Not all is well in GOP land
I will continue to monitor and spotlight ongoing P.D.S. (it’s the subject of my syndicated column tomorrow), but all is not well in GOP land.
Three items to dampen your convention enthusiasm:
1) Stacy McCain reports on the McCain camp’s dissing of stalwart conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly.
What the hell are they thinking?
2) One of the speakers on stage tonight was Tommy Espinoza of the RAZA (Race) Development Fund, the open-borders, tax-subsidized group, ethnic supremacist that encourages illegal immigration. (Via Lonewacko).
Juan Hernandez approves.
3) And speaking of Juan Hernandez, he’s quoted here in La Opinion busily lobbying for McCain:
El representante de McCain, Juan Hernández, dijo a los pastores reunidos en Vanguard que el republicano no sólo está alineado con ellos en los valores de aborto, matrimonio gay y el nombramiento de jueces conservadores a la Suprema Corte de Justicia.
“Él, McCain, estuvo con nosotros cuando era necesario”, dijo Hernández, refiriéndose repetidamente al liderazgo del republicano en 2006 al copatrocinar un proyecto de reforma migratoria junto al senador demócrata Ted Kennedy. “Yo sé cómo es su corazón y lo que siente sobre los hispanos y los inmigrantes”.
I’ll let you translate.
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What they were thinking with Schlafly was that the pick is bombing with everyone but the base. It’s worth slighting the base in order to keep Palin from annoying any more voters. It’s not rocket science.
And, to make it clear, I liked Sarah Palin. I like the story. Even though we disagree on most things, she has done a great job firing corrupt officials and working for Alaska. But I would really prefer it if she stayed in Alaska.
The L_O_T_E CAMP is up to its OLD tricks…
Phyllis Schlafly is an heroic figure who has fought for the LIFE of the UN-BORN for a VEERRYY long time..
How dare the MC Camp break a promise…OH WAIT …it’s NO-Thing new!!!
And I’d prefer you climb back under your rock and never come back out but we can’t all get what we wish for now can we?
Palin seems good, but she also seems similar to Obama in messianic status.
This is beyond odd. Why on earth would you cancel something that important? Surely this event wasn’t going to consume that amount of time!
And the bus keeps rolling . . . hey, what’s that under our tires? Just keep rolling.
Sorry, Michelle, but I thought it was a good night — especially given the hard start forced by first night’s cancellation — and I refuse to let anyone, including you, take away from it.
There’ll be plenty of time between the end of the convention and November to be downbeat, depressing and defeatist for the sole sake of it, like “Allahpundit” over on Hot Air. For now, I’m feeling pretty good about the convention.
I said on Friday:
I must say that dissing Phyllis Schlafly (for the third time this election season) absolutely makes me livid at McCain!
McCain gave her the finger when he refused to show up for the September 17, 2007 Values Voter Debate.
McCain gave her the finger again when he refused to show up for a March 3, 2008 Values Voter Debate.
Now McCain has given her the finger again.
That is bad news. McCain clearly doesn’t understand why the base is electrified over Sarah Palin, and McCain still cares more about his back-room deal crowd than he does about “We the People”.
I’m optimistic that Sarah will eventually shine the light on McCain’s corruption.
It’s not “defeatist” to refuse to look the other way at the GOP’s flaws and the McCain camp’s open-borders roots.
Yes, these things are not great news. However, I think John McCain –with who we could agree 70-80%–still should get our vote; and when he gets in, and should he start going down a less-than-ideal road, we will call, write and in general pepper him with the ‘feedback’ he needs and force him to do the right thing. Consider the alternative, people. Obama the marxist–with whom we agree on nothing—or McCain, with whom we can at least get their ear. McCain has shown he’s listening with the Palin pick. Let’s give him a chance to at least get into office. Obama will be a complete nightmare if he gets in. Remember, Obama didn’t care if born-alive babies died, and now he wants to make medical decisions for you. Do you think you’ll get any mercy from him, should he be deciding whether you get certain treatment or not? I don’t even want to find out….
Remind Mr. McCain (or more likely one of his enlightened supporters) that dissing Phyllis Schlaffly is not cool if he wants conservatives on board. I’ve already done this tonight on his Senate site..
Getting Sarah Palin on the ticket was a good first step for reconcilliation between John McCain and conservatives, but we must remind him that he (or more likely his staff) must not take conservatives for granted.
Start writing folks.
Made me LOL
The problem isnt Palin the problem has always been at the top of the ticket.
That said there is not one other candidate that could have united the party like Sarah did.
Mitt and Huck would have done everything in their power to destroy the other. That disqualified each guy.
Pawlenty would have been the safe pick but would he really have ignited the base ?
Ridge and Liebermann were non starters.
We have to fight but that doesnt mean we should get discourage before the fight starts.
And certain aspects of the platform can be added here as well. UGH!
However, this is why we must elect a Conservative Congress as well as McCain. We really have no other choice. There is no way I am going to have THE ONE running this country along with Rev. Wright, Raila Odinga, Bill Ayers, Axelrod, Soros or Howard the Screamer Dean. Hopefully a Conservative Congress will remind McCain that he is pro-life and not to treat Ms. Schlafly in this manner. I have tremendous respect for her and when she speaks, I listen.
