Report: RNC took down “Build The Fence” sign
A reality check to bring you back down to Earth. Young Republicans report on how the RNC told them to take down their “Build The Fence” sign. Way to inspire the next generation of grass-roots activists. Via Eyeblast.tv:
Eyeblast’s Danny Glover adds: “Apparently the organizers of the convention didn’t want that free speech being recognized on camera. They preferred the ‘Viva McCain’ signs instead. At the behest of the convention organizers, and without explanation, Xcel Center security ordered the young men to take down their signs.”
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Just cleaning the trash that other Americans dont want to clean. Can we outsource that job to Mexico?
Uhhh, they are ILLEGAL, that is the first crime. Head ‘em up, and move ‘em out!
Yes, big grin. Thank You for telling me.
Rob:
Your comments are worthless. You seem to lack any ability to foresee problems with mass deportations.
Fortunately, most Americans are not as blind as you are.
Thank you for taking the time to read my worthless opinions and responding to them… I guess you are right, let’s just throw in the towel and let all the Mexicans stay… NOT!
YouLibs seem to lack any ability to foresee problems withmass deportationsnot deporting illegals.Fixed that for you.
GOP=WHIG
The Republican Party under GWB seems intent on political suicide. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country while telling us we must be vigilantes if we object to illegal aliens ignoring our borders and laws. Mel Martinez was RNC Chairman to ensure an open borders candidate in ’08. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the consequences, to party or country.
GOP-RIP
Not all illegals are Mexicans btw. I don’t care what nationality they are; if they’re here illegally, they are committing a crime and should be removed. I’m an equal opportunity anti-amnesty person.
John McCain has not changed his mind about “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”, amnesty, at all.
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration
“John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.
He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views”
A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country.
Your vote for McCain will be used as proof that you want amnesty.
Many of us see another amnesty as the end of the Republic, the stampede it will set off will be overwhelming. If we don’t stop the inundation none of the rest matters. We’ll be a banana republic before the jihadis can get us. There will never be another GOP president or Congressional majority. Importing voters for the socialists is as stupid as it gets.
McCain keeps saying “Secure the border first”. We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov’s to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.
I will not vote for amnesty.
Switch the word Illegal alien with Al Qaeda. We can’t deport 20 millinion Illegal aliens will turn into We can deport 20 million Al Qaeda.
YES WE CAN!
Isn’t the border secured now? I heard they were using a “virtual” fence that would solve the problem…?
So are you saying that we should shoot and bomb illegals?
Okay, you are nuts.
Hmm. I’m in New York. It won’t make the slightest difference if I vote for Ronald McDonald, because this is a dem stronghold, and the result is a foregone conclusion (barring some major event). Maybe I can still have a conscience after these elections and know that I didn’t help Obama at the same time by doing so.
I feel better now.
THAT is an idea… maybe a BIIIG bug bomb!
It’s war. I didn’t wage it, it was waged against us. And Atheling, that’s silly trying to say that I called for bombing of the illegals. I said to deport them. You say we can’t. I say American CAN DO ANYTHING IT PUTS IT’S POWER BEHIND. You and I just have a different view on America. I think she can do it (deport illegals) and you say she can’t.
How about having a 2 mile-wide zone along the entire border, which can serve as a military firing range. In fact that’s a great idea if I do say so myself. No fence required. Wild animals could also live in some areas and there could be a whole ‘American Safari’ tourism industry created. Wow! What kind of nut would risk sneaking across 2 miles of open ground that’s full of wild lions and/or live artillery rounds being fired off, or jet bombing runs? How’s that for an option?
I would like to be excited about Sarah Palin but the fact remains, John McCain is the candidate and will yeild the power as President, not Palin.
Those Republicans (or conservatives) who are “coming around” for McCain are falling into the same trap we accuse Obamaniacs of falling into, believing empty rhetoric.
Evaluate John McCain by his actions not by his recent words. Obama is a socialist liberal, we know this because that is how he has acted. He has not acted as a “uniter” or some new, transcendental leader in the past.
Similarly, McCain has been an enemy to immigration enforcement, tax cuts, judicial appointments and other conservative issues but all of a sudden claims he has seen the light and heard the people. Those are words. Recent, empty words. He will be every ounce the friend to Ted Kennedy that he was 6 months ago and you all will have voted for him.
