Newsflash: Americans applying for the jobs illegal aliens were doing

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 28, 2008 09:48 AM

But wait. The open-borders folks are always telling us these are jobs Americans won’t do. John “Lettuce” McCain doesn’t think these Americans exist, either. Yet here they are, American citizens lining up to do the work illegal aliens were doing (just like they did after the Colorado Swift raids):

Howard Industries found itself at the center of activity again Tuesday.

Hundreds of job applicants lined up, eager to take advantage of the sudden job openings at the plant located in Jones County, where the unemployment rate is 6.3 percent.

ICE agents on Monday seized 595 plant workers suspected of being in the country illegally. Several workers, who did not identify themselves, said Tuesday they were working and trying to keep the plant operational in the wake of the sudden loss of co-workers.

They said it was common knowledge many of their co-workers were suspected to be illegal.

It’s an idea that maddens Samantha Stevens, 18, of Heidelberg, who was among those who pulled up to Avenue A across from the plant’s entrance throughout the day. She said she has been unable to find a job since she graduated from Heidelberg High School in the spring and blames, in part, the willingness of companies to hire illegal workers.

“We were here first. It’s not fair for them to have a job,” she explained.

Others welcomed the vacancies left by the detained workers.

Gwendolyn Watkins, 40, of Stonewall said she drove 40 miles to Laurel to fill out an application with the electronics maker. She worked at Tower Automotive in Meridian as a production worker for eight months before job cuts in June left her unemployed.

She now hopes to get on at Howard, and said that, while “everyone needs a job,” she believes that legal workers should be the priority.

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  1. #424803
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am, Craig said:

    They said it was common knowledge many of their co-workers were suspected to be illegal.

    Got that Democrats? Got that open border Republicans?

  2. #424804
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am, nlebou said:

    Michelle I just saw this video from Glenn Becks website of you being attacked by protestors. I am so glad to see you on this morning. Please be careful.

  3. #424805
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am, xblade said:

    Nonsense. In Barack AmeriKa, there are no jobs period.

  4. #424806
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am, drivingjack said:

    Who indeed? Will La Raza or the other illegal-loving groups try to sue the company for discrimination? Americans always want to work. Citizens should always have first crack!

  5. #424807
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am, guitarplayer said:

    They said it was common knowledge many of their co-workers were suspected to be illegal.

    That’s why they were applauding as the ICE folks took them away.

  6. #424808
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    I want to see the employers fined and jailed.

  7. #424809
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:56 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Waiting for a liberal to justify why it’s okay these people didn’t have jobs and why it’s horrible the illegal aliens were deported…3…2…1…

  8. #424810
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:57 am, cblesz said:

    WTF??? Wake up…Americans WILL take these jobs. It is just that the illegals have driven wages so low. Americans will take these jobs at reasonable wages. If you get rid of them, wages will not be supressed…

  9. #424811
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:57 am, tiredofit08 said:

    yep taking back those jobs that Americans supposedly won’t do at the wage offered…the unemployment rate is above 5% and I think probably higher in Mississippi…so this is no surprise…let’s see what the company does but from what I’ve heard a lot of the managers are illegal themselves so I wouldn’t hold my breath…

  10. #424812
    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:57 am, cheapseat said:

    gee will wonders never cease. imagine americans wanting jobs presently being done by this generation’s slaves. i saw a show of a maryland crab harvester who hired southern black women for 4 generations, but now those oyster shuckers from nawlins aren’t willing to travel to maryland to do temporary work, so the business has to get it’s slaves from central america. less travel expense don’t you know. and who are todays slave traders, the catholic church which brings them here with sanctuary and promises of jobs.

  11. #424814
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:00 am, txvet2 said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    I want to see the employers fined and jailed.

    Just as long as they aren’t forced out of business, or forced to lay off workers. Those people really need their jobs, and unlike a lot of people who get paid to spend their day chatting on internet BBs, are probably actually producing something.

  12. #424818
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am, DerKrieger said:
  13. #424819
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am, Paul Revere said:

    It’s so ironic how it was the UNION (AFL-CIO) that reported the plant because they were scared for their workers.

  14. #424822
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:04 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Barack Oblahblah…change…change…blahblah…change….no opportunity….blah….change….republicans…..aaaahhhh….change

    Obama is a dunce…as are the people who mindlessly follow him.

    :shock:

  15. #424824
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:00 am, txvet2 said:

    Ummm, doesn’t that include you?