One note to add here is that she railed against Mike Huckabee. I mean she slammed him when he was in the primary. Is there any chance this was done via Huckahu Akbahr? The man carries a grudge like no other. Just curious.
McCain even sent feelers out to Ron Paul but Paul too insane to even understand.
I’m really starting to believe there is a subset of the Republican party that is just as childish, just as immature as those on the left.
You don’t want a Presidential candidate, you want a puppet who will jump when you yank the strings. You want someone who knows “his place” at your feet.
I’m also beginning to believe you really want Obama to win this year so you can play the suffering martyrs. If Only they’d done what I told them to do, We’d have a strong Conservative President who obeys our every whim and all would be right with the world.
There’s a whole lot of arrogance and magical thinking going on this election and it’s not all from the left.
I am also concerned about the polls showing Obama up 8 points. I’ve heard some commentators say that this is because of the Palin pick, and I must say that there is a part of me that begins to wonder if this is true. I am so nervous over this election that a part of my mind keeps thinking that I should stock up on canned goods and water because if Obama wins, then I think things could get really ugly price wise. I know it may sound a bit alarmist, but the guy sounds so much like a socialist that it scares me.
I just figured out what’s going on here…
VP candidate Palin is being surrounded by “those in the know”… BUT…they haved shown that they do not always KNOW>>>
Sarah Palin-I know that you are on a crash course w/ the Bush boys to give you foreign policy info–You have never let anyone push you around -AFA I have been told SOO-tell the lackeys at the Mc camp that you will be speaking at the Republicans for Life event as promised!!!!!
c-LFL
On September 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 am, freeus said:
That was totally uncalled for and just plain wrong.
Mike Huckabee has the highest respect for Phyllis Schlafly, even crediting her 1964 book “A Choice Not An Echo” with leading him to become a Republican in a state that was overwhelmingly Democrat.
Mike Huckabee was preferred 65 to 1 over John McCain at Schlafly’s Values Voter Debate.
Your ad hominem attack on Mike Huckabee was vile.
You have no idea what role Mike Huckabee played in helping to make Sarah Palin McCain’s VP choice.
If not for Mike Huckabee, McCain probably would have kept his February 6th promise to Mitt Romney, and the McCain-Romney ticket would have lost to Obama-Biden.
Thank God for Mike Huckabee. He probably did more than anyone else in this country to put together a winning Republican ticket and prevent the Obama Nation.
He deserves your respect and your thanks, not your ridicule.
Let me guess…you’re a Romney supporter, right?
Hear, hear, Sanddog.
I think some folks are a bit unrealistic in thinking that a perfect candidate in all things is possible.
It’s politics, folks. Politics is adulterated with compromise and pandering because it’s a dirty game. Always has been, always will be.
Don’t believe the media.
Don’t worry about the polls … they’re fixed.
Really.
MSM bias in “poll” format.
Read Phyllis Schlafly’s book. It’s been as appropriate in this election as it was when she wrote it in 1964.
On September 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 am, FIslam said:
Uh, there is a slight difference.
Hussein is worshipped for the PC aspect of his “exotic” aspect and the mind-numbed status of his followers.
Palin is appreciated for her stance on issues, her apparent ability to actually do things, and her hot looks. (Okay, I guess the media has that last one for Hussein as well.)
As for the rest of this thread: Has anyone ever heard the term, “self-defeating”? Because McCain has flaws, and even disses someone you appreciate, “not all is well in GOP land”. You are taking things like that personally and then eating the one that, for better or worse, is literally your ONLY chance of being that “One” who threatens our country and our way of life.
It has less to do with being a “team player” than it does with, to use the slogan, “puting the country first.” That is, putting the cause ahead of preferences, tastes, and judging by the people here, most importantly, offenses taken. John McCain and/or Sarah Palin could walk up to my grandmother and rip the prescription drugs right out of her mouth, and then take every penny of her Social Security check away, and I’d still campaign for them and vote for them. Because right now, we need them. Hate the situation all you want. Pout and play self-indulgent “Me Generation” crap all you want. But that is the situation.
Conservatives and the Right have been too individually self-focused for too long to complain about this. Perhaps had they spent less of the last few decades focusing on their portfolios and careers and more of them focusing on promoting the principles and causes which we hold dear, a candidate more in line with our preferences would be leading the ticket. Perhaps had more rank-and-file sacrificed a few hours or days of work–or at least a few hours of fun time–to volunteer in campaigns, their influence would be more felt. And perhaps had commentator, pundits, bloggers, and the like focused more on encouraging to the base and more targeting on THE OTHER SIDE–while being honest to the reality of the situation–as opposed to undercutting people to grow their own careers, the entire situation in both society and the Conservative/Right community would be different.
The responses will be something to the effect of not wanting to abandon the principles to win. Yet so many are abandoning or undercutting actions related to holding and maintaining those principles.
The liberals will support Hussein. The overt Socialists will support Hussein. The Communists openly support Hussein. And some mind-numbed worshippers will support Hussein. We don’t have time for this.
The four candidates who did not attend the Values Voter Debate all conspired together to make McCain the nominee.
Correction:
You are taking things like that personally and then eating the one that, for better or worse, is literally your ONLY chance of BEATING that “One” who threatens our country and our way of life.
I can see the jokes now, but please consider the substance of my post above.
