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Doesn’t Miller sponsor deviant activities?
Marxist ideology doesn’t allow for human rights, let alone baby rights. What about the babies right to life? When they say a woman’s right to choose, they leave out the fact the very choice is about life and death.
Everything but the coat hanger, doctor’s appointment, and trash can.
Careful, that paradox may cause a few troll heads to explode.
I know I’m the “pro-choice troll” here and I risk getting yelled at from every corner of the Internet…
But what’s the big deal?
I was expecting something that would be making light of the decision to have an abortion or making light of the procedure. Something that would make abortion seem like a lark.
That isn’t the case though. It’s a lame pun on “can” that if filled with inoffensive swag. Bottle openers and buttons are common swag items. They’re a lanyrard away from the swag trifecta. No one is making light of abortion or undermining its seriousness.
This seems like getting riled up for the sake of getting riled up.
Maybe they could include some cement booties to attach to any aborted humans who are lucky enough to survive the barbaric procedure. I am sure Obama would think that’s all and well since he believes they don’t deserve any protection.
This is absolutely disgusting. I find it horribly disturbing that a segment of our population actually celebrates the right to murder those who are our most vulnerable and helpless. They are given an opportunity to show mercy, and they stomp on it and show vile wickedness.
They are thinking if the child has FAS it might assuage their guilt for the act they are about to commit. Obama believes in abortion in the fourth tri-mester anyway.
I was getting ready to “yell” at you, but you just took the fun out of that course of action.
Damn you and your preemptive caveats!
You are right Rusty, twice. You are probably going to get yelled at, and to paraphrase – just because something is said to lighten the subject doesn’t mean the subject is taken lightly. BUT, if there is any subject that perhaps shouldn’t be taken lightly it is THE abortion. Make fun of the doctor, make fun of the protestors, makefun of NARAL, make fun of the woman making this terrible decision if you must. Please don’t make light of the proccess.
But they weren’t making fun of the process. Unless there’s something here that is over my head.
Another caveat: I understand why abortion is offensive to people here. I am just trying to figure out what is especially offensive about the NARAL can.
As vile as this sort of stuff is, it’s good that they do it – it exposes these people for the amoral, unscrupulous phonies that they are and reduces their ability to put forth a valid pro-abortion argument.
Does it also say they can seal up the remains of their baby in it before they throw it in the garbage?
Abortion is an evil. These swag bags make light of the fact that a separate individual dies during an abortion. The mother lives, if she doesn’t get a quack, but carries the scars forever.
But, then again, nothing can get in the way of the left’s love of baby killing.
It demonstrates they care more for the issue of abortion than they do about women. They have ceded a ton of credibility in their argument, with this offensive act.
“Inside the “fun games” booklet there were crosswords, jumbles, a connect-the-dot game and a maze where you had to find your way out of John McCain’s reproductive policies.”
Hey ladies, keep your reproductive organs away from others reproductive organs and you won’t have to worry about it. I hate how they have made it seem as if pregnancies just “happen” like cancer or something.
Rusty, because swag and fun don’t go well with death and destuction. I am the furthest from politically correct, I can poke fun about almost anything. This is a little like whole wheat croissants. No good purpose.
Sometimes you can actually see why we make certain arguments without agreeing with us. You understand both parts of the argument. This time you’ve totally missed the boat, by 10,000 MILES! If this were about human rights of terrorist detainees, Rusty would be all over it like white on rice, but this is about defensive little babies. The rights of the criminal and terrorist are more important than babies right to life. Wonderful.
/s/
José
They didn’t have any credibility to begin with.
Abortion is not about a woman’s body – unless women have two hearts, two brains, two sets of lungs, and two unique DNA sequences.
It’s about murder. Period. Getting rid of a “thing” that’s not “convenient” to someone.
And – as many of the pro-aborts here have shown time and again – they don’t give a sh*t about the women who’ve had supposedly “safe, legal” abortion and died, or lived with the mental/emotional/physical scars for the rest of their lives.
Those women are anomalies, inconvenient truths that need to be ignored, downplayed, and hidden. Screw them and their suffering, as far as pro-aborts are concerned.