  16. #424825
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am, Mister P said:

    I never could figure out why Americans were unwilling to do Carpentry, or Paint houses or lay bricks. I called ICE 12 years ago about contractors paying Illegals in cash every Friday afternoon two blocks from my house, and they told me it was NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

  17. #424828
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:09 am, maisy said:

    I read that the owners of this company were big donors to McCains campaign…..what a SHOCK!(NOT)
    What’s maddening is there are probably hundreds of such plants filled with illegals taking the places that rightfully belong to American citizens. How disgusting !
    We know this is a show for Bush and cronies…but maybe,just maybe it will start a trend .

  18. #424832
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am, beenthere said:

    . . . jobs Americans won’t do. John “Lettuce” McCain doesn’t think these Americans exist, either.

    Good old John McCain, thinks channeling George Bush on Illegal immigration is the royal road to popularity. Did McCain have a beloved Mexican Nanny too? What is it with these RINO clowns? It is indeed disheartening and infuriating the degree to which establishment Republicans have bought into punitive liberalism. That’s swift thinking, guys.

    So yeah, either way we are so screwed in ‘08, though admittedly with McCain we might have more petroleum . . .

  19. #424834
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:13 am, swmbo said:

    A lot of us work nights txvet2,doing the job Americans want to do. We also like to know what is going on in the real world so we come here. To get the info the MSM doesn’t want us to get.

  20. #424836
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:15 am, englishqueen01 said:

    As someone who’s husband had employment troubles for a while, I can tell you making $6 an hour is better than making $0 an hour. Americans will take these jobs. Liberals haven’t brainwashed all of us into thinking it’s okay to live off the government dole.

  21. #424838
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:16 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Any warm body to fill the position….

    I’m not sure that the fact legal citizens showed up to apply for jobs is a story.

  22. #424841
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am, nlebou said:

    MisterP….We have always done those things for ourselves here. I honestly don’t know very many people who don’t do those things for themselves.

  23. #424842
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:19 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Awesome.

    Honoring the Rule of Law is good for our Republic.

  24. #424843
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:21 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    txvet2, are you hiring illegals? Everyone that works, works for someone. Do we just let everything slide? I did not say anything about closing the business. I said the employer who knowingly hired these people should pay fines and serve some jail time. I guess it wasn’t your social security number they were using so it doesn’t matter to you.

  25. #424844
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:21 am, BobonStatenIsland said:

    Ever watch “Dirty Jobs” and notice almost never is there an illegal alien doing the job?

  26. #424845
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:22 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Speaking of jobs…

    …how many jobs would be created if we allowed drilling in ANWR?

    Speaking of the economy…

    …how much would fuel prices come down and our economy improve if we allowed drilling in ANWR?

    So tell me again…

    …why is John McCain against drilling in ANWR?

  27. #424847
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    “We were here first. It’s not fair for them to have a job,”

    That’s right. Americans FIRST.

  28. #424848
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am, bagoh20 said:

    There are no slaves in this story or this country. Those people were paid well and get all the benefits that citizens get. If they’re slaves what do you call people forced to work for no pay at all? I employ illegals myself as many people do in some parts of the country. I don’t want to, but there is no way to tell if someone is illegal or not. That’s the problem. Think about it. How would you prove you are not illegal. All your documents could be falsified, all of em, quite cheap and in a matter of hours in L.A. In fact trying to avoid hiring them forces you to profile which will get you a discrimination charge. The Feds need to fix this. Online photo ID is the only way to do it. It’s coming.

  29. #424849
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:26 am, vargas said:

    I’m surprised that no one here is criticizing the entitlement mentality of those such as Samantha Stevens, who seems to think she deserves a job simply b/c ’she was here first’.
    There is some reason that the employer chose to hire illegals over people like Stevens–whether they were better workers, or willing to work for less money, I don’t know. But why should Stevens deserve a job simply by being there?

  30. #424850
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:27 am, simcoe said:

    The fed should do a saturation study within a radius of “n” miles to see who is on welfare or other giveaways but able to work and say they must fill one 600 of the jobs and get off the dole.

  31. #424852
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am, nlebou said:

    Just as long as they aren’t forced out of business, or forced to lay off workers. Those people really need their jobs, and unlike a lot of people who get paid to spend their day chatting on internet BBs, are probably actually producing something.

    If a business can not operate legally they should not be in business. It would be terrible if those legal workers lost their jobs but if we are going to turn this mess around we are all going to have to tighten our belts and make the hard choices. Most people in this country don’t really know what it means to sacrafice or live within their means.

  32. #424854
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am, wighttrasch said:

    Get rid of illegals.

    Drill here.

    Eradicate capital gains tax.

  33. #424853
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am, tarpon said:

    Same thing is happening around here, there are now considerable numbers of black Americans in the unskilled jobs that were done by illegals just months before. I wonder when the black people will figure out they are the big losers in the illegal immigration AMNESTY debate.

