The choice: Blessing vs. punishment
I wrote yesterday about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy and Barack Obama’s attitude toward the unborn children of teenage moms: “One ticket sees this as a blessing. The other sees it as a curse. Could the core differences between the two be any starker?”
Reader Leo Alberti summed up the contrast in graphic form. The picture is worth a thousand words:
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You do know that the baby has a father, right? And four older siblings as well…
I came from a large family and we older siblings always helped with the new baby in the house. By the time I was 17, I was an expert in feeding, washing, changing diapers, etc… And my Dad also pitched it.
For crying out loud, it’s not like Sarah Palin is a single mom.
Yes, I do condemn them! Bless that girl’s heart. But if Sarah Palin is dragging her kids out to show what a good mom she is, I think it’s worth noting that Laura Bush is a great mom and her twins didn’t get knocked up when they were 17. The point is that Sarah Palin knew (or should have known) it would happen, but had no problem putting her daughter through all of this (no embarrassment? please.)
Why are you refusing to take into account the context of Obama’s remarks? He meant them in relation to one of his daughters getting pregnant at 16. Not that all pregnancies are punishments. Teenage pregnancy is tough, always accidental and deeply distressing and that’s why Obama said what he said.
Your attempts at discrediting Obama and his wife by taking single sentences said by them, completely and totally removing any context and making grossly asinine insinuations is getting irritating now.
All those who believe abortion is a constitutional right are wrong.
Show me in that document where you have the right to abortion
Show me where it says I can’t discriminate.
Show me where you have the right to the money I earn.
Show me the right for housing, food or any other necessity.
All those who believe you have these rights have bastardized our constitution and are destroying this great country and weakening the human spirt.
Omu: But he did say those words. He did refer to a pregnancy as a “punishment”. Don’t get mad at us for repeating his words.
To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Luke 2:4-6
If God calls it a child, it’s a person.
Hey anti-choicers, stop telling women what to do with their bodies, none of you are on a crusade from the heavens. On another note, why did Sarah have a child at the age of 44 when doing so increases the chance of giving birth to a Down’s? Doesn’t say sound judgement to me.
I don’t believe she was dragging anyone out there. It’s customary for the candidate’s family to be present if they can, is it not? Wouldn’t you say that the Palin family was there to support Sarah and not to serve as trophies to her motherhood? A bit cynical, is it not?
Why is this worth noting? A non-existent non-issue justifies all future examples to the contrary?
Or is this your way of saying that Sarah Palin is not a great mom?
You sound as though Bristol had no say in the matter at all. I do not know what happened in the Palin family discussion, but to assume that Sarah Palin did not have a discussion with her daughter about it would seem out of character for the family.
“Had no problem” is also an assumption on your part. You do not know how Sarah came to her decision and how she came to it. Instead, you imply that the only decision she should have made was not to run.
Perhaps she expected us to mind our own F%^&ing business?
liberal news, all uterus all the time. Ultrasound at 11:00
So, you only have the choice to end a pregnancy but you should not have the choice to begin one because you are 44?
Also, she gave birth to a child, not a “Down’s”.
So mothers with special needs kids shouldn’t work. They should shut up and get back in the kitchen. Do tell me, is this offical DNC policy????
Any male conservative poltician who made this remark would be pilloried for being sexist and a misogynist. Does it surprise you to know that I am unable to ask the marital or parental status of any job seeker, by law? It is not mine to know if they have family conditions that may impede the candidate’s ability to perform the job, by law.
These laws were rightly written to prevent sexist employers from preventing women from supporting their families.
I am disgusted.
Scooter36, When a man loves a woman, they get together…. Well you know the rest. I am sure she didn’t plan to have a “down’s”. She probably didn’t plan to have another kid. It happened. Are you saying she should have had an abortion to further her political life? Or that a mother should not work because she has a “down’s”???
Did you even read that I wrote?
You’re not repeating what he said – you’re repeating the last 3 words of a single sentence he uttered once. At least quote the entire sentence.
Granted, using the term “punishment” was probably not the best of taste. But his basic point is legitimate.
per·son /ˈpɜrsən/ –noun 1. a human being, whether man, woman, or child.
2. a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.
So, at 3 months this non-human creature suddenly becomes human? lgm apparently believes in miracles.
