The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 6, 2008 12:01 AM


Photoshop: David Lunde

Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it’s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you’ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn’t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn’t published until 1998.

The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of “Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States” that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLU notes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it’s spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.

The person who first spread the Palin smear is identified as “Andrew Aucoin,” a commenter on the blog of librarian Jessamyn West. West has done the right thing in keeping the bogus comment up and pointing out in her main post that “there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.”

It’s a fake. Not true. Total B.S. A lie.

If it gets sent to you by a moonbat friend or family member, set ‘em all straight. Fight the smears. They’ve only just begun.

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List:

This is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As many of you will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

***

From the Anchorage Daily News story that inflamed P.D.S.:

Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.

Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.

It all happened 12 years ago and the controversy long ago disappeared into musty files. Until this week. Under intense national scrutiny, the issue has returned to dog her. It has been mentioned in news stories in Time Magazine and The New York Times and is spreading like a virus through the blogosphere.

The stories are all suggestive, but facts are hard to come by. Did Palin actually ban books at the Wasilla Public Library?

Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association’s Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.

Pinell-Stephens also had no record of any phone conversations with Emmons about the issue back then. Emmons was president of the Alaska Library Association at the time.

***

Reader Martin: “If you read the Anchorage Daily News article, towards the bottom, you find that Palin requested the resignations not only of the librarian, but of several other township officials. Why? Because they were political appointees who openly supported her political opponent. Palin requested the resignations a few days BEFORE she assumed office, apparently for political reasons, as would be routine in ALL such situations, including in the very small town of Washington, DC. [Didn’t some no-name politician fire all of the US Attorneys?] Frankly, it’s far more remarkable (and shows a great deal of tolerance) for Palin to have KEPT Emmons in office. And you’d think people would consider the source when Emmons claims Palin wanted to ban books.”

STACLU: “What the hell will they just make up next?”

Answer: A bogus tale of an affair. Debunked at Hot Air.

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  1. #101
    On September 6th, 2008 at 8:39 am, Dimsdale said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am, mistressjustice said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:25 am, BuckNutty said:

    I see what you’re saying, but when McCain closes in the polls or takes a rare lead, many conservatives are quick to gloat on this blog. I’m certainly not saying you are one of those people.
    I am saying, a person who quotes polls can’t have it both ways.
    The people who gloat when McCain has done well in the polls, would have to honestly feel highly disappointed if McCain doesn’t take a small lead next week. He’s had his best two weeks of the campaign by far.
    Of course a lot could happen in 2 months, and the debates could change a lot of things. Lastly, I think Obama can escape the relevance of the Bradley effect. There’s never been a minority candidate with his mass appeal. I would hope that this country is beyond the Bradley effect, period. Any person who loves their country and wants a colorblind society would feel the same way.

    Well, as loathe as I am to consider polls as meaningful, the very fact that Obama’s numbers were insignificantly different from McCain’s after the Democrat convention and before/during the Republican convention, belies the whole “mass appeal” effect you are touting.

    Considering the stadium, the buildup, the fireworks etc., he should have had a huge bump, albeit temporary one.

    If anyone should be worried, it should be Obama and his supporters, and the intensity of the vitriol aimed at Palin indicates just how concerned they are with his choice for VP. You have to admit, the Democrats were completely blindsided, both by the choice, and the electricity she brought to what would otherwise have been a fairly mediocre convention.

    Whether you like Palin or not, you have to agree that it was a masterstroke by McCain, from the very moment she was announced as the pick. Again, the ferocity of the smears against her are a tacit admission of that.

  2. #102
    On September 6th, 2008 at 8:54 am, b-cat said:

    I don’t put much stock in polls. There is a technique called push-polling, where the questions are worded such a way as to more likely generate the response the pollster is looking for. As most of the polls that are usually cited are collected by left-wing orgs like ABC, CBS, NYT, etc. I think the figures are always skewed toward the Democrat. Remember, John Kerry was leading in the exit polls.

  3. #103
    On September 6th, 2008 at 8:55 am, tarpon said:

    Maybe liberals are scared of her? Especially far left liberals, like obama-Biden.

    Liberalism’s sytrofoam temples are falling all over themselves. And isn’t that really the fun part?

  4. #104
    On September 6th, 2008 at 8:57 am, zorro said:

    Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so

    Maybe Sarah had conservative books in mind. This could have been a probing question to determine whether the librarian would refuse to make available those sort of books?

  5. #105
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:22 am, rambler said:

    BO would never have gone on O’Reilly if Palin hadn’t stolen the spotlight. It is just KILLING them. The Chicago machine deals with women by putting them in their place. How do you put an Alaskan women in her place? I think it’s called a moose hunt!

  6. #106
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:28 am, sonofdy said:

    The lies aren’t even good lies any more. They seem to be just flailing arround for anything that will stick.

  7. #107
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:31 am, Bob69 said:

    I would be very curious as to why Ms Palin would even ask this question. I think she is a great pick for VP and I support her. Twelve years ago her children were younger. Perhaps she felt there were unsuitable books there?? who knows, still would like the question answered.

