DNC = Destroys uNborn Children

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 27, 2008 02:49 PM

Protest sign of the day:

***

That’s how you make a statement:

An official Guinness Book of World Records attempt to display the largest ever protest sign has succeeded. The 530-foot tall and 666-foot wide message is being shouted from the mountaintops overlooking the Democratic National Convention with the leading 2008 protest message.

Depending on their location, thousands of DNC delegates and journalists can look out their hotel windows to the west to see the sign. Sponsored by American RTL Action, the message initially appeared with three enormous 160-foot tall, bright yellow letters, D-N-C, stacked on top of each other.

After those letters suddenly appeared on a mountain just west of Denver, the actual full message of the sign began to unfurl. Three lines of white text, built on the vertical yellow letters read, D-N-C:

Destroys
uNborn
Children

“The tiniest boys and girls should be loved and protected,” said American RTL Action president Steve Curtis, “but as nominating Barack Obama emphasizes, the DNC even supports killing kids in the womb old enough to know their mother’s voice, sleep and dream, suck their thumbs, and play with their toes.”

Columbine dad Brian Rohrbough, whose son Daniel was murdered at that high school massacre, is the group’s vice president. “When we tell kids that unborn children can be killed if their parents don’t want them,” said Rohrbough, “we rob them of the knowledge of the God-given right to life and we destroy their moral foundation. Abortion is wrong because it’s a baby; it’s always wrong to intentionally kill an innocent baby.”

Guinness assigned American Right To Life an official world record attempt number: 228132. The protest sign weighs more than 2,700 pounds and was sewed together with more than four miles of seams connecting 2,400 sheets and backpacked onto location and unfurled by 44 letter carriers with spotters a mile away to ensure proper letter placement. ARTL commits to removing the DNC Sheets Of Shame and leaving the area cleaner than it had been.

ARTL is also a lead sponsor of the DNC Power in the Park protest event by national black leaders at Denver’s Martin Luther King Jr. Park and of the Clinton Watch project at Denver area strip joints.
SOURCE American Right To Life

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  1. #423848
    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Holy cow! That is big! How did they do it?

  2. #423851
    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    I like that guy’s matter of fact delivery of the words “destroys unborn children” while showing the graphic.

  3. #423854
    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I like that guy’s matter of fact delivery of the words “destroys unborn children” while showing the graphic.

    I agree.

    I can only imagine MSNBC’s delivery with the sarcasm in their voices, and the rolling of their eyes.

  4. #423857
    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, guitarplayer said:

    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Holy cow! That is big! How did they do it?

    Here is some more info on it from WND.

  5. #423859
    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, Doo2 said:

    I can only imagine MSNBC’s delivery with the sarcasm in their voices, and the rolling of their eyes.

    They would be, without a doubt, Olberdumb’s Worst People in the WOrld.

  6. #423860
    On August 27th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, sambo said:

    I think it Destroys uNused Cerebral thought as well!

  7. #423865
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, BKennedy said:

    Dumb
    Nasty
    Commies

    Works just as well.

    As does:

    DNC:

    Death
    Narcotics
    Communism

  8. #423870
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Thanks GuitarPlayer! Here are the details I copied here:

    American Right to Life Action, a pro-life organization, has successfully captured a Guinness world record by displaying a 530-foot tall and 666-foot wide abortion protest sign weighing more than 2,700 pounds, sewn together with four miles of stitching linking 2,400 twin sheets.

  9. #423872
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, John Deaux said:

    Clinton Watch project at Denver area strip joints

    Now that’s just plain funny.

  10. #423873
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, BKennedy said:

    Also, sadly, ARTL they got it wrong.

    Since Barack Obama is the nominee, it should read:

    Destroys
    Newborn
    Children

  11. #423874
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Good for them. Let’s put the DNC’s feet to the fire and insist they take a cold, hard look at what abortion really is, really does, and why it’s in direct opposition with the “right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

  12. #423877
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    You know what always confused me? When I was on active duty (and even when I was a Midshipman), I was, on a few occasions, called a “baby killer” by liberals who didn’t like the military. Aside from thinking that was only something you hear liberals screaming in Vietnam movies, it struck me as strange that the term “baby killer”, when used by liberals against the military/Iraq War/etc is meant as an insult, as if they think “baby killing” is somehow reprehensible when applied in that context.

    These same liberals, however, have no problems killing babies. In fact, I bet Planned Parenthood and its liberal supporters are responsible for more intentional baby killing than all of the unintentional wartime baby casualties attributable to the US military combined. How many babies did liberals kill last year? It was a number in the millions.