Until he denounces illegal immigration, “comprehensive immigration reform”, and amnesty I don’t believe his “Security first”. After all, if there is a first, there must be a second. What do you all think the “second” might be??
I was wondering where Palin stood on the Illegal Invaders. Interesting.
Just a wall and some military sharpshooters would stop the problem… game over man.
But Senor Bush gets mad when a border guard shoots a Mexican drug runner in the butt! What chance do we have?
Very Little, Rob.
Are these statistics available from a source other than CAIR?
Where I live, there are quite a few people from Poland. I have no evidence for this, but I have heard many stories about how they would come to visit, and never fly home. I wonder how many of the people near by me are illegal. Mexicans, who get the most attention of this, and others who are here illegally are of course breaking the law and should be returned to their country of origin when found to be in violation.
When people try to make them, and the illegals who are committing violent crimes and not deported – somehow McCain’s doing is completely disingenuous. The people in our government on all levels who don’t report them (some times on order from the city government at sanctuary cities) so they can be deported are the ones who enable them to be released and commit more crimes, as is seen in the news.
Again, this is not McCain’s doing.
Your attempt to smear Palin with the illegal immigration issue is as disgusting as the democrats who seek to smear Palin with her non-association with Pastor Haggee. They tried and failed with McCain, and they tried and failed with Pailn.
Your red
flagherring on this is of course, laughable. You continue to do this to McCain and now Palin.You really seem to be acting like a democrat troll who desperately wants Obama to win. And to do this, you need to foment hate against McCain and now Palin with your BS.
Wow – seems some have missed many childrens stories (most of which convey a much larger truth). The tortoise and the hare – you start in a direction and keep going. The little engine that could – just keep plodding along and eventually you get there.
Personally I ride my bicycle about three thousand miles each summer. I don’t just get on and ride 3000 miles – I get on and ride one pedal stroke at a time.
SOOOOO as applied to illegal immigration – Maybe we can’t deport all 20 million at once – but let’s get going, start deporting as many as we can as fast as we can. Three hundred a day gets over 100,000 out in the first year. The “trickle down” effect makes the “newcomers” think twice, and I’m sure many would actively seek to repatriate themselves rather than lose any chance of a future here.
Our policy only need be – you leave, we forget you were here and there is no penalty. You don’t leave, and are caught, you NEVER will be allowed here.
I agree we have very little chance if we leave it in the hands of the politicians.
But, and it is a huge cheeky one (!), if we organize locally to
identify local employers employing illegal workers, organize boycotts of goods and services distributed in our community with illegal labor, and push our city councils to declare our municipalities to be FEDERALLY COMPLIANT on all aspects of the law (not just affirmative action), the problems will be addressed at the local level.
in addition, we can pressure our local school boards to ensure that ALL students provide proof of citizenship before tax funded public education is given to a child of illegal alien parents;
we can target negative publicity on hospital boards and administrators who continue to give emergency room service to illegal aliens who use it as primary care;
we can target negative publicity on churches and non-profits who are building their constituencies in the illegal alien community (not the “immigrant community” they prefer to call it), and to have their non-profit status revoked as a violation of 501 c 3 laws which prohibit their politicization of their mission, bylaws, charter, and operating guidelines.
we must do it locally. it wont happen via remote.
Bear1909 out
Wise Man, I did not smear Palin one bit. I just put the information up for others to judge. READ my post again, I stated that I wondered where she stands on the issue. AS I DO WITH ALL THE POLITICIANS. Then left the comment “Interesting”.
I’m on board with all of those actions, Bear 1909
Well, I doubt you will find any study that shows the % of illegal to legal immigrants by ethnicity. That woudl be politically incorrect. In a cursory search, I couldn’t find much that even broke the illegal poplation down by ethnicity. But it is pretty obvious over 90% are hispanic.