  8. #108
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:43 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    The liberals, including BO (I so don’t buy his pretentions of not attacking while sending his surrogates to do so), will not stop until they destroy Gov. Palin since she is the biggest threat to them. I was watching CNN (to see what the libs do) last night at about 10 p.m. on the anderson cooper show and they did a special on her that was a hatchet job, full of misleading info and one sided. They are DESPERATE!!!!! The GOP/RNC/conservatives need to be out there, as much if not more than the libs, attacking BO and countering every falsities. Though MM is excellent at countering falsities, the GOP and RNC are kind of wimps. I wish we had 1000 Gov Palins. Maybe women need to take over the good old boys club of the “my friend”, the “distinguished gentleman”, reaching across the isle only to get sc**ed boys club of the RNC and GOP. We need more pit bulls, with lipstick.

  9. #109
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:44 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    I am a very strong supporter of Palin and have tried to arm myself with the facts necessary to agressively debunk any liberal smears when I hear them. This, however is troubling to me. Why would she even ask this question? Michelle Malkin, can you try to find more context on this?

  10. #110
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:45 am, TxSkirt said:

    Bob69–dude, seriously? It didn’t happen. It is a complete fabrication from start to finish. It’s like proving a false negative.

  11. #111
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:46 am, TxSkirt said:

    Oh and she’s GOV. PALIN, not “Ms”

  12. #112
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:47 am, sonofdy said:

    Got to love this issue based discussion don’t you?

  13. #113
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:48 am, sonofdy said:

    Oh and she’s GOV. PALIN, not “Ms”

    Well technicaly at the time in question she was MAYOR PALIN but you are correct as of today.

  14. #114
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:51 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    Mayor is still not MS (I believe she was Mrs. at the time). It is Mayor, a title, just as she is Governor today.

  15. #115
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Rob said:

    Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
    The Living Bible by William C. Bower

    These two should not be in a SCHOOL library as they cover topics that parents should be controlling, but I am okay with them being in an adult section of a public library.

  16. #116
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:55 am, sonofdy said:

    Right, now that we have titles out of the way. Lets play guess the next smear!!!

    a. Palin is really McCains love child.
    b. Palin is secretly a jew and plans to destroy palestine. (I mean, look at her nose)
    c. Palin is a swinger and has regular sex partys in the governers mansion.
    d. Sarah Palin used to be Sam Palin.

    Spin the wheel of smares!!!

  17. #117
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:55 am, Anton said:

    I’m a big Palin supporter. The one thing that makes me nervous about her is the record of mass firings and allegations of micro-management. New managers (first-time mayors) can make a lot of mistakes; good ones learn from them. I’ll be interested in learning a lot more about her managerial style as Governor (and watching her performance as Vice President) before I get all excited about Palin ‘12.

    I guess there’s a little “Eeyorepundit” in me as well….

    Thanks for debunking the book-list thing.

  18. #118
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:57 am, sonofdy said:

    The one thing that makes me nervous about her is the record of mass firings and allegations of micro-management.

    Are you sure this is true?

  19. #119
    On September 6th, 2008 at 9:59 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    Have you seen some of the books allegedly tried to be banned by this OLD list that I have also seen for years now circulated around, they are classics. Come on, this is such BS and people suggesting that Gov PAlin be asked about this BS are falling into the trap of the libs who put out this rumor and giving it legs. ALso, some libs may claim to be conservatives and say, well, I support her, but I want the question answered. It is not like that has not happened before over and over again.

  20. #120
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:01 am, b-cat said:

    There is ablolutely nothing wrong with firing subordinates. I am particularly fond of seeing government leeches and bureaucrats hitting the street. So I don’t really care if that part IS true.

  21. #121
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:02 am, DaveC said:

    That list has as tweak here and there for it to be somewhat current but pretty much the same laundry list of books that conservatives have been wanting to ‘Ban’ for sometime now..

    Judy Blume.
    Steven King.
    Mark Twain.
    William Shakespeare.

    throw in Maya Angelou for good measure..
    I’m surprised that ‘The Invisible Man’ by Ralph Emerson wasn’t added.

    I wonder what was so horrific about ‘Slaughterhouse Five’ that made the list when ‘Slaughterhouse One - Four’ didn’t? (kidding, I know why.. books like that only get more graphic as they go) :)

    Next Smear..

    “The only book Sarah Palin would let her kids read, ‘The Call Of The Wild’ by Jack London”

  22. #122
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:03 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    I am so weary of people starting out with “I am a big PAlin supporter.” And then, going on to attack her. IS this the new lib trick? Won’t work. A true conservative would be DELIGHTED by mass firings in a place where it was deserved, and as I understand, before she cleaned house, Alaska was full of cronies, incompetent fools who needed to be removed. Same thing I hope Gov Palin and McCain will do in Washington. Clean house, fire, fire fire!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all incompetents, all fat cats, that is what we want, CHANGE, CHANGE , CHANGE, the real and productive kind, not the mafia chicago politics/communism that BO plans to bring.

  23. #123
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:06 am, b-cat said:

    You are so right, RealImmigrantChick. I would particularly be in favor of cleaning out the State Department.

  24. #124
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:08 am, DaveC said:

    I’ve never understood this meme..

    My parents are as conservative and evangelical as they come..

    I was home-schooled and I didn’t have any book kept back from me.. I read and re-read a lot of books..

    I can see a parent not letting a child read a book until he/she reaches a certain age.. that’s only good parenting.