No one who claims to be “compassionate” and care about the “little guy” would ever support abortion. It is the polar opposite of compassion.
And, indeed, it’s no coincidence the right to life was listed first – before liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is not a big deal because you don’t care about the unborn.
I read through the article. Can you tell me what are John McCain’s reproductive policies? Has John McCain prevented anyone from getting their abortion?
Michelle did not post this to be earth shattering news. She was showing how tacky liberals are. Do you really believe the mantra that liberals want abortion to be rare?
And yet the left gets all teary eyed and outraged when you bring up the death penalty.
I guess to all of us on both sides of both issues, some lives are worth more than others. To me, an unborn child with a promising future is much more valuable than a cop killer. Even if he has written a children’s book while his 20 years of appeals are in process.
To a liberal, just the opposite is true (although chances are pretty good that a murdered child won’t get the chance to write a book).
I’m with you, NDgal.
Why am I not surprised by your reaction to this, Rusty. Abortion kills babies. Its wrong. What part of that don’t you understand.
Yep. In this world, fertility is an illness and pregnancy a fatal disease.
Sad, really.
Good point for a pro-choicer, surprisingly . I’ve always thought I was never shocked at anything these morons come up with, but treating this subject with humor goes WAY over the top!
Yeah, but if you take so much as a sip of wine during your pregnancy – “OMG! You’re the WORST. PARENT. EVER!”
Have your child systematically ripped apart in your womb, and you’re a paragon of freedom.
Sounds like Sudden Burden Syndrome
should have put a ? on the end there. oops
It’s offensive because the pro-choice argument is about aborting a fetus and not a human life. They say it this way to devalue the life and make it about the woman’s right to choose. Putting it on a can makes the argument very trashy and cheap. It goes along with their argument of devaluing and sacrificing human rights in exchange for a choice on life and death by the woman.
Even more of a paragon if you wait till it has come out of the womb first. Why limit yourself?
It’s always about “issues” with these people.
WHAT??? They left out the “I [heart] my abortion provider” bumper sticker. I have seen that on a car BTW and it was the most disgusting thing I have seen to minimize abortion – until now.
When was the last time that a democrat saw self-sacrifice as a good thing?
Self-sacrifice is something that helps us to grow spiritually, it’s a good thing. To give is better than to receive. Giving is best done voluntarily, otherwise it is not giving, its larceny.
A can opener? I wonder if this is NARAL’s offering to the green movement?
Doing away with pull-tabs, and going back to “puncture and suck?” If so, it is horrible symbolism!!!
Yeah. Why? I mean it would be much more difficult to put the born baby up for adoption and never see him again…so just kill it!
This goes back to my assertion pro-aborts believe an abortion is no different than a haircut. As inconsequential and as painless.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Oh, and by the way, my ever-classy Congresswoman – Gwen Moore – got on stage with a handful of condoms and said she needed to “protect” herself from McCain.
Tacky, the lot of ‘em.
Kind of OT, but have you ever seen some of the pro-choice t-shirts at cafe press? I heart abortion??? They probably make them in infant sizes too. Sick.
On August 28th, 2008 at 4:40 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
Oops didn’t see your post, but we’re on the same track.
Hey, why doesn’t NARAL give out abortion points for each abortion you have or talk someone into getting? If you get enough abortion points, you get to have lunch with the Obamas!
Or perhaps a frequent abortion card. Get your card stamped each time you get an abortion, and when you get 10 stamps, the next abortion is free, and comes with a complimentary ice cream cone!
No problem NDgal and my friends call me soap! I have seen those shirts and that is just as sick. I have not seen one worn in public – yet.
I just don’t get it. These people are below slime.
The pro-choice camps should refocus their efforts on more of a….hmmmm…lets see…how about a
pro-”tie-your-damn-tubes-if-you-don’t-want-to-get-pregnant” campaign. Oh, but they would have to actually alter their own bodies in that case.
That is better than murdering I would think.
We could give them cans where inside they would find nylon strings…you know…for the “swag” or whatever the hell they call it.