Ok Michelle, here’s the translation I got through Google Translation Service:
Qouting Juan Hernandez –
“The representative of McCain, Juan Hernandez, told the pastors gathered at Vanguard that the Republican is not only aligned with them on the values of abortion, gay marriage and appointing conservative judges to the Supreme Court.
“Him, McCain was with us when needed,” said Hernandez, referring repeatedly to the Republican leadership in 2006 to co-sponsor a draft immigration reform next to Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy. “I know how his heart and his feelings about Hispanics and immigrants.”
So, McCain got the message on immigration. OK. Whose message?
And what better alternative will there be in November? Come 2009 it will be either Obama or McCain moving to the White House. Choose carefull…and wisely, my Friends.
Tommygun:
I know. We’re at war and the last thing we need is partisan bickering and hyperbole.
It’s time to unite and defeat Obama.
Any energy expended otherwise only serves the enemy.
OOPs – That’s Google Translate, not Google Translation Service. I apologize for my hasty error.
I’m starting to lose my Palin buzz.
Where’s the link, Mookie, and why on this thread?
On this thread because it talks about all not being well in GOP-land. I still haven’t heard a single comment from Palin on immigration. There’s been no mention of her position. I like her very much and think she’s a force to be reckoned with. But I feel like there’s some important things we don’t know.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palin_Good_for_the_Jews.html#comments
We will defeat the Obama Nation, but we can’t forget that we have to keep up the fight against our own nominee!
Juan McAmnesty wants to champion many of the far-left’s objectives:
* Amnesty for 20+ Million Proletariat
* Socialist AGW taxes
* Opposition to drilling in ANWR (I don’t think he’s changed his mind yet)
* “Agents of Intolerance” (He has never apologized for those remarks. Rather, he has said that he will not apologize and those remarks were “carefully thought out”)
John McCain, under pressure, made a fantastic pick with Sarah Palin. But John McCain is continuing to show us that he is no friend of conservatives.
He has talked the talk. Now walk the walk.
Now you’ve done it – the correction will follow shortly…
“A McCain presidency would be so much better than an Obama presidency.”
My response: we’ll see.
2nd Amendment? Gun Owners of America’s assessment.
Judges? McCain voted to confirm Breyer and Ginsburg.
Illegal Immigration/Border Security? There’s a half-beaten, but not yet dead horse.
Free speech? Yeah, that McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform is really working out well…
Illegal immigration probably wasn’t a big problem in Alaska. I’m guessing MS13 just couldn’t hack it in Nome or Fairbanks.
On September 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 am, Mookie said:
That description is nothing.
That is theological, not political. It neither condones the actions of the towelheads nor encourages a negative political view of the Jewish people or State of Israel. The Left, being anti-religion and socialist, are so incapable of seeing the distinction between the spiritual realm (that means, God’s higher will) and the earthly plane, where we as humans exercise moral agency. The concept of problems coming on a people as a result of a moral or spiritual failing is nothing radical.
Now, the counter to that statement would be the indeed correct assessment that most people today are too stupid to understand that. The answer would be, of course, to educate them. I do not mean, give them a theology class, but rather explain to them how the Left has over the decades blurred the distinction. Show them the (non-denominational, virtually ecumenical) light out of the mind-distortion wrought by the Left.
(Hey, that may be the first time I have used the word, “wrought” in serious conversation!)
Sanddog,
Reading your comment, I have to admit to having occasional thoughts that it might, indeed, be best for the GOP to lose this time around – my utter disgust for the Stalinists of the Democrat party notwithstanding.
I don’t think it’s childish, though. I think it’s quite rational. If the pundits are correct, and we are doomed to have strong Democrat control of both houses; what in John McCain’s past leads you to believe anything good for the country will come of his election?
There’s one area where McCain could potentially be a significant improvement over The One: Supreme Court nominations. But do you really believe McCain would go to the mat for a Scalia/Alito/Roberts type nominee in the face of a Senate split, say 60/40 Dem to GOP? Hell, he sold us out when Frist was ready to settle the matter once and for all – stealing defeat from the jaws of victory and selling outstanding circuit court nominees down the river!
In my most despondent moments I think there’s more to be gained by letting the Dems take full responsibility for the consequences of 4 years of unbridled leftism, than there is by having McCain implement most of those same policies, with the GOP taking the blame because our guy is at the top. And I have to tell you, those despondent moments are occuring with greater and greater frequency.
McCain BELIEVES in the Global Warming scam. He BELIEVES in open borders. He BELIEVES that the First Amendment is an inconvenient obstacle to well-regulated political speech. He BELIEVES that people like Phyllis Schlafly are embarrassing neanderthals. What on earth is there to make us think he won’t act on those beliefs with no significant conservative opposition to them?
I’ll probably vote for McCain/Palin. If not, I’ll vote for Barr. In either event, I don’t know how disappointed I’ll be if McCain loses and we’re rid of him once and for all.
ITookTheRedPill,
I was a Fred Thompson guy, with no real reason to dislike Huckabee. I disagreed with him on Global Warming and borders, but had no real animus toward him. I must admit, though, that I really did aquire a disdain for him as the race went on for one reason only: his persistent belittling of Mitt Romney.
Again, I was NOT a Romney guy, but Huckabee’s ongoing vendetta really made him seem like a petulant guy to me.