    Let’s really turn on the economy, drilling jobs are high paying, refinery construction, high paying, nuclear power plant construction high paying … Let’s roll. America needs the energy now.

    Just think of the possibilities if the Republican convention would use this theme … The Democrats are sitting ducks.

  34. #424856
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:30 am, swmbo said:

    The illegals shouldn’t even be here for this to be an issue. She doesn’t “deserve” a job simply by being there, but she certainly deserves a job before a criminal illegal alien does!!

  35. #424857
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:30 am, nlebou said:

    But why should Stevens deserve a job simply by being there?

    ummmm…maybe because she is a legal citizen????

  36. #424859
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    bagho20 – If there is no way to tell if someone is illegal or not, how do you know that you are hiring illegals?

  37. #424861
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am, ajmontana said:

    Ron,ask them straight out and watch them squirm…. 8)

  38. #424862
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am, Mister P said:
    I never could figure out why Americans were unwilling to do Carpentry, or Paint houses or lay bricks.

    Oh, Americans are willing to do such work. It’s just that some contractors prefer to pay much lower wages undercutting what an American worker should be paid for such work. They like to pay in cash whenever possible, which, leaving no paper trail, is either not reported or underreported for payroll tax purposes. They often get away with unsafe working conditions by using illegal workers as well.

    The employers can do this as long as government looks away and fails to enforce the law.

  39. #424863
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:34 am, ajmontana said:

    Have a Border Patrol green van parked outside the front door and see how many come in????

  40. #424866
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:36 am, nlebou said:

    If there is no way to tell if someone is illegal or not, how do you know that you are hiring illegals?

    That is a tired argument. There are ways. e-verify is 95% correct and as the article staes “They said it was common knowledge many of their co-workers were suspected to be illegal.”

    It’s not rocket science. You just need a little common sense, verify documents and most importantly …..the will.

  41. #424867
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am, ajmontana said:

    “Company xyz Now Hiring”
    Pick up applications from here.

  42. #424868
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am, mchristian said:

    vargas said: There is some reason that the employer chose to hire illegals over people like Stevens

    Yes, there is. It’s because they can pay them less, not provide benefits and skate on safety.

  43. #424873
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:42 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    When I was young, we were almost kicked off a job site because we were not union (we were sub-contracted by the owner). One day the feds raided the site and brought in 3 school buses to haul away the illegal’s. The union workers had a great time showing the feds where the illegal’s were hiding. The buses left full and I swore I would never work for a union – EVER. My beef? Every one of the illegal’s had a union card. My lesson? An illegal with a union card is better than any American working on the same job. All of the jobs were filled by Americans the next day. Of course they all had union cards. These new workers set out to get us kicked off the job as well. To this day I will take a hard working illegal working to raise his family over a unionized American who would try and remove an American from his job and substitute an illegal with a card. That is just me.

  44. #424877
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:44 am, DesertLover said:

    Depending on which set of reported numbers you read there are between 12 and 20 million illegal aliens in this country …

    The current unemployment rate is reported as around 6% …

    With a population of over 300 million that 6% would be approximately 18 million …

    So … if the 12-20 million illegals lose jobs and the 18 million unemployed Americans take those jobs … everyone that wants a job would have one …

    We would even have jobs left over for the welfare folks that could then be used to force them to get back to work and get off the public support systems …

    The simple answers are usually the best … :lol:

  45. #424881
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:45 am, Ron Rockstar said:

    I think you guys are misunderstanding the question I was asking bagho20. He stated that he hired illegals but did not want to. Then he stated that there was no way of knowing if they were illegal. I was just asking him a simple question. If bagho20 states that there is no way of knowing then how does he (bagho) know he is hiring illegals. That is a contradiction.

  46. #424886
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:46 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am, bagoh20 said:

    you make good points about verification. It’s a d*mned if you do and d*mned if you don’t. The ridiculous “profiling” laws put businessmen in a very tenuous position when it comes to hiring. There is the e-verify system you could use. I can’t understand why the gov’t has not mandated this. Seems to me verificaiton should be extremely easy once the system is set up. The bozos in DC act like they never heard of the new and amazing computer. Geez.

    The “slave labor” comments refer to businesses taking advantage of the cheap illegal labor (salary, taxes, osha laws, etc) at the expense of citizens and american workers. And that is what most are doing.

  47. #424887
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:47 am, guitarplayer said:

    Soap,

    I guess it just depends on the union and where in the country this is happening. My dad worked at a steel plant for about 25 years. The union never let anyone illegal work there. Sorry to hear about what you went through though. I agree with you that unions are hurting more workers than they are helping these days.