It’s sad that they make such “fun” over abortion. It just goes to show that our society and culture is still “barbarian”, and civilization has yet to come to our world. Perhaps one day it will, but not in my lifetime.
I find this more disturbing than the cartoon.
Rusty, where do you think the baby goes once aborted ? Do you think that the body is auotmaticlly sent to heaven? No it is place in a bag and put in a CAN !!!! Abortion is a sick practice and any good christian knows this. How can any political party claim to be all about the common man and support abortion is an oxy moron. How can a polictical party say they are for the family and still say abortion is ok ?
No he hasn’t. But he sure would like to with judges that would overturn Roe (which I don’t think would be out of line…Roe is pretty ridiculous). But that’s obviously something that would be harmful to pro-choicers.
I get the feeling that people who find this offensive are looking for over-the-top reverence to fetuses that is out of line for a political ideology that puts women’s bodies ahead of fetuses. The NARAL can is in no way disrespectful and it doesn’t even monkey around with sanctity of life issues. It’s just a bunch of pro-choice merchandise in a “creative” packaging (scare quotes for lameness of pun).
Yes I do. It’s why organizations like Planned Parenthood distribute condoms, prescribe birth control, and offer other forms of family planning. It’s why liberals think it’s so important to have comprehensive sex ed and condom distribution in schools. We don’t think that stuff just to rile social conservatives up, you know.
Tacky is right. I’m not “riled” up, but I think it’s definitely bad taste at the very least.
If you’re anti-choice, shouldn’t you be using “he/she” instead of “it.”
In all seriousness, if that’s what NARAL is referring to, that’s beyond the pale. But I seriously doubt that was their intent. I think NARAL’s goal is to get Senator Obama elected and they used his big line.
Doesn’t everyone understand abortionist humor?
Rusty the masochist
From all your previous post I know your about personal freedom. What you fail to understand is all of give up some freedoms to be part of a organized society. This is about the possible dangers of a government setting arbitrary time standards on the what life is. The basic measured value of any other social condition may have gray areas but not abortion.
Not life and death.
What’s with this anti-choice thing anyway. I’m all for choice, I just choose the life of the innocent baby. The woman’s choice came when she decided to have sex knowing what the outcome could be. And please don’t bring the rape argument up here!
I’m not getting the link
Linky no worky for me.
Rusty, I would like to recommend that you read Tammy Bruce’s books. What she does in her “The New Thought Police” book, and on some level in her others, is shed light on what goes on in the dark rooms of these movements, and the cavalier way they plot their nefarious schemes. It would not surprise me at all to learn that NARAL was doing exactly what MM has inferred.
I am a big Tammy Bruce fan, though there are issues on which we vehemently disagree, the issue of abortion being foremost among those.
Not to suggest that she knows who the *bleep* I am, but just sayin’…..
She’s a great read, IMHO.
Rusty, have you ever held a baby or do you just play with dolls?
Hey-O!
Wow, making light of something that has destroyed so many lives and minds. I have a feeling my Mom, someone that had to have an abortion for health reasons, won’t be laughing and dying to get her hands on one of those bottle openers.
That is why it’s so offensive, abortion isn’t just a funny little birth control for everyone. It isn’t for the babies that have been taken away too soon for a choice, and it isn’t for the people that have had to do it to save their own life.
graysonret, it isn’t OUR culture that’s barbaric. It’s the godless ‘progressives’ culture that should be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are beyond disgusting people.
I never gave this topic much thought when I was in my twenties. Now, in my forties, married with children, I understand why the abortion debate is seminal.*
*Even as I finished writing that sentence, I realized the pun. Forgive me, for I have sinned…
Anyway, abortion is the defining issue of our time, because it reveals the type of people Americans want to be: For the lives and rights of children, our most innocent; or, for the rights of deviants and death row criminals, our worst.
I CHOOSE the former. Pro-Life and anti-Murder.
