Report: RNC took down “Build The Fence” sign
A reality check to bring you back down to Earth. Young Republicans report on how the RNC told them to take down their “Build The Fence” sign. Way to inspire the next generation of grass-roots activists. Via Eyeblast.tv:
Eyeblast’s Danny Glover adds: “Apparently the organizers of the convention didn’t want that free speech being recognized on camera. They preferred the ‘Viva McCain’ signs instead. At the behest of the convention organizers, and without explanation, Xcel Center security ordered the young men to take down their signs.”
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Sorry, JD, but I hate to think what an Obama administration and a liberal congress would do to this country in 4 years. I’ll take my chances with McCain.
Exactly, if he treats the base like this before he’s elected, just imagine when they vote him in. He’s make Gov. Arnold look like a true conservative Republican.
That’s a lie. He listened and gave us a solid conservative VP. The GOP listened and put energy independence on their platform.
Weary Citizen, I always suspected that you are a troll. But now I see that you are a lying one.
True Conservatives are voting for Palin, not McCain. I haven’t heard peep about immigration for months from these canidates. Not since the primaries were over. McCain wants all those votes from all those watcing the Republican Convention on Telemundo. Oh, yeah….it wasn’t on Telemundo. Republicans that have a fantasy of a large Latin Immigrant voting block need to be booted out of office. As I mentioned yesterday; with 11 aliases can’t they already vote 11 times. C’mon, Acorn is busing them to the polls in exchange for a sandwich or Dos Equis. Let’s bail out the “renters” who bought homes with your $$$ but not put a fence up. And how much would it cost to just line the boarder with armed guards….no fence needed.
Did you hear the part in McCain’s speech last thurdsay where he said he wants to grant amnesty to all mexicans in the US, and wants more to cross the border, so they can murder more kids in icecream shops?
No?
Neither did I. According to you, ‘he hasn’t listened’ and yet you don’t have anything to back that up.
And your claim that he won’t listen if elected is also your opinion. And it does not have any merit either.
@ John Deaux:
If you want to vote for one of Ted Kennedy’s good buds because he claims to be a conservative, go ahead.
I’m waiting for an actual conservative. This election I have a choice between a socialist and a democrat. I don’t want to be on record voting for either.
But at least the Dems would be marginalized — and Hillary pretty much eliminated — by four years of the socialist Obamessiah (who, again, wouldn’t accomplish much).
But even if he did appoint a new lefty to the Supreme Court to replace a retiring lefty…. well, that’s much better than having the U.S. converted to Mexico and, by consequence, the biggest welfare state imaginable under McCain. The Supreme Court wouldn’t even matter anymore; this country would be over.
The GOP needs a wake up call; it needs tossed aside like a sack of rotting tomatoes.
I am so done with you and all of your lies. You do this site a great disservice. As do the rest of the people here who act just like you.
Folks, I’d ignore J.D. in D.C. He’s either a Obamaton troll attempting to wreak havoc, or simply an impolitic idiot who hasn’t a clue on how the game is played.
A president can do all sorts of things in their first year that endears them to their base and is forgotten by opponents. Remember how pissed the liberals (and some conservatives) were that Clinton signed Nafta? They sure forgot about that in 1996. This is an issue that nobody is going to touch because if you endorse amnesty, you alienate citizens, if you condemn it, you risk offending a major voting bloc. Face it, nothing will change on this issue for either candidate, so don’t let the trolls convince you to waste your vote for their alleged “principles”.
All he has to do is sign the bills presented to him by Nancy and Harry, damage done.
Do you really think that the damage caused by a super majority of communists will be so minimal that we could recover?
Uncontrolled Illegal immegration, socialized medicine, massive tax funded alternative fuels programs, reduction in oil & gas development, surrender in Iran and Afghanistan etc. etc.
Too much damage to ever recover IMHO.
Any vote other than McCain/Palin is a vote for a communist/socialist take over of the U.S.