  48. #424893
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am, BemusedLib said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am, Mister P said:
    I never could figure out why Americans were unwilling to do Carpentry, or Paint houses or lay bricks.

    Oh, Americans are willing to do such work. It’s just that some contractors prefer to pay much lower wages undercutting what an American worker should be paid for such work. They like to pay in cash whenever possible, which, leaving no paper trail, is either not reported or underreported for payroll tax purposes. They often get away with unsafe working conditions by using illegal workers as well.

    The employers can do this as long as government looks away and fails to enforce the law.

    Sounds like an excellent argument for greater union presence on building sites.

    I can see a joint hit squad, teaming the Minutemen and the Building Trades, moving from site to site…

  49. #424895
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am, DesertLover said:

    Ron Rockstar … agreed … also there is a Federal computer system called eVerify that is available for free to all employers to check the SSN and ID information provided by prospective employees … it is required to be used in AZ … if you use it and an illegal managed to get through the check the employer is protected against prosecution under our state employer law … failure to use that system can result in stiff penalties and eventual permanent supension of the company business license if illegals are discovered on the payroll multiple times …

  50. #424898
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am, BemusedLib said:

    So can we expect o hear the racist/xenophobic/biggot calls from you soon? Your coment by the way was ridiculous. Typical lib thinking.

  51. #424902
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am, hawkeye54 said:

    With a population of over 300 million that 6% would be approximately 18 million …

    So … if the 12-20 million illegals lose jobs and the 18 million unemployed Americans take those jobs … everyone that wants a job would have one …

    Also, more jobs would open up by severly reducing or eliminating the questionable H1-b (?) temporary work visa program. This legal, but abused, program used by employers also undercuts the American work force almost as much as illegal aliens have.

  52. #424903
    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am, hawkeye54 said:

    With a population of over 300 million that 6% would be approximately 18 million …

    So … if the 12-20 million illegals lose jobs and the 18 million unemployed Americans take those jobs … everyone that wants a job would have one …

    Also, more jobs would open up by severly reducing or eliminating the questionable H1-b (?) temporary work visa program. This legal, but abused, program used by employers also undercuts the American work force almost as much as illegal aliens have.

  53. #424909
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:01 am, DesertLover said:

    hawkeye54 … yep … get the libs out of the school systems so the kids actually are learning something and those unavailable “skills” that the H1-b visas are supposedly filling would be filled by Americans …

  54. #424913
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am, bagoh20 said:

    Eventually you find out they are illegal through the grapevine, but they provide all the documentation required and often it is perfect in every way. We have used E-verify since it first came out and was voluntary. It helps if their deception is poorly done, but not always. Often you suspect they are illegal, but in our location 95% of all applicants are Hispanic so there is no way to tell and as I said if you discriminate you are gonna pay big time. Another thing is what do you do when you find out someone is illegal after you have employed them for years trained them met their family and kids, they have become you good friends and depend on you for survival. Some might say too bad for them, they have to go. But try and do that to another human, a friend and his family. I’m a hard ass, but that is tough.

  55. #424914
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am, rooster said:

    This is great! Mississippi just passed new laws, effective 1 July 2008, providing harsh punishment for employers and felonies for illegals knowingly using false identification for jobs. The sad part of this story is lost in the sauce. This raid started from a union employee filing a complaint about suspected illegal workers at the plant, A FEW YEARS AGO!

  56. #424915
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am, nlebou said:

    Sorry Ron. I did misunderstand. You are correct, what bagho20 is a contradiction.

    As I stated below it takes common sense and most importantly….the will.

  57. #424923
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:06 am, nlebou said:

    But try and do that to another human, a friend and his family. I’m a hard ass, but that is tough.

    That is precisely why we are in this mess. Tough decisions have to be made every day if we are to turn this around. When you find out they are illegal you should give them notice and get rid of them…period. To do otherwise is disloyal to your fellow citizens and your country.

  58. #424932
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:10 am, nlebou said:

    Often you suspect they are illegal, but in our location 95% of all applicants are Hispanic

    Why do you think that is? Maybe because they know that people like you will hire them?????

  59. #424938
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:11 am, DesertLover said:

    bagh020 …

    Most of those that get through the eVerify system are using stolen SSN and have had false ID created to match that information …

    The real victims are the people whose identity has been stolen … in some cases multiple times once these folks find out they have documents that will pass the eVerify system checks …

    ajmontana and I have had the annual pleasure of fighting this battle with the IRS for a number of years … we are the ones that actually file with the IRS so we are the ones they come after for “under-reporting” our income every year … kind of hard to live in Arizona and at the same time be working full time jobs in Iowa and Missouri …

  60. #424939
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:12 am, Uplander said:

    I’d be interested to know the pay this company was giving to these ‘workers’. Any company who’s business plan requires breaking the law should be put out of business.