I used simple common sense and my understanding of the issue to arrive at my conclusion. It is a safe bet that hispanics have the largest illegal to legal population. After all, we share a border with a hispanic country that is the gatweay for many ohter hispanic countries. Muslims on the other hand, can not simply walk across the border. My guess is of those mulims here illegally, the vast majority came here on a visa and just overstayed. Same for the irish and asians. The geography determines where our illegal population hails from. Europeans have many muslims due to their proximity to africa. Common sense. And I don’t beleive for a minute that if we stopped hispanic illegal immigration, all of a sudden muslim immigraiton would fill the void. Frankly, bush and the other rino’s are doing everyhting thye can to bring more muslims in legally to show thier “coooompasssion”. Hence, why the method to stop muslim immigration is to go after legal immigration. Don’t let them in legally, and they won’t stay illegally.
In the novel The Great Santini, Bull Meecham says that with a squad of marines: “I could make Harlem safe for white people in three days…”
Heck of an idea! Maybe we could actually use the Marines to defend Americans here in America???
I will bet that United States Marines could do the roundup and deportation liberals won’t do.
I thought the story read that the RNC asked them to take down the sign. Not McCain. We already know that we will have to fight back amnesty/comprehensive reform, or whatever. There is no sense in taking two steps backwards after we come so far now. Please re-consider your support for McCain/Palin.
You are correct.
30 pcs of silver said:
Sorry, didn’t mean to strike through my post. I meant that 30pcs.
…. what Amnesty Push?
Sorry, John A. had to leave for a few hours. I got incensed when I say that, I promptly wrote my senators and rep and told them, that is another example of blood on their hands…9,259 a yr roughly. We stopped McShame before we can do it again, we can never stop Odummy. I felt the same as you for along time, if you think about it we always vote for LOTE…rarely do we see a Reagan. RR’s son said the other day “he’s back but he’s a woman”. Little baggage carrying McCain along for short time…but the future looks bright.
What Amnesty Push? The one he’s keeping mum on that comes after he “secures” the border. It’s called Comprehensive Immigration Reform. AMNESTY for short.
It’s hardly a smear. And do you really think McCain would pick a candidate who opposed his immigration plan?
Oh, I SEE! The one he’s keeping mum on!
So he’ll get elected – and then, AND THEN he’ll betray us all.
- so the one ‘amnesty push’ he ‘keeps up’ by being ….. ‘mum’ about.
GOTCHA.
He’s a sneaky bastard, that McCain.
It is a smear. His whole “red flag” on Palin is a red herring.
The whole link is that someone that supports amnesty, supports Palin.
THEREFORE
Palin also supports amnesty.
She’s sneaky like that too. By not coming out and saying it, but by keeping mum about it, except for her judas, that online pundit who let the cat out of the bag is supporting her that he linked.
It’s an attempted smear by association.
This is what the left does against politicians on the right.
Wise one, McCain/Kennedy. Juan Hernendez and Mexico first. Yes, McCain is pro amnesty. Did Obama have people speaking from La Raza at his convention? McCain did.
Thanks, JA!
Wise child, DIggers Relm is hardly a left wing site. ROTFLMAO. Do you really work at being misinfomed?
No, Flinchy dint have La (c)Razy but he had the Moslem Brotherhood’s front group playing the lead role in his “Interfaith Forum”…. what a puke he is.
Bear1909 out
I didn’t claim it was a left wing site. I said it was a smear by association.
And thats what you did, by linking the story – and the claim found on that page. Of course that page is a rabid right wing site, if they are presenting Palin as ‘pro amnesty’ because someone who is for amnesty is endorsing her.
But then again, you knew that already, and you are just trying to muddy the waters with more red herrings. It’s not working. Intelligent people can see past your attempts to smear and throw out distractions to defeat McCain and now Palin.
I’m Pro Palen Un-Wise One. I’m looking for to see where she stands on the issue of amnesty. That’s all. What part of “interesting” don’t you get? I didn’t say she was pro amnesty. You’re the one implying that. I just said “interesting” as there is not enough for ME to go on yet.
On a Side note, this is a Kennedy I like.
What is so hilarious is that since Kerry got his jock knocked off for being a poser and a liar by the SwiftBoaters, the Dhimmis think they can do the same thing…. and they simply look like wimps.
Pelosi Galore is going to get slammed when the HORepresentatives reconvenes. She is gonna break because she wont yield on the drilling. And Hillary will sack Reid over it as well.
