Biden slanders a dead man, family grieves
While the national media is busy creating scandal out of the fact that Sarah Palin went to numerous non-Ivy League schools (yes, seriously), the Delaware News Journal has a devastating and disturbing piece on how Joe Biden has repeatedly slandered the man involved in the car crash that killed Biden’s first wife and daughter.
In several public statements over the years, Biden has insinuated that the man who caused the 1972 crash was drunk. The man cannot defend himself. He passed away in 1999. His family grieves.
But hey, who cares about Biden’s lies? Time to slander Gov. Palin and her family some more!
Here’s the intro of the N-J piece, but make sure to read to the end. And check out the comments from people who know Joe Biden best:
Since his vice presidential nomination, Joe Biden’s 2007 statement that a “guy who allegedly … drank his lunch” and drove the truck that struck and killed his first wife and daughter has gained national media traction.
Alcohol didn’t play a role in the 1972 crash, investigators found. But as recently as last week, the syndicated TV show Inside Edition aired a clip from 2001 of Biden describing the accident to an audience at the University of Delaware and saying the truck driver “stopped to drink instead of drive.”
The senator’s statements don’t jibe with news and law enforcement reports from the time, which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing.
“To see it coming from [Biden's] mouth, I just burst into tears,” Dunn’s daughter, Glasgow resident Pamela Hamill, 44, said Wednesday. “My dad was always there for us. Now we feel like we should be there for him because he’s not here to defend himself.”
Biden spokesman David Wade said Wednesday that the senator “fully accepts the Dunn family’s word that these rumors were false.”
It’s unclear who first suggested alcohol was a factor in the crash, but since Barack Obama tapped Biden to be his running mate on Aug. 23, The New York Times, National Public Radio and The Economist have run stories that characterized Dunn as a drunken driver.
“The rumor about alcohol being involved by either party, especially the truck driver, is incorrect,” said Jerome O. Herlihy, a Delaware Superior Court judge who was chief deputy attorney general and worked with crash investigators in 1972.
“If it were some part of a cause of the accident, there would have been a charge, simply because if you’re driving under the influence and kill someone in the process — whether it’s the wife of a U.S. senator or anybody else — there’s going to be a charge,” he said.
Herlihy said investigators discussed several possible causes for the crash, including that Biden’s first wife, Neilia, turned her head and didn’t see the oncoming truck as she exited the intersection of Limestone and Valley roads on Dec. 18, 1972.
Hey, how about an entry on this in Fight The Smears?
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Sen. Biden needs to move forward. The past will not change no matter how much we wish it could.
Pamela, you do have constitutional rights and the Second Amendment is part of the Constitution. God bless you, your father and your family.
Since the statements don’t jibe,
perhaps the senator imbibes.
This is really disturbing behavior. Do you automatically become deranged by going to Washington? Does holding onto elected office/power mean THAT much to you? Get thee to a confessional, Joe, and make a public apology to that family.
Does the truth not matter at all to these people? Beyond shameful.
Wow, I’ve heard many reports on television news, after Biden’s pick for VP, that a “drunk driver” killed his wife.
Are the Delaware authorities saying that the other driver was never even charged with wrong doing??
I feel for him losing his family. Really, I do.
But, Biden couldn’t tell the truth if he had a mouth full of it.
What a dirtbag.
Having your wife killed by a drunk driver is more tragic & victimy than having her killed by a sober one.
Once again, honesty has no bearing on a liberals’ version of truth.
Shit happens, even to Joe Biden.
I see he learned to spread lies and smear people early on in life. Scum.
Joe Biden = Piece of $%it
Once again, truth has no bearing on a liberals’ version of honesty.
Feces occurs, even to Joe Biden.
What should we expect? Biden is a miserable individual, an individual with a grudge so strong that his judgment is heavily polluted.
Look at his recent gaffe where he promised to criminally prosecute Bush, a clear indicator of who he panders to. He doesn’t want to help change America, even if Obama was completely honest about his intentions, Biden is clearly a paradoxical influx.
I am sure Biden suffered much from this. I am also sure that we would exploit it to his own benefit to the point of lying-lying seems to come naturally to him. The hypocrite had a press release:
There goes Joe, distancing himself from the rumor he started. Hypocrisy.