  61. #424941
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:12 am, cheapseat said:

    ronrockstar you hit the nail on the head. hawkeye54 you must have learned math before new math. yes the employer knows, that is why they don’t abide by all those pesky regulations, and what IDIOT hire six hundred people who can’t speak english and then claims “i didn’t know.” if you are going to continue hiring slaves for slave wages, be a man about it and say so. i’m an employer also, and i have no trouble verifying my employees are americans. every one of them LOOK american. every one of them has a passport because i took them on a cruise last year for our company meeting. you just fire yours when they become inconvenient and they take a trip to mexico on their dime and wait for you to rehire them next season. do you go to your neighborhood church to place the order for more? mine proudly has a sign in front of it proclaiming it to be in the slave trade.

  62. #424947
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:15 am, nlebou said:

    My husband and I were on vacation in Tennessee where we met a man and his wife from Oklahoma who own a construction business. They were telling us that they could not find legal citizens to hire until Oklahoma passed their new laws. Now they are turning people away.

  63. #424948
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:15 am, bagoh20 said:

    Recently, they added photos online to e-verify, but only for recent green cards. If they claim to be a citizen and provide a driver’s license and SS card, they need no green card so you have no way to determine their authenticity. Another thing is you are not allowed to use the e-verify system until after you hire them, is that crazy or what? Like I said before how would you prove you are legal. I can’t, my docs could all be faked easily.

  64. #424959
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:18 am, DerKrieger said:

    The Red state south will get tough on illegals while the blue states won’t. We need to secede from the North before the Libs up there move en masse down south to escape the illegals and other problems Liberalism creates. The Libs are already deserting their paradise of CA and wrecking new states, like MT.

  65. #424961
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:19 am, BemusedLib said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am, BemusedLib said:

    So can we expect o hear the racist/xenophobic/biggot calls from you soon? Your coment by the way was ridiculous. Typical lib thinking.

    Yeah…I’m not such a fan of the Minute Men. I was kind of being ironic.

    But, the post I was referencing pointed out that a lot of contractors use illegals because they can underpay and abuse them. Though conservatives aren’t traditionally union-friendly, I was pointing out that there was common ground here that might be explored: higher wages and more employment for citizens, and increased enforcement/decreased opportunities for illegals.

  66. #424964
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:21 am, DirkBelig said:

    After he names Lieberman (or perhaps Hillary!) as his running mate, I hope McCain promises to crack down on enforcement and provide relief for God’s children by not harassing them while they do the jobs American would do if invaders weren’t being given preference.

  67. #424966
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:21 am, nlebou said:

    Like I said before how would you prove you are legal

    You are in denial. Like I said it takes the will to do the right thing.

  68. #424969
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:22 am, PhredE said:

    The most recent public DHS comments I have seen regarding eVerify claim a nominal accuracy rate of approx. 99.5%. The database incorporating SSA info has been improved quite a bunch in the last few months apparently.

    Further, for those rare ‘no-match’ exceptions that do crop up (in dealing with citizens and legal residents)… if there were some transcription error, typo, etc. that pertained to your info, wouldn’t you want to find that ASAP and fix it? I would.

    Another point that went unnoticed in the story… is that Howard Industries received hefty tax breaks (to the tune of $30+ million) in the last 5-6 years with the partial justification to ‘create jobs’. I didn’t know that taxpayer funds could be used to help subsidize criminal activity. I think those funds need to be given back to MS taxpayers.

  69. #424974
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:23 am, Leatherneck said:

    You nice folks are thinking like Nationalists, not North American Unionists New World Order types like the CFR, and State Department.

    The government has sold out to special interest groups who what slave labor. That way, the companies make a larger profit.

    The destruction of our culture follows as more third would culture infest our shores.

    Kissinger said it best, “America is the last nation state.” This country is marked for death to forward a vain plan of a global marketplace ruled by the few , and where Christianity is hate speech, Homosexual marriage is a state supported lifestyle, and murder of children, (abortion), is birth control.

    A global Tower of Babel if you will. As it was in the time of Noah, so shall it be at the second coming of the son of man.