    If I am ever called a “baby killer” again, I will have to try to contain my laughter.

  13. #423880
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm, sambo said:

    BKennedy said:
    Since Barack Obama is the nominee, it should read:

    Destroys
    Newborn
    Children

    thats gonna leave a mark!

  14. #423883
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    The DNC

    D-oes N-ot C-are

  15. #423885
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, BKennedy said:
    Also, sadly, ARTL they got it wrong.

    Since Barack Obama is the nominee, it should read:

    Destroys
    Newborn
    Children

    They aren’t sentient beings until they complete the slow car ride home to Hyde Park. Until then, it’s open season.

  16. #423887
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, vickisoup said:

    Oooh, BK, you are going to strike a nerve with that one. Good for you!

  17. #423888
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    Dang, right where The Chosen One planned to move his acceptance speech hold His Sermon on the Mount.

  18. #423889
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, sambo said:

    PBoilermaker said:
    How many babies did liberals kill last year? It was a number in the millions.

    I believe its somewhere around 74 million since 1972 (or is it 74). EQ will fix the numbers for me.

  19. #423890
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, navywife91 said:

    PBoilermaker said:

    Excellent point PB!

  20. #423893
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, tre said:

    Congratulations on their attempt. I wonder if Accountable America will complain?

    I also think Do Not Care, or Dumb Nasty Criminals would work.

  21. #423894
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, vickisoup said:

    Does
    Nothing
    Cheerfully

  22. #423896
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, Fat Jolly Penguin said:

    Dangerously
    Naive
    Communists

  23. #423899
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, HomeoftheBrave said:

    As we watched the re-run of the Saddlebrook, er Saddleback? event, and listened again to Odumbo’s definition of when life begins, my wife asked me to explain this partial birth abortion thing. I explained in medical detail….she fainted. These people that condone this are complicit in the murder of a human life. McCain should spend ALL his ad money on this…. it’s a slam dunk.

  24. #423903
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    DNC (as it applies to me:

    D-on’t N-eed C-hange

    Not the change Barak O’Bidet is selling anyhow.

  25. #423907
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, navywife91 said:
    Excellent point PB!

    Have you or your husband ever been called “baby killers”?

    Liberals are nucking futs.

  26. #423909
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, Surveyor said:

    666 foot wide….

    Now that is keeping with the theme.

  27. #423911
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Liberals can’t be guilted into caring about the fact that they condone the murder of innocents. They wear abortion as a badge of honor.

    You’d be lucky to get a response greater than an eye roll when confronting a liberal about it.

  28. #423912
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, navywife91 said:

    Have you or your husband ever been called “baby killers”?

    Liberals are nucking futs.

    I’m not AD (just a #30/spouse), but I’d have to ask my husband if he’s ever been called one. He’s a little more mellow in his “old age”, but I do believe he’d slug the person.

  29. #423913
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    These same liberals, however, have no problems killing babies. In fact, I bet Planned Parenthood and its liberal supporters are responsible for more intentional baby killing than all of the unintentional wartime baby casualties attributable to the US military combined. How many babies did liberals kill last year? It was a number in the millions.

    Never mind the fact that, 99 times out of 100, the same people who are “pro-choice” are anti-death penalty.

    They do, however, have no problem using methods deemed inhumane to use on convicted criminals on unborn children (like lethal injection), and methods we wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) dream of using on others – ripping them apart limb-from-limb, crushing their skulls and sucking out their brains, burning them with saline.

    If you have the stomach, read up on abortion procedures described in detail. Send that link to your pro-abortion friends and any fence-sitters you know.

    Sure sounds like those are human beings they’re destroying, doesn’t it?

    Abortion is a central issue in this campaign, whether Obama intended it to be or not.

  30. #423916
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, markie13 said:

    I can’t believe that no one has pointed out the medical use of the term “DNC;” a “Dilation and curettage,” pronouced DNC.

    Seems sadly appropriate to me…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage

  31. #423919
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, DiamondMair said:

    of the Clinton Watch project at Denver area strip joints.

    John Deaux beat me to it! ;-)

    Semper Fi’
    DM

  32. #423920
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, NDgal said:

    Spelled correctly and all. Way to go RTL, you’re already one up on the libs even without the Guinness record.

  33. #423922
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, sonofdy said:

    Now that is a BIG sign.

  34. #423923
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I can’t believe that no one has pointed out the medical use of the term “DNC;” a “Dilation and curettage,” pronouced DNC.

