If I find the title, I will give it, but some of you need to read what Johnson said before he signed the Civil Rights Act. I could not believe it, it was degrading and I believe shows the true nature of the Democrat Party. I would never repeat something as sick as that. It was akin to this bill will keep those people (he used the n word) voting Democrat for the next one hundred years.

Proud to be an Irish-American here.Pogue mahone if you don’t like it.

How nice for you! I’m also of Irish and French decent. I’m a proud American first and foremost. Proud to be Irish too, French, not so much. My point was that too many people identify with the hyphen country first, to the denigration of America. How about calling yourself an American first? Try it, you might like it.

Your moral high ground is actually a rut devoid of any critical understanding of things *not white*.

Not quite. I think as a person of color I have a very fundamental understanding of things *not white.* But thanks for your input! I’ll pass it along! To my garbage can.

Your argument assumes that all blacks (!) are dependent on welfare program and ignores the fact that even middle- and upper-class African Americans vote Dem.

That’s kind of the norm here. Most African-Americans I know are either middle class or upper middle class. They vote Democrat. My point was, there’s a reason. And I pretty much see it spelled out in black and white (literally and figuratively) here every day.

Well, if you want to know why African Americans don’t vote Republican, you don’t have to look any further than your own contemptible writing.

Exactly.

BemusedLib, thanks for fighting the good fight. I’m at the point where I feel like it’s almost useless to try to have a genuine exchange of ideas here. But I admire your tenacity.

Ulthwithian, it’s late and I just got home, and I’m tired, but I hope to see you here again. We can debate (politely and respectfully) another day.

On September 4th, 2008 at 11:08 pm, flenser said:

In terms of current events, we’re dealing with a Republican Party that was, for 16 years, overtly racist on the presidential level and has today nnominated a guy who not only opposed the MLK holiday as a Senator, but encouraged his fellow Arizonans not to make it a state holiday.

As opposed to a Democratic Party which has been overtly racist for its entire existence, and which has nominated a Jesse Jackson clone with close ties to the black version of the KKK.

Quaking in your boots are you, white boy? Paybacks are hell.;-)

But, fortunately, Obama’s not a hater. Just you.

Your argument assumes that all blacks (!) are dependent on welfare blah blah

There’s no particular mystery about why blacks vote D. Your party bought their votes with cold hard cash.

Conservatives and libertarians have a lot more in common with each other than either has with those scum-sucking liberals.

In terms of current events, we’re dealing with a Republican Party that was, for 16 years, overtly racist on the presidential level and has today nnominated a guy who not only opposed the MLK holiday as a Senator, but encouraged his fellow Arizonans not to make it a state holiday.

As opposed to a Democratic Party which has been overtly racist for its entire existence, and which has nominated a Jesse Jackson clone with close ties to the black version of the KKK.

On September 4th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, bear1909 said:
Colin Powell is African American. Condi Rice is African American. Al Sharpton is African American.

Bill Clinton is not African American. Follow along here:

Flinchy Obinghole goes against the best of Black or African-American ethnicity.

Flinchy’s survival was never dependent upon any ties to Black community; he was schooled in a madrasa, and prayed the prayers of the most supremacist religion on earth with deep ties to enslavement of Africans and their slaughter. He reminds me of the hang around the fort NDNs that killed their own people during the Nations slaughterous Indian wars. Flinchy backs Moslem leaders that kill Christians and Catholics.

Well, if you want to know why African Americans don’t vote Republican, you don’t have to look any further than your own contemptible writing. Have you read his books? You don’t have the vaguest clue what you’re talking about.

On September 4th, 2008 at 7:57 pm, bear1909 said:

I’m familiar. But what I wrote related more to the change in both parties (and perception of them) between the end of slavery and ‘64. I’m talking about NOW. And people’s opinions NOW. I guess we’re all “imbecilic dilletante[s]. [sic]”

well, gosh. LMAO Change? Same old scalawag approach just a different paint job.

And if u understood ANYTHING or actually read something besides your parlor pap, you would understand that the Nation’s history includes what happened in 1954 and last week.

Bear, you are imbecillic. 90% of Americans alive today were born after 954, your history lesson is just that — history. In terms of current events, we’re dealing with a Republican Party that was, for 16 years, overtly racist on the presidential level and has today nnominated a guy who not only opposed the MLK holiday as a Senator, but encouraged his fellow Arizonans not to make it a state holiday.

On September 4th, 2008 at 9:18 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

Colin Powell is African American. Condi Rice is African American. Al Sharpton is African American.

First of all, I’m sick and tired of the idiotic hyphenation of everybody. You’re either American or your not.

Proud to be an Irish-American here.Pogue mahone if you don’t like it.

On September 4th, 2008 at 9:24 pm, Ulthwithian said:

Your argument assumes that all blacks (!) are dependent on welfare program and ignores the fact that even middle- and upper-class African Americans vote Dem.

I consider the current Democratic party line towards African-Americans and other minorities to be nearly identical to the post-Civil War Radical Republican administration (40 acres and a mule, anyone). The RRs that took control of the party over Lincoln’s assassination wanted to punish the south for its war. (Note: I am not discussing the war, itself.) They rushed in and promised to take away from their recent owners and give to the freed slaves… and, of course, quid pro quo, gain their votes.

The Democratic party uses Welfare-style programs to do the same for minorities and others ‘disenfranchised’.

Really, the historical perspective actually favors the current state of affairs, in that the African-American community can point to the cynical manipulation of them by the Republicans in the postbellum period as a reason not to trust them.

If anything, I think the historical issues are in fact reversed. As for the current situation… neither party is willing to change the status quo of entitlements. As the Party who is socially interventionist in the marketplace, the Democratic party is the natural earner of any merit this gains. A party with a platform of fiscal restraint should be reducing or eliminating these programs, as this would drastically reduce the tax burden on everyone in America, and give a very healthy incentive for people to live the American Dream.

Unfortunately, one party has nothing to gain by doing this, and the other party has ‘everything to lose’.

Colin Powell is African American. Condi Rice is African American. Al Sharpton is African American.

First of all, I’m sick and tired of the idiotic hyphenation of everybody. You’re either American or your not. As my Uncle Teddy Roosevelt would say, you can’t be a partime Amercian. It’s all or nothing. I think think it’s about time to drop the hyphens. If you want a hyphen so bad, then go back to the old country and walk around calling yourself an American-African or American-Italian, or American-Lebonese. How stupid would that be? For crying out loud! Man up and become a citizen of the United states of America, or shut up, get on the boat, and go the f home! Other than that, I have no strong feelings.