  70. #424977
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am, Weary Citizen said:

    kind of hard to live in Arizona and at the same time be working full time jobs in Iowa and Missouri

    You know, this is the issue I can not seem to understand. Seems like it would be easy to fix this problem. By simply having a couple pieces of info with the SS# in the database, we could eliminate 99.9% of the fraud. Say, add the age and the address from the last tax return. The age stops someone who is 40 years old from using a stolen SS# from someone who is 5, 16, or 65. The address would raise a red flag if someone in CA is using a stolen SS# that has last known address in MN or wherever. Another piece of helpful info, which may not be accepatble to many, is the prior years reported income. If someone is applying for a job that pays $8/hr and the SS# provided shows a prior tax reported income of $100K, then red flags should certainly be raised. Anyway, my point is our gov’t refuses to be creative in attacking this invasion.

  71. #424978
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am, nlebou said:

    Thank You PhredE.

    I agree, those funds should go back to taxpayers.

  72. #424981
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am, nlebou said:

    By simply having a couple pieces of info with the SS# in the database, we could eliminate 99.9% of the fraud. Say, add the age and the address from the last tax return. The age stops someone who is 40 years old from using a stolen SS# from someone who is 5, 16, or 65. The address would raise a red flag if someone in CA is using a stolen SS# that has last known address in MN or wherever

    Great idea. That would also stop them from using our childrens ID’s…or in some cases I’m sure they are using their anchor babies ID’s.

  73. #424984
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am, cheapseat said:

    h1b visas are also a convenient slave enabler. hawkeye54 notes if we got the TEACHERS of today out of the way, americans would fill these jobs. you can’t go into any university in america today and not find it full of third world labor brought here to keep the wages low. so, a biology degree from the univ of … will fetch you $15000 per year to work at the univ of … now $15000 may sound good to mao tse tung, coming from a land where there is no wage above $1 a day, but it keeps americans from working those jobs. WHY DON’T WE JUST DO AWAY WITH OSHA, SOCIAL SECURITY, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, FREE HEALTHCARE TO ANYONE WHO CAN WALK INTO AN EMERGENCY ROOM, DISABILITY UNDER SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, AND ANY OTHER FORM OF SOCIAL WELFARE SCHEME, LIKE OUR COMRADES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST, AND SEE IF AMERICANS CAN’T DO THE JOB. after all, they always did do the job before we rolled out the great society in the late 60s.

  74. #424986
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am, Flyoverman said:

    There are probably some jobs that most Americans refuse to do. However, that has become a mantra for any business to spout so they can gain political cover to bring in lower wage immigrants that they can exploit.

    Continue these ICE raids, but when they haul the illegals off cuffed, in busses, the company President and the Board of Directors should be on the bus with them.

  75. #424987
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:29 am, bagoh20 said:

    nlebou said:

    …95% of all applicants are Hispanic

    … Maybe because they know that people like you will hire them?

    Absolutely right. That and the fact that Mexico is only 2 hours from here. Like I said, I don’t want to hire them. I’m strongly anti-illegal, but the government makes it impossible to avoid. For us there is no advantage to hire illegals, we pay the same(same benefits, too). They are harder to train and less likely to advance. It’s a problem. Very few white or black applicants ever show up, and we are in a black community. When they do, we hire them, Unfortunately our fellow citizen are often flaky and spoiled by an easy life here, and they do not last long.

  76. #424988
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am, nlebou said:

    opps…after I saw add the age I stoped to post.

  77. #424991
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am, RedDog said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am, xblade said:
    Nonsense. In Barack AmeriKa, there are no jobs period.

    Niet Komrade. This is lie. You work for glorious Mother State now. Now shut up and eat dirt.

  78. #424992
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am, cheapseat said:

    why don’t we use a fingerprint id and then we get rid of a whole lot of pesky problems, like parental kidnappers, voter frauds, criminal escapees, illegal aliens, parole violaters. etc. it’s your id which always travels with you.

  79. #424993
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am, nlebou said:

    Then you bagoh20 are part of the problem and I hope someone turns you in.

  80. #424996
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:34 am, WestCoastCoconut said:

    DerKrieger said: The Libs are already deserting their paradise of CA and wrecking new states, like MT.

    California is on the verge of chaos and the libs are affecting others states to do the same with sanctuary cities. Meantime the raids are a day late and should have done more of them in the southwest. While it opens up jobs for Americans the effects won’t translate into votes for anti-illegal candidates. Well, maybe in Jones County it will. We can only hope and see that change. Ooops that’s BHO’s slogan.

  81. #424997
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:35 am, bagoh20 said:

    One simple thing would completely eliminate the hiring of illegals: Photo ID online of everyone by SS#. Very quick to check, can’t be faked, 100% accurate. Then just enforce the law strictly. Problem solved. We all have photo driver’s license anyway, so why not. It just needs to be online to prevent the fraud.