    Kind of like the abortion drug RU486. In this age of instant messaging shorthand it can read:

    R – Are
    U – You
    4 – for
    86 – Murder

    From Wikipedia:

    In American English, the number 86 used as a verb, to “eighty-six,” means to “ignore” or “get rid of”.

    Sickly, sadly appropriate.

  35. #423924
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, Surveyor said:

    my wife asked me to explain this partial birth abortion thing. I explained in medical detail….she fainted.

    I can understand that reaction. A (very) pro-life friend of mine once gave me a link to a site that had…if you can believe it….an actual video of a partial-birth abortion. I think it was from Europe.

    Very, very disturbing stuff. Liberals should be made to watch it and see just what their policies endorse.

  36. #423925
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, sambo said:

    Will congress ever apologize for abortion as they did for slavery?

    Noting that there aren’t any living victims of either.

  37. #423927
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, sonofdy said:

    Lets see, conservatives break a world record, liberals try to levitate a building, smoke dope and do little else. Conservatives win on effectivness right now.

  38. #423929
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Since libs like statistics, the next time any of you hear a lib spouting off about the OIF body count, remind them of the staggering peacetime body count they are responsible for every year.

    Gleeful support of the intentional killing of millions of innocent human beings every year is something libs need to be reminded of every time they bring up a wartime body count or complain about “human rights abuses” in places like Gitmo or US prisons.

  39. #423932
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Very, very disturbing stuff. Liberals should be made to watch it and see just what their policies endorse.

    The thing is, the die-hards just don’t care. Which is why the general population, the average American needs to see it and understand it.

    I teach 7th grade Christian Formation through my parish. We talked about abortion and I explained, as un-graphically as I could, what abortion is. To which my students replied, “Sick.” Then, they all realized any one of them could have been aborted.

    The “pro-choice” movement will murder itself out of extinction, unless we’re fortunate enough to stop it sooner.

  40. #423939
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, CantCureStupid said:

    Bloody brilliant, and right in their faces, too!!!

    I’m partial to this one, too…

    Destroys
    Newborn
    Children

  41. #423941
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Rationalize THAT Mr and Mrs Obamanation.

  42. #423942
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    OK-I’ll promote it again…

    These groups with bold thinkers willing to put their “toe to the line” DESERVE our $$$$$ SUPPORT!

    C – LALFL

  43. #423943
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, sambo said:

    englishqueen01 said:
    I teach 7th grade Christian Formation through my parish.

    I bet those kids have some hurt knuckles on Monday morning.

  44. #423957
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, navywife91 said:
    I’m not AD (just a #30/spouse), but I’d have to ask my husband if he’s ever been called one. He’s a little more mellow in his “old age”, but I do believe he’d slug the person.

    Eh, it isn’t worth a Captain’s Mast and some NJP.

  45. #423958
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, Trollman said:

    I preached about abortion this past Sunday. I try very hard to keep politics out of the pulpit, but this moral issue is so important, I felt compelled by the love of Christ to preach it. I know that there are some (influential) lifetime Democrats in my church that support pro-choice politicians, and I didn’t know what the reaction would be.

    During the sermon, I had the children taken to another room while I discussed in graphic detail what happens in abortions. People were visibly shaken. Some quietly wept. You could have heard a pin drop.

    The passage I was preaching from was Amos 1:13-15. God pronounces judgment on the Ammonites since they did not even spare children in the womb in their greed and lust for power.

    The god of the Ammonites was Molech. While details of their child sacrifice are sketchy, some experts believe that they would burn their firstborn children to death, to seek the god’s favor. The idol was made of metal, in the shape of a man’s body with a bull’s head. The arms reached out. The idol would be heated until white hot, and then the child would be placed into the idol’s hands, burning to death in agony. The priests would play drums to drown out the child’s screams, so that the child’s screams would not move the hearts of the parents.

    Solomon built an idol to Molech, and some Jews imitated the Ammonites by making their children “pass through fire”. Josiah later desecrated the site (2 Kings 23:10), which was located in the valley of the son of Hinnom, or the valley of Ben-Hinnom.

    In the NT, Jesus refers to Gehenna as the place where the wicked go. Gehenna means the valley of Hinnom. It is translated with the word “hell”. In Jesus’ day, it was so reviled that it had become a garbage dump. When Jesus warned people of the wrath of God, He pointed them to the place where parents murdered their children, where children had screamed in agony.

    Imagine child sacrifice, parents murdering children, children in pain and screaming, that impression is what Hell is like. Disgusting, repulsive, abhorrent (Isaiah 66:24), and contemptible (Daniel 12:2).