Maybe you can enlighten, what, exactly does he have against Romney? Did Romney once steal a girfriend of his or something? Seriously, it was obviously very personal and I never saw Romney – who seems like a quite decent, if boring, guy – reciprocate.
The reason I strongly support McCain/Palin is not because I like John MCCain-I don’t -once he is in office I will not turn my back on him for a second.
I will support McCain/Palin because it gives us a chance to have at minimum a trustworthy conservative to take over the reins after McCain is gone…and considering his age…that could happen sooner than we know-and then perhaps not.
Had McCain not picked Palin, but say Lieberman, Pawlenty, or Ridge..you could then have formed a decent argument to let the GOP lose, have Obama let loose, and then watch him go down in flames and then save the day ala 1980 with an I-told-you-so conservative in 2012. In fact, the McCAin/whatever ticket would have been dreary and unexciting without Palin, guaranteeing a democrat win.
Now that McCain has picked her, McCain now has the chance to finish off Obama-if he doesn’t screw up his new relationship with conservatives…
Don’t mistake the left’s attack on Palin. It is a straightforward thrust to remove her moral authority that stands in stark contrast to almost every other would-be vp candidate and every Democrat outside of perhaps Dell Miller. She, I stress again, is a natural leader; her strength is her integrity, honesty and love of country, family and life. The Democrat smear machine is totally focused on slinging crap in hopes that it will stick.
My take on her character is that she is made of sterner stuff, and will both remain unfazed by the relentless attacks AND, importantly, will shepherd her family and friends through.
Tonight she will deal the deathblow to the Obama candidacy.
ps, about the natural leader point: it is why all McCain needed was a single face to face meeting. All those other tired Republican hacks didn’t stand a chance once he scheduled that meeting. And all these talking heads who go on and on about experience or whatever, they don’t get it.
Go back and look how she interacts with the National Guard troops. The comparison with Obama is almost unfair — he comes off like a sneak thief pretender, she like a Queen.
Regulus,
.
I too enjoyed the first night.
T – 18 hours until all the fears of
the left will be confirmed
MCCAIN/PALIN
Rusty does bring up a point there. In a way, it’s a shame she is running for VP. If she does win the VP, she won’t have the power to do much of anything, in D.C.. President of the Senate is rather a useless job, unless there is a vote tie. She’ll remain in the background, unless the MSM wants to attack her. Perhaps it will be a stepping-stone to a office that will give her the authority to continue the fight against corruption. Lord knows, it will be a steep uphill battle in Washington. I hope that’s the case. Just a word of warning, Sarah. If you go hunting, just make sure you know exactly what you’re shooting at. The MSM will be watching your every move for criticism, and if they don’t have anything, they will invent something.
Michelle, I don’t normally find myself disagreeing with you too much. Even on this issue, I’m sympathetic to your intent. What I think some people may find a bit jarring is your timing: there are those of us who think that Obama’s bad enough that we should get behind McCain 100%, regardless of his flaws. At least we have a chance of ironing out his policy deficiencies after the election. In contrast, do you really think Obama’s going to flip-flop on infanticide?
La Raza can be taken care of later. Keep the focus.
My McCain vote is only for new Supreme Court nominations. The activist in the judiciary have been in control for 40 years. When did we begin to have real socially engineered problems. HMMMMMM 40 years ago. The left’s legislations can only stand with a court standing behind them.
What the..??? What is it with this guy? Every time he just about convinces the base he’s worthy of our support, he puts the knife in our back again. Clearly McCain is not to be trusted. La Raza have no business being there either – might as well have put the KKK on stage. My vote has gone back to undecided again (but never Obama).
McPain.
Uhh missing a lunch on the day Palin is about to make the most important speech of her life is not dissing orknifing anyone! Am I missing the point? Communications should have been better, but the convention schedulers have got to be going nuts trying to make the shortened convention work. I’m guessing they would all be junior folks with serious Microsoft project or primavera skills. You want distain and disrespect tune into Kos, NBC, or worst of all Huff Poo. I’m not saying she wasn’t disrespected, but she could have been told as soon as the decision was made or three hours after (then they should have looked for someone senior), we don’t know. I’m now going over to Kos to get me some fact free speculation from where it belongs.
Gene
Look folks; we can bicker all we want to about triviata and shoulda’s, but in the end, it’s either McCain or the Socialist. Bottom line. That’s it. Focus on the goal or we’ll have a loooong time to discuss all the tidbits.
I love my homegirl Phyllis, but I’m not buying it. Those $95 tickets were sold long, long before Sarah Palin’s name was announced.
I guess some Republicans aren’t happy unless they’re stirring the pot.
Not had my coffee yet so I’m cranky, but the right has lost control of the terms of the immigration debate. The Dims and Media have had great success (even in the Korean community) of selling the lie that anti-illegal immigration is anti-immigration. It’s exactly the same lie as conservatives are against sex because they oppose teen sex or Republicans are against the poor because they want to eliminate poverty. It doesn’t matter if we have the all facts if they get to pick the words.