Saying that abortion is complicated is like saying the sun is going to come up tomorrow. Unless you die, chances are it’s going to in somebody’s world. When you take it to a comedy club level, it says a lot about us, our neighbors, our society. It’s sick, morbid, and leaves our humanity in shambles – yet we are glued to TV screens when a child goes missing. Every head turns when an Amber Alert is issued. Can we at least add those aborted to the statistics of missing children? How about a milk carton or can?
I thought about this as I was driving today. Being a Christian means, well, besides the whole gospel thing, that you are to be as Christ-like as possible, as much as possible. That’s where “What Would Jesus Do?” came from. You find yourself in every day situations, ie, the check-out girl at the grocery store gave you too much money back – WWJD? So here’s my point – How can ANYONE who claims to be a Christian believe that Jesus would side with “a woman’s right to choose” over abortion? If you believe that, then you are just lying to yourself. There is one thing that Christians are good at, and that’s knowing when they are lying to themselves – you know, the whole guilt thing. I saw the sonogram of my son at 6 weeks. I saw his heart, and I saw it beating. I think that Jesus knows that my son is more than a “fetus”. I think that pro-choicers know this as well, they just can’t call him what he really is because then, well, you’re killing a human baby! They also must have a cause to champion – “We are for the woman’s rights! We are champions of causes!” This makes them feel better.
Another point that goes right along with this – the Left wants to make the whole abortion issue out to be about crazy right-wing Christian zealots against the rest of the world – “Theocracy!” Question. Do you really have to be a Christian to believe that abortion is wrong, and well, murder? Can you take God out of the equation and make a reasonable argument that, yes, abortion is killing a baby? I really don’t think that it’s so hard, so, here goes: Do you, Mr. non-God-believing-Lefty, believe that killing a 30 year old in cold blood should be a punishable crime? Yes? So, even though you don’t believe in God, you think that murder is wrong. OK, would you, Mr. non-God-believing-Lefty, have a problem if, right in front of you, I gutted a pregnant dog and performed my own quasi-caesarian on her, yanked out one of those puppy “fetuses”, and splattered it with a sledgehammer – right in front of you. Would you have a problem with that? I saw my son’s sonogram at 6 weeks. I saw his heart, and I saw it beating.
These people are sick beyond belief… ‘fun’ pro-abortion puzzles? Consciences seared as with a hot iron.
Rusty, I guess they should pass out little electric chairs at the RNC because conservatives support the death penalty. They can have little buzzer woopie cushions on them? Quite insensitive don’t you think. Regardless of a persons “view” on abortion or the death penalty, both involve someone’s life ey?
NARAL is not the DNC.
They aren’t trying to make abortion fun, they’re trying to make their activism exciting.
Oh, how I tire of Malkin’s constant, deliberate campaigns of misinformation …
Omu – please reference what tires you of “Malkin’s constant, deliberate campaigns of misinformation…” Also, could you please enlighten us about “trying to make their activism exciting” – I have yet to find a member of NARAL that is not in the DNC. Names please.
No you don’t have to be a Christian to be anti-abortion.
A couple points to make here. Like illegal drugs, if abortion is illegal it will still be around. Second point on that is don’t make me pay for your abortion….or your kid. You want a kid or an abortion?…. go right ahead and pay for it yourself. I’m not voluntarily paying for it.
That’s why this whole system is screwed up. People screw, then they have kids, then they’re lookin’ at yours truely to help them pay for THEIR problem. Sheesh I gotta feed, educate, and medicate other peoples kids.
AND THEN there’s others that want ME to pay for THEIR abortion.
Funny how in all this taking my money to resolve other folks lust problems they NEVER offer ME a piece of the pie.
Not that I’d want any…but it would be nice to ask.
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RNC…=…REALLY NEED CHILDREN
Instead of bitching at the DNC for Destroying Newborns or whatever you say..
Why not start getting the white people to have MORE! We are going extinct!
We should encourage the poor, loser, anchor mommas to abort their anchor babies and encourage the white, intellectuals to have more..
RNC…=…REALLY NEED CHILDREN!!!!!