I have to say, I don’t want obummer to win. That means, realistically, that mcamnesty has to win to avert that. He jsut has to win without my vote. I am glad others here are willing to hold their nose and vote LOTE. I just can’t do it. But what gets me are those who can’t understand why folks liek myself just can’t vote for the guy. In fact, they try to belittle us, and in the process many show that thye are nothing but republican party hacks who would justify voting for HRC if she was the RNC candidate. I am tired of hte whole thing. I don’t want to convince others not to vote for mcamensty, I am just venting my complete frustration, and lack of respect for his stance on issues. I truly despise him for his amnesty support. And I will vote only for someone who opposes amnesty. In the perfect scenario, mcamensty would win barely (wihtthe support of hold their nose conservatives), and a conservative 3rd party would pick up significant enough votes to warrant the GOP’s attention (because of people like us who said enough).
On September 8th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Weary Citizen said:
He has listened. He has listened on drilling, he has listened on immigration, he has listened on a pro choice VP he has listened to the seething and whining of of people who don’t deserve to be listened to anymore. People like you who are shilling for “Chuck Baldwin” a 9/11 truther moonbat 3rd party nobody who isn’t going to be elected dog catcher.
If the purpose of this is just to rant against McCain to prop up Obama, fine. If the purpose is to fight Amnesty the only way of doing that is to elect Mccain, who has promised enforcement first and hold him accountable.
I have outlined plans for stopping an Amnesty under McCain.
There is no way of stopping amnesty under an Obama presidency.
Prove me wrong. I dare you.
Why don’t you head back over to Kos or DU. Grown ups are talking here.
McCain/Kennedy.
Bill, just shut the hell up and stop patronizing anyone who doesn’t agree with you and McCain’s amnesty stance. If they were voting for Obama, they’d put a tick next to his name; they clearly have no intention of doing so. Most likely these people (and I’m one of them) will end up holding their nose and voting McCain when it comes to the day, but your constant badgering that if they don’t vote McCain then they are voting for Obama will be the one thing that angers them enough to make them vote 3rd party instead at that crucial moment. So please, do yourself, McCain, and the country a favor and shut the hell up about it – people are angry about immigration and they are venting here, your little jabs do not help.
Meet La Raza and McCain.
Venting about immigration that has nothing to do with anything related to McCain and almost exclusively related to sanctuary city policy that was enacted by democrat mayors – is doing nothing more than lying about McCain for the purposes of getting Obama elected.
On September 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, nyc123me said:
Make me.
Who the hell do you think you are? If you have a problem with something I have said persuade me that I am incorrect with logic or reason. If not YOU shut the hell up.
If McCain won’t go conservative on core issues now when he needs your vote, there is no way he will do the right thing in office. No thanks, RINOs.
Weary Citizen,
She’s more conservative than McCain. But you’re right, some here would vote for her if she had an “R” behind her name. Like I posted before, voting for the LOTE, is still voting for evil.
He gave you a conservative VP? No, moron, he wisely chose a VP that would appeal across demographics. It was nothing on policy he chose her (same as every other candidate has done). Geez, you really are a fool. Is this your first election there skippy?
What about “I got the message” crap? He is still pushing amensty. Is that all you have to hang that tiny little hat (to match your tiny littel brain) on?
Now, answer what you will do when he pokes conservative in the eye again? Because there will be a next time.
Troll? That is too stupid to even comment on. Truly pathetic.
Neither side is pokin that beehive. So! It is a puffball issue for some bi-partisan shamnesty plan under the new admin, that will be proclaimed a victory for the American people (mexicans only in reality).
So get ready to either bend over or hold your nose…either way we have to kick Congress’ ass constantly on this immigration crap. I can always let go of my nose.
And yet-SECURITY- at RNC Convention- continuously let the Code Pinkos IN …even as far as the stage where Palin and Mc were speaking!!!!
Young Republicans—OUT
Code Pinkos —–IN
I don’t get it…
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-code-pink-id-theft-st-louis.html#comments
Venting about illegal immigration is one thing. Constantly badgering about “McAmnesty” is nothing more than a troll trick.