  25. #125
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:13 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    State dept, CIA, attorneys. Anyone who deserves to be fired. No one every yelled and screamed when Clinton fired all US attorneys and put all libs in.

  26. #126
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:17 am, Jim M. said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am, mistressjustice said:
    Lastly, I think Obama can escape the relevance of the Bradley effect. There’s never been a minority candidate with his mass appeal. I would hope that this country is beyond the Bradley effect, period. Any person who loves their country and wants a colorblind society would feel the same way.

    That has to be one of the most racist statements I have seen here in a while. So, not voting for Obama makes you a person who does not want a colorblind society as well as a person that does not love their country?

    A person that truly loves their country would recoil in horror at the prospect at placing its fate in the hands of a man of zero substance, zero accomplishments and zero record of benefitting anyone other than himself.

    And the intellectual dishonesty in that position is downright stunning.

    This is not American Idol, this is a Presidential Election.

    You might want to find another venue for playing the race card, because it will not work here.

  27. #127
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:20 am, Sidana said:

    I am LDS.

    What does this have to do with this topic?

    Well as a religion, we get our fair share of vitriol.

    A common technique is the one “I have been a life long Mormon. I am a temple recommend Mormon( a term we do not use and is not something that we focus on as members of the church), blah, blah, blah…. . but I am leaving the church because of blah, blah, blah”

    If you question these people, to try and find out anything that would be real to be LDS, they frequently fail. They have never been LDS. Ever.

    I would guess that these people portraying themselves as a Sarah fan, are of the same type.

    They think that they will have some sort of authority and “lead us to salvation”.

    the only problem in this case is that “salvation” leads us to the false Messiah, Obama.

  28. #128
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:21 am, b-cat said:

    I applauded when Reagan fired the striking air traffic controllers.

  29. #129
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am, Sidana said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am, mistressjustice said:
    Lastly, I think Obama can escape the relevance of the Bradley effect. There’s never been a minority candidate with his mass appeal. I would hope that this country is beyond the Bradley effect, period. Any person who loves their country and wants a colorblind society would feel the same way.

    I will tell you what being truly colorblind is.

    It is the ability to stand up, as a citizen and say to you and Obama: I can’t vote for you. You are TOO far to the left for me.

    I will not vote for you, because I have questions about your murky past and relationships that I haven’t gotten fair answers.

    I will not vote for you, because you do not answer my political view to my satisfaction.

    I will not vote for you for the very same reasons I wouldn’t vote for you if you Lily white in color.

    If you need pandering to a race and want me to vote for someone black, then you get me Clarence Thomas, you get me Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams or Condelezza Rice. If you want me to vote for someone of color, you damn well get me someone of true substance, and of my political views.

    Because I guarantee the reason I am NOT voting for you or your candidate isn’t that his skin is a little more cafe au Lait than mine.

  30. #130
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:28 am, DaveC said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am, Sidana said

    +10

  31. #131
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    Jim B, you forgot that Mr. BO not only lacks substance, but has troubling associations, such as having being a member of a racist anti-semite church for 20 years, being closely linked (personally, professionally, and politically) to a terrorist of the ilk of Timothy McVeigh, being married to a woman who appears to dislike whites, as shown in her thesis, and who appears to not really like this country, a man who follows the teachings of a radical communist, Saul Alinsky (sp?) who wrote a book, the “Rules for Radicals” and tells people to BECOME community organizers as a means to achieve power and push radicalism and who dedicated his book to Satan (this is for real, I am not kidding). Oh, and BO can barely speak without a speech written for him. Again I ask, who is the real puppet master?

  32. #132
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:03 am, RealImmigrantChick said:
    I am so weary of people starting out with “I am a big PAlin supporter.” And then, going on to attack her. IS this the new lib trick?

    I assume that comment is aimed at least partially at me, so let me respond. A true conservative arms himself with FACTS, and to the extent the Anchorage Daily News can be trusted as a source of facts

    “…Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so”

    If I am having a debate with a liberal I cannot dispute that fact. Thus, I need EVIDENCE and CONTEXT. There appears to be no EVIDENCE that Sarah Palin tried to ban books. Good. The supposed list of banned books is clearly bogus which debunks their false EVIDENCE. Good.

    I am now armed with a fairly strong but not complete argument against the smear machine because they can still ask me to defend why Sarah Palin even asked this question in the first place. Thus, my request to Michelle Malkin to see if she can provide factual context.

    Please not use left-smear tactics to summarily dismiss me as a closet liberal just because I want sufficient information to intelligently and convincingly debunk liberals.

  33. #133
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am, madchef said:

    Well i’m glad that she didn’t ban Pelosi’s book “Know your Power”. No sense banning a book that NOBODY has bought!

  34. #134
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:30 am, b-cat said:

    Well done, Sidana. It’s not the color of the skin that we’re concerned with here, but the colors on the flag. We like it red, white and blue. We don’t want color-blind if that blindness just turns it all red.

  35. #135
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:34 am, Kevin K. said:

    BRAVO!!, Sidana (#125)

    (sound of applause as well)

    Well said.

  36. #136
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:35 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    Sidana, so right on!

