The choice: Blessing vs. punishment
I wrote yesterday about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy and Barack Obama’s attitude toward the unborn children of teenage moms: “One ticket sees this as a blessing. The other sees it as a curse. Could the core differences between the two be any starker?”
Reader Leo Alberti summed up the contrast in graphic form. The picture is worth a thousand words:
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Sad, very very sad.
The picture is perfect. It could also pit Good vs. Evil:)
The culture of death is at our gates.
Sorry to bite from someone else, can’t remember who but –
“Republicans believe in killing taxes and raising babies.”
You can figure out the following tag for Dems.
Baby vs. mass of unliving cells
Baby vs. refuse
Baby vs. non-person
Baby vs. non-voting Democrat
I like blessings. They make my wife happy.
So, he doesn’t want his daughter to be “punished” with a baby. So he gives the baby the death sentence for the crime of “inconvenience”.
As a father of 3 and a grandfather of 5 I vote for blessings!
Well, long, long term, those who favor abortions should select themselves out of existence. That’s at least a small consolation.
The contrast is stark!
I can’t wait for my life to be enriched with these little blessing from above.
No they couldn’t, but a generation of abortion as a matter of convenience has hardened their hearts. They really DO believe they are a compassionate and loving group.
I imagine the Canaanites who sacrificed their children in the fire considered themselves compassionate and loving. They only fool themselves. But they too now know the truth-eternally.
Leftcoastconservative,
BULLSEYE!
There could not be any more stark a contrast:
Liberals: spiteful, vindictive, mean
Conservatives: questioning, introspective, compassionate
Regardless of all the other issues in the campaign… this contrast says everything there is to say about the liberal thought process. Broken down to its most basic premise – this group of people believes in “selective murder” for the good of the collective…. “resistance is futile”….how grotesque.
#4 Right freaking on!
That would make a great bumper sticker.
Happy future Mothers Day and Fathers Day to the both of you.
In the meantime, stock up on sleep, you’ll need it.
The dems are “pro-choice”, yet Miss Palin decides to keep her baby and this is wrong, how??? Seems to me she made a choice-the RIGHT choice!
Unbelievable hypocritical twits….
You’re right, Michelle, the differences are very stark! Take the matter of “Choice” demonstrated by liberals; it means killing the “parasite”! For conservatives, it means life for the unborn.
Democrats are so militant and vocal when they discuss the choice issue, continually repeating “It’s a woman’s right to choose!” Now, we see that what they really mean is, it’s good when a liberal woman chooses to kill her unborn child, but it is condemnable when a conservative woman chooses life for her unborn, regardless of it’s health.
Conservatives have their bumpersticker, “Choose Life!” Perhaps, the liberals should claim as their own “Choose Infanticide…it’s a woman’s right!”
Thanks, tre!
30,
I a right there with ya – praying hard for you and Mr. 30 to fill the house with the little blessings!!!
Here is an example of the idiocy of the Left from CNN:
The circular argument goes like this:
Since she is the VP candidate everything about her is public knowledge.
Since this is a private matter, Palin should drop out of the race.
Huh!!
How much they fear her? Don’t like her, then don’t vote for her. However that is not enough for them. They don’t want ANYONE to be able to vote for her.
Abortion is such an incredibly awful concept when you really sit down and think about it.. how can it even be possible?
I remember the debate in the UK over fox hunting – people were RIOTING over this.. yet babies are ripped apart in the womb every day – no riots for them.
A friend of mine had an abortion (secretly), and to this day (some 5 years later) she still deeply regrets the decision. Still gets very upset about it and wish she could turn the clock back.
But you know what, take the social structure (watered down socialism) in the UK… on the pure pregnancy side, women are given HUGE amount of help from the state. Yes, higher taxes pay for it..but would that make a difference here if there was more financial help to young mothers who cannot afford to have a child and think abortion as the quick way out? Just wondering.
A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR INFANTICIDE.
(for the stupid dems, that means killing babies)
Subtle enough?
