Thanks to those of us who have stuck to our priciples the R ticket now has a real conservative in the VP slot. If folks like you, who are stuck on stupid, would have withheld your support, he’d have had no choice by now but to have caved on the other issues as well.

Oh, you think so do you?

Go ahead Joy, keep deluding yourself. Keep telling yourself that you and others like you here at MM are so pure and righteous in your conservative principals that the McCain camp has read your words and the candidate is bending over backwards, especially for you.

The McCain camp is doing what it does for the sake of the country and for ALL Americans, Joy.

John McCain is a shrewd politician who knows his way around American politics with his eyes shut and his hands tied behind his back.

He’s didn’t bring Palin on board because the Christians on this forum were pouting, stomping their little feet and demanding to have their way OR ELSE. He didn’t bring Palin on board for the arrogant elitists here at MM who are so lacking in Christian humility that they believe themselves to be a collective instrument of God, and think that they’ve ushered in Sarah Palin as God’s gift to humanity all by themselves.

Yeesh… I purposely stayed away from the “condiment” thread for just this reason. I just couldn’t stomach the self-serving comments.

You think far too much of yourself, Joy… as do many here.

I’m curious to know where all that money will go. Anyone answer that?

On September 3rd, 2008 at 12:04 am, Bill Grant said:

If you think a last minute rally by these self proclaimed uber conservatives will be enough to keep this incredibly well financed Machine of Obamas out you are completely wrong.

I truly wonder how well financed Oblahblah actually is, and how much is hype.

As for financing, did you miss the 10 mil brought in in the three days since Palin was named?

There is energy now in the base, including me, who will now donate to McCain. I had refused at all levels for the past year and a half.

Sorry Bill, I just can’t consider the Palin family as “baggage”.

I was referring to the fact that it diminishes McCain’s “experience” argument but you are free to consider or not consider whatever you want. Your considerations may or may not win the election. There were capable people who could have run along side McCain that were effectively vetoed by the right because they didn’t pass some litmus test. Now you have been given everything that was asked for and it is still evidentially not enough for some.

The game of chicken is over. Since he is taking public financing it might be even too late to contribute. If you think a last minute rally by these self proclaimed uber conservatives will be enough to keep this incredibly well financed Machine of Obamas out you are completely wrong.

“I keep asking, if McCain, who will have the support of Rs AND Ds supposedly (according to Bill) can’t get amnesty passed, how will b. Hussein who won’t have the support of both? Rs will finally start acting like Rs! And with the lowest approval ratings of any congress ever, I highly doubt the Ds will gain.”

I think this will answer your question, I am not sure because it wasn’t technically coherent.

Presidents sign bills into law or veto them when they come in from Congress. Obama will have a democrat-controlled senate and a democrat controlled House of Representatives and doesn’t have to worry about alienating his base by signing Amnesty. If you were to raise a fuss with Obama he will just write you off as a bigot.

McCain will be against a democrat congress that he has no incentive to cooperate with on this. He has also promised to secure the borders first by getting the governors to sign off on border security. The governors have no incentive to do that because it will mean less money coming at them in order to secure the borders. Additionally, it offers pro enforcement people an opportunity to prevent a reform bill that isn’t on our terms.

One more thing, if you are still reading, If McCain is promoted to commander and chief he will be out of the law writing business. He will be replaced with a conservative from the good people of Arizona. If Obama is promoted he will just be replaced with another Chicago political machine open borders scumbag.

If you think you gain influence by losing elections you are wrong.
And if you don’t think McCain can get Amnesty passed what are you objection to at this point?

On September 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 pm, Bill Grant said:

I can’t believe you would even consider saying that. McCain has reversed himself on immigration, on offshore drilling, on picking a candidate who could have brought in a battle ground state and won the race to pick the conservative wet dream that was being demanded here, baggage and all

Sorry Bill, I just can’t consider the Palin family as “baggage”.

Do you think Joe Biden also had a nice tea with Michele Obama, or do you think it illustrates exactly how little McCain actually thinks of or cares about Palin’s conservative roots?

Me.I’m in the latter camp.

So because they had tea it illustrates exactly how little McCain thinks of or cares about conservatives….

You can’t make this stuff up. That just makes no sense what so ever.

“Bill, McCain is not listening to us when he needs our votes, how do you think he’ll listen when he no longer needs them?”

I can’t believe you would even consider saying that. McCain has reversed himself on immigration, on offshore drilling, on picking a candidate who could have brought in a battle ground state and won the race to pick the conservative wet dream that was being demanded here, baggage and all as well as other issues he has abandoned or shoved aside to appease the all or nothing crowd. He has REPEATEDLY demonstrated to you that he IS listening.

“I remember McCain/Kennedy, not Obama/Kennedy.”

That’s because Obama was only in the senate for 143 days before he started running for president and his only legislative accomplishment that he can honestly take credit for is the, brace yourself: Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act. The only thing this fool that you WANT to elect can honestly take credit for is a bill that sends money to the Congo.

“SO much so I might write in Bill Grant”

I am not running either. Unless you want anyone who so much as looks at us wrong vaporized by a full on thermal nuclear first strike you do not want me elected.

John, Do the Right Thing!

Oblablah has HopeyChangey

McCain/Palin should have Do the Right Thing

It should be the bases rallying cry.

Me.I’m in the latter camp. She’s a trojan horse. Once McCain is elected, her opinion on foreign policy and immigration will cease to be a factor.

As will ours. Again.

It is just plain too late for this nonsense. It is time to get off the fence and decide.

I agree with Bill Grant. As for immigration pre se, the opinion polls are on our side not the dems, so sooner not later even McCain will have to deal with it in the proper way (Border Enforcement, and then a debate as to whether we really want to enlarge or shrink the level and origin of immigration). I urge patience, and keeping the longterm in view, and be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater in november.

As some here will remember, I’m one of the “I’d rather be waterboarded” crowd but will state now that I am willing to listen to McCain’s speech at this convention (Gov. Palin’s as well). His support, or lack of support, for the above plank will help me decide whether to vote for them or not. I think the Governor was an excellent choice but it is McCain who will be driving the wagon. So, we’ll wait and see.