  37. #137
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:37 am, secondsight said:

    I haven’t seen the list, so can anyone tell me if The Audacity of Hype has ever been banned?

  38. #138
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:38 am, sandyb said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:37 am, JHSII said:
    Wanting to ban Harry Potter 2 years before it’s even written…

    Apparently the first test of The Sarah Palin Time Machine has been successful. This puts her on par with The Dick Cheney Weather Control Device that directs hurricanes to only hit liberal cities and enclave.

    The Sarah Palin Time Machine sounds like another in the long list of Karl Rove’s diabolical devices.

  39. #139
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:38 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    #127, it actually was not aimed at you. It was a general comment. Not sure about your stance. But in general, I am weary of people who need to prove something with statements that are contrary to what they actually say or do.

  40. #140
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:42 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    PS, # 127, there were several comments that claimed support for Palin and then went on to attack her.

  41. #141
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:45 am, Cosmo said:

    Why isn’t “Dreams of My Father” on that list? It also hadn’t been written in 1996, so it fits the criteria.

  42. #142
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:46 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    Thanks RealImmigrantChick.

    You do have a point that some people try to veil thier intentions with an upfront statement of support followed by a huge BUT…

    I can assure you that I am not that type of poster.

  43. #143
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:47 am, Kevin K. said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:52 am, tgusa said: (#26) The alphabet media are the enemy they are all in the tank for a Marxist and showing no sign of hiding the fact. Do you watch the alphabet medias other programs such as Football, the Olympics and on and on? Well you are supporting them, directly, the Marxists always said that they would sell us the rope we would hang ourselves with, I cant think of a better way to do it.

    This is one reason why I prefer to watch over broadcast TV (the few times that I bother to turn the TV on) instead of via a system that can track what people are watching. Alas, though, Lenin appears to have been right on the rope issue. There are other low-cost-labor countries that don’t have hostility to the US in their recent history as China does.

    But to go to the book banning issue, there can be a legitimate reason for a mayor asking a librarian if the latter would ban books. One could be hoping for a “no, of course not”, for example. What matters is what happens with that answer.

    As to the list itself, which has been thoroughly shown to be false in then Mayor Palin’s case: its’ a very odd list as there are some pretty harmless books on there, and only a couple that should be restricted to adults only–which is not the same as censoring them. If I were a librarian with limited funds I wouldn’t buy some of these books–”Heather Has Two Mommies”, for example–based on the fact that there are better books for my money.

  44. #144
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:49 am, alwaysright43 said:

    The concern I have with all these smears is that some people are actually going to believe this crap even when the smears are debunked.

    The Obama campaign has clearly illustrated that he is no more a “change” agent than Biden. Win- at any cost, through any means necessary should be his new slogan.

  45. #145
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:50 am, rambler said:

    Sidana, #125
    My feeling exactly. Well said!

  46. #146
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:52 am, RealImmigrantChick said:

    To get back to the facts, liberals are trying to take a strength of Gov Palin’s, her firing incompetents or crooks and cleaning house, and trying to make it into a weakness. This is not relegated to the web, but I saw it on CNN last night during the Anderson Cooper second hour (which I only watch to see what the other side is saying and to watch them squirm). Oh funny thing, AC had someone from Huffington Post on, and she was literally squirming in her chair and grimacing when others were commenting on how effective of a pick Gov PAlin is. It was so funny.

  47. #147
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:53 am, faraway said:

    This debunking is now on FightThePalinSmears.com

  48. #148
    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:47 am, Kevin K. said:
    ” … there can be a legitimate reason for a mayor asking a librarian if the latter would ban books. One could be hoping for a “no, of course not”, for example. What matters is what happens with that answer.”

    I agree, but that is speculative. Thus my prior request to Michelle Malkin to see if she can provide factual context for us. That context would give us a much stronger argument against the liberals.

  49. #149
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:00 am, Kevin K. said:

    Last Massachusetts Conservative (#143). Your second half of #127 expressed that well. I was already writing my comment when you posted that, though, and hadn’t seen what you had written until I was merely the author of a short agreement.

  50. #150
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:01 am, Trollman said:

    Whoopi Golderg said:

    This girl is dangerous to me. This is a very dangerous woman, because I believe for her intents and purposes, she’s OK if everybody lives a certain way, that is to say, the way God ordained men and women to be. Well, already she’s breaking that because she’s the daddy. She’s going to run the country and the husband is going to take care of the kids.

    Oh how I would love to hear Whoopi explain why it is unbiblical for a husband to be a stay-at-home daddy!

  51. #151
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:05 am, jbh45 said:

    Whoopi said that? Wow what a shock! The lefties are crazed about Palin and the more stupid statements they make the more votes slide to McCain/Palin.

  52. #152
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am, Paul-Cincy said:

    Palin says, no whining. Speaking about Hillary:

    Palin says, “When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or, you know, maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn’t do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don’t think it’s, it bodes well for her — a statement like that.”

    The presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee says that Clinton should just “work harder” and “prove yourself to an even greater degree that you are capable.”

    Palin explains, “I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. I mean, you’ve got to plow through that. You have to know what you’re getting into which, I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo.”

    The Alaska Governor concludes, “It bothers me a little bit, hearing, hearing her bring that attention to herself on that level.”