Then where will Flinchy be? ROFLMAO
Bear 1909, that’s going to be fun to watch Hillary go for the Power grab.
JA: and watch ol Bending Reid take one for the team.
ROFLMAO
You can’t even spell her name correctly.
You are a joke.
From your link.
Who do you think you are fooling here?
We’re all banking (literally) on McCain only serving one term. If true, then that 4 yr. term would give us the needed time to find out exactly where Palin stands on a number of issues and prove or disprove our faith in her abilities. Have no fear, Obama and Hillary will be hanging in the shadows waiting to run again. Soooo, a protest vote against McCain this time around is only going to ensure 8 yrs. of Democrat dominance, or longer.
If Obama wins, by the time his two terms in office expires (assuming he wins a second term) the Republican Party will be non-existant or so crippled it’ll have no influence. With the liberals in total power we can expect laws, and perhaps even The Constitution via amendments, to be changed to the point we have no freedoms or voice left. God help us if we have a further split off of special interest groups calling themselves parties. Obama and his Michelle have been very vocal in telling us exactly what they intend to do to this country. Was no one listening? I was.
If we can live to fight another day, we do have a chance of convincing our elected critters they must give on some issues and support the will of the people. If we cave in now, holding to our oh-so-dear-principals and allow Obama to be elected, we lose all the way around. And, we lose way more than the immigration issue.
I understand the intended point, but playing devil’s advocate for a moment, is this really a different response than used against the Code Pink protesters which is applauded? The only difference is that the Build The Fence people belonged at the convention.
It will be the first thing McCain does after he’s sworn in. After all, he will have just been elected, with everyone knowing he’s for amnesty. When you vote for a candidate, you are endorsing his policies.
Vote for amnesty and you WILL get it.
Really Unwise one, my post did not state about the “red flag” and that was not my opinion. You really can’t see that I guess. I posted a link and said “Interesting.” You have a different take on the link I provided. The Red flag comment came from the link. Do I think it’s a red flag? Not really, and that’s why I put “Interesting”.
Insert quarter and try again, you lose.
You linked it, I read it. If you had no opinion on the article, then why did you link it? Do you link other random articles from the internet and say “interesting?”
This linked article falls in line with what you are currently attempting to do to McCain, and now Palin. Yes, PALIN, not “Palen.” You are a joke. Good bye.
I tend to agree with Ansell here. Is Palin pro-Amnesty? We don’t know. _Even if she were_, I doubt we’d see much of it with McCain, who has a ways to go to demolish his own prior pro-Amnesty stance, _even if he would want to_.
Having said that, there is also a good point that a Pro-Amnesty supporter endorsing an unknown on the subject says nothing about that unknown. I certainly don’t think that McCain would be anti-America if a rabid terrorist endorsed him tomorrow.
Will McCain put forward a new Immigration Reform measure, a la Amnesty? It’s certainly possible. How probable is up for debate. Certainly he has supporters who wish it. However, if he spends his first few months in office fulfilling apparent quid pro quos from those supporters… he hasn’t fulfilled his campaign promises.
I still see this as an open question, but one that can hopefully be answered by Election Day. This should be brought up in the debates, as this is the biggest question that so far neither candidate has really directly addressed.
In case you want to know what this P.C. B.S. is costing us, take a look here.
Apparently nyc123me is not a troll, just a frustrated conservative. John Ansell I’m not 100% sure about, mostly because he’s had some good posts. I don’t know, maybe John McCain stole his girlfriend in high school.
One thing I do know is that Virginia Patriot just showed up and started bashing McCain. That pretty much screams troll.
Who cares if Palin is pro-amnesty? The next President if a one-termer isnt gonna touch it. It is up to us at a local level anyway if we are truly conservative.
Vote for amnesty and you WILL get it.
John Deaux,
Yes, I’m new to commenting here, but I’ve been commenting at Townhall for two years, since McCain/Kennedy first reared its ugly head in 2006. You can think what you will about me, but you should know by now that McCain cannot be trusted by conservatives.
30 pieces,
You Gotta Vote
Please do NOT stay home. You must vote. You do not have to vote for Obama or McAmnesty. There are always other parties and people on the ballot for President.