    Jesus has quite a few words to say about those who harm little ones – see Matthew 18:1-6, 10; 25:40. Children have guardian angels who have direct access to God. Do not think you can advocate for abortion and escape the wrath of God.

    The Bible teaches that a fetus in the womb is a baby (Luke 1:39-44) and a child (Exodus 21:22-25). In fact, the Law gives the death penalty to someone who causes the death of a fetus – life for life.

    I also called out the Pentecostal “minister” Leah Daughtry for arguing that God was pro-choice. She argues that, since God allows us to choose between spiritual life or death, we ought to allow others the right to choose between abortion or life.

    But God requires secular governments to enforce basic morality, and to punish evil-doers (Romans 12:4). If governments do not punish evil-doers – like murderers, thieves, etc., then God will condemn that nation. Just like He condemned the Ammonites, who not only sacrificed children, but did not even spare children in the womb.

    I told them not to be fooled by those who claim abortion is only one issue among many to be considered. Consider Jesus’ special care for the least of these, and realize that protecting the lives of those who are most vulnerable is a non-negotiable. If you think you can support those who advocate legalized abortion on demand, and that God will hold you guiltless, don’t fool yourself.

    When people were filing out of church, some said they had a lot to think about. I hope so.

  46. #423959
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Noting that there aren’t any living victims of either.

    Actually there is. Gianna Jessen survived a saline abortion performed in the 3rd trimester. Gianna lives with cerebral palsy as a result of the attempt on her life.

    Here are more stories about women who have abortions only to learn their babies survived. Funny thing is, after the failed initial attempt, these women decide not to have an abortion…even though it’s legal. Casts doubt on the notion that women “need” abortions, doesn’t it? Makes the research that most women are coerced into abortions against their will seem more credible, doesn’t it?

    Then there’s this story, from the UK, about a baby born at 28 weeks gestation. Read it and try not to cry:

    As he lay desperately ill in his incubator under ultraviolet light, the tiny baby looked to be losing the battle for life.

    Dylan Ardill had suffered a bleed on the brain, had a hole in his heart and his lungs had not formed properly.

    He was born weighing less than 2lb and could have fitted into the palm of his father’s hand.

    But a week later came a signal which filled his parents Ralph and Annalex with hope.

    He raised his hand and gave his mother’s finger a squeeze as Mr Ardill captured the moment on camera.

    That moment proved to be a turning point.

    Dylan began to put on weight, his medical problems were resolved and, at three months old, he was allowed home from St Mary’s Hospital in West London.

    He is now a healthy two-year-old.

    How is this child, born early, any more human than a child at 28 weeks gestation still in the womb? He isn’t.

    Of course, Barack Obama would have preferred the abortionist finish his job and kill Gianna; and the next step will be demanding children diagnosed (incorrectly or otherwise) with disabilities in the womb be aborted for being “imperfect.” Says a commenter on the issue:

    The aim of prenatal diagnosis is to prevent the birth of an abnormal child. The whole science of prenatal diagnosis is meaningless if abortion is not allowed even when gross abnormality is confirmed.

    What a horror. We will one day answer for the deaths of 50 million innocent children. Given that 80% of households will be headed by baby boomers soon, and the subsequent generations (missing 50 million people) cannot support the number of boomers. We reap what we sew, people.

  47. #423963
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:58 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I bet those kids have some hurt knuckles on Monday morning.

    Wow, what an incredibly uninformed, stereotyping thing to say. I guess us Bitter Clingers can’t indoctrinate our kids without beating morals into them, huh?

  48. #423965
    On August 27th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, navywife91 said:

    Eh, it isn’t worth a Captain’s Mast and some NJP.

    Well, I guess that depends on his boss (Commodore). Maybe he’d get a pat on the back. :lol:

  49. #423976
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:02 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I try very hard to keep politics out of the pulpit, but this moral issue is so important, I felt compelled by the love of Christ to preach it.

    While viewed from a political perspective, abortion is no more a purely political issue than it is purely a religious one (again, see Atheists for Life).

    It has to do with a society ensuring its future and prosperity by protecting future generations.

    Civilizations that want to live protect life; civilizations that don’t destroy life. You can’t pass on values and morals to a non-existent generation.

  50. #423994
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    You can’t pass on values and morals to a non-existent generation.

    Apparently we, as a society, can’t even pass those values and morals down to the kids who actually make it into the world.

  51. #424006
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Apparently we, as a society, can’t even pass those values and morals down to the kids who actually make it into the world.

    We could if the courts and teachers unions weren’t doing their best to destroy parental authority. According to a Californicating court, parental rights end at the school house door.