So children being a punishment to teenage mothers is legitimate to you. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Killing babies = ok
having babies if your older than scooter thinks you should be = not ok
typical lib
I’m weary of gray areas–always denotes rationalization…
PRO-LIFE
opposite>>>>>>>
PRO-D_E_A_T_H_!!!!!
Sounds like discrimination…kinda like scooters remarks.
Then says
Effectively telling Sarah what to do with her “body”
I’m saying it’s evidence to the contrary. If you’re going to put out a candidate in part based on her character, I think it’s fair to ask what the hell she is doing that her little girl is having sex. Or maybe it’s what she’s not doing by concentrating on her political career. I know this can happen to any family, but in my extended family there have been no teenage pregnancies, and it’s not just because we’re ugly.
She shouldn’t have a say in it! Mama should have said “baby don’t worry, I am going to put you first and put my career second, so we won’t have to worry about these bloggers and paparazzi bringing you down.” It’s called common sense, or common decency.
Listen sport, This is about constitutional law and there is nothing in that doctument on the rights of abortion. It is a creation of the courts. Find that right for me please.
hey Salt, its a free country, she knew the consequences. And this is our business as a matter of fact. You just keep on praying that it goes away, but it won’t.
Sono, she probably didn’t PLAN to have another kid? what does one expect when a man loves a woman and they get together wtihout their raincoats on? Come on, I’m sure you know the rest..what did they think was going to happen? It was planned.
Sono, regarding comment #115, I didn’t say she couldn’t have the baby, I was just pointing out that doing so, has risks.
There’s a difference between just working and being vice president. And of course running for vice president. I’ve had 3 kids and I can’t imagine not being around to nurture my infant (doesn’t even matter that he has Down’s) at least 5-6 hours a day.
Strange, so its the mothers fault that the bloggers are ignorant assholes and gang up on the pregnant daughter who is NOT running for office? So much for liberal “morals”. Frigging scum.
No you were saying she should have shut up and gone back to the kicthen or aborted the baby. Thats exactly what you were saying.
To address the “embarrassment issue or dragging Bristol into the spotlight, I would like to echo Rush today in saying that if she had refused the VP slot based on this issue alone, it would have haunted Bristol for the rest of her life. Why put that burden on the back of a 17 year old? And I do not believe for one moment that Mrs. Palin has brought those children out into the public scrutiny to prove anything other than she has children and loves each and every single one of them.
The problem and embarrassment is on THE ONE for stating what his position would be if this shoe was on the foot of one of his daughters. If they are so pro-choice then where is the choice for either one of his daughters if they WANTED to have a child they might have due to a “mistake”? THE ONE has stated emphatically he has already made that decision for those two girls; no ifs, ands or buts about it; they will “not be punished” by the birth of a child. That does not seem to reflect pro-choice or a democratic way of thinking.
And let me get this straight, how about Al Gore Jr. not only being arrested for a DUI but also have several DUIs and have illegal RX drugs in his car? This was right before Al’s campaign and I do not remember this same level of hype over that story. Then there are all those Kennedy kids that have suppressed criminal records. Once again, another example of how the MSMLSD types refuse to give equal treatment to Dems as they do Republicans. When the Bush girls were teenagers and went off to college they were constantly looking for them to mess up and sure enough one of them did and was arrested for DUI or something along those lines. They may not have been pregnant, but in my opinion driving while under the influence could harm innocent people for life and I do not see a teenage pregnancy harming someone along the same lines has taking a vehicle and killing someone.
This is going to be hard for Bristol and her boyfriend and I think most Americans have the capacity for compassion and understanding regarding this situation. To suggest this happened because Governor Palin was not at home enough or is not a good mother is ridiculous. My husband reminded me this morning that many a woman in American history was out working the farm, or tending to other issues while the older children tended to the younger children. Most of these women were too busy trying to survive or provide for their families and not able to stay at home, or in the home. This nation was built on the blood, sweat and tears of strong women that survived the demands of manifest destiny, the Great Depression and two World Wars. As a woman observing the actions and life of Sarah Palin, I see her as the embodiment of all those women from our past. And more importantly, she is going to kick Joe Biden’s ass! I am living for that moment and cannot wait to hear her tomorrow and neither can my twin 17 year old daughters who will be voting November and are outraged and the treatment of Bristol Palin.
Family Man, you just said it, its a creation of the courts. Society dictates right and wrong, not your bible. Go join the taliban if you want to control women, sport.