The important votes are for House and Senate seats. Conservatives MUST win seats in the House. The House is where things get done. It was the passage of H.R. 4437, an enforcement bill, in Dec.05 that sparked the illegal alien protest marches and moved this issue to the front burner. It was the Senate that tried to jam amnesty down our throats. The D’s that won seats in ’06 were conservatives running on enforcement platforms. One of them, Heath Shuler D-NC, introduced the SAVE Act. Call, e-mail, or write your Congressman and urge support of this legislation. Enforcement is what Americans want, not amnesty.
Amnesty is a losing proposition.
I don’t think Obama is stupid enough to step in front of this bus.
McCain is. He’s done it twice already.
Let me make it clear, Mr. Deaux: If McCain drops amnesty, I’ll write his campaign a check for the max and will support him fully. Until then, I’m hitting him on the issue. America will be in a huge mess if we have to pay for an amnesty. What frustrates me, McCain would win in a landslide if he just stopped the pandering to the open border crowd. Really he’s playing with fire and he doesn’t have many votes to give away. And his campaign can’t argue that McCain sticks by his conviction as we saw that we can get him to move when he moved on drilling. One more move and I’m support him.
No to Amnesty.
He also does it at Town Hall. He always bashes McCain at every chance he gets.
He IS a troll.
Maybe Virginia Patriot is for enforcing the rule of law. Why would that make the poster a troll? From what I read, it’s an issue the poster cares about deeply.
John,
All I’m saying is get our guy in and then focus on the issue. Third party/write in is a losing proposition. It has NEVER happened and never will. So don’t cause derision amongst conservatives and then deal with the issue.
Sorry, Google doesn’t lie. I already pointed out how the left wants nothing more than to see us arguing amongst ourselves and voting third party. For a troll to sign up and try to foment diviseness is not out of the question.
Virginia Patriot IS a troll.
a vote for the obamination will result in the same thing or worse….can we throw them back into the cesspool and start over??
If you don’t vote for McAmnesty you will get the Muslim, anti-American, tax raising loser Hussein Obama for president. We can work to get rid of the Mexicans later. We can do it ourselves if we have to.
I undertand your comments Mr. Deaux. In a perfect world, McCain’s campaign would come out and put this issue to death by saying he learned his mistake with McCain/Kennedy and he’s not going to push it anymore. THen we could all rally behind him to get him elected.
Like we can all get behind Steve Sauerberg for Senate. I’m in California so my Senate votes are useless but my money can go to Sauerberg. He’s running against DICK (all caps because he’s a big, well you get the picture) Durbin.
Oh, I forgot, McCain didn’t steal my highschool sweety but he did make it so that my man couldn’t go to the dance with McCain Feingold. Newt wasn’t able to run because of it.
John Ansell:
Why the hell didn’t you tell me you’re in CA? I wasted all this time arguing with you about wasting your vote and now I see it is a wasted vote no matter what.
John Deaux,
If you googled, you know that I’ve been opposing amnesty relentlessly since McCain/Kennedy tried their first jam down of amnesty in 2006. I continued through 2007 when they tried it again. During the primaries I advocated for a non-amnesty candidate, enforcement is a winning issue, because I knew the RNC wanted an amnesty candidate. The powers that be in the GOP wanted us to have no choice about it in this election. They wanted the issue off the table and they have succeeded. I have been quite consistent and clear as to my position. I will not vote for any amnesty supporter. Period.
If we all took one Mexican and threw them across the border, we could get rid of them in a year.
Yes you will. If Obama wins because simple-minded voters like you sit home, you have essentially voted for an even more liberal amnesty plan than McCain’s AND everything else that Obama will bring to this country.
So sure, we might become a third rate, open borders, full blown Marxist country under Obama, but at least you didn’t vote for McCain.
Seriously….there’s nothing honorable about being stupid.
Not Honorable
It is not honorable to conspire behind closed doors with Ted Kennedy and La Raza against the American people.
It is not honorable to try to rush an amnesty for foreign nationals illegally in our country AND their employers through Congress without committee hearings shortcutting the normal process.
It is not honorable to have contempt for the will of the people. “I’ll build the G-D fence if they want it.”