McCain has real scars & biden has to imagine his (for sympathy no doubt). At the expense of a dead mans family no less. The libs lie about Sarah, and Bush, and whoever they think they need dirt on at the time and NOOOOO CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!! WHY??? If I started rumors (lies) in my town I would be in jail for slander before the day is over. Why are the libs immune? I’m done being surprised by how low they will go because I know now there isn’t any limit. Please pray for the man’s family that just had their healing scars ripped open again by a potential vp and his ASSociates.
I was always under the impression that it was a drunk driver,too…Is that not correct? Anybody have the absolute truth about it?? It would be a terrible insult to the truckers family if Biden is playing fast and loose with the facts…AGAIN…
Joe Doofus Biden: Plagiarism, exaggeration, flip flopping, and just plain lying.
Maybe the family can hire John Edwards to sue Biden’s sad, doofus a**!
“Pitiful, jes pitiful”
Well… a litle lawsuit from the truck driver’s family that is made nationally known ought to get joe to shut up…
Magicarb, that would go a long way to explaining Biden’s behavior.
Just my opinion, but I think we need to leave this alone.. There’s enough wrong with Biden that we don’t need to bring this personal situation into.. I think it could be dangerous.
If he embellished, sure it’s wrong, but I’d rather we go after him on his horrible record of trying to take people’s 2nd Amendment rights away, & his tax & spend mentality.
Correct link to another story on the Doofus’s lies
This is a typical Demo-crap-ulating. Biden is falling in line and marching in (goose-) step with his running mate:
Don’t confuse my issue with facts, truths are divisive and misleading, in my world things will work and be the way I want them to be (Hic).
Here’s a good point about Great America: In what other nation is it likely that after surviving an accident in which a senator’s wife and child were killed could a person be cleared of all wrongdoing?
Let’s not forget the man lost his daughter.. We got on the Democrats case for picking on Bristol.. I just don’t think we should get on their level with this..
Biden is the epitome of the loose lipped fool. We can’t trust this dolt with our security.
They only get away with it because we let them.
Hey McCain/Palin campaign, how about an ad showcasing Biden’s false charges, then a rebuttal from Mr. Dunn’s family, interspersed with the accident report and offical witnesses to the fact that Dunn was not drinking or drunk? Let’s run them in every middle-America market and bury the lying scumbag.
To politicize your wife and daughter’s deaths for personal gain…makes me sick.
We must work hard to defeat the party of professional liars and socialists in order to save our country from them. The party of Obama and Biden.
Biden stretch the truth? Wouldn’t be the first time.
If this has been going on for years, why hasn’t his family sued?
I understand where you’re coming from. However, if he’s using this as a campaign “tool”, then he’s the one making it an issue.
I don’t know anything about this, but I can guess that this family isn’t up for going against a Senator whose been in office for 35 years.
I think I’ll have to pass on bashing Joe Biden for hating the careless fool who killed his wife and child…since I’ve spent a short time now walking in Biden’s shoes.
He’s handled it better than I have.
Not to mention a son who is the attorney general of Delaware.
Dan Lee, we usually agree but not this time.
If a man is running for VP of the United States of America, and if his team is elected, he will be just one heart-beat away from the presidency. (sound familiar) Why should we not inform the voters’ of that man’s obvious abilities to lie about, and subsequently slander, a dead man who cannot defend himself? I don’t want that type of person representing me or my country.
If shining the light of truth on his lies costs us the election, then this country is not worth fighting for anyway.
Some things should not be open to compromise. Our country’s integrity is one of them. IMHO.
travlinman
Biden frequently lies and exaggerates. You can quote me on that.
In most people we’d just let it pass. You can’t call a guy like that on all his mistakes, you’d be as busy as, as Dolly Parton would say, a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest.
But this guy is running for VP. Somebody needs to make a list of his on-the-record quotes to show what kind of idiot he is. A shoot-from-the-lip, going off half-cocked kind of guy.
moonshot, you have my deepest condolences for your loss.
Please read the entire article, and the findings it noted, that suggested it could have as easily been Sen. Biden’s wife at fault for the accident. Does that mean Biden should not be angry at the possibility of Dunn causing the wreck? Hell no. I would be angry as hell, myself. What I would not do, is to go around and make up stories about the guy being drunk, to enhance my political standing. Disparaging the memories of your own wife and daughter in that manner is as indefensable, and as low-brow, as one could get.