This photoshop effort simply depicts two women carrying unviable tissue masses or, more succinctly by BHO himself, “it”. Nothing of note, here.
BHO believes in fourth trimester abortions so, frankly, this photo does nothing to help our children or, for that matter, “it”.
You’re right – and that’s why I (like others) find the “pro-choice” term so offensive. The term “pro-abortion” seems to fit so much better. They don’t want you to choose – unless it’s the one option they support. How sad for libs.
Brilliant Michelle, that picture is worth a million words . . . too bad we can’t put it on highway billboards throughout the country.
I’ve said it before, pro-choice is a misnomer. It means pro-abortion, plain and simple.
What a crock! Of course AFTER you’re pregnant it’s a “blessing,” but show me one parent in the country who wants her unwed teenage daughter to be “blessed,” and I’ll show you a mental hospital.
Insipid graphics don’t prove anything, and neither does rhetoric. Obama was making the case for contraception when he made his “punished with a baby” remark, and I agree. Sarah Palin opposed sex ed in schools, and I guess she opposed it at home too.
So when O-Brahma told Planned Parenthood he would sign a bill within his first 10 days in office granting the right for an abortion at any time for any reason, his preferred choice of contraception is abortion?
The only “choice” democrats want is for them to tell you how many kids you can have. Hello, China.
There is your stark difference. They don’t have a clue– it is more sad than anything else.
Life. It should not be that difficult but we see that it is. There really is nothing to talk about with these people.
Sad.
So you see a baby as punishment instead of a consequence to an action. You are brain dead.
There is innumerable help for these young women; countless pregnancy centers, churches, individuals, families, etc… are lined up to assist these women. Admittedly, not enough of them know there is help for them and that’s a crying shame. Nonetheless, the help is there and I believe people are doing a much better job of reaching these women before it is to late. As for welfare being the answer, I’m not to sure about that.
Supports healthy families: neither. Yes, sad indeed. We now believe that “pro-life” also means “pro-family.”
A child is only a blessing if raised well.
“He who sires a fool does so to his sorrow, and the father of a fool has no joy.” ~Proverbs 17:21
“A foolish son is a grief to his father and bitterness to her who bore him.” ~Proverbs 17:25
“Discipline your son while there is hope, and do not desire his death.” ~Proverbs 19:18
I bet that today, Barry O is quite unnerved.
If my daughter had not made her “choice” for life 13 years ago, I wouldn’t have a wonderful grandson. Inconvenient? Yes. Worth the inconvenience? Hell, yes.
ECS
“Of course, after you are pregnant it’s a blessing.” But your side approves of having this blessing ripped from its mother’s womb.
It’s not Skeptic’s brain that’s dead; it’s his soul.
ECS
Sausage, I’ll say a prayer for your friend. God has already forgiven her, it seems to me that she now needs to forgive herself.
Redstateskeptic, you are right in that I would not want my daughter to get pregnant out of wedlock. But, if she did, I would not want her to kill her baby. I would give her whatever help she needs, but that baby had no choice in the matter, and certainly doesn’t deserve the death penalty.
The type of or amount of sex ed taught at home is none of the governments business.
That’s the difference. Liberals want the government to tell them how to raise their families, what to eat, what to drive, etc. etc. Conservatives want to live without the nanny state controlling their lives.
I teach my children my values and the consequences of making a decision. If their decision results in an unwanted blessing, they live with that consequence by either giving the child up for adoption or raising it themselves. Either way, it’s none of the governments business.
Keep the government out of my house.
On September 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 pm, geminicontender said:
The picture is perfect, and this truly is a matter of good vs. evil, a matter of life and death:
Abortion and Infanticide are evil.
There is no more innocent blood than that of a baby.
Props to suasage for a thoughtful posting.
and IF they ever come around on this issue…it will be because of the forth item.
suasage=sausage still early in the Pacific
Thats what I thought and will second that.
Brave New (Socialist) World in UK:
Accept the Queen’s shilling; accept the Queen’s bidding.