And it’s not honorable to do nothing while Obama, along with his followers and admirers in the press, schemes to be president. And people like you are contributing to make this happen.
That’s not honorable.
For a conservative. And it’s certainly noting that a real patriot would participate with as well.
With all due respect. If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of “the other guy is worse”, we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for “anybody but a Democrat” so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I was hoping GOP primary voters would give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. We never really got the chance. First choice Hunter, second choice Thompson, third choice Romney were all out before VA voted. I wanted to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.’08, I will not vote for any amnesty supporter. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.
Not true at all. I don’t want amnesty, but consider the other options:
Not voting for either Obama or McCain or anyone else means throwing your hands up and letting whichever maor-party pro-amnesty candidate be elected.
Voting for Obama to “show McCain” means you’ll be voting for a man who is just as pro-amnesty and also, in all likelihood, disagrees with you on 90% of all other issues.
Voting for an anti-amnesty third party such as Bob Barr means you’ll keep your street cred, but your candidate won’t be elected, and you’re left with either of the two pro-amnesty candidates anyway. Want a viable 3rd party candidate? Don’t wait until 2 months before the election to lay the groundwork. 2012 may be too soon, even, but please, if some other party is more deserving, then begin your work for them laying a foundation for the future without sacrificing the present.
I’m NOT going to give anyone a hard time who has problems with McCain’s immigration stance, as I can completely understand this. At the same time, please don’t act sanctimonious and accuse anyone voting for McCain of not being a “real” conservative. If he tries to pull amnesty crap, he must recognize we’ll give him hell just like we did on McCain-Kennedy, and it won’t be tolerated. However, I’m not a single-issue guy, and Juan Hernandez notwithstanding, there are other reasons to vote for McCain over Obama and any other 3rd party candidate, and over not voting at all.
At this point, I don’t think Virginia Patriot or John Ansell are interested in stopping Amnesty at all.
The only way of doing it is to elect McCain and hold his feet to the fire. I have asked both of you repeatedly to disprove what I have said here and…nothing until the next Daddy Yankee thread.
This isn’t about stopping amnesty, which I am all on board with. This is about not electing McCain, which means that you will be helping to elect Obama. Which means Amnesty. So either you are actually FOR amnesty or you are FOR Obama or you have an extra “go to” line in your programming that brings you right back to the start of your your “I hate amnesty so I am going to help bring about amnesty” pitch regardless of whatever reason and logic is thrown at you.
And folks wonder why I get frustrated.
If the GOP party gets “crushed” it will probably be reincarnated as something MORE liberal. The democrats are becoming pure socialists at this point and if they keep winning the party will want to move left in order to compete.
Regardless, you don’t gain influence by losing elections.
Wellsy – Some of us have heard your arguments ad nauseum for months now. All of them… we simply don’t agree.
We have analyzed the situation and see it quite differently.
For me, Palin could help me change my decision. I haven’t heard enough to know yet. I will continue to listen, to see if she can influence McCain… or to see if he ends up influencing her instead.
What I have yet to see from any McCainiac, is even a willingness to listen to our reasoning. Instead it comes out more like the Dems fight. ‘You’re just dumb!’ lol
Until I can debate with someone who will at least listen, and attempt to understand the arguments that would cause a conservative to not vote for McCain, there’s nothing to keep bickering about.
The new ad hominem, is throwing out the ‘troll’ epithet as if that counters the argument one of us has made. In my opinion, McCainiacs are sounding more and more like Ds all the time, in the way they debate and how much they’re willing to ignore just because he’s an R.
That’s pretty scary if you ask me. Anyway, I’m getting pretty good at passing over the posts I can see are restating the same old arguments that have been typed and retyped for months now.
It’s not that we don’t get what you’re saying… we get it quite well. Retyping it a thousand times won’t help at all because we ‘got it’ several months ago, we simply see a different logical path. Maybe try to understand it so we can have true debates which are the only kind that truly have a chance at changing minds.
It’s that none of you are trying to hear or understand what we’re saying.
.. and GOP has to thank Bush for selling out the country for petro-dollars and pesos, not to mention billions of us tax-dollars, blood and lives in the fake Iraq war.
There comes a time when each responsible citizen has to make a moral call for the country.