Noooo let’s get huffy (pun intended) because Palin missed a lunch because of a valid reason (IF Palin missed the lunch because of a stupid reason please resume the scheduled McCain bashing, BUT NOT till then)
FruNobulux, I was reading that the same way. With a blog as popular as this one, you could influence folks to just sit it out. I translated Juan Hernandez’s statement above and it appears that he was speaking pro-life, anti-gay marriage and strong constructionist judges. While I have a big problem with illegal immigration, I do not have a problem with Mexicans. I don’t fault them for wanting to come to America. If I lived in Mexico I am pretty sure I would be doing everything I could to get here, too. If there is no fence or gaurds, I don’t believe you could keep me out. Yes, I can find plenty of faults with Senator John McCain, but I cannot find one positive thing about Barack Obama. I can appreciate both sides of the argument though.
What strikes me is the irony of the Convention theme, “America First,” juxtaposed over the open borders, decimate America policy. How is opening the border to illegals putting America First?????
Phyllis Schlafly has been a stalwart against amnesty and open borders. Of course she was dissed. McCain has not changed his mind about amnesty at all. If he doesn’t, he won’t get my vote.
You will have no leverage after you have voted for amnesty. He is showing you the knife he intends on shoving in your back.
Mookie #29 – Have you ever listened to “Jews for Jesus” in a church setting? If so, were you there as a born again, Bible believing Christian? If so, then you would understand what Jews for Jesus is all about. They are doing exactly what they’ve been commanded to do by Jesus and that is spreading the Good News of Jesus. They are pointing out to their fellow Jews that they missed the boat and that the Messiah came 2000 years ago and that they are wasting their time still looking for him to appear on on earth for the first time.
And yes, Jews do not like them. Much the same way Muslims don’t like to hear Christians spreading the Good News to their followers.
Jews for Jesus is doing a good work and they help fellow Christians to understand the bridge between the Jewish religious system of sacrifice and feasts of the Old Testament and the fulfillment of Old Testament Law in the New Testament when Jesus appeared.
Not sure why that would cause your “buzz” for Palin to diminish…
I just sent a donation to the ticket and told them not to dump Palin. I told them the ONLY reason I was contributing was Palin. They need to hear from the conservative base with strong opinions expressed.
Rest assured there are more pokes in the eye coming before the election. A leopard does not change its spots, comes to mind with mcamnesty. What happened to the gop platform posted yesterday with regards to no amensty or open borders? Didn’t take long for that to be dropped, or at least wadded up and jammed in our face. The gop is pandering to all sides. I’ll give mcamnesty credit, at least he is consistent.
It’s “Country First”, not America First. My question is, which country? Mexico?
Maybe that’s because Schlafly thinks women with children should not work.
Republicans (or Democrats) cannot win without a “big tent”. Reagan understood that (thou shall not criticize another Republican”).
On September 3rd, 2008 at 9:15 am, Virginia Patriot said:
“America First” would sound like the pre-WW2 isolationist group. “Country First” points to putting the community ahead of oneself. That is the point of his campaign.
Stephen Decatur, the naval hero, gave a famous toast about loyalty in foreign affairs. Some versions have him saying, “America–right or wrong” and some versions saying “Our country–right or wrong.” The point is the same.
I am treating your question as serious, whether you intended it seriously or not.
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On September 3rd, 2008 at 9:27 am, lgm said:
Correct. The Communists have lined up with their man Hussein. You can play “principle” and not line up with McCain. And then bask in your self-righteousness as the country you knew is transformed into something more different than can be described here.
lgm, funny that you mention Reagan’s “11th Commandment”.
MM violates it regularly.
Know this: Mookie runs a false flag operation. He pretends to be a conservative, but starts upchucking Kos talking points to justify his faux disenchantment. Mookie is a hard core left-winger. Those new to the site don’t know that he’s frequently been insulting and disrespectful to conservative posters (including my Dad).
Apparently the wolf has donned sheep’s clothing in the realization that he’s never won an argument and never will. So here’s Mookie sidling up to the flock with his “concern” about…Jews for Jesus!?!
I’ve seen Mookie less concerned about the war on Islamofascists than with peaceful proselytizing.
Hmmm, let’s see…
Aug 18th, after his Saddleback appearance, commentors here went nuts over McCain and supported him.
By Aug 22nd, MM and the rest of you hated him again and were saying you would NOT support him for whatever reason it was that week.
By Aug 29th, he asked Sarah Palin to be his running mate…and commentors here went nuts and said they would support McCain.
Here it is Sept 3rd and now you all are against McCain again…for whatever reason it is this week.
Frankly, it is any wonder we have a Republican nominee at all.
Look, if Obama gets in control of the White House and the Liberals keep control of the Congress…life as we know it is over. They will make it so that the USA is a One Party state. There will be no more elections at all. Don’t you get it???
There is so much more at stake here than we realize.
THINK people. There is no one perfect candidate any more. Even Ronald Reagan did things that made the base angry. Yes, even RR made a mistake in Lebanon and Marines were killed.
No one person is perfect. Sheesh…
On September 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 am, ritwingr said:
My response to your questions is here.
Don’t paint with too broad a stroke, Artbyruth. Not everyone here agrees with everything 100% of the time, nor do I believe that is how Michelle wants it.
Many here are concerned, and rightfully so, about McCain’s immigration stance.
After he selected Gov. Palin to be his running mate, I donated to his campaign but I still have the same doubts about his willingness to ignore the illegal immigration issue.
lgm, your invoking of Reagan’s name thinking it gives you some irrefutable point is laughable. Many here disagreed with Reagan on amnesty and still do. Doesn’t mean we don’t celebrate all the good that he did. That did not make him immune from criticism, though.