What the hell are you talking about? The Freedom of Choice Act, which O promissed PP he would sign into law, only prohibits a state from terminating a pregnancy prior to viability, unless the health of the mother is at stake; in other words reaffirming Roe.
Unless the Republican party writes into its platform a desire to have unwed teenage mothers impregnated, the “blessing” talking point is nothing but meaningless rhetoric.
I haven’t met many folks (I’m a little older than Palin) who haven’t had to help coach their teenage child through some kind of crisis brought on by a poor choice.
Attacking Bristol and by proxy, Palin, will backfire on the left. I believe most reasonable folks feel the Palin’s pain and may be taking the attacks personally.
We may not all be able to live out the high standards, but fundamentally conservatism means we don’t make other folks (no matter how small) pay the consequences for our poor choices.
BSR
Indeed. It was beautiful…like Halley’s Comet…and occurred at the same interval.
Your logic doesn’t follow. Instead, I suspect (but I can’t say for sure but neither can you) that she’d prefer that the subject be dealt with in the home. Indeed, why would any parent want to outsource such a sensitive and important task?
There are thousands of people waiting to adopt. Pre-natal care is pretty much free in this country for those who can’t afford it.
Overheard in the Obama household:
“Girls, you have refused to listen to me and it seems that Time-Outs don’t work, grounding doesn’t work, revoking privileges doesn’t work.
You’ve left me no option but to punish you with a baby. Get in the car, we’re going to get you inseminated.”
I abhor the concept of abortion, but I also abhor the idea of forcing someone to give birth when they don’t want to. Birth control is not 100% effective, and this case is a good example of why teaching abstinence doesn’t work either. I would (and have) considered every pregnancy in my family a blessing. But at the same time I can’t support making abortion illegal.
Give it a rest. McCain is for forced pregnancy, Obama is not. The fetus is not a person in the first trimester.
It takes a Family, not a village.
Can you guys help me out?
Here’s a picture of Sarah Palin, 1 month before her son was born:
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fcQ5EM7gafd9
She doesn’t look 8 months pregnant to me – do you think the youngest child is her daughters first baby?
Red State Skeptic
You are passing along incorrect information regarding Gov. Palin on birth control and such … and using a “HuffPo” link as your “proof” is not only very weak it is rather insulting to expect us to take that source as “fact” …
Try the following instead …
The emphasis included is mine:
The rest of the “Time Magazine” article is available here … whis is only one of the items mentioned in the “10 Facts About Sarah Palin” article found in the new issue …
whis = this … finger check … sorry
On September 2nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm, sausage said:
She is not alone.
For those who can handle the truth…
Testimonies
We ALL know how many abortions have been because “the health of the mother is at stake”. 40 million – right? Give us all a break. As another person already stated, you truly are brain dead.
Ditto!
Baby = Blessing
Abortion = murder
What does 8 months look like from that angle in a dark suit?
She’s not wearing ‘maternity clothes’ if that’s what you mean.
sorry folks … just realized the link didn’t get embedded in my response to R.S.S. …
here is the time magazine story link …
10 Facts About Sarah Palin
Any argument for abortion will never stand the scrutiny of judges who are strict constructionist . The Constitution is NOT a living document. It can be amended but with extreme difficulty. The only reason I voted for Bush is the same reason I may consider McCain, They both believe in constructionist judges.
Please feel free to rebut any facts (no quotes needed) found in the article.
Why do you think Palin supports birth control? Because not all pregnancies are wanted?
This post is entitled:
The choice: Blessing vs. punishment
“that both you and your descendants may live”…
Babies aborted in the 70’s would be parents themselves by now.
So, how many lives did one abortion really take?
One-third of an entire generation has been aborted.
Choose Life.
Choose Blessing.