  82. #425002
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:37 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    guitar,

    South Florida. I worked on several large union jobs. The one I spoke of was building condos on the beach. I also worked on a FP&_ power plant and I watched how union worked.

    I guess it is wrong of me to throw a blanket over all unions. Like I said, it is just me. I watched too many Americans displaced because they did not hold a union card. If penalties started with unions (which they never will because they have some of the highest paid lobbyists in the country), I would be happy with that start. Unions protect illegals and I will never be convinced otherwise.

  83. #425003
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am, PhredE said:

    nlebou: Thanks!

    This may prove timely -

    Report Suspicious Activity:

    1-866-DHS-2-ICE
    http://www.ice.gov/

  84. #425006
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:40 am, YTZGal said:

    My three college age kids wore out their shoe leather looking for work, three summers in a row, answering every “Help Wanted” sign in windows….and never got a single call back or interview — save one, the first summer. All the “hires” couldn’t speak English, but to imply they were “illegal” would be, y’know “racist”.

    The first summer they got work as lifeguards for pool co that manages pools for HOA’s. The second summer the same co imported students from Lithuania. My kids were out of luck.

    They ended up opening their own business.

    Now this summer with the crackdowns, they had more calls for work than they could handle — and they each worked an average of 14 hr days at two jobs, 7 days a week to make money for school.

    “Jobs Americans won’t do” my pattotie.

    Are you paying attention, Juan McCain?

  85. #425009
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:41 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:19 am, BemusedLib said:

    Hey, wait. Are you saying you are opposed to illegal immigration? If so, then we agree on something. See common ground cna be found on some issues.

    As far as the minutmen, oops. I am a minuteman. You can have an opinion, but I believe it is completly mis-informed if you believe we are a bunch of vigilantes. That is nonsense (and actually puts you in ageement with bush, gasp). The minutemen have never harmed an illegal, or taken the law into their own hands. The first thing we were told when monitoring the border is we are to never confront them, only raido in the sighting and the location to the BP, and render aid if necessary to save any illegal (oh yea, and if we saw a line of guys with backpacks and one in the back with a gun, withdraw because they are drug runners). No deviations are tolerated as it would endanger everyone. We understand why they come and don’t really blame those coming here only to work. We recognize this mess it the fault of our gov’t shirking it’s primary responsibilty of maintaining hte integrity of hte border nad protecting the citizens from foreign incursions. There has not been one documented fact of the Minutemen attacking and harming illegals.

  86. #425013
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am, nlebou said:

    PhredE….Not only should those funds be returned to taxpayers, all federal funding should be stopped to sanctuary cities.

  87. #425020
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:44 am, bagoh20 said:

    You just don’t get it. You can’t avoid it! It’s the same as saying we should arrest people for making mistakes on their tax forms. The current law is impossible to follow, and even if you do you will still hire illegals whether you want to or not in many industries. Your anger is misplaced, but maybe you don’t care. Some people just want to vent, so get the pitch forks and torches.

  88. #425021
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:45 am, uhangtight said:

    txvet2, as an individual who worked and went to school, i have been blessed to now have a job that pays me for ‘what’ i do not how long i am on the job, and i can do that job from home. So as i have my personal computer up for news, i have my work computer up and am working. multi-tasking..

    these people need jobs, then why doesn’t their government provide them with a free economy that would provide them jobs? it is not our place to provide them jobs. we cannot provide every 3rd world country’s people with jobs. socialism produces poverty not jobs. they need to change their country not come here and change our country.

  89. #425026
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am, nlebou said:

    I’m out folks….gotta go do those jobs I would not pay any illegal to do if my life depended on it.

  90. #425034
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:53 am, uhangtight said:

    onmysoap, #82, nope your not putting a blanket over all unions. while working for a contracting firm building high rise condos at the Play Del Mar beach in California noticed the same thing.

    There was a union rep in there every day complaining about a sub-contractor that was not union. Bullying tactics used on the contractor for hiring a non-union sub. Funny, saw the same bully a few months before in an Albertson’s parking lot 2 hours away bullying a news camera and a woman shopper for going across picket lines. Plus, the fact they seemd to sit around taking breaks more than the non-union workers. The non-union workers worked their buts off…

    My father’s business used to go in after hours to do the duct work and air conditioning work on some of the jobs due to the unions harrassment. Unions are in the process of destroying the economy and american productivity.

  91. #425037
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am, nlebou said:

    You just don’t get it.

    No, you don’t get it. If you can not operate business legally you should not be in business.

    You can’t avoid it! It’s the same as saying we should arrest people for making mistakes on their tax forms.