Its only two months until Nov 4th. I seriously doubt that McCain is going to all of a sudden convert to an anti-illegal immigration policy.
So, I dont know if he’s one of the band guys on the deck of the Titantic or the captain standing on the bridge, but either way, he’s going to ride that puppy all the way to the bottom of the ocean.
(yes, i know what I just wrote, dont just do a quick glance and say he’s the captain either.)
I’m all over this Palin thing, but I’m not sure if she can balance out shamnesty all by herself.
Here, Im going to give the GOP a freebie:
Quit trying to override what the majority of Americans want(closed borders and a tight immigration policy) by forcing or slipping in legislation that we dont want. You are worse than used car salesmen because WE KNOW that you are pulling a snow job on us. You are not as good at what you do, as you think you are.
Your problem is MARKETING. If a North American Union is what you really want, then sell us on it. Come straight out and tell us “This is for the good of the country and here’s how we are going to do it. Its going to hurt but in the end it will be worth it”
We may not like it, but we will respect you for it. And thats a hell of a lot
better than what we think of you now. Just FYI – I’m not the base. I’m the person you NEED in the booth, punching your ticket in November.
Artbyruth at September 3rd, 2008 at 10:14 am
Very true.
The problem comes from some odd insistence on near-perfection from candidates. You could have a candidate who agrees with some of these 95 percent of the time, and they would cry in their soup and say, “But he/she is [insert problematic position\.” Some of that comes from conservatives having foundational principles. If a candidate is off on one of them, they feel like they must cut off their nose to spite their face in order to be right with their God. They don’t realize that by doing so they are hurting the promotion of those principles, a sin for which they will answer to that very God.
The choice between Hussein and McCain is obvious. “Worse is better” doesn’t work.
1. It is far harder for the conservative/Right to repair damage done by a liberal administration, than it is for the liberal/Left to just hold the line against a conservative administration and then continue the battle in the future. It is not a mirror-image comparison.
2. The upswell of support such a strategy depends on is unreliable. Far more likely, most people just adjust to the new situation and don’t care enough to try to change things back in four or eight years, and the “principled” ones become so intense they hold candidates to an even higher standard.
In the end, it is ideological self-indulgence. They want what they want right now, no substitutes. As a result, they get none of what they want, they lose much of what they have, and those of us with enough sense to fight get screwed, too.
McCain will, at worst, not be as destructive as Hussein. Thus, in four years, there will be less repair to do. And in the meantime, more towelhead Jihadists will meet Allah, and we have a better chance at getting halfway decent judges and keeping our guns.
(And btw, to whoever posted that about McCain voting to confirm certain judges, you should know the general rule is to approve a judge unless there is some uber-bad reason not to do so. And no, “that judge has such and such a position on Issue X” is not such a reason. If liberals get into the White House, you will get liberal judges no matter who controls Congress.)
So MM, and others doing the same thing, cut with the self-defeating. What you call “refusing to look the other way at the GOP’s flaws and the McCain camp’s open-borders roots” is in fact doing the enemy’s work for them. It is self-indulgent. Our country can’t afford it, and conservatives lost any right to that a long time ago.
If John McCain really wanted to put “Country First” (and not his own ego first), he would step aside completely and let Sarah Palin pick her own running mate.
Seriously.
I don’t expect perfection, just a candidate who will uphold the oath of office and the laws of this country. Doesn’t really seem like too much to ask of a Presidential candidate.
McCain can win if he gets on the side of American citizens, he will lose if he stays on the side of illegal aliens and their employers.
It’s not self-defeating. Its like having a losing sports team that is 0-10 but even though its snowing and 5 degress outside, you are still sitting there freezing in the bleachers every week, hoping they will get their act together before it is too late.
And no matter how much you cheer for them, they still suck and they are not going to get any better without a new coach with new ideas and a whole slew of new players on the team.
Even so, you’re not going to cheer for the other team either. (well, this season anyway…)
I don’t like the amnesty thing either (my 2 1/2 year old granddaughter was spouting off Spanish on Monday and she can barely speak any English–ticked me off–spending small fortune on day-care for her to learn Spanish in fricken TN) that being said–the thought of an Obama Amin. with all the bells and whistles of Congress and the Senate–we won’t just have amnesty–we will have far worse things to worry about–the War on Terror comes to mind–becoming just like Londonistan–terrifies me (I’m not wearing a hijab).
Can’t we stop eating our own and come together to defeat Barack Hussein Obama?
O and Huckabee isn’t/wasn’t a fiscal conservative at all–just socially conservative–he didn’t seem to meet a tax he didn’t like in Arkansas.
I used to sometimes care for the five-year-old son of a lady. He was actually a great kid–smart, loyal, decent–but he was still just a kid, just a child.
I got to know him well enough I could often predict his reactions to things. One time in particular, there was something he wanted to do, but I said no, not right then. And I predicted exactly what he would say, almost word for word: “But I want to.” I told him again, no, and he repeated, as I knew he would, “BUUUT III WAAANT TO!” He wasn’t angry or disrespectful, but he did feel like wanting something meant he was entitled to it.