America, Bless God.
i just spent a WONDERFUL weekend with my 10 month old grandson. as i told my daughter when she was a teenager, it is really a shame that nearly all the life altering decisions are made when kids aren’t really ready to make those decisions. education or not, marriage or not, sex or not, children or not, drinking and drugs or not. let’s leave this family’s private life private. if mrs palin does something, fine she’s a candidate, but i don’t remember her children announcing for office. there but for the grace of god goes anyone with children. will the media go wild if, god forbid, her son gets hurt in the army. we have really become a society of degenerates when a gang of worthless thugs can rampage through a city and the media is worried about a pregnant 17 year old. my mother was married when she was 17, raised 8 kids, buried one, and just celebrated her 60th wedding anniversary. i wish this young girl well and hope the news cycle will end shortly.
The whole “punished with a baby” schtick reflects not only a callous attitude about human life but also an underlying bizarre attitude about the role of men in the decision about whether to have children (i.e., as semi-rapists or islamo-style ultra-patriarchs) — no wonder someone like Amanda Marcotte (remember her from John Edwards’ ill-advised decision to add a blogger to his campaign?) came up with that expression:
[Asterisks and emphasis added]
People who see infants as “punishment” need to put down the “Gor” novels and get a grip.
Now that ‘the health of the mother’ includes depression, which definition is quite vague, this term is a catch all for ‘I decided I don’t want this Baby.’
According to cRusty, they are all liars. There is NO detrimental affect to women who choose abortions. cRusty has a study to prove it.
So, you prefer killing the child to forcing the mother to carry the child to term.
Tell me, what is the child guilty of: being? I can’t see how the mother’s choice trumps the child’s right to exist.
So yes, I would force the mother to carry the child to term. It is her obligation as a mother. I have no trouble with the idea of her giving the child up for adoption once it is born however.
I don’t even see how the issue of rape or insest enters into the picture. Again that child is not guilty of anything except existing.
Blessing or not, 17 is still awfully young to have a child or get married. I’m not buying into this being a disqualification for Sarah Palin, but it does make one curious about the circumstances. Was this an unplanned pregnancy, or does Bristol Palin mistakenly think that at the age of 17 she has found the love of her life and is ready to care for a child? I mean who really has any clue about the world at 17? I’m only 23, and I cringe when I think about some of the decisions and opinions I had at that age. I’m not saying that nobody finds the right spouse at that age and sticks with them for the rest of their lives, and for all I know she could have done just that, but the issue remains.
Of course the wrong conclusion to draw would be that she should have had the baby murdered pre-birth. Even if you were to conclude that she is 100% in the wrong and incapable of caring for that child, there are better solutions than killing him.
It’s a newt. Then the fairy Earth-mother Gaia sprinkles pixie dust on the mother and newt becomes human.
–excerpted from Everything LGM Knows About Sex
The “choice” was made when they engaged in sexual intercourse.
If you don’t want to “give birth”, then don’t have sex.
It is not only women. When I was drafted, I foolishly got my girl friend pregnant. I asked her to keep the child, even though there was little I could do to support the child.
When she had the abortion, I felt quite quilty and have chosen to not have kids because of it. I have no right to be a father.
And that is our great and unbridgeable chasm. Some believe they are but a chance bit of matter slightly evolved from the apes. We KNOW we are the Creation and Children of God.
But even they don’t believe in killing the naked ape.
I bet Barack is glad that his mother didn’t abort him when she was 17, pregnant, and unmarried.
I am strongly pro-life but the abortion debate (if you can call it that) wears me out.
I thought MM’s original point hinged on BHO’s referring to his daughter(s) being “punished” with a baby.
This really is a key difference between right and left. Rather than accepting and managing through the consequences of their poor choices, pro-abortion folks see it acceptable to “punish” the human by-product of poor choices.
Someone else always needs to pay, don’t they?
So, pregnancy just spontaneously erupts? That will probably be news to a lot of people.
I can see nothing that’s forcing anybody to be pregnant. Some actions have consequences, and those consequences should be taken into account before engaging in the actions.