Nose holders are angry about the issue, Obamabots are bashing McCain. We all know his stance, we don’t need to rehash it every day unless you’re pro-Obama, in which case you have nothing to lose, but if you get one conservative to stay home, then it’s as good as placing a lawn sign or signing up a dead voter.
Bill Grant said “He has listened. He has listened on drilling, he has listened on immigration, he has listened on a pro choice VP he has listened to the seething and whining of of people who don’t deserve to be listened to anymore. People like you who are shilling for “Chuck Baldwin” a 9/11 truther moonbat 3rd party nobody who isn’t going to be elected dog catcher.”
You know, that almost has me convinced you are a liberal troll. You’re attacking conservatives because they have an issue with immigration that you apparently don’t. Your words have angered me as well.
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
On September 8th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, Weary Citizen said:
You are wrong. Giuliani would have had more of a bounce, Tom Ridge could have swung Pennsylvania. Neither of which would have invalidated the “experience” argument against Obama. Palin is a risk. I hope it works.
You are wrong. He has promised enforcement first, which will give pro enforcement people time to push back. Obama has not promised any such thing and will sign an amnesty bill as soon as it hits his desk.
You just refuse to listen to reason.
You are telling me I am voting for Obama. I am telling you I am NOT voting for Obama. I am the one doing the voting, so clearly you are wrong, now SHUT UP about it, PLEASE!
I beg your pardon, but Bill Grant and many others here have a RIGHT to speak our piece, just as you and the opposition do.
What I find appalling in their position is how they are willing to throw an election to the enemy on a SINGLE ISSUE.
And now, I’m going to say something really unpopular.
I have come to the conclusion that we will not be able to deport at least 10 million illegals from this country.
Think about it. What are the alternatives to amnesty? Deportation or status quo. The latter is intolerable, yes. However, think of the ramifications, logistically and politically, of mass deportation 10 million people from this country. It will make the Trail of Tears look like a cakewalk. The world and the press will liken this action to the Holocaust – an exaggeration, yes, but nevertheless, the images will remind many of the cattle cars headed to Auschwitz.
It cannot be done. It will be logistically and politically impossible.
Secondly, if we did deport those millions of illegals who are working, who will fill the vacuum? Just “Americans”? I was disturbed to hear of how Muslim immigrants are taking jobs that illegal Mexicans worked. I’d rather have Mexicans than Muslims anyday, anytime, anywhere.
These are the steps we will probably have to take:
1. Build The Fence. We must stop the bleeding first.
2. Reform immigration policy. Demand that immigrants ASSIMILATE to our culture, and not retain theirs.
3. Deport all alien criminals and leeches.
4. Create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are actually working and supporting themselves.
Yeah, I was one of those who called, wrote, and emailed DC when Amnesty was considered. I was furious. But I have also examined the situation with more depth, and I realize that we don’t have much of an alternative here.
I believe in having principles and values. But I also believe in looking at situations with a lens of reality – to look at the possiblities of “unintended consequences” for any actions we take.
And that lens has shown me that the alternatives to amnesty will bear far graver circumstances for our nation.
MAYBE the problem is that those calling me an “Obama troll” don’t realize how destructive an amnesty would be. It would simply end this country as we know it.
Instantaneously, all legalized aliens — and their imported husbands/wives, kids — would qualify for ANY and EVERY social program that ever was. You would have a HUGE government-dependent population and would very likely see a raise in taxation and an unfathomable strain on state and local resources.
Assimilation would not occur, because there would be nothing for people to assimilate to in many locales.
It would encourage MORE illegal immigration, more than we’ve ever seen.
And don’t tell me that McCain wants to have border security “certified” before he moves forward with amnesty. He’s going to rely on Govs. Napalitano and Bill Richardson!?!? These idiots oppose the border fence! As does Rick Perry. And what the hell does Schwarzenegger know? He’s certainly not a conservative.