    What is it about Obama that he whines, and about Palin, that she doesn’t, or at least proposes a stance of “no whining”? It’s the difference between how their identities are constructed. Palin’s has invested a lot of herself in others, in particular, her family and friends and Alaska. As for Obama, as we can pretty clearly see, it’s all about him. If you have thin skin, of course you’re going to complain about being attacked by others. That’s how you experience life. Palin doesn’t have time to dwell on being hurt. She has so many other things she cares about.

  53. #153
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:14 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    Well, I think I have accidentally stepped on enough toes for today. Have a good day Kevin K and RealImmigrantChick. Keep up the good posts.

  54. #154
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:23 am, pressto said:

    Anyone remember we have another VP Candidate out there and hear any “vetting” or “research” into him? I wonder if the MSM will give this story even 1/2 the coverage compared to some of the ones on Gov. Palin.

    http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809060343

  55. #155
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:29 am, sandyb said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:01 am, b-cat said:
    There is ablolutely nothing wrong with firing subordinates. I am particularly fond of seeing government leeches and bureaucrats hitting the street. So I don’t really care if that part IS true.

    Amen to that. I hope Palin can shake up Juan enough that he fires the entire State Department and all the rest of the Clinton holdovers. The lib shadow government W left keep their jobs hasn’t helped him.

    I did hear that they’re having some employees of sensitive intel areas take lie detector tests to see who’s likely or who has likely leaked classified info to the NYT and such. It’s a start, but too little, too late.

  56. #156
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:34 am, sandyb said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:03 am, RealImmigrantChick said:
    I am so weary of people starting out with “I am a big Palin supporter.” And then, going on to attack her.

    There was a twisted version of this on O’Reilly last night. Apparently Sally Quinn must have gotten some major heat for her appearance Thursday night trashing Gov. Palin. Last night, Quinn started umpteen sentences with something like, “I shouldn’t have said Gov. Palin couldn’t have a career and a family, but, who’s going to be taking care of all those kids?”

  57. #157
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:34 am, shooter said:

    12:21 am, b-cat said:
    Why, if she were a book banner, wouldn’t she ban Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky or anything by Noam Chomsky.

    They didn’t mention those because those books are their bibles and it never even dawned on them to include them.
    When libs try to distort or lie they forget the rest of world doesn’t think so darn radically left as they do.

  58. #158
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:35 am, William Amos said:

    This, however is troubling to me. Why would she even ask this question? Michelle Malkin, can you try to find more context on this?

    Some have suggested that Palin wanted to see if the Librarian was someone who would stand up to defend what books were in the library. There are some that to keep a job will say or do anything.

    It was a test of the librarian had any backbone to stand up to her bosses

  59. #159
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:35 am, sbw999 said:

    When does the backlash start? The MSM is a propaganda machine. It is surreal that the greatest Country on earth has a media akin to North Korea, Russia and China. There needs to be a Congressional investigation of this type of corruption. Shine a light on this. The proof is readily available.

  60. #160
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:37 am, b-cat said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:29 am, sandyb said:
    I did hear that they’re having some employees of sensitive intel areas take lie detector tests to see who’s likely or who has likely leaked classified info to the NYT and such. It’s a start, but too little, too late.

    Bush really did drop the ball there. Some of those people should be in prison. It is a felony to fail to safeguard classified info, much less to purposely leak it. An investigation should have been immediate and thorough. Of course, sometimes these things do take time, but I still think they just play pattie-cakes with these people too much.

  61. #161
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am, William Amos said:

    BTW I love the left who is pushing the fairness doctrine is now upset about free speech. Not like they are any great defenders of Free speech.

  62. #162
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:42 am, b-cat said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am, William Amos said:
    BTW I love the left who is pushing the fairness doctrine is now upset about free speech. Not like they are any great defenders of Free speech.

    It is merely bluster. They could not care less about freedoms. The only opinion is their opinion. When they complain they are just muddying the water for the large part of the population that pays no attention for more than 15 minutes.

  63. #163
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:44 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    The smear does seem to have some affect. If there are indeed still Conservatives trying to justify or explain the ban that never happened the smear did in fact work.

    Why did she ask what question? Did she? Is there is no phone record I think I would wait.

  64. #164
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:45 am, sandyb said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:23 am, pressto said:
    Anyone remember we have another VP Candidate out there and hear any “vetting” or “research” into him? I wonder if the MSM will give this story even 1/2 the coverage compared to some of the ones on Gov. Palin.

    http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809060343

    The posters on this site are phenomenal, and the RNC would be well-served to pay attention.

  65. #165
    On September 6th, 2008 at 11:51 am, almeehan said:

    I noticed one of the so called banned books:

    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle

    and somehow Madeline Albright came to mind along with Helen Thomas & Warren Christopher. Am I bad?

  66. #166
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, lgm said:

    Palin tried to fire a librarian over the issue of book banning. This is true despite someone overstating the case. Palin favors censorship, period.

    Liberals often get facts wrong, but they are far more accurate than current Palin supporters. McCain said Palin had cut taxes in Alaska. Bunk:

    She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and she’s won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a $1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain’s campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income or sales tax.

    That article might have noted that the extra money came from a windfall profits tax Palin imposed on oil companies.