Is there anything Biden will not embelish or fabricate?
Well stated. I have sympathy for his both him and his family, but it doesn’t give him the right to lie.
What Biden has done to this still grieving family is simply dastardly. His accusations just expose the fact that this man will stoop to the lowest common denominator to claim something that wasn’t his (plagiarism) or demean anybody who gets in the way.
Why the hell can’t Delaware wake up already! Throw this bum out. He doesn’t care about people from Delaware given his treatment of this family.
This man is exhibit A of what’s wrong with Washington.
You know, I honestly don’t think he can help it. I think he gets so caught up in telling a story that he just unconsciously throws in whatever will give it more pathos or zip or whatever. I mean look at that speech in PA a week or so ago, he has to know logically that he didn’t know someone two years before he was even born, but it made a better story.
Yeah I know, I’m supposed to hate Biden, but I just can’t do it. I won’t vote for him, but I think he means well.
Ted Kennedy and the people of Massachusetts come to mind too.
Kennedy and Biden are cut from exactly the same cloth of New England self-righteous, ugly elitism. Even the moths won’t touch that cloth.
They disgust me.
I’ve got to go with moonshot on this one. Such unimaginable grief can render the strongest and best of us blind to the truth.
And to Flyover State, everything you describe….that’s called, “lying”. And that it makes for better press is no excuse, particularly where, as here, he is slandering someone’s good name and bringing shame and grief upon the family.
I hope they sue the cr*p out of him.
I don’t hate Biden or Obama. I do hate what their policies could do to this country if elected. This is a pattern of behavior though. Look at what he told a group in Florida, but then denied he said it. I’d give a different link, but most of them don’t have the story, just stupid “truther” postings.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_090408/content/01125117.guest.html
Like I said vickisoup, I don’t think he’s even aware of doing it. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been stupid enough to repeat this mistake in his convention speech. But, it’s just a theory.
The driver of the tractor trailer was never charged because he was not at fault.
Pathological liar would probably fit the bill. The official name of the condition is called mythomania.
According to Wikipedia, the meaning is:
A pathological liar is someone who often embellishes his or her stories in a way that he or she believes will impress people. It may be that a pathological liar is different from a normal liar in that a pathological liar believes the lie he or she is telling to be true—at least in public—and is “playing” the role. It could also be that pathological liars know precisely what they are doing. “Pathological liar” is a synonym for symptoms. Even though pathological lying is not recognized as a clinical disorder, legal court cases often require that the plaintiff prove that the defendant is aware that he or she is lying.This proof is most important in cases of slander and/or liability. Pathological liars often actually convince themselves that they are telling the truth, which in turn can alter polygraph tests and other questioning.
When caught in a lie, pathological liars tend to become hostile or try to disregard the fact they lied; often playing it off as a joke.
So he should be allowed to continue to publicly, and nationally, slander a man who has died causing more grief to his family?
Why do so many people get confused when questions of character are pointed out?
Off topic:
Want to have some fun? Go over to Daily Kos and scroll down a bit to engage in some psy ops.
They have a poll asking what Dems think the chances are of winning the WH in Nov.
I picked “scared”. Have fun!
http://www.dailykos.com/
Ummmmm?
(this might not be the right thread but …)
Same circumstances? How long ago?
YTZGal — I just did the same thing. Thanks for the tip. Voted SCARED!!!
BlameAmericaLast, yes, that’s what I was trying to say – I think it’s a pathology of some kind, as opposed to a deliberate lie. I don’t think he’s aware of doing it at the time that he is doing it. Especially when it’s so easily fact-checked.
In other words I don’t think it’s viciousness, I think it’s a … mental problem, sort of.
Well I think I’ll just back slowly out of this thread now.
Well, we already all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, so, this could very well be a by-product of that illness.
Oh My, Babies, Lies and Scandal!
I noticed that Biden said “allegedly” at the start of his quote, so it would logically be true, since he is the person who is making the allegation. It’s sort of me saying, “allegedly, Joe Biden has sex with donkeys.” It has been alleged, so it must be truee.