So no: I’m not a Machiavellian Obama troll, nor am I a right-wing political novice.
I’m a principled conservative. But I guess that’s a bad thing to some of you.
It’s a widely known fact that liberals are trying to convince people to vote for McCain. Oh, wait…
We’ve turned on the lights and are watching them scurry!
The fact that you have to resort to name calling indicates that you haven’t a political argument to stand on.
I don’t care what you do, and from your name, it’s apparent that you’re just too lazy to fight.
Go back to bed, loser.
It’s Killin em and
I Love it!!!
McCain/Palin 08′
And you almost have me convinced that you want to surrender to islamists because you want the skyline of NYC flattened to get a better view of the Hudson.
I am attacking stupid ideas. If you want to prevent illegal immigration then make that the focus. There are real, genuine ways that illegal immigration can be curtailed and rolled back with a McCain presidency. Obama will just write you off as a bitter gun clinger and sign the bill.
FOCUS on the problem and find a solution. Right now we are just stuck in vent on McCain mode which will only serve to elect obama and get a REAL amnesty.
Deal with it like an adult rather then telling people to shut up.
You forgot attrition. Where immigration laws have been enforced, we have already seen the illegal immigrants deport themselves without any additional effort on our part – unfortunately many of them deport themselves to sanctuary cities instead. If enforcement were nation-wide, then they’d be heading south, as we have already seen earlier this year.
Build the fence with a one-way door.
And if Obama is elected, will more illegals ‘self-deport’ or will less do so.
Speaking only for me – my issue with McCain is core values. I really don’t want a president who holds his finger into the wind on every little thing. We already had that – his name was Clinton.
So what if McCain “listened” on drilling, conservative VP pick etc…
I suppose it’s better than not listening – but if the man had good conservative values at his core it wouldn’t be an opinion poll matter – it’d be a doing what is right matter.
Yes, I’m all for attrition, but I am worried about Muslim immigrants filling the void, and they are doing that right now.
Tell me, what would you rather have living next door to you? A family of Mexicans who probably go to a local Christian church, or a family of Muslims, who will agitate for special privileges and the building of a mosque in your neighborhood?
Look at Europe. I don’t want to go there.
lol
You know what Bill, I respected your opinions. Until now. You have become nothing more than the name calling idiots on this board. Screw you buddy. It is people liek you, as nyc123me rightfully points out, that turn people from MCAMNESTY. Prove he does not support amensty. I dare you (LOL).
Now, I fro one am sick of this whole freaking debate. I NEVER bring it up first. Nor do I get involved until someone like athelig comes in and attacks and belittles everyone. Look, you will NEVER EVER change my mind. And if you cared to read my post to John Ansell above you might actually understand where I am coming from. Jesus Christ, I hope all those mccain points are worth it to you.
I live in a town infested with illegals. I know perfectly well. I was in Miami for the Mariel sealift. I have seen what an influx of people who don’t speak the language and require social services can do.
I also know that of all the options I have on election day, only one has a chance of preventing amnesty and open borders.
You, sir, are evidently unaware of that fact, which leads me to my assertion of your troll status. As I stated previously, you can now return to Kos or DU and take your other stealth trolls along with you. You have been exposed for what you are and will never accomplish your goals here. You have failed.
How do you figure that? When it comes to legal immigration, I have no problem at all. If Mexicans (for example) stop coming over the border illegally because immigration laws are enforced, I don’t see how that means Muslims’ will take their place.. maybe I missed your meaning?
At this point we have had primaries and whittled down the choice of VIABLE candidates to 2. John McCain and Barack Obama. Chuck Baldwin, the truther 9/11 moonbat who is the poor mans Ron Paul or Rosanne’s dad are not going to be elected president of the USA. Most people have come to terms with that irrefutable fact.
Shut up yourself, obamatard. You would probably be happier over here where people tell republicans to shut up regularly.