So often, conservatives of today strike me that way. They want certain things, but don’t put in the actual effort needed, and then want to give up when they don’t get it. They neglect the Second Amendment for decades, and then complain when Heller–a case that required years of delicate work building on years of groundlaying and selections of judges–doesn’t automatically legalize machine guns. They
And they undercut themselves with ideological purism, and then complain when they don’t get the perfect candidate.
You may want the perfect candidate, but you won’t get a viable one this year. However, you can have McCain-Palin. And you can use that administration to do what you can with it, and to set the stage in 2012 or 2016 for an even better ticket. And so on. You are utterly naive if you think one election cycle could correct it all. It took decades to get us this far in the hole; it will take at least a few elections to get us anywhere near out of it.
By taking part, you have more influence than by taking your toys and going home. Many of you tried to get a better candidate. But for whatever reason, this ticket is what you got. You can either work this ticket to do what you can, with an eye toward improvement next time, or you can pout and lose so much more.
Why should the only one of the two viable parties listen to you if you are going to jump ship whenever you don’t get your way.
Stop with the self-indulgence. Stop with the five-year-old mentality. Work this ticket. God will remember.
you are good Tommygun
We conservative Republicans are not seeking perfection. Is it to much to ask for a nominee who doesn’t hate you and the core ideals of the party? If you are anything but a Rockefeller Republican, a McCain presidency is almost as repulsive as an Obama presidency.
Well said. Got your six Tommygun!
So true, Tommygun…..so true.
Zombywolf wrote: “I don’t like the amnesty thing either…”
Neither do I because I live in Arizona! We have had to deal with McCain for a long time. But I will support him this time and I will vote for America this November.
Oh, and Joe Biden pretty much declared that an Obama Administration will leave Israel out to dry if/when Iran attacks them.
We cannot allow that to happen.
RabbidSquirrel On September 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 am:
Your analogy is perfect, in that it illustrates a problem. You are putting yourself in the place of the spectator, not the team member. You are passive. You are wanting something to be done, but you are not doing it. By being a team player (I don’t like the analogy, but it works), you actually change the situation. You may not get all of your agenda, but you have a voice to get some of it. And you keep the opposing team from winning.
You are looking for instant victory. It doesn’t work that way. It takes effort. It took decades of work for the “civil rights” movement to succeed. It took supporting imperfect candidates (Lincoln was a “racist” by modern PC standards, btw).
It took decades for gun control to advance as far as it did. It required accepting mixed outcomes (the 1986 machine gun freeze was part of the “Firearm Owners Protection Act”).
If you want your agenda to succeed, it will take time. It will take more than one cycle. And it will take supporting imperfect tickets, and building on each one. As much as I hate imitating liberals, they have shown success in incremental efforts.
Another perspective: Things are bad for the GOP and the Right right now. Think of McCain (-Palin) as a stopgap measure to hold some semblance of the line while regrouping for 2012/16. Think about more than one term or one season. Think not just about the battle, but about the war.
On September 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 am, Virginia Patriot said:
In a certain very cold political sense, and using your apparent perspective on McCain, it may indeed be too much to ask… IN THIS CYCLE. (I hate saying that, but it might just be the truth.)
Use what you have. Either McCain or Hussein will be in the White House come January. Which one will kill towelheads and let you keep your guns? Which one will at least pay lipservice to protecting the unborn? Which one will even possibly listen? And just to remind everyone, which one will have a VP in the loop who agrees with much of your agenda?
This is how the Loons on the Left operate and we are quibbling that McCain is not conservative enough. The Left is out to destroy everything the Right holds sacred and will do what ever it takes to do so–
the fight should be with the Left not the Moderate Right
We warned them and we warned them to quit digging, but everytime we turned our backs they went and dug a little deeper. And then one day, they told us, “Well the hole is already too deep to get out of, so we might as well keep digging.” (yes, I can accept the blame that I turned my back and didnt watch them 24×7, but I shouldnt have had to)
I like what you area saying but, No, I’m a realist. I understand that while we are not on a geologic timescale, we are on a generational one. The strategic vision for America is already outlined at 50 to 100 years, no matter which party is in power. The tactical vision for the next 4 to 20 years is what needs tweeking.
A good friend of mine once described me as “A conservative with liberal tendencies”. And I would prefer to not become a “Liberal with conservative tendencies”. (no worries
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A generation ago, it was necessaary to trend to Perot when I felt that Bush Sr. violated the Reagan policies and went back on his ‘No New Taxes’ platform. Unfortunately that decision led to the Clinton years; however it also led to the ‘Contract with America’ and the GOP taking power. Why they squandered what they had, baffles me to no end.
Hopefully, all can be saved and in 2024, I dont have to look back and reflect on two terms of Obama and two terms of “Biden”.
Then what’s Obama showing you and where’s he going to put it?
If you are even remotely conservative, you really have no choice but to vote McCain. Anything else is a vote for Obama.
Stupid stays home. Idiot votes third party.
I just re-read your paragraph and I agree with you. And just to kill the sports analogy a little farther…
Its true that I do not go out on the court to play for the team and I probably dont even go to watch the team practice… BUT I do sell the Nachos in the concession stand and I buy the tickets to the games and I record the games on TV to watch in the off-season and I Monday morning quarterback with my acquaintances.
Maybe one day, I will get in good enough shape to play for the team, they dont really suck that bad yet, but for right now, I want the current team to win FOR THE HOME CROWD. There is a reason that stadiums are built.