I’m going to go with that this is all a result of taking too much Acid back in the 60’s.
(I’ll test my hypothesis….)
Are there any converted former Acid taking hippies voting for McCain on this blog?
There she is, mythomania….
Ummmmm…it was my fiancée and the love of my life…who was pregnant with my child. This happened 4 years ago during our last year in college. It was an accident caused by a careless old fool who I slander anytime I’ve had a few too many beers.
Note: My hypothesis is for ‘liberalism is a mental disorder’ not for ‘pathological lying’.
Fair enough – I won’t pry. And this blog is way too popular world-wide to be too personal.
My condolences.
Thank you, RabbidSquirrel.
How about a link to the article Michelle’s referring to?
Think they will use this as an excuse to remove him and put Hilldog on the ticket ? Liberals are looney anyway so i put nothing pass them.
What kind of crap is that? They accept their word? As if it is their word against his…no tests, no police reports, no nothing at all but their say so?
Holy CRAP!!!!
It seems to me that the only thing that these morons understand is a lawsuit, seeing as how they are lawyers. Therefore, I think the family should sue Biden for the slander he is committing and demand a very public apology in every place and in all forms where his lie was spread.
Not that it would suddenly teach him not to lie and slander people anymore, but in this instance, justice against the liar might be what is called for.
@Moonshot – my heart goes out to you 100%. In your case though the guy was unquestionably at fault. In Biden’s, I’ve yet to hear or see anything showing the guy was careless or did *anything* wrong. The fact they got in an accident doesn’t automatically mean one party did something wrong. And you can be very careful 99.9 % of the time and have one second of a distraction or what have you and if that’s the wrong time for you that’s it. What I’m saying is that there are many cases where neither party did anything wrong – they just ended up on the wrong side of random chance. That’s what it sounds like happened with Mrs. Biden. Any decent person would still have a ton of guilt though if they were in any way connected to the death of a woman and her child. Scoring cheap political points on such a person, IMHO, is what makes Biden as low as he is.
How sad and frustrating for Mr. Dunn’s family. Biden seems continues to display a pattern of just ever so slightly dishonest behavior and speech. He’s done it his entire time in the public arena and it indicates to me that, deep down, he is simply not the most ethical person in the world. Even though he did say “allegedly”, I don’t believe for a minute that he didn’t know every detail the authorities had about that accident. He knew alcohol was not involved.
We all know how miserable a liar that Biden is, didn’t anyone catch him lying through his teeth on Fox yesterday about his plans for what he’s going to spend his time in office?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/03/uselections2008.joebiden
This is the man that plagerized his way through law school, then stole the words of Neil Kinnock, John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Hubert Humphrey.
Moonbat, if you’re going to pass on anything, how about passing on libeling Dunn?
You go with moonbat; the rest of us will go with honesty and compassion for the Dunn family.
I don’t get the connection Dan Lee is trying to make
No one is picking on Biden’s previous wife or daughter.
Biden’s attempt to garner sympathy by smearing another family is despicable and just another reason to vote against the Obama/Biden smear machine.
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WR,
how can anyone ever meet your impossibly rigorous standards of evidence?
It’s called moral equivalence–the lazy man’s substitute for evidence and reason.
Sorry, you are both wrong, and I find it reprehensible that you’d give the man a pass.
If the man was still alive, you’d be in favour of killing his Good Name[sic]. Do you think that 2001 is the 1st instance of Bide
nt spitting out this lie? Indications are that when a politician’s “heart-wringing” story is cited, its usually not the 1st time he’s splorged it out. Especially when its done as casually as the citation in 2001 indicates it was done.This “giving a pass” to Bide
nt, for especially for the reason you’ve given is of the same family of error as those who excuse robbery because of environment.“Oh, its mean to hold hat burgler to the law. His daddy abandoned him & his Mom when he was a kid!”
“Oh! Ofcourse he’s admitted to it and returned the stolen goods.
We can’t sentence him to 30yrs, he’s Black and evil whitey’s out to get him. And he’s a drug user! He can’t help himself!”