I see, so do you think all mothers should not work? Or just this conservative mother? Back into the kitchen Palin!!! No job for you!!!
I believe you have me confused with another poster.
…and he is saying that having babies is too risky so they should all be aborted.
Well, it was found in ‘emanations’ of ‘penumbra’ from 3 or 4 different ammendments. Who knows what other “rights” the court might smell if Obummer gets to nominate justices.
Are you proabortionist avoiding the constitutional issue here or do just what to run off at the mouth?
freeus, kick Bidens butta at what? making moose stew?? yup yup!
Doesn’t this prove what we have long suspected?
That the Dems are not a pro-CHOICE group but a pro-ABORTION group.
If they really were about free CHOICE, this would be a non-issue.
Call it what it is senator obama(D) and company(D’s), ABORTION and INFANTICIDE!
Choice my a**.
The constitution dictates right and wrong.
Soap, twist away pal…
I absolutely agree.(And I’m stunned) Though I don’t agree with the conclusion, he/she made,it’s a reasonable, civil argument and that’s to be commended.
A welcomed and hopeful departure from the “you’re all stinky heads” type responses usually posted by leftward posters.
Family Man, and the Constitution was created by men (society)
You brought in risk.
Just a tad inconsistent there Scooter36? Anti-choicers-Pro-Life- should not tell women what to do with their bodies but Scooter36 must and will? As things change many people are having their first child well after 30, some in their forties. Sorry they did not contact you for permission. Perhaps you could write a “Dear Scooter36″ column and set these wayward parents straight.
Wrong again there lad, but consistently wrong. We have it on good authority, very good. No, that would not be Margret Sanger or Dr. Spock.
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Hey Obama-Want to see Bitter?
Look at your wife.
WE SHOULD BE CIVIL-WE CONSERVATIVES?
Not a chance.
Why can’t the father do it?
Scooter36
Do I need to argue constitutional law with you. Do I need to remind you that our constitution is there to limit the power of government. Do I need to remind you of the dangers of government that can set arbitrary standards of when life and death occurs. And do I need to show you that the only non arbitrary time of life’s beginning is at conception. If you can’t see this clearly you should declare yourself an anarchist and live outside the security of law. This social agreement we have is for all of our protection. Yes, life is one big compromise.
Self contradiction alert!
That’s the point, Scooter! ‘Society’ (i.e. the people through our elected representatives) didn’t have any say in it. It’s not the role of the courts to Create law… or rights out of whole cloth.
Funny, that. At one time, many in “society” thought slavery was acceptable. I know public schools are big on revisionist American history, but maybe you heard we fought a pretty nasty war over the issue about 150 years ago. Guess all those Bible-thumpin’ folk who fought to end slavery and contributed to the Underground Railroad and the Civil Rights movement should have just shut their traps because the Bible has no place in society, right?
Give me a freakin’ break.
And this society was founded on Judeo-Christian values, fella. Which means they play a role in our culture.
Love the Taliban reference. Please, enlighten us, Scooter. Find all the stories about Christian societies that force women to cover their entire body, that punish them by honor killings and/or maiming, that stone rape victims for adultery, that count a woman’s testimony as 1/4 that of a man’s, etc. etc.
I’d much rather be with my husband and my Christian male friends – we go out, I drive, I vote, I work, I have an education. So don’t even try comparing the two because it makes you look like a rube.
There is no better way to control women than hoodwink them into thinking abortion gives them ‘equality’ with men. Which, of course, is what the pro-aborts here want. Consequence-free sex.
Who gives a crap if the women who have abortions suffer from it mentally/physically or wind up dead? They’re just “statistics” and made-up stories.
As Kathy at Five Feet of Fury said:
I think that’s summed up nicely in all these PDS comments.
Yes – and they put the biggest rights, LIFE and religious freedom – at the top. Or did you forget that, too?
It sure is. First of all a Down’s Syndrome child has every right to a life and from my experience they are a joy to be around. In fact I would much rather be around a person with Down’s Syndrome than a liberal
Secondly my mother was 44 when she had my little brother. He is now a neurosurgeon, saving lives. Would you say she should not have had him?