  67. #167
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, William Amos said:

    For context

    If some wonder why there are objectionable books out there.

    Should a library carry hustler ? its a book.

    Or maybe Conservatives are ok with That saudi Muslim school in Virginia’s Books that promote violent jihad or hatrid of jews or the inferiority of women ?

    Dont assume that every single book in the world is acceptible.

  68. #168
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, b-cat said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, lgm said:
    Liberals often get facts wrong, but they are far more accurate than current Palin supporters. McCain said Palin had cut taxes in Alaska. Bunk:

    I went to your link to see about Alaska taxes and you give me an article by Gloria Steinhem in the LA Times about how the feminist thing to do is destroy the woman? You are a very confused individual.

  69. #169
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, William Amos said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, lgm said:
    Palin tried to fire a librarian over the issue of book banning. This is true despite someone overstating the case. Palin favors censorship, period.

    Hey LGM then Im sure you have no problems with libraries carrying books that have cartoons that make Obama look like a monkey ? Oh wait you only do that to Bush.

  70. #170
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    I was going to stop posting for the day but lgm drew me back in.

    lgm, Sarah Palin cut taxes when she was mayor. Get your facts straight.

    P.S. For accuracy in the future, do not depend on the Los Angeles Times for information.

  71. #171
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, greenfairie said:

    Next they’ll say she’s a covert Christian.

  72. #172
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, mockingbyrd said:

    keep it coming Michelle. I post often on a Mom’s board and I am starting a thread dubunking the various Palin smears. With lots of links to your site!

  73. #173
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:18 pm, Trollman said:

    Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    lgm, Sarah Palin cut taxes when she was mayor. Get your facts straight.

    Specifically, I believe she cut property taxes. Back to the bat cave for you, lgm.

  74. #174
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:18 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, lgm said:

    Palin tried to fire a librarian over the issue of book banning. Palin favors censorship, period.

    According to the librarian that was fired.

    Most members of the librarian’s association are hive-minds such as yourself. I need more evidence than just a she-said hive-mind said.

    The second half of your post, concerning taxes blah blah, comes from the LATimes, a publication of the collective. Yawn. I’ve never been excited by the tax cutting arguments - would rather see tax abolishing myself.

    Can you give me anything more exciting to beat you up with, hive-mind? The body you have infected is really quite boring and ineffective. How much is the Obama campaign paying it, anyway?

  75. #175
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Some of you (Jim M.) fail at reading comprehension. Making your decision with Bradly effect qualities means that society is no longer colorblind. Either a person is trying to impress a pollster by lying to seem “down”, or they are going to the privacy of the booth and find themselves unable to vote for someone who is a minority, only because of his color, despite otherwise willing to cast the vote. It could be a combination of both.

    I have stated unambiguously several times that there are plenty non-race related reasons to not vote for Obama. Nobody is a racist, simply for not wanting Obama in office. Casting a vote or not voting based on race is not behaving in a colorblind manner. That is bad for the country.

    You see what you want to see Jim M. and others, and your lack of honest is pathetic. Grow up.

  76. #176
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, William Amos said:

    Don’t assume that every single book in the world is acceptible.

    Yeah, I can’t go with you on that one. Freedom is freedom, especially when it comes to books / speech, and can’t be curtailed except under the most dire of circumstances, or when children are involved.

    Even the worst of the worst - Mein Kampf, the Koran, pornography, slasher movies, etc. (all in the same category) - I would prefer to be free to read.

    Freedom + know the enemy etc.

  77. #177
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, Sidana said:

    Grow up? You still seem to be making the color-blind instruction manual for people that are far more color blind than the color pandering left(look at the vitriol that Michelle Malkin receives on a constant basis for example). Just an observation.

    Perhaps Growing up isn’t the best thing to tell a debating opponent. It might just boomerang back at you.

  78. #178
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, mistressjustice said:

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    strong>Because I guarantee the reason I am NOT voting for you or your candidate isn’t that his skin is a little more cafe au Lait than mine.

    Duh. If Bradley effect qualities don’t apply to you, there’s no reason to explain yourself. I’m obviously only talking about people who create the Bradley effect. THEY CAN BE IN ANY PARTY AND PART OF ANY RACE. Re-read my initial post, and tell me how I have stated otherwise. I think and hope Obama is beyond race mattering in any manner for most voters.

  79. #179
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    # 161 W A - GREAT LINKS!!

    Tactic-take over an area-a little at a time-
    Dearborn , MI- Islamic prayers - over loud speakers -one of first cities to allow;
    Virginia-purchase of tract-section off-build “schools”;
    Sue because of “out rage”–CAIR and et al..
    Purchase properties owned by dying Christian congregations- build a mosque-W.H.,CA

    The Slippery Slide–The ‘camel’s’ nose - under the tent….

  80. #180
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, DBNinKY said:

    This is a strawman argument against Palin if ever one existed!

    No books were ever in any actual danger of being banned as Palin merely used the scenario as a test of the librarian’s flexibility in remaining compliant with community standards and subordinate to her superiors’ directives in maintaining those standards.

    This entire thing is a diversionary tactic to lessen Palin in the public’s eye while affording Obama more time to avoid answering questions on his notorious past acts and associations.

    The MSM needs to get over it and accept the fact that a conservative Republican is going to be our nation’s first female VP and, eventually, President!