  52. #424012
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:17 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    We could if the courts and teachers unions weren’t doing their best to destroy parental authority. According to a Californicating court, parental rights end at the school house door.

    Exactly. Which is why we have to fight against liberal indoctrination of our children. They aren’t having nearly as many as conservatives, so they have to “win” converts through other means…

  53. #424017
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, sambo said:

    Dexter Alarius said:

    I bet those kids have some hurt knuckles on Monday morning.

    Wow, what an incredibly uninformed, stereotyping thing to say. I guess us Bitter Clingers can’t indoctrinate our kids without beating morals into them, huh?

    Was kidding with EQ…a fellow Catholic and a good conservative commenter!

  54. #424021
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Not to get too far off the thread, but there is a lawsuit filed in Italy to have Baptism and religious education for children declared illegal and child-abuse. Don’t think it can’t happen here!

    “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

  55. #424026
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, John Ansell said:

    Good for them. And the networks are going to cover it in 5….4….3…never

  56. #424028
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:24 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Was kidding with EQ…a fellow Catholic and a good conservative commenter!

    Roger, that. Sorry. I’m a little sensitive to Christian bashing.

  57. #424034
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Not to get too far off the thread, but there is a lawsuit filed in Italy to have Baptism and religious education for children declared illegal and child-abuse. Don’t think it can’t happen here!

    A link would be helpful. That’s appalling.

  58. #424039
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Actually, here’s the link. The suit was dropped (thank God).

    GROSSETO, Italy — A group promoting anti-religious causes has dropped a legal bid to end baptisms in Italy after an Alliance Defense Fund-allied attorney became involved on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church and a bishop.

    “It’s unthinkable to ask the government to force the church to abandon one of its sacraments to appease a radical, anti-religious agenda, yet that’s what this activist group did,” said ADF-allied attorney Gianfranco Amato.

    “All parents have the right to raise their children in their religious tradition, which obviously includes participation in the historic rituals associated with that religion,” said ADF Senior Counsel Joseph Infranco. “This was a preposterous lawsuit, and we are pleased that it has been dropped. Americans should be aware that such lawsuits may seem far-fetched, but they really are happening…and foreign legal decisions are increasingly cited in American courts.”

    The Italian Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics filed suit in an attempt to end the baptism of children in Italy. The group claimed that the practice encroached upon their religious freedom and violated principles stated by the Italian Constitutional Court pertaining to free will and personal privacy regarding religious decisions.

    UAAR also claimed that because the law does not allow the parents to enroll their children in certain organizations, such as trade unions, the law also “does not allow, as well, that the parents may decide their children become members of a religious association.”

  59. #424040
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Doh! The lawsuit was dropped.

  60. #424043
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, sambo said:

    No problem Dexter. It sounded like I hit a nerve which I guess is worse than the knuckles (which I deserved btw).

  61. #424047
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Roger, that. Sorry. I’m a little sensitive to Christian bashing.

    Dexter – I understand. Believe me, as sambo said, I’m a good Catholic/conservative commenter. I would definitely hold my own against religion-bashers (and have). ;)

  62. #424057
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Sambo,
    I have to admit to some inconsistency myself. I spent 12 years in purgatory Catholic schools and had my share of sore knuckles… and don’t really object to corporal punishment meted out fairly. Usually, just the possibility is enough to keep unruliness to a minimum. That’s not the norm these days, though. I’m sure the kids in EQ’s classes already have a firm moral foundation upon which she is building.

  63. #424070
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I’m sure the kids in EQ’s classes already have a firm moral foundation upon which she is building.

    I meet with them on Sunday mornings, so they’re usually well-behaved. ;)

  64. #424074
    On August 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pm, trappedinnj said:

    I have no problem calling BHO a “baby killer”. Considering his position as a state senator representing Chicago, you may even argue he’s an “African American baby killer”.

    Check this out.
    http://www.blackgenocide.com

  65. #424089
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    # 44 Thank you for the excellent history.

    I fear God more than man…

    The practice of “child sacrifice” was punished by God…
    warning given via the prophets…
    generally 40 years were given for God’s people to clean up their act …
    then …
    God took over….

    Roe v Wade….40 years is coming up…

  66. #424090
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, sambo said:

    Dexter Alarius

    I responded to your comment but somehow it was lost. In the short, I am 100 % in agreement.

    Funny how parents whose kids have a firm moral foundation feel different about discipline than the ones who object to corporal punishment.

  67. #424094
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:04 pm, sambo said:

    Christian Soldier said:
    Roe v Wade….40 years is coming up…

    Privacy equals killing babies…I still don’t get it. We need to force the Libs to pass a real abortion bill instead of hiding behind privacy like cowards.