Think before you write.
i am a public school teacher who works with mostly left leaners…when palin was announced as vp choice they were shocked mccain picked a WOMAN! these the same people who trumpet a woman right to choose now we have woman who CHOSE life over DEATH and apparently so has her daughter… and they are now bashing those CHOICES what a bunch of low life hypocrits!!!!!
My mother, bless her soul, is a life long democrat. She has never voted for a republican in her life, but now she will vote for McCain and Palin.
She is 89.
I bet democrats would make some wise crack that she is too old to vote. Well she is one sharp cookie and still drives from son to son. She is tired of the democrats pushing abortion. She is a former factory worker and union member. She is the type of person being alienated by the Democrats and Obama.
Good gracious. It’s this sort of asinine commentary that will push people over the edge into the McCain camp. Given that liberals prefer women wait until their 30s or 40s to have children (you know, gotta get that high-powered career otherwise you’re a detriment to society and all that), this isn’t uncommon. A co-worker of mine had a child at 40; my father and his twin brother were born when my grandmother was 41.
Have you ever heard of “choice”? Many of the pro-abortion folk here hurl that word around a lot when it comes to killing a child. From what I understand, Trig Palin was an “oops” baby – unplanned. Those things happen. Even with birth control.
Palin choose not to abort him because he had a disability. Trig is her son, for better or worse, and she will love him regardless of his supposed imperfections.
But, of course, because that’s not the “choice” the liberals want women to make, she will be attacked for it. Same thing with Bristol. Had she sneaked off and had an abortion behind her parents’ backs, she’d be a hero. Instead, she’s a “whore” and a “slut”…
You people really, really disgust me.
So just because the local school administration says they know better than I do, I have to fathom a high school football coach teaching my kids all about sex in his Health class?
Sen. Obama has declared it to be unfair:
Are you in disagreement with the senator on this?
Maybe, but it’s wholly conjecture on your part. Mr. Palin does not have a political career. Does this mean that union workers should not concentrate on their careers either? Or does this only apply to women?
Strawman.
That’s your opinion and really was not my point. Your previous posts alluded to the fact that Sarah was somehow punishing Bristol by deciding to run for vice-president and did not consider the embarrassment she would face.
Also, Bristol is, what, 17? I have little doubt that Bristol has told her mother her opinion, but I realize that is conjecture on my own part.
Disagreeing with you does not make it indecent or nonsensical. As I mentioned previously, there would still have been bloggers and those crying scandal as Sarah Palin is currently a governor. Granted, not to the same degree, but it still would have been there.
Is it common sense to run away or quit because someone will try to bring you down?
Did you go to my high school because that totally sounds like my Health Class experience.
englishqueen01
Any societal creation is imperfect. The only true freedom we have is are relationship with our creator.
Anyone listen to Dr. Laura today? I guess she went on a vicious rant about Sarah.
Wow, I can’t read all those posts, but I am wondering about something. How can you libs, who demand, subsidized daycare, even at the workplace, criticize Palin for not spending time(5 hours of nuturing?) with her baby? If it was up to most of you, once she found out the baby had DS, you would have pushed for an abortion.
englishqueen01
Maybe. In my town, back then, the coaches and the cops dated high school girls, and some female teachers went out with high school boys.
Think about what the left is trying to tell us while you read this.
Deuteronomy 29 ; 18 NIV
18 Make sure there is no man or woman, clan or tribe among you today whose heart turns away from the LORD our God to go and worship the gods of those nations; make sure there is no root among you that produces such bitter poison.
19 When such a person hears the words of this oath, he invokes a blessing on himself and therefore thinks, “I will be safe, even though I persist in going my own way.” This will bring disaster on the watered land as well as the dry.
As obama persists in going his own way, trying to convince others to turn away from God in doing so.
or the Amplified Bible version
True. But I, for one, think the Constitution is pretty darn close to emulating the natural law of God for mankind.
Guess not.
Pretty much. One feminist (and I’ll find the link and post it when I can) basically said it should be illegal for women to be stay-at-home mothers.
So they don’t care for women who leave the plantation, so to speak. We’re lost causes to them.
At least sex is proven (a “fact of life”) and not religious beliefs that have no place in public education. I see your point, but personally I feel that my community would be better served if kids who don’t learn what they should at home can learn at school so they can avoid being punished with an STD, if not a baby. (If I have to pick, I would go with no sex, no religion rather than both).
By the way, isn’t this the kind of “identify politics” that conservatives are supposed to abhore?