Rusty, Does killing an innocent life not seem alot like Hitler ? Trying to remove a human being is murder. How ia a person who has an abortion different ftom Hitler. Tell me if you can cause i see no difference. A MURDERER IS A MURDERER. How can you defend it when the person being murdered is unable to defend itself. What if we just put gags on all criminals so they have no rights just like a aborted child. do you think that would be ok and justified ?
Don’t worry. You’ve enver paud for an abortion and no one (except for Rudy Guiliani!) advocates tax monies going to abortions.
As for paying for kids, SCHIP, welfare, food stamps, and other social programs can literally be a matter of life and death. It is not pro-life to deny starving families a hand up.
As for Hitler arguments, no. Comparing a person to a fetus isn’t scientifically accurate. If you want to make argument about souls, that’s fine, but that’s a religious argument and that’s not how we make our laws here. You can think that abortion is murder and you can advocate making it illegal. All your perogative. But comparing it to Hitler? Come on. By your standards, I could compare anything to Hitler. Capital punishment? War without being provoked. All stuff Hitler supported!
Rusty said:
Tell me, Rusty, what scientific finding proves that a fetus is not a person?
You’re right. I wrote sloppily. I apologize.
To be honest, I don’t think where abortion is legally acceptable and personhood is bestowed should necessarily match. Personhood is created at birth since that’s when the fetus no longer depends on the mother for survival. However, I reamin opposed to post-viability abortions even though fetuses at seven months are still not people.
But this is my belief, not science. You win the point. Still, fetuses have never been treated as people either legally or scientifically.
You’re right. I wrote sloppily. I apologize.
To be honest, I don’t think where abortion is legally acceptable and personhood is bestowed should necessarily match. Personhood is created at birth since that’s when the fetus no longer depends on the mother for survival. However, I reamin opposed to post-viability abortions even though fetuses at seven months are still not people.
But this is my belief, not science. You win the point. Still, fetuses have never been treated as people either legally or scientifically.
Whoops. Usually WordPress yells at me when I accidentally double post.
Rusty, as a mother of three, and as a person who as a teenager elected to have an abortion, I have to say you are wrong on all counts. This diminishes the act of an abortion beyond just a woman’s right. It is an attempt to minimize the act as a minor event like putting on make up or filing your finger nails. Even if you agree with abortion when it comes time to make the decision it is a very grave decision and a moment that should not be diminished with frivolity or an appearance of ‘party’ on. I dare say you would treat your pet dog or cat better than this.
“Personhood” as you call it does not begin after birth. Why do you think there is so much study done regarding the impact to the child during pregnancy? For example studies regarding: playing music and reading to the ‘child’ in your womb produces an intelligent child. The impact that different types of stress or traumatic events the mother experiences during her pregnancy that can cause personality disorders in the child
Having studied these researches and practicing them (music and reading) on my children, I can tell you it works. How glib of you to decide they are not people. I made a very large mistake as a teenager. But, now that I am an adult I recognize my limited knowledge and ignorance.
Rusty, science is and will continue to prove you wrong with regards to when life or personhood as you put it begins.
People do that stuff to have the best person they can. That’s parenting. If one doesn’t want to be a parent, then it’s a totally different scenario.
I don’t agree with abortion, I agree with others having the option, but I think you said what Mrs. Malkin was bothered by better than anyone. I still disagree though. This isn’t trying to make abortion seem lighthearted. It’s trying to encourage choice activism.
If I were on the other side of the aisle, I may not see the distinction either. But it’s a distinction nevertheless. This does not make light of abortion. I would oppose that. This is just swag to get their name and cause out there.
Rusty, that is only addressing half of the studies. The fact that emotional trauma to the mother impacts the child well on into adulthood refutes your attempt to claim when personhood begins. Your distinction as you call it choice to me only provides choice to one of those inolved. The other that is involved suffers the consequence.
Abortion is a major operation on both. In 1971 I had an abortion paid for by the State of California where abortion has been legal even before Roe V. Wade. That whole republic with states rights thing we should have allowed to play out instead of forcing poor legislation down on the states. I was in a hospital and sent home. Where shortly after I almost died from bleeding to death. This because the Dr. resident at a reknown hospital in Hollywood did not quite complete the procedure mere drop on the head of a pin worth.
This is not a choice to be taken lightly, and this choice always ends up with someone dying and sometimes both end up dying. I was lucky; my unborn child wasn’t. For that I will have to live with my entire life. I know some women who are damaged emotionally for the rest of their lifes. This distinction of choice you speak of is not a distinction, but a selfish assurance that what I am doing is okay because it is legal. An innocent life deserves the opportunity of choice, too. To me that is truly the distinction.
Rusty,
Good Lord I feel sorry for you.
Shifting from fetus to personhood? What the hell is “personhood? You lose the argument on “living”. Then you shift to “science” and lose again. Now your argument is “personhood”.
Why don’t you just become the Christian you claim you are and just agree:
It is a baby, we all agree, the end.
See how simple it is. You never have to change your argument or mind. Besides, you would be on the right side of the argument for a change and do not have to worry about getting pounded because of your stupid, ever changing arguments. I would suggest you hurry before you go as low as Barbara Boxer and your argument becomes, “it is not a baby until you bring it home from the hospital” – and make it a “personhood”.
Soap, I wish it were that easy for me. And, again, I sympathize with your position while disagreeing with it.
Soap, I disagree with you on almost everything, but your stance on abortion (along with EQ’s and plenty of other commenters here) does not bother me.
As for the argument that abortion causes emotional trauma, no it doesn’t. Abortion is a major issue that can can cause emotional trauma to those that are susceptible to it. Heck, giving birth often causes emotional trauma too.
What causes trauma is getting an abortion when one doesn’t want one. (And anyone who urges someone to get an abortion should take a hike…that’s the mother’s decision and her’s alone.)
And what causes trauma is being forced to give birth when one doesn’t want a child. That works both ways.
Wow. How tasteful.
Nice blanket statement. I know women who had abortions as a choice thinking ti was right and have the emotional scars to prove you wrong. But hey, you say it so it HAS to be true. You have NEVER been 100% wrong about anything like you have about that very statement. I will say it again, I feel sorry for you more than ever because you can dismiss the pain these women suffer with decades later as non-existent. There have even been women on this blog who have disagreed with your statement before.
See people, this is how you build a perfect straw men. You don’t even need a stiff breeze to knock it down.
you are fundamentally wrong on the trauma. i have known people that felt it was just a cell, until after the abortion. they couldn’t understand their depression nor could they understand what was going on with them emotionally, because they were on the side of the argument that you are, rusty.
you are not speaking as one from experience, but from some one that has read about the experience. so i guess we agree to just disagree.
There is only one response I can give to NARAL for this latest act: those sonsab****es.
Uh, you don’t know what a straw man is, do you? Some one brought up emotional trauma as a reason why abortion was wrong and I said that was untrue. That is basically the opposite of what a straw man is.
I’d link to the recent APA study that shows abortion does not cause emotional trauma, but why bother? You won’t consider it even though it’s from an objective source and it says that the pressure to have an abortion or keep a child is more likely to cause trauma than the abortion itself. You won’t read it, and if you do, you will immediately dismiss it. So what’s the point?
I’m always presented with stories of women being traumatized by abortion and I am in no place to deny those stories. But those stories are the oppsoite of my experiences and yet I’m supposed to weigh your anecdotes while mine go into the ether.
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This well-meaning comment made by GA.MidnightRider is at least part of the problem why there is even a debate over abortion at all….I would use consciously “he or she” to replace the language temptation of “it”.
Once you start calling a baby “it”
it“he or she” becomes dehumanized..we almost always say “a human” and then we think automatically “he or she” now don’t we?Part of the problem may well be what inside our own brains we connote by the sound or spelling in English of the word “baby”, and forget that a baby will always be a he or she when born, and always will be a human -not a tarantula-in the womb…. Perhaps a defect in our brains yet to be recognized?
(I’m not attacking Ga.Midnight Rider by the way-I agree with him)
RustyI have talked with women who have gone through abortion, who were pro-choice before their procedure, and yes they do suffer afterwards emotionally and some will admit it to their humiliation, but many will keep it to themselves too.
But to say they don’t at all is poppycock from the APA.
Do you ever think that this suffering and depression is probably a direct result of people like you (and Mrs. Malkin) who constantly shout and scream “murder” about abortion? It’s ironic; Christianist ‘conservatives’ so often use negative facts for which they are responsible as a means of denying rights to people. Another example is with gay people – it is the fault of the homophobic bigot Christians that gay people suffer higher rates of depression, but yet still, the same Christians use this very fact as a way to argue that gays are intrinsically disordered, deserve not the right to marriage, etc.
Why are we surprised? Look at what Planned parenthood is doing in Maine, via a local library-
http://www.catholicexchange.com/2008/08/29/113622/
Omu/Rusty
The pro-life movement is not about creating bad feeling and guilt in people. There are those who will use religion and sociological studies in order to validate their position but these arguments won’t hold up constitutionally. What I’ve tried to explain to Rusty and other is the need to set a defendable time period on the beginning of life. Rusty will set his definition of life at a arbitrary time period. What all pro-abortionist fail to see is the danger of a government having arbitrary definition of life and death. This why the only defendable time period is the moment of conception. It is scientifically unchangeable, regardless of those in control of the government. This is not a moral issue, but a battle over limiting power of government regarding life and death.
Omu said:
Liberals, always passing the buck, never taking responsibility…
I was studying Philosophy. All my professors were atheists/agnostics. I was regularly ridiculed for my Bible-based beliefs. My atheist classmates often shouted me down, insulting me. I even had a professor cuss me out in front of the class for mentioning the story of Lot.
Did I feel bad, or guilty because they tried to make me feel bad? Not at all. You see, deep down, I know what is true, and their condemnation does not change that. I don’t need to silence them so I can feel good about who or what I am.
That abortionists and homosexuals cannot do the same speaks volumes.
UH, yes I do. But to take it a step further. A straw man cannot stand on its own. It needs to be propped up by something to give it “backbone”. It is weak on its own and needs a brain.
How does that apply to your statement (I’d link to the recent APA study that shows abortion does not cause emotional trauma)? It was weak, brainless and had no backbone. Your link does nothing to help the women who suffer. You are still telling them to get bent.
Sounds like a pretty good example to me.
…because we all know there is never any guilt on its own. There could never be any guilt by any woman who had an abortion because of remorse. There are plenty of women who suffer with their decision and didn’t need any help to feel guilty about it – it just came on its very own. Then, there are idiots like you and Rusty who diminish their pain and tell them they should go pack sand because “studies showed” they are just liars.
Nice try though – blame the Christians for everything bad. We all know there are NO agnostics or atheists who think abortion is wrong or murder.
I do apologize. I should have used “he” or “She” instead of “it”. I was in a hurry to try to make a point and in my haste i made a mistake. I still think that abortion is no better than being a Hilter. Whether you are the Dr. or the mother. Murder is Murder. You hear all the time that a mind is t terrible thing to waste. WELL SO IS A LIFE !!!!
I re-read my post and I didn’t handle what I was trying to say very well. I owe Ga.MidnightRider
an apology.
I was trying to say that perhaps within all of us because of the way the word “baby” either appears or sounds to our brains as people (you, me, everyone), that this grammatical struggle between using “it” instead of “he or she” is happening, and thus the divide between abortion foes and supporters.
I am squarely in agreement with Ga.MidnightRider on this issue.
I never said they don’t feel pain. Nor that women who do feel guilt are liars. I think highly of most women and I know that choosing an abortion is one of the most difficult decisions a woman could make. If a woman does decide that an abortion is for the best, then we should give that woman sympathy and empathy, not brand her a murdering liberal – people like you only prolong and intensify this suffering.
You know that Christians are the largest and loudest anti-choice organisation.
Hah, you’re comparing the ridicule you got in a single philosophy class to the ridicule, contempt, denial of rights, being told you’re hellbound, not being welcomed in churches, etc. etc. that gays feel? Nice try, but you fail.
The majority of abortion doctors and women who have abortions are not depressed. Like I said, your point fails.