  68. #424103
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:10 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Privacy equals killing babies…I still don’t get it.

    Yeah. I’d like to see someone make the case that abusing their children is a “private” matter and the government shouldn’t interfere…it amounts to the same darned thing.

  69. #424116
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, sambo said:

    englishqueen01 said:
    Privacy equals killing babies…I still don’t get it.
    Yeah. I’d like to see someone make the case that abusing their children is a “private” matter and the government shouldn’t interfere…it amounts to the same darned thing.

    They have it backwards. Discipline is a “private” matter (within reason) and some local governments have been trying to legislate it!!! They didn’t want to let a mother embarrass her kid by making her hold a sign…wtf

  70. #424119
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:22 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    The words “privacy” and “abortion” never appear in the Constitution. THe 1973 SCOTUS smelled them from ‘emanations’ of ‘penumbras’ from 3 or 4 different ammendments. I got yer emanations right here, buddy!

  71. #424155
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:43 pm, vickisoup said:

    They didn’t want to let a mother embarrass her kid

    …but it’s OK to kill it before it’s born.
    “wtf” is right.
    :roll:

  72. #424156
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    I used to live in Denver for 12 years from 75-87 and since then I became very dissipointed about how liberal Denver has become but this gives me a new hope in the Mile High folks. Back then I would have to say I was liberal in some ways but conservative in most ways. I’m ashamed to say this but I was involved in two abortions (if I could only turn back the clock). Since then my eyes have been opened and I am 100% against abortion. When I leave this world, after seeing my Savior, the 1st thing I’m going to do is look up a couple children that I was partly responsible in killing and beg their forgiveness. It’s been over 20 years and I still get tears in my eyes when I think of what I allowed to happen to two of my precious unborn. Vote for obama……….over MY dead body!!

  73. #424159
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:48 pm, atheling said:

    Archbishop Chaput of Denver gave a stinging rebuke to Nancy Pelosi and other pseudo Catholic politicians:

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is a gifted public servant of strong convictions and many professional skills. Regrettably, knowledge of Catholic history and teaching does not seem to be one of them. Interviewed on Meet the Press August 24, Speaker Pelosi was asked when human life begins. She said the following:

    “I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition . . . St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know. The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose.”

    Abortion kills an unborn, developing human life. It is always gravely evil, and so are the evasions employed to justify it. Catholics who make excuses for it – whether they’re famous or not – fool only themselves and abuse the fidelity of those Catholics who do sincerely seek to follow the Gospel and live their Catholic faith.

    I note that not only does he call abortion evil, but the evasions employed to justify it are also evil.

  74. #424168
    On August 27th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, atheling said:

    CoffeeGuzzler:

    The following is the message from Pope John Paul II (in his encyclical “The Gospel of Life”) to women:

    “I would now like to say a special word to women who have had an abortion. The Church is aware of the many factors which may have influenced your decision, and she does not doubt that in many cases it was a painful, and even shattering, decision. The wound in your heart may not yet have healed. Certainly what happened was and remains terribly wrong. But do not give in to discouragement and do not lose hope. Try rather to understand what happened and face it honestly. If you have not already done so, give yourselves over with humility and trust to repentance. The Father of mercies is ready to give you his forgiveness and his peace in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. You will come to understand that nothing is definitively lost and you will also be able to ask forgiveness from your child, who is now living in the Lord. With the friendly and expert help and advice of other people, and as a result of your own painful experience, you can be among the most eloquent defenders of everyone’s right to life. Through your commitment to life, whether by accepting the birth of other children or by welcoming and caring for those most in need of someone to be close to them, you will become promoters of a new way of looking at life.”

  75. #424191
    On August 27th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Thanks atheling

  76. #424219
    On August 27th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, TypicalWhite said:

    How can we stand such national moral relativism? A baby is worthy of life and love on my say-so? A baby is worthy of death and a trip to the trash can on my say-so?

    “The least of these,” Mr. Obama, remember??

  77. #424227
    On August 27th, 2008 at 7:20 pm, Micheleeroo said:

    #10: Whoa!

  78. #424242
    On August 27th, 2008 at 7:37 pm, lgm said:

    Let’s admit it, many or most of the people who are anti abortion are actually anti sex. The Catholic Church, for example, forbids birth control because having sex is only for making babies, not having pleasure. Many “family values” conservatives would ban birth control if they could.

    They’ve talked themselves into thinking they want to protect the “unborn child”, but it hardly makes sense to call a zygote a “child”.