“Oh, we can’t prosecute{sp?} those poor boys for kicking that passerby’s head in, because they’ve had a hard life…”
“We can’t find those 2 young boys ‘guilty’ of murder. They’re wracked with grief over the murder of their parents! Their Mommy’s just been murdered, for heaven’s sake! They’ve suffered enough!” (…this after the Menendez[I think thier name was...] brothers has walked in w/shot guns, emptied the magazines into both their parents while they were watching TV, calmly reload, and — according to tapes, while their Mother was pleading desparately for her life, re-emptied the magazines into her! BTW, the paraphase above is of a female juror after the stunning aquittal!)
“We can’t hold that poor Bide
nt accountable for his actions! He’s been driven crazy by grief! He’s lost his daughter! I’ve been their, and I’m not doing as well! … ”tha
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That attitude cheapens the accomplishment of every single person who does what is right and doesn’t assassinate the character & Good Name[sic] of a person who causes them grief. The police report and the forenzic evidence exhonerates the truckdriver!
Take a man’s life, take a man’s Good Name. At one time, the 2nd one was (quite rightly) considered worse! If you kill a Good Name, who will deal with him? So the man is dead now… how disgusting is someone who will beat a defenseless person up? It makes a difference!
I’ve lost people to car accidents. Don’t tell me we can forgive this crap-mouthed politician for going after an innocent non-politician — to use that man’s Good Name as an Election Enhancement Aid — because he’s had some rain in his life! How little he must think of his loss to lie about it AND use it to get votes!
I don’t see what is to be gained by saying that the guy who killed his (Biden’s) wife and daughter was drunk. A tragedy is a tragedy. I’m sure the guy who hit the Biden’s car and caused the death of the wife and daughter probably felt terrible about it the rest of his life. Why smear his name?
The link to the article in the Delaware News-Journal is
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040379
And the very last line does indeed reveal that Joe Biden is the scum of the earth; it’s a complete non-apology that in no way repudiates the slanders he has uttered. What a sack of crap he is.
On September 5th, 2008 at 7:08 am, guitarplayer said:
This way he can smear Todd Palin’s 22 year old DUI. That’s the way these people operate.
I gotcha. You may be right about that. They’ll need to use lib-logic to make that connection, but I can see them trying.
St. Louis Blue said:
I think what Dan Lee was saying was that if we play this card, it could come back to bite us. Why? Because the general public, right or wrong, is going to give Biden a pass, since he lost his wife and child.
If we play this card, it could come across to the general public as if we are picking on a man who is grieving for his family, ultimately making Joe Biden a sympathetic figure.
It is like the case with Michelle Obama. Obviously, she is an angry, bitter, ungrateful to her country person. But you have to be careful how you go after her, or else the general public will see you as going after Obama’s wife, allowing Obama to play the role of hero, defending his wife.
It isn’t just about the reality of the situation, the perception is also very important. Personally, I hope that family sues Biden – just not right away. Save it until just before the election. We don’t want to give Obama an excuse to dump Biden for a better VP pick.
I always knew Biden could put one foot in his mouth and the other in his backside but I didn’t know he was ambidexterous . . . he switched them.
The reason that ‘Joey Plugs’ continues to cling to this scurrilous lie is due to his own cowardice….i.e. a total lack of hair in the right place….it all got pulled out years ago and transplanted to disguise his growing pattern baldness
I agree and disagree. Any hand played poorly will cost you…so don’t play it poorly. That’s not the same as folding.
madchef is not only correct, but looking three moves ahead.
I was in a similar situation as Biden, except I was 9 yrs. old when tragedy hit my family. Even as a child (who witnessed this), I was totally aware that an accident was an accident, and felt pity for the person who caused the accident. My experience is, it takes a lot of effort to find anger and opportunity in a tragedy as this….and it doesn’t bring em back….
A man’s family is killed in a car crash. The grieving widower blames the other driver then apologizes. If this is the worst of Joe Biden, the man’s a saint.
Are you guys interested in the issues of this election?
Which party has a better record in the past 20 years of fiscal responsibility?
Reagan? Bush, Jr.? Puhleeeze! The very first thing the Republicans did when Bush Jr. took office was to repeal “paygo”.
Did Bush catch Bin Laden? Did he even chase him?
Who here thinks….that after the Post Convention Bounce and B. Hussein is down in the polls..that Biden will for some “Unforseen” reason will have to withdraw from being the VP, and Farakhan’s super secret buddy and ole pal will look for a woman…maybe the Kansas Govorner to try and stop the slide.