RedStateSkeptic …
I respectfully took time to read your link as I always try to give everyone here the respect to attempt to understand where they are coming from (with the exception of Kos and DU links) … and I try to read them all with an open mind rather than dismissing them as invalid …
Please take the time to read my links as well … all 10 parts … and then we can compare notes …
Thanks …
I am throwing down the Bullchips card on that one. You should not deny the greatest gift of all – a child. And you deny your parents a gift as well.
Forgive yourself. If your feel as bad as you do, it is a great sign you will cherish your child above all esle!
Please, I beg you, do not do this to yourself. I could not imagine not having kids.
If you want to donate to a ministry that helps young women with unplanned pregnancy, abuse, and other issues, I highly recommend Mercy Ministries.
They are helping young women around the world.
Forced pregnancy? Is this the new catch phrase for the pro-abortion crowd? No doubt because it has a nearly implied rape connotation to make it sound even more heinous. Or do you only believe in choice after a woman conceives and not before?
As to your timeline on when a fetus becomes a person, does this suggest that you oppose second and third trimester abortions? This is a slippery slope argument that even your candidate ducked by declaring it above his pay grade.
I have vein pounding in my forehead at trying to get this filth out of my head…
Do you actually think that John McCain will force women to become pregnant? Because that’s how it sounds.
Also, the ‘fetus is not a person’ part is a damnable lie. I, for one, will not let this stand.
Excuse me? What is it then? A “thing”?
When was your unique DNA established?
At conception.
And sometimes not even post natal.
lgm is in his 5th decade (at least) and is still not a person so, he may have a point.
OK. On the creationist tip, I simply cannot fathom having a public school teacher instructing my kids about the book of Genesis.
And for all we’ve heard for the last ten years about Hillary’s unchecked ambition, what about a woman who is OK with putting her teenage daughter through horrendous embarrassment (at what point was she going to tell us, or was she going to leave that to the tabloids?) so she can hold a figurehead position for John McCain. And yes, commit to the job for 4-8 years when she has a baby with Down who needs her attention. Her selfishness and ambition are frankly shocking, even for a politician.
I think it all depends. If your Ms Spears or a bunch of high school kids in Mass then its your right to get pregnant and do whatever you want with the thing. If you happen to be our next V.P.’s daughter it’s a dirty little sin and just soooooo scandalous. Good luck with this one lefties
Lgm
Do I need to argue constitutional law with you. Do I need to remind you that our constitution is there to limit the power of government. Do I need to remind you of the dangers of government that can set arbitrary standards of when life and death occurs. And do I need to show you that the only non arbitrary time of life’s beginning is at conception. If you can’t see this clearly you should declare yourself an anarchist and live outside the security of law. This social agreement we have is for all of our protection. Yes, life is one big compromise.
Hmmm, wonder if you’d say the same thing if it was Hillary with the same circumstances.
All of a sudden, it’s about the children. The ones the feminists said to hold off having during the 1970s during the women’s liberation movement so you could further your careers.
Funny, you never cared about children. Until now.
You should quit while you are behind.
A “Down” child is just as lovable as any othr child. I have a great fried who has a son who is “Down” and he is the most loving child as any I have met and he is very smart as well. We all know how you pro-death people think of “Down” children – they do not deserve to live.
You sir/madam are sick.
This is an irrelevant point when you consider that Sarah Palin was already in political office when Bristol became pregnant. Sarah Palin is not putting her daughter through any embarrassment. The media and left that won’t let this go (as a non-issue) are. Do you then also condemn all those that are talking about Bristol?
Who cares? Bristol Palin is not running for political office, is she? Sarah’s campaign for VP just started last week. What did you expect? An immediate press conference and full disclosure about every facet of their personal lives?
Is every vice-president a figurehead to you?
This is a weak argument at best and is telling considering that you just got done calling the position a figurehead position. Which is it?
…and who are you to judge what is best for Trip Palin? Shouldn’t his mother and father decide how they can best care for him?
Based wholly on your own opinions of what she should do as a mother. Just because you do not agree does not mean that she made the decision without a care towards her family and their care.
…and since when is ambition a bad thing?