  79. #424254
    On August 27th, 2008 at 7:55 pm, atheling said:

    Let’s face it. Kapo lgm and his Nazi masters want to kill anyone who they deem undesireable.

  80. #424261
    On August 27th, 2008 at 8:05 pm, Digshot said:

    Somebody’s got too much time on their hands.

  81. #424272
    On August 27th, 2008 at 8:28 pm, CWinNY said:

    EQ,

    After reading the link you provided (the descriptions about abortions) I felt a chill like I have never felt before. Thanks – I needed that.

    Since you seem to be well versed in the pro-life movement could you educate me (provide links or sites I can visit) that I can find out more about what is proposed to combat the current laws. Any laws that would declare that rights begin at conception (same time as life) would effectively put an end to some effective practices at fertility clinics (specifically in vitro fertilization).

    I have a nephew and a niece that are the result of my sisters visits to fertility clinics. I would hate to see this stopped as the result of unintended consequences.

  82. #424479
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:06 pm, teachem2 said:

    lgm, it’s obvious you are not a Catholic or either a woefully ignorant one.

    Catholic Church Teachings on Birth Control

    Back to the subject of abortion and the DNC, I wonder how many pro-abortion rigts women have lost babies through natural means. Personally, I lost two babies in one year and it’s horrifically devastating to say the least. Going through those experiences puts an entirely new perspective on the value of life and exactly when it begins. Holding a pro-abortion stance shows the shallowness of experience and lack of understanding of life itself.

    Come to think of it, that does describe the DNC perfectly.

  83. #424522
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:24 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    The Catholic Church, for example, forbids birth control because having sex is only for making babies, not having pleasure. Many “family values” conservatives would ban birth control if they could.

    You’re such a jerk. I’m so sick of people saying we’re anti-sex. We’re not anti-sex, but sex (like everything else) has situations where it is and isn’t appropriate.

    The Catholic teaching on birth control does require a couple to be open to life at all times. It also, however, follows natural law and helps couples be fully open to each other.

    Unlike liberals, the Catholic Church does not treat fertility as an illness because it isn’t. Instead, fertility is part of a normal, healthy person’s biology. Marriage is about giving one’s self completely to one’s husband/wife – this includes everything about the person…including fertility.

    Instead, liberals treat it like an illness and pregnancy like a fatal cancer, and they have no problem encouraging women to pump their bodies full of synthetic hormones that harm them and pollute the planet.

    In his encyclical, Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI predicted the following:

    …a general lowering of moral standards throughout society; a rise in infidelity; a lessening of respect for women by men; and the coercive use of reproductive technologies by governments

    All those things have come to pass. Indeed, the pro-abortion men on this board have gone into the realm of the unthinkable in their disrespect for women.

    Your statement shows you’re also woefully ignorant about women’s biology and cycles. In most women, the cycle lasts 28-40 days, with the most fertile days falling at 3-5 days in the middle. All the indicators of fertility are easily tracked with a basal thermometer and simple instruction regarding other markers. I, personally, use something called the Baby Comp.

    There are only 3-5 days a month that I’m fertile and should avoid sex if I don’t want a child. 3-5 days. You can’t abstain for 3-5 days?

    Guess not. In your lust for booty, you don’t give a damn about the women you sleep with – like Paul VI predicted.

    Couples who practice NFP appropriately have “contraception” rates on par with condoms and the pill, women have a better understanding of their bodies, they report more satisfaction with their sex lives, have more sex, and have significantly lower divorce rates. (Source)

    I’d rather have “family values” conservatives who don’t encourage the ritualistic murder of the unborn like the Democrats do. It’s hard to pretend you care about children and families when you think it’s okay to murder children – and destroy the family.

  84. #424548
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:34 pm, atheling said:

    EQ:

    Well done. And Pope Paul wrote that in the 60’s.

    How prescient.

  85. #424556
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Well done. And Pope Paul wrote that in the 60’s.

    How prescient.

    Yep. Everything he predicted has come to pass. He never wrote another encyclical – he caught hell for Humane Vitae.

    But he was right. 100% right.

    And I’m so glad I listen to him.

  86. #424566
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:40 pm, Exitus said:

    Well, in the amount of time it took me to reset my password (darn antivirus gets rid of cookies too) I apparently got ninja’d by EQ. Good post. Still, I have to weigh in. I absolutely love how liberals (and even a lot of conservatives) like to tell me what I believe. I never could have figured it out without them!

    Firstly, I am lucky enough to attend a religious college, and therefore avoid most of the professors like him.