Americans should stop ANYONE who sells-out America.. be it Bushs/Clintons/Juan McCain or ‘Driver’s licenses for illegals’ Obama. GOP had a perfect candidate in Tom Tancredo. Tancredo was RIGHT for America. But GOP itself did not stand behind it’s own beliefs, thus proving their betryal. No matter who wins the presidential elections, America will loose. Americans have to stop playing this loosing game sometime. Now is a good time as any.
You are all arguing the wrong issue. The line between Illegal and legal is really a technical one – it can be dissolved with one stroke of the pen. Amnesty was one just part of it for the Mexicans. And it has already started for the rest of the world–
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/september-7-2008/us-house-leaders-plan-vote-big-foreign-w.html
I’ve detailed the evidence. We’ve had the same argument over and over and the only argument against McCain is McAmnesty, lesser of two evils, repeat. Anybody that’s opposed to amnesty and doesn’t vote McCain is effectively guaranteeing that it will happen. Anybody that thinks an Obama presidency will somehow bring about the second coming of Reagan is also mistaken, because if you remember correctly, Reagan gave us the biggest amnesty in history.
So yes, when the only posts that someone has made is to bash McCain, I’ll call them a troll because that’s what they are.
This why I don’t trust the lesser of the two evils. Palin should be running for president and McAmnesty should be back in the senate making deals with the democrats.
This is the 500 pound ELEPHANT in the room folks… Especially the RNC people should take note… It AIN’T going away, no matter how many signs you take down, nor how many VIVA MC CAIN signs you get put up… 70% of the AMERICAN PEOPLE want our BORDERS CLOSED and PROTECTED, and no AMNESTY for ILLEGALS here already… Pay attention RNC, this may be the 11th hour for your STUPIDITY… No amount of SARAH PALINS will save your ASS, if you PISS this opportunity away… This could be only a commutation of sentence, not a FULL PARDON…
If it weren’t for the actions of McCain, Sarah Palin would be happy to stay as governor of Alaska, doing her job. The job she wanted, ran for, and was elected to.
Palin didn’t run for president, because she didn’t want to. It took McCain … you know, the guy who got the most votes and became the GOP nominee because of all the people who voted for him in the republican primary … to give us Palin. After McCain, Palin can decide to go back to Alaska and live her happy life, or continue with politics on the national level. If she is as wonderful as she seems so far, and if she is as conservative as she seems so far and does continue …
Then you owe John McCain a debt of gratitude for what he did. And if you want Sarah Palin to go further in politics, then you need to vote for McCain and Sarah Palin so they can defeat Obama and Biden.
Don’t be such an idiot that you can’t see any of this. It’s as clear as the nose on your face.
You nose cutting ‘real conservatives’ who want to spite your face because of McCain are worse than the democrats who want Obama to win. At least the democrats voting for obama are doing what they think is right. You people should be able to know better. Youre conservatives. Act that way. Act like a grown up and stop the McCain derangement syndrome that you are doing to yourself and attempting to infect others.
The GOP can run 3 palins, 2 Goldwaters, and a pair of Ronald Reagan’s riding boots, and as long as
Juan HernandezJohn McCain and Comprehensive amnesty are on top of the ticket, I refuse to LOTE!John Hernandez is a campaign volunteer, a nobody. He is a strawman that has been waived under the snouts of the easily lead in order to produce a Pavlovian response; closing their ears and repeating the same thing over and over.
When I heard McCain’s Hispanic Outreach Director was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.
In case you don’t know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for “rights” for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S. His agenda is “Mexico First”.
Country First? Which country?
On September 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, Bill Grant said:
On September 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
In other words Ivan Pavlov was correct… and yes, this isn’t about defeating Amnesty, it is about indulging in a reflexive reaction.
Bill,
Vote for a guy you know will stab you in the back. I won’t. If the GOP can’t produce a candidate willing to uphold the laws, I don’t owe them my vote.
You are helping to elect someone who will stab you in the front and bone you in the rear.
He promised enforcement first. (As you know because we have gone over this to the point where it is downright pathetic)
Nope. You have made that clear. Just don’t kid yourself that you are helping conservatism or the fight against illegal immigration by helping to elect Obama.