Let’s stay on topic here. We can discuss these issues on other threads.
Please don’t lump all of us together with Ted, JFK II (*Kerry), Barney Frank, etc., nor with our liberal state legislature and judges.
A few of us still hang on here, hoping to return this state to the values it was founded upon. It seems like a losing battle most of the time, and it is oh, so tempting to pack it in, pack up, and move elsewhere. But if we give up altogether, what hope is there for the future?
So, lgm’s position is that it’s okay to slander people for political gain so long as you can rationalize it somehow.
Sounds like the whole M.O. of the Sarah Palin attacks with which the Obamedia has squandered its credibility this past week.
Biden holds himself out as a great friend of Israel. There are some reports that in the early 1980s, Biden had Prime Minister Begin before his Committee and Biden started hectoring Begin the same way he did to Ed Meese and Clarence Thomas. According to the reports, Biden kept saying to Begin: “Look around this room and see if you have as many friends as you once did” Supposedly, this Biden slapdown of the Prime Minister was in 1981 or 1982 and was on network news at the time. I don’t have the resources to investigate this bu some enterprising journalist should do it. Biden’s treatment of Ed Meese was disgraceful and his treatment of Clarence Thomas was equally shameful. So it would be entirely possible that Biden was just as arrogant and rude with Begin. One of my friends who worked on the Hill at that time tells me that he remembers an encounter in which a Senator berated Begin and was smug about it. But he can not say for 100% that it was Biden. It would be worth checking into when PM Begin was before a Biden Committee and whether a transcript or video tape is available.
lgm,
I believe this is about Biden and the press CONTINUING to blame the driver.
BTW, who prepares the budget? CONGRESS or the president? And which party, when controlling CONGRESS generally has the record of fiscal responsibility? (Execpt when they try to “get along” with the Democrats) Which do-nothing Democratically controlled Congress has the lowest approval rating in history?
Didn’t we win WWII without catching HITLER?
Sorry guitarplayer — I know it is off topic. I just felt compelled to respond to lgm’s irrelevent and incorrect points.
Should anyone really be surprised? Didn’t Algore do exactly the same thing – crying about his sister succumbing to cancer from tabacco, while he continued to make money from the same industry?
This is what leftards do – like lgm’s comical assertions about Booosh.
Clue, moron – the Democraps controlled the purse-strings for all but 6 years out of the last 40. The President doesn’t spend the peoples money – the Congress does. Did Bush catch Bin Laden? No – they likely killed him – unless you prefer to believe phonied up videos produced by enemies of our country to make it appear he still lives. Even if he does, he’s been relegated to insignificance, living in a freaking cave. Tell me – Clinton was offered his head on a platter, TWICE. Did HE take him out?
Oh – that’s different, right, you moron?
Dan, it speaks to his character. He knows damn well there was no alcohol involved, yet he’s willing to exploit some sympathy out of his wife and child’s death, for whatever gain he perceives it may produce. That says the man’s character is worthless.
So I respectfully disagree about this being off limits. Being critical of his statements is not diminishing the loss of his wife and child. It’s shining a light on his despicable ability to use their deaths for some bizarre purpose.
St. Louis Blue said:
And going after Biden for this will play badly, no matter how you play it. People don’t vote on reality, but on their perception of reality. That is, most people aren’t very well informed, which means that this is the age of the sound byte. If you go after Biden on this matter “unprovoked”, you will come out the bad guy.
If Biden wants to turn this against Mr. Palin, then we can throw this in his face. It looks much better to attack from a defensive position than to look like you’re throwing the first punch.
What we should be doing in the meantime is going after Biden’s (lack of) integrity – his many other lies and crazy statements – in order to show a pattern. First, you need to create a narrative in the minds of people, just like what McCain did about Obama – that he is a shallow celebrity. Then, if Biden goes that route, it will be easier to nail his hide to the wall.
St Louis Blues is right; Biden might have been given a pass in the initial period of grief. Lashing out, wanting to lay the blame on someone, anyone, is a natural reaction.
But with the passage of time (30-plus years), the evidence – the facts – ought to take precedence. For him to repeat the lie (as recently as 2007) in the face of evidence to the contrary is dishonest, and there is no excuse for that.