    Secondly, my religion (and I’m assuming most other “anti-sex” religions) does not discourage sex. In fact, it encourages it. The catch, however, is that you must be willing to make the commitment of marriage, and be willing to live with the ‘consequences’. If you are not mature enough to marry and take care of the child, you are not mature enough to deal with the other consequences of sex.

    Thirdly, most of the attitudes against birth control from churches (and I am NOT speaking from any position of authority) tend to be such because birth control encourages random sex. I know I personally would have no problem with a married couple using a condom or the pill because they did not feel they are ready to have children. But if they are ‘unlucky’ they have the family unit to keep it and love it.

    Fourth, even if the ‘unthinkable’ happens, adoption is the best alternative. There are many different levels of interaction between birth and adoptive parents, and the demand for newborns far outstrips the supply (that sounds…interesting, but anyway). My parents were unable to have children, so my three siblings and I are all adopted. Four years between each because of how long the waiting list is. Our parents love us all the same as they would any of their own, and if we don’t always get along, we all support each other when things go to heck.

    EQ, I also remember you saying (I think it was you) that you were born on the anniversary of Roe vs. Wade. I was as well. I always think about that on my birthday, especially due to the fact that it would have been easy for my (I think) illegal immigrant birth mother to go to one of margaret sanger’s death houses and ‘get rid’ of me. But she decided to carry me to term and never see me again. All I know about her is on my birth certificate, but I will always love her for her choice.

  87. #424575
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:44 pm, atheling said:

    Exitus:

    Bless your mother for choosing life for you.

  88. #424590
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:49 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Here, here, Queenie!

    From a non-Catholic perspective (birth control is not sinful) sex is a God-given institution between a man and wife. Satan has perverted was God has created and convinced the heathen (read lgm (Gertrude) and he/she/it’s ilk)that poking anything with an orifice is “good and natural”. It’s not. It’s perversion and an abomination (Obamanation?) in the sight of God. Yet I’d bet Gertrude can’t or won’t read the Word of God to even see what we Christians believe.

  89. #424601
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:51 pm, atheling said:

    PatriotRider:

    You are aware that many forms of birth control are abortifascients, aren’t you?

  90. #424608
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:53 pm, teachem2 said:

    Great post EQ. You said it all and you said it well.

  91. #424645
    On August 27th, 2008 at 10:59 pm, PatriotRider said:

    I don’t consider killing the unborn “birth control”. RU486 and DNC are abominations. A raincoat, or the pill are reasonable choices.

  92. #424651
    On August 27th, 2008 at 11:01 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    EQ, I also remember you saying (I think it was you) that you were born on the anniversary of Roe vs. Wade.

    Yes, it was me. The 10th “anniversary”.

    Thanks to everyone for their kind compliments.

  93. #424653
    On August 27th, 2008 at 11:03 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    By the way, and OT, but if you’re ever looking for an awesome night prayer, listen to Compline from the Benedictine Monks at New Melleray Abbey in Peosta, IA.

    The audio does not do the prayer justice – it’s 100x better in person.

    It gives me such a great sense of peace.

  94. #424655
    On August 27th, 2008 at 11:05 pm, atheling said:

    PatriotRider:

    The pill can also acts as an abortifascient by preventing the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus.

    That is still abortion.

  95. #424663
    On August 27th, 2008 at 11:25 pm, garydt said:

    LGM you should not sterotype Christians and Catholics by branding that they are all anti-sex. God has given us sex in the binds of marriage and I don’t think your arguments for aborting and pre-marital sex, adultry to the Lord on Judgement Day will wash. I don’t think you could show your face to Him when that time comes. By the way which abortion clinic was bombed today LGM?

  96. #424665
    On August 27th, 2008 at 11:31 pm, rommsey said:

    Destroys
    Non-born
    Children

    or
    Destroys
    Not-yet-born
    Children…

    lol

  97. #424672
    On August 27th, 2008 at 11:58 pm, mikeg said:

    EQ you go girl!!!

  98. #424677
    On August 28th, 2008 at 12:05 am, atheling said:

    Ooooh, another rebuke to Pelosi from Cardinal Egan:

    “What the Speaker had to say about theologians and their positions regarding abortion was not only misinformed; it was also, and especially, utterly incredible in this day and age,” stated a “shocked” Cardinal Egan.

    Pointing to the fact that modern technology allows one to view a human baby in the womb, he continued by saying, “In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons.”

    The Cardinal went on to strongly denounce Pelosi’s pro-abortion position: “No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are, as they smile and wave into the world outside the womb.”

    “Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being ‘chooses’ to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name,” concluded Cardinal Egan.

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