According to Carly Fiorina, Obama can’t criticize Sarah Palin’s lack of experience because that’s “sexist treatment.”
Looking at all this liberal “love” and “support” being expressed for a working mom one can only wonder where Penn & Teller’s camera crew is when we need them most.
Blessings are us, Blessings are our future. Punishment is ignoring our Blessings…our dear sweet Blessings.
Now Now Navywife, you know very well that a fact to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.. You have to go easy on them or they will all end up back on the top floor, in the “secured area” of the hospital..
englishqueen01
I love our constitution. There is no greater creation in human history. All of achievements in the arts and sciences pale by comparison. Our constitution limits the power of government and allows us to have the ultimate freedom. Our relationship with GOD.
I would have no problem with this as long as a parent can opt out. Same with evolution. Right now we kind of have a quasi-religion (secularism), that dictates what is true even if it contradicts religious beliefs. This is what creates the animosity. I say this as a non-Christian.
Only one Dem/Lib answer for that–she’s racist.
Hadn’t seen it before you mentioned it and it’s OT, but I agree with you on this.
Fiorina should leave the sexism out of it.
The only questionable statement, in my opinion, came from Biden’s comment about her being “good looking”. That’s a bit borderline and a gaffe.
The inherent contradiction in your statement has already been addressed but it’s still enlightening to follow it to its logical conclusion: that you have pulled the rug from under your feet for any speaking out against any society that does something you may feel is wrong. Genocide in Darfur is ok because their society, at least the side with the weapons, says it’s right. Genocide in Germany, the side with the weapons said it’s right. Stalin, Pol Pot, the sides with the weapons butchered millions because they said it was right. Now I see why liberals are so much for gun control, they want to be the only side with the weapons.
AMEN brother!
Picture worth a thousand
wordslives!The one good thing to come out of all these calls for Universal Health Care, Hillarycare, Obamacare, or whatever you call it; is that the wait to have an abortion will likely exceed nine months.
Thanks for posting my picture Michelle, it’s great to see such a positive reaction to my newest creation.
If only it were so. More likely the abortion line will be set up like the express lane at Kroger. Maybe even a candy-free express lane so the surviving children don’t incovenience anyone further by asking for candy.
/sarc off
Not likely. Abortions will receive top priority – if you’re dying of brain cancer, they’ll probably give you some steroids and directions how to write a will.
Then, of course, there’s always the strong possibility eco-nuts could get their hands on a one-child policy and force abortions on women to avoid them giving birth to eco-disasters.
The bigger government is, the more it can take away from you.
Four kids with two of them being adopted. I believe in blessings.
I have been busy dodging tornados from Gustav so I was not able to respond earlier to Scooter 36.
Scooter 36, you are not worthy to gut and clean her moose! And neither is Joe Biden! In case you do not recall, Joe managed to slam his wife when he accepted the VP slot by saying her education was a problem. She apparently has her PHD. Shame on her! Joe has spent more time in the past 30 years letting hot air escape from his body than actually doing something regarding the failings of our government. This senator that you apparently are so fond of is the nut that actually wanted to divide Iraq into 3 parts and every foreign expert said that was lunacy and would allow the nuts in Iran to take over Iraq. I also remember a story about Biden wanting to give Iran millions of dollars after 9-11.
Yep, I think Sarah the “Cuda” is going to kick his ass and that is exactly why the Dems and people like you are terrified of her. She is a babe, smart, no nonsense and a real ass kicker when it comes to corruption. She is everything we Conservative women have been, are, will be and can be and that scares the hell out of Democrats. And we love life and multiply! Notice how the Left is not having children at the rate we do. If we cannot have children we go out and adopt them. We love life and we are raising our children to love this country, serve this country and to put Liberals on the defense every chance we can. Some of us actually teach our kids to shoot a gun and to cling to the faith in our Bibles. Scary! LOL!
That pungent smell of mendacity seems to be permeating the air Scooter and you reek!
Gotta run, that crazy weather alarm is going off again. Hope you people in Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Texas and Louisiana are okay. For those north of this storm be ready for major rain and tornados! Make sure your pictures and keepsakes are up high or in plastic containers. We will be out soon and helping out everyone because so many helped out our state when we needed it. Haley said it so correctly the other night when he said we owe a great debt to many, many states that came to our aid! THANKS from my fellow Mississippians!