  81. #181
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, Trollman said:

    Forget the Bradley effect, after this election, we will be talking about the Palin effect.

    The Palin effect: Otherwise liberal women who, pretending not to support her in public for fear of a backlash from their leftist peers, will go into the voting booth, whisper “You go girl”, and vote for McCain/Palin.

  82. #182
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, mistressjustice said:

    You see what you want to see Jim M. and others, and your lack of honest is pathetic. Grow up.

    How wonderful that hive-mind does not think me racist for hating Obama because he is a hive-mind collectivist. Thank you hive-mind, thank you.

    If the hive-mind can indulge me, can hive-mind disclose how much the body infected by it gets paid for posting in forums for the campaign? Or is it donating time outright to the hive-mind?

    Hive-mind loves to donate time, especially if the host body’s parents are paying for them to exist at college.

  83. #183
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, William Amos said:

    According to the librarian that was fired.

    Point of fact the librarian was never fired not when Palin tried to fire her was who “No” answer to this question given as a reason for firing her.

    BTW I so love the left. Where were they when the book “Jewel of Medina” was prevented from being published because some left wing professor said it was offensive to muslims ?

    And keep in mind this is the same MSM that CENSORED the mohammaed cartoons and refused to show them.

  84. #184
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm, b-cat said:

    I agree Miss Justice that “there are plenty non-race related reasons to not vote for Obama. Nobody is a racist, simply for not wanting Obama in office.”
    I don’t think you will find many who will argue that point with you here.
    As for the Bradley effect, that is more a psychological response to a poll than to a ballot, meaning one will tell a pollster he’s voting for a candidate because he doesn’t want the pollster to think he’s a bigot, though he actually has no intention of voting that way.

  85. #185
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, William Amos said:

    And keep in mind this is the same MSM that CENSORED the mohammaed cartoons and refused to show them.

    Great point.

  86. #186
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, William Amos said:

    Yeah, I can’t go with you on that one. Freedom is freedom, especially when it comes to books / speech, and can’t be curtailed except under the most dire of circumstances, or when children are involved.

    I have problem banning gbooks that might be politcal “Mein Kampf, Karl Marx< ect” because it is a political message. However is there any benefit to posting Hustler to a library ? Its only real function is to cause sexual simulation. Why should taxpayers be forced to feed someone else’s porn addiction ? They can go out and buy that mag themselves.

  87. #187
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, FilmLadd said:

    By the way mistressjustice, would I be a racist if I were to say:

    When posting on the internet, all collectivists (common term today: liberals) look the same to me?

  88. #188
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, William Amos said:

    Why should taxpayers be forced to feed someone else’s porn addiction ? They can go out and buy that mag themselves.

    Fantastic point. Come to think of it, I am against all public-funded libraries.

    Benjamin Franklin started the first library in the United States. He didn’t fund it by using the government to confiscate money from the public.

    It was funded like a club, with free-willed people paying dues.

  89. #189
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, Jim M. said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, mistressjustice said:
    Some of you (Jim M.) fail at reading comprehension.

    I used the very words in your post. How else would you read those?

    I have stated unambiguously several times that there are plenty non-race related reasons to not vote for Obama. Nobody is a racist, simply for not wanting Obama in office.

    That quoted comment was unambiguous as well. So which is it?

    You see what you want to see Jim M. and others, and your lack of honest is pathetic. Grow up.

    Ah, now there’s the condescending holier than thou smear that liberals love to pull out when they are rendered defenseless!

    The only lack of honesty demonstrated here is in your posts. You claim to be objective, yet you abandon any intellectual honesty whatsoever in your arguments. And it is more than a little confusing when one making those kinds of statements claims to have a law degree. It certainly does nothing for the people’s opinions on lawyers.

    Let’s face it, mistressjustice, you have been outed as a racist. And you can’t stand having slipped up revealing your true nature. Sadly, it is generally only a matter of time when the facade slips and one is hoist on their own petard.

    Whine all you want. It will not change the facts.

  90. #190
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, mistressjustice said:

    You have to admit, the Democrats were completely blindsided, both by the choice, and the electricity she brought to what would otherwise have been a fairly mediocre convention.

    Whether you like Palin or not, you have to agree that it was a masterstroke by McCain, from the very moment she was announced as the pick. Again, the ferocity of the smears against her are a tacit admission of that.

    I won’t argue against you. I said it the day of the announcement, and I’ll continue to say that it was a brilliant pick strategy wise. Nobody saw it coming. If the polls show a virtual tie next Tuesday, after the Palin announcement and RNC convention, there will be no change. That means what it means. The debates will likely show a lot of movement in the polls though.

  91. #191
    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Wildcatter1980 said:

    Thanks Michelle. I’ve forwarded this to family and friends so they know just how cruel and deranged some people are. Keep up the good work.

  92. #192
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Jim M. any honest person will see that there was nothing racist about the post. Either you don’t know what the “Bradley effect” means, or you are defensive for reasons that I don’t care about.

    Of course a lot could happen in 2 months, and the debates could change a lot of things. Lastly, I think Obama can escape the relevance of the Bradley effect. There’s never been a minority candidate with his mass appeal. I would hope that this country is beyond the Bradley effect, period. Any person who loves their country and wants a colorblind society would feel the same way.

