substantially more power and money at every level of society than wopmen and blacks.
Ok here is something I just can’t understand. If being black is such a disadvantage in the US, and BO is half black/half white, why does he always identify himself as a black man and never as a white man or mixed race??? Clearly he does not believe it is a disadvantage to identify as a black man. That being the case, which group of people does BO believe are more likely to be influenced by skin color?
Canadian Mike… Are you sure you’re Canadian? LOL
He doesn’t have a choice: he will be — and always was, as a child and an adult — identified by as others as black. I agree it is odd, but if you’re less than 100% pure, society has always defaulted to the non-white description. During segregation, you were legally black as long as you had one great-granparent who was black — if were an “octaroon.” And even Cher sang of the pain of being a half-breed. (joke)
So, he self-identifies as black because, for all practical purposes, he is.
Sure, call them names. They’ll really vote for Obama now.
When will people stand up and say, “Enough is enough” with the name-calling. If I don’t want to vote for a man who has 143 days of experience in office at the national level, why can’t it be because the mere IDEA of him thinking he can be POTUS is ridiculous on its face. Why does it have to have anything to do with the color of his skin? I am so tired of sitting by quietly while we let others, PARTICULARLY other caucasians, suggest that we are racist if we’re not as “progressive” as they think themselves to be.
BemusedLib #188, what?? Who talks about Alicia Keys as black, or Vanessa Williams as black? I never hear them speaking about the color of their skin or their racial heritage. Colin Powell rarely if ever discusses it. And Tiger Woods, or countless others of mixed race, who cares?
Barack Obama identifies himself as black because it serves his agenda; period.
Oh, horsefeathers. Entertainers and athletes have always had an advantage over African-Americans in gaining acceptance.
First, they present no threat. Alicia Keys is never going to have her finger on the button.
Second, performance standards are more obviously objective: either Tiger comes in at eight under or he doesn’t.
Third, success takes only a small percentage of the public. If Alicia Keys sells 20 million albums, she’s a goddess. If Obama gets 20 million votes, he gets his butt kicked.
Finally, Colin Powell has spoken eloquently about race, and how the progressive policies of the military allowed him opportunities that he feels he may not have had in civilian life. It was a damn big deal when Vanessa Williams became the first black Miss America. And everybody talked about Tiger Woods’ race when he came up into the tour. I know it’s hard for you, but you should try reading.
Besides, I didn’t bring the question up, I just provided an accurate and sensible answer.
And, PS: while I reserve the right to take issue with individuals here or anywhere, and while I may assert that I find a particular campaign tactic racist or aimed at the minority of Americans who are racist, I have not and will not equate voting Republican with being racist.
I will, however, equate saying “Barack Obama identifies himself as black because it serves his agenda; period,” with being, at best, half-bright.