Time and again we’ve seen this mindset from liberals. They don’t think; they feel.
Except of course when it comes to feeling compassion for a teenage girl who’s made some mistakes in her young life – raise your hand if any of you didn’t make mistakes when you were young.
Anyone?
Michelle,
I think your post here is out of bounds. You must remember that Biden lost his wife and child in the accident. He believes that the man who caused the accident was drunk he has every right to say so. At the time of the accident medical forensics were not what they are now.
While I normally find you a refreshing alternative to the political blogs who bring cheap and unnecessary attacks to the political debate… shame on you for this post.
And all of the posters here who have stooped so low as to call his beliefs and grief “political dramatics” and level personal attacks andinsults on him show the level of character and morals that you have:
NONE
I think that Biden is a terrible politician and has ensured that the Obama ticket fails in Nov. but as a father, a human being and most importantly a Catholic my morals would NEVER allow me to stoop so low. I am in total shock that those here who claim to be Christians and the “moral majority” have said such vial words and many here have lost the respect and admiration that their politic positions and past discourse afforded them
supersean said:
19 years after the accident he makes a sweeping accusation that the driver was drunk when it was clear to the authorities involved he wasn’t. Just what exactly does Mr. Biden base this accusation on? He has access to the all of the information the authorities had. No alchohol. Now it would appear that he is free to demean the loss of his own wife and daughter so he could make a baseless claim.
I can’t imagine anyone here does not sympathize for the pain of the loss of his wife and child. I can’t think of anthing worse. Or maybe I can… someone who suffered that loss.. goes on to exploit it for his own gain. Frankly, I find that disgusting.
Sorry. I didn’t mention it in my tirade because I thought it was obvious.
But that the Libs are going to make a “smear-connection” w/Palin isn’t the only reason to stomp it out like the cockroach tactic it is, that would an appropriate defensive tactic, but self-serving.
The better reason to stomp the cockroach is because Bide
nt obviously doesn’t really care about them. At least, he doesn’t care enough to refraim from cheapening their death by converting it into a Political Vote Enhancer.Unlike JM’s story, Bumden’s is phoney as a $21 bill.
That F*’n Slimbucket, (pls excuse my “bold”&bad word: his apology has me *incensed!!*), by wording his apology that way was basically saying: “I can see the family lieing to save face, but I’m such a ‘big-hearted s0b’ that I’ll wink&nod… but you & I, we know he really was drunk!” wink wink, nudge nudge!
I believe in the American People. Present them w/the facts, clearly and concisely, and they’ll choose rightly.
REMEMBER, LastMassCo
, the last guy out has to turn off the lights!
It is tough to defend yourself from the GRAVE… Just ask OL’ MARY JANE KAPERNICK, you remember her from, well you remember…
Whether that is relevant or not, the point is that he knows the facts now, yet still repeats the lie, and allows the lie to be repeated in the press.
This speaks to the character of a man who aspires to the second highest office in our country. That’s the point.
BTW, as a Christian, I know we’re called to forgive others, but that isn’t the same as making excuses for them. Jesus never did that; he forgave, then told them to “go and sin no more.”
He also says in Matthew 5
Joe Biden might find some healing and peace if he were to reconcile with Mr. Dunn’s family. And it would mean a lot to that family to have him personally absolve Mr. Dunn of guilt in the death of Biden’s wife and daughter. Don’t they deserve that?
Maybe I am reading too much or maybe not enough into what Moonbat said. I don’t think he was agreeing with libeling Dunn but rather that he was agreeing that Biden may have some underlying issues with the death of his loved ones. (Right or wrong, however that may be.) Im going to lean to the side of that he is transferring his own situation onto Bidens, rather than deriding Dunn himself.
Since I dont know and didnt ask the details of what happened, I have to take at face value that moonbat feels in his own personal situation that a wrong was commited, but at this point he is not making false inferences or accusations.
You would be amazed at the number of people that falsely accuse medical staff for the deaths of their loved ones, even when those same loved ones are already terminal. And that is because they do not have anywhere else to focus their anger.
Bringing up slanderous accusations for politcal gain is out of bounds, however in non-public venues it may show a non-acceptance of what happened.