    There is simply nothing racist about this statement, and I have further explained my views for those that are reading the posts from the likes of you. You are clearly too jaded, particularly since the Palin announcement, to engage in a civil, HONEST manner. Why don’t we ignore each other, or at least I’ll just ignore you and deal with rational folks.

  93. #193
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, JT said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:16 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Obama At Bon Jovi Event: ‘We Won’t Be Bullied’

    My list is growing of people no longer watch or listen to. So much for Bon Jovi being a regular NJ guy. Jovi is just another rich guy who forgot where he comes from.

    Bruce Springsteen
    Bon Jovi
    hollywood elite
    alphabet media

    List keeps growing.

  94. #194
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, bluesoc said:

    Did you guys get that email that Obama is a muslim? I hear his middle name is Hussain, so it might be true.

  95. #195
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, mistressjustice said:

    I said it the day of the announcement, and I’ll continue to say that it was a brilliant pick strategy wise. Nobody saw it coming.

    Some did. The collective mind did not.

    Which, I suppose, qualifies as “nobody.”

  96. #196
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, Jim M. said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Ah, here we go again. So if one reads your statement as having racial overtones (which I believe most honest people would see) then they’re “dishonest”.

    Perhaps you would care to enlighten us here - just why are you supporting Obama? There is no record of accomplishment, no demonstrated record supporting his ability to get anything done, no record of “reaching ariss the isle”, nothing to suggest he has the ability to turn his words into action. If one favored a truly colorblind socirty, Obama would have never even been a candidate. The very fact that he is where he is with zero substance suggests a candidate whose qualifications for president are an exptension of racial preferences and affirmative action.

    I suppose you also see nothing wrong with affirmative action either - a preference not based on one’s abilities or potential, but based solely on skin color? A preference in its application requires that those of other races be penalized for the color of their skin? Do two wrongs make a right in your mind? Does the end justify the means?

    Like I said before, your commentary here has been more than a little revealing.

  97. #197
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, pressto said:

    Someone posted this on a different website, but what all reports are failing to note is what was happening when the new Mayor Palin took office.

    Between January 1994 and January 1996, a string of some 18 bank robberies occurred across the Midwest. The robberies were committed by individuals brandishing automatic weapons, wearing disguises, and using hoax-bomb devices, apparently to delay pursuit and investigation. Following the arrests of two individuals linked to the series of robberies, investigators conducted searches of safehouses and other locations used by the defendants. Execution of the search warrants resulted in the discovery of numerous weapons, explosives, grenades, and components for manufacturing improvised explosive devices. Additionally, the investigators discovered a library of literature describing neo-guerrilla techniques, including the manufacture and use of explosives. Beginning in 1991, four members of the “Patriots Council,” a Minnesota tax protest group, began to develop a castor-bean derivative known as “ricin,” which is one of the most toxic known substances. The members involved learned the process of manufacturing ricin from a mail-order pamphlet. The group planned to suspend the substance in a toxic gel capable of transmission through a skin barrier, and then to place the impregnated gel on doorknobs, handles, and steering wheels. They were considering whether to target IRS agents, U.S. Marshals, or local sheriffs for ricin attacks when the FBI arrested them.9 In 1993, Thomas Lavy attempted to cross the Canadian border carrying 130 grams of ricin — an amount that, if administered in individual doses, would be sufficient to kill over 32,000 people — as well as four guns and $89,000 in cash. Canadian officials returned Lavy to the United States because of the amount of cash he was carrying. A search of Lavy’s cabin by law enforcement officers revealed that he possessed mail-order books, such as The Poisoner’s Handbook, Silent Death, and Get Even: The Complete Book of Dirty Tricks, which, among other things, describe how to make and use ricin. Lavy committed suicide before he could be tried.

    Do you think should could have wanted any bomb making book banned?

  98. #198
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, FilmLadd said:

    Hey, why doesn’t someone look up the Wasilla library’s phone number, call and ask if those books are available?

  99. #199
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, b-cat said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, FilmLadd said:
    Hey, why doesn’t someone look up the Wasilla library’s phone number, call and ask if those books are available?

    Great idea. I’m sure we also have friends in or near Wasilla. Why don’t one of our Alaskan buddies drive over and see if he can check some out?

  100. #200
    On September 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On September 6th, 2008 at 10:46 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    Thanks RealImmigrantChick.

    You do have a point that some people try to veil thier intentions with an upfront statement of support followed by a huge BUT…

    I can assure you that I am not that type of poster.

    Neither are you the last Mass. conservative! ;-)

    I was going to stop posting for the day but lgm drew me back in.

    lgm, Sarah Palin cut taxes when she was mayor. Get your facts straight.

    P.S. For accuracy in the future, do not depend on the Los Angeles Times for information.

    The latter two statements are incongruous. Getting facts straight from the LATimes or the NYTimes is virtually impossible. lgm only relies on, and cites, very liberal sites and articles as though a) we can’t see right through them, and b)they will convert us to liberalism.

    He has very big liberal blinders on, and thinks he can come in here and drop “logic” bombs. As the token leftie, he is a source of much derision and humor.

    I almost, almost, feel sorry for him and his myopic world view.

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