It’s really up to Sen. McCain. He can still get on the side of American citizens.
The RNC wants you to believe that you have no choice, that was the plan. I don’t have to vote for amnesty.
I will not vote for amnesty.
Virginia Patriot wrote: “I will not vote for amnesty.”
Well, with Barack Hussein Obama as President…that’s what you will definitely get.
So, prepare yourself.
I’m trying to figure out this statement, since she hasn’t even really spoken out yet, how you compare something that hasn’t yet been said with the last few years of constant almost non-stop Obama-media attention?
The “problem” it seems is that Palin has a history of advancing the traditional conservative Republican political platform. And in this alone she becomes the enemy of all Liberal Democrats as well as Progressive Republicans.
On the flip-side Obama has a history of supporting socialist political initatives so far to left of the Democratic platform that many Democrats are going to vote Republican.
This is one of the problems of the left, LGM, you guys realy think that a woman who stays at home performs no useful work…believe me they do..they are the reason why society isn’t worse off despite liberal thinking and policies.
If you want good things to happen you need to spend as much time with kids (especially your own)…those that don’t have kids who feel as you do should do the right thing and shut up.
RabbidSquirrel #81
The GOP squandered all it had because they’re clueless and operating under the delusion that Democrats can be dealt with like reasonable people. Their party leader at the time (Bush) also had the bizarre notion that they could retain power forever by acting and spending like Democrats. After six years of it, it cost them the majorities in both houses of Congress.
Now here we are, stuck with McCain, the poster child for everything that’s wrong with the Republican Party today. It kind of makes you wonder why we should go through the trouble to rebuild it again. We give them majorities and victories, then the RINOs take over and tear it all to the ground.
rumba, I think you’ve missed the bigger point regarding Schlafly speaking at the RNC. It would strain credulity for her to speak on behalf of a ticket that includes a woman with five kids when she believes as she does regarding working mothers. Politics 101.
On September 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 am, Michelle Malkin said:
You have thrown more mud at McCain then any other supposedly conservative blogger. Meanwhile you haven’t proposed a single viable solution to the Amnesty issue, just waived around the Juan Hernandez straw man. How are we going to stop a democratic congress and a democratic president from passing a true open borders agenda? You won’t have an answer for that because the pro-enforcement will have absolutely no leverage. McCain has shown that he listens to conservatives and the democrats have shown that they loathe you.
McCain took a big risk in Palin and he took it to soothe the supposed conservatives who have been more of an asset to the Obama campaign for reasons that have become more and more irrational. (Now we are mad because someone didn’t notify Phyllis Schlafly of a schedule change…. Could this approach the gravity of the “Daddy Yankee” incident?) You are showing, clearly, that it was a mistake; that perusing your vote is a waste of time because nothing will mollify your MDS. You have shown that this isn’t about perusing conservative principles; this is about venting on McCain.
We are 2 months away and McCain is 8 points down in the polls. The media is in a feeding frenzy, the convention is in shambles and you are still kicking him when he is down. You are probably going to get your way and not have him as president. Congratulations, you have helped to elect the most liberal member of the senate.
Bill Grant,
If McCain wants to win, all it would take is coming out against amnesty, the position of 75% of American citizens. Attrition through enforcement is the alternative strategy to amnesty. It is, in fact, the only way we get to keep our country. Enforcement is what Americans want. If McCain would give it to them, he would win easily. What’s holding him back is his own intransigence. He is stuck on stupid (amnesty).
Well said, Bill. After we win the war, then we work on internal problems.
She is doing exactly what the liberal peace activists do while we are fighting in Iraq. Most impolitic.
On September 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm, Lawrence said:
FIslam is trying to kill Palin-mania. We complained about “Obamessiah,” and he/she/it wants to use that to get us to stop being whooped up about Palin. Don’t fall for it.
On September 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:
That’s the point. Get out and be part of the team. The people who make changes in the party or in the movement are the ones involved.
Michelle, give it a rest why don’t you?
On September 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
And we will all ride your principles straight to hell. You will not vote for “amnesty,” and as a result, we will get defeat, gun loss, abortion on every street corner, loss of economic and social freedom, etc., etc., etc. But you will your principles.
As I said earlier (yes, I quote myself):
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On September 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm, zombywolf said:
Exactly.
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On September 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm, symrian said:
Blunt translation: “I want to pout and take my toys and go home.” You’re almost taking it personally.
People, don’t take things personally. View them from the perspective of the cause. Do what promotes (advances, defends, etc.) what you want, not simply from what you want.
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On September 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm, Bill Grant said:
I love MM so much. Her stands on immigration, the war, internment, culture, etc., etc., have made her probably my personal leading blogger. This site and HA are my political online focus.
That is why I find your statement painful in admitting you are dead on.
atheling at September 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
True. Unfortunately so, but true.
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Things are bad for the GOP and the Right right now. Think of McCain (-Palin) as a stopgap measure to hold some semblance of the line while regrouping for 2012/16. Think about more than one term or one season. Think not just about the battle, but about the war.
Please, Ms. Malkin. Think about what you are doing. Think about the consequences. Right now, the literal Communists are lining up behind the inadequate Hussein, while some of us are attacking our inadequate McCain. That is indeed self-defeating.
Ouch! I took Tommy Espinoza’s appearance as a slap in the face.