    No, you said yourself that you knowingly continue to employ illegal aliens. Taxpayers who make mistakes should be and are allowed to correct them. You should be prosecuted.

    The current law is impossible to follow, and even if you do you will still hire illegals whether you want to or not in many industries.

    Gotta say a big BS to that.

    Your anger is misplaced, but maybe you don’t care.

    Wrong again. My anger is definately in the right place amd I obviously care more than you do.

  92. #425038
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am, Southern Partisan said:

    The Edison Report has good coverage of the Mississippi story.

    http://www.edisonreport.net

    The union tipped the fed.

    Employees cheered.

    An ad from the local paper for welders, in Spanish, “no experience needed.”

  93. #425039
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:02 am, bagoh20 said:

    But try and do that to another human, a friend and his family. I’m a hard ass, but that is tough.

    I understand what your saying, but I guess you’re not that much of a hard ass afterall.

    So your friend robbed a bank a few years ago, escaped from jail and is at your front door. What do you do?

    So your friends wife has a brother with a meth lab. What do you do?

    Your friend has child porn on his computer (but hasnt looked at it recently), but his kids are ~ok~…. What do you do?

    Your friends kid is tagging the freeway signs. What do you do?

    Coming across the border without a visa or a passport or explicit permission of the government, is still illegal, no matter how how long they have been here, no matter how ingrained into our society they are and no matter how much YOU LIKE THEM. Therefore you have made the conscience decision to aid and abbet known criminals.

  94. #425047
    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:59 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Very few white or black applicants ever show up, and we are in a black community. When they do, we hire them, Unfortunately our fellow citizen are often flaky and spoiled by an easy life here, and they do not last long.

    What you say is very true. Ilegals are more desperate for income. Too many of our young citizens are betrayed by their parents and government who do them a disservice. As long as their parents allow them to be leaches, and government continues to be eager to dole out taxpayer money to lazy shirkers, there is no reason to labor and toil for wages and learn to be self sufficient.

  95. #425062
    On August 28th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, FamilyMan said:

    When my wife and I first starting dating in college we were both employed in jobs now taken by illegal aliens. She was a motel maid and I was a butcher working in fish processing. It helped us go through school without finiacial aid.

  96. #425075
    On August 28th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:45 am, uhangtight said:

    txvet2, as an individual who worked and went to school, i have been blessed to now have a job that pays me for ‘what’ i do not how long i am on the job, and i can do that job from home. So as i have my personal computer up for news, i have my work computer up and am working. multi-tasking..

    Kudos! As opposed to someone who punches a clock, I dont have anyone riding my butt when I am one minute late to work. But then on the other hand I dont clock out at 5 o’clock either.

    I’m 24×7x365 and I have a broadband card in my laptop. I can do this in my car, or on a plane, or in a doctors office or at my kids soccer practice or anywhere, at anytime that I have a cell tower available to me.

    Oddly, Im on a conference call as I type this, AND I am monitoring a customers systems onine AND I am doing email AND I have CNN on right next to me AND I have another window up on my computer where I am taking a training class AND I am watching the weather AND … lol can you say A.D.D? Now I am going to hit ‘Submit Comment’ and go check what is in my refrigerator.

  97. #425091
    On August 28th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, nlebou said:

    Oddly, Im on a conference call as I type this, AND I am monitoring a customers systems onine AND I am doing email AND I have CNN on right next to me AND I have another window up on my computer where I am taking a training class AND I am watching the weather AND … lol can you say A.D.D?

    LOL….sounds like me. But now I have really got to go take my child to the Dr. Of course I will be bringing my laptop and blackberry. UGH!

  98. #425101
    On August 28th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, guitarplayer said:

    Back from lunch.

    On August 28th, 2008 at 11:37 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    guitar,

    South Florida. I worked on several large union jobs. The one I spoke of was building condos on the beach. I also worked on a FP&_ power plant and I watched how union worked.

    My dad (and even me for a short time) worked in steel in eastern PA. The factory he worked at had a pretty good union. I never heard of any major problems. Plus, the union wasn’t afraid to fire troublemakers. I was there when one guy got let go.

    I guess it is wrong of me to throw a blanket over all unions. Like I said, it is just me. I watched too many Americans displaced because they did not hold a union card. If penalties started with unions (which they never will because they have some of the highest paid lobbyists in the country), I would be happy with that start. Unions protect illegals and I will never be convinced otherwise.

    I don’t blame you. With everything we hear about unions in the news today, unions that helped my dad are the exception rather than the rule. Most of them are there to rob the union members blind to support their own agendas and do nothing to help the workers even when a real problem is present.

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