@ Wise_Man
Illegals will flood the border if EITHER CANDIDATE speaks of amnesty. Whenever Bush mentioned it over the past 8 years, the Border Patrol reported an increased flow of illegals.
It’s up to the states at this point, along with ICE staffers. Their constant enforcement will reduce the numbers.
The answer to your question depends on the future of ICE. The people running the agency DO want to enforce the law. They’re getting some support from the current White House. Yes, Obama might appoint open-border fanatics to these posts, and that would be bad. But McCain might as well. So who knows?
What we DO know is that amnesty is the ONE issue to which McCain has committed almost all of his political capital over the past 6 to 8 years. The issue towards the bottom of Obama’s “to do” list.
The best scenario for preventing amnesty is likely a conservative Congress, and an Obama White House.
The worst scenario: a liberal Congress and a McCain White House.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Puhlease.. you’re sounding just like those libs who scream racist at anyone who doesn’t support Obama. Seriously. I’m not calling you one of them btw, but that’s how it came off..
Illegal aliens are THE issue for some of us, so understand that and you’ll probably find some of us will ‘see the light’ as you guys put it and vote McCain on the day. Continue to chastize us and call us libs and Obama supporters, and you can pretty much guarantee that’s a 3rd party vote, so how about you use the common sense you keep lecturing us to use and realize we’re on the same team (the anti_Obama one).
Americans seem to have forgotten that, while Juan McCain is diverting America’s attention to Palin, his hispanic outreach director Hernandez is silently choaking America to a slow and painful demise. Then again, with enough distractions, Americans will not feel the pain.
Maybe we should try. If we got about 100,000 rounded up then I bet there would be a mass self-deportation like we have never seen. How about we spend some money and pay the Mexican govenment to keep them all 5 MILES INSIDE THE MEXICAN BORDER? Because its not really about us CARING for the ILLEGALS.
Don’t care. Why do I give a flip what Botswana thinks of our ‘internal matter’. No one else in the world seems to care what Russia or China does ‘internally’. (dont even go with the argument of but we are better than them
)
Bad argument. We shipped HOW MUCH military supplies and HOW MANY troops over to the Persian Gulf? I’m pretty sure we didnt manufacture any of it in Bahrain or the UAE.
How many Starbucks, Super 8 motels and Home Depots do I need? (not picking on those companies, just examples) Maybe people need to mow their own lawns again or weed their own flower beds for a change. If you have to hire an illegal to work for you in your own company in order to turn/maximize a profit, THEN YOU SHOULDNT BE IN BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Just saying…
Give it up already. Nobody here is going to vote for Obama.
Once again, you prove you’re completely uninformed and ignorant of the issues.
The old “we have to give amensty or deport 20M” argument of every amensty supporter. The solution is simple for those who acutally understand the issue.
1. Eliminate the magnets that draw and keep them here – no welfare. no anchor babies. no jobs. no hope of citizneship. This will virtualyl halt all further illegal immigration.
2. Once demagnetized the remaining illegals will ATTRIT over the next 10 years. They will leave if there is no benefit to staying.
This is not new. It is just ignored by th epole and libs because it would truly solve the problem in several years.
As for the muslims immigrating instead of mexicnas. What? Most muslims come legally to the US. So the best way to stop that is stop legal immigration of muslims. H*ll, that should have been done on 9/12/01. At leaset until they prove they can live peacefully in a civilized society.
You don’t care what kind of person is an immigrant to America so long as he is “legal”? I do. Having legal immigrant status is no guarantee of a good citizen.
Are you unaware of the Islamic agenda to destroy western civilization? Really?
ICE Raid on Mexican Illegals in Kosher Meat Plant replaced by Imported Extremist Somali Muslims
Lets call it what it is: if you are not going to allow yourself to see the obvious, and that is what we have come down to at this point then what is the point of pretending that the conclusions that you will not allow yourself to deviate from are reasonable?
I gave given you the opportunity to win me over. To persuade me that McCain bad, some other solution is good. All you have to do is show me how we can defeat an amnesty under Barack Obama. That’s it.
No one has been able to do that. He will sign it because he doesn’t answer to you.
If this is REALLY about Amnesty then show me your plan to address it. If this is just about McCain then please have the intellectual courage to come out for Obama.
Can McCain just step aside and let the ticket be:
Palin/The_Only_Presidential_Candidate_to_Commit_to_Sessions’_15_Point_Plan?
Trying to rain on the parade ain’t workin….
It’s Killin em and
I Love it!!!
McCain/Palin 08′
Image: aj opening umbrella to stop all the poop droppings.
The reasons against Obama and for McCain haven’t changed. The only thing that has is the amount of “McAmnesty” B.S. How many times do you need to have it explained to you?
What an immature attitude. You are not using reason, but emotion now. You sound like a rebellious adolescent. Normally I don’t disagree with you on this board, but I am really surprised to find you taking such a juvenile attitude here. “If you keep on arguing with me, I’m gonna vote 3rd party”.
Unbelievable.
Oh I’m sorry, I missed which church the MS13 Latino mens club or the Tijuana Drug cartel social organizations go to…
Sorry JD in D.C., but I’ll never vote for an Obama White House. I’d much rather McCain than Obama, as much as it bothers me saying so because of his immigration stance.
No Bill, this is not me contradicting myself; I am fully aware of what the choices are, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. And as soon as anyone starts using the playground argument you have been using, then you’re going to get a reaction. If you really want me and others like me to vote McCain, then let us chill a bit and then talk reasonably, don’t exacerbate the moment by screaming that we’re Obama supporters if we don’t do as you say. You understand? I really hope you do.
Now I’ve heard a lot of bizarre things in my life – but I have to admit, this one is near the top.
With Obama you are right, we’d have no amnesty – we’d have no country.
McCain listened to a guy in a penguin suit in 2000 about global warming and now he is pushing cap and trade.
Funny how he never seems to listen to reasoned arguments from our side. This is not principle, it is obstinance.
McCain did listen to us. That’s why we have the McCain/Palin ticket. He thought about a pro-choice candidate. He saw what the result was going to be and knew to pick someone else. If we raise our voices loud enough, I think we’ll be able to tell him border security first and no amnesty. Plus Little Miss Attila is reporting that the congressional races may be tightening up. If we can manage to get one house of congress back, it’ll definately keep amnesty at bay.
Has anyone bothered to keep track of the lies and opinion that is based on no fact whatsoever about McCain presented here on this site?
That list must be in the hundreds of pages long at this point.
EXACTLY my point – it’s an emotional issue. You don’t get honey from a beehive by smacking it with a stick. Yes your arguments make sense, but your method of threatening ‘non-conformists’ stink.
Do you get it yet?
I did include immigration policy reform on my list. I just didn’t list the details for brevity’s sake.
You completely ignore the fact that mass deportation is going to give the libs plenty of ammo against immigration reform because they will be busy showing the world that conservatives are heartless bastards.
Yes, I agree that elements supporting attrition should be in place – fine employers who hire illegals, etc… I’m all for it. But again, I say that mass deportation will be impossible and expensive.
Yes, we mobilize our military en masse. Doing so to civilians will be messier, and costly – both politically and fiscally.
We must take reasoned, measured steps to reform on this issue. The first step is building the fence. McCain has already acknowledged its necessity. We should first focus on that if he is elected.
We also need to vote for those in Congress who will support our cause, no matter what party. The President can’t do much to reform immigration law without Congress to write that law.
Valiant – that was exactly my point. Supposedly he listens but what is the core value?
RabbidSquirrel, great posts. MS13 is voting for McCain.
That’s a separate issue entirely – that is an issue with lax vetting procedures, not immigration law itself.
No, I don’t get it. I don’t use emotion to make political decisions. I use reason and facts.
Your acknowledgment that emotions color your position only serves the notion that women (and I assume that you are a woman) can’t make rational decisions in the political arena. Thanks alot.
I am sure somebody will answer you for the thousandth time where you will ignore the facts once again. This sir, makes you a troll. Since I have seen and provided dozens of responses to your nuttery on here at HA, I can no longer respond to your lies.
You just contradicted yourself. You call it a “vetting” issue and not about immigration law? What the heck is immigration law but about vetting a person before he enters this country???
Sigh. I don’t wish to continue this argument because you are using emotion and not reason. For me, it’s a waste of time.
Enough. You go your way, and I will go mine.
He has listened. And you ignore that fact.
Look, I never said it would be easier to stop amnesty under obummer (I am an equal oppty offender). Probably harder frankly as he will want the new voters on board ASAP. That is not my point. So why keep harping on it. My point is if mccain wins with the overwheling support of conservatives, the GOP will beleive they have a winning strategy of moving left on issues. The party only cares about winning these days. Principles and issues don’t matter as much. That simply means they will continue to drift left. I know you talk about fighting that, but I always ask how? And I get nothing more than the same stuff we have always done. And that just hasn’t worked up to now so what will change. Sure we won battels but not the war. I hope the gop can be changed. If they begin changing I will rejoin the party. But I will continue to vote for conservative (non amensty) candidates. Regardless of the party.
Gotcha Re-election is the core value of all politicians.
Not only “ignore”, but LIED about it as well.
These people cannot be reasoned with. Thank God there aren’t too many of them. I consider those lost votes, but fortunately, most Americans are pragmatic and reasonable enough to recognize that throwing away their vote for one issue is ridiculous.
I’m not going to sweat it.
I know it’s odd, and I couldn’t vote for Obama, but this is the most accurate calculation on the amnesty situation.
Think about it: if we had Kerry in the White House for the past 4 years, do you really think that there would have been an amnesty bill? No. Kerry had no interest in pushing an amnesty; it wasn’t even on his radar.
But even if there were such a bill, Republicans would have fought it even MORE fiercely than they did under the Bush presidency, and we would have had the battle lines clearly drawn: Dems = Amnesty; Repubs = Enforcement.
Today, it’s a politically-jumbled mess because of open-border republicans. I don’t want another one. The fact that we’re all arguing on here is PROOF POSITIVE that these lefty “republicans” have royally screwed the GOP.
Being called a troll by someone who purports to be a conservative on a conservative internet page and wants McCain to lose and Obama to win to advance the cause of conservatism …. is just about as funny as it can get.
At least after the election, when half of us are right, and win, and the other half here lose, when Obama loses … I do hope that they’ll do us all the courtesy of identifying themselves for who they actually are on the way out. It’s the polite thing to do.
I’m not so sure about this. McCain was advised to pick a pro-choice candidate and he didn’t. The poll numbers show Palin was a great pick. If the RNC is paying attention, they should see that a conservative candidate is what brought the base out for them. If anything, the choosing of Palin has showed them moving to the right is what wins them elections.
How long have we been at this? How many times do the same arguments have to be refuted? We are 2 months away. usually people coalesces and circle the wagons 100 days out….
Again, we are covering the same ground here… over and over. It is like “groundhog day” whenever I tune in. The thought actually crossed my mind about programming function keys with the counterarguments to the various strawman that roam Michellemalkin.com.
If this is REALLY about Amnesty then lets make it about amnesty. Lets organize, get action alerts, work together to push it back. We may not get rid of all the illegals but it would be better then sniping at each other and doing nothing.
If this is just about going over the same old ground to continue the game of chicken with McCain until the last second in order to have a personalized engraved promise do whatever he is told it isn’t going to happen and, no matter how you look at it this nonsense at this point is just helping Obama.
It is too late in the game for this BS. Time to take a side.
Exactly! These people are making wild assumptions and assertions with no empirical evidence! Good God!
I reacted to this post about the RNC (McCain by proxy) removing the ‘build the fence’ signs. That angered me and aggravated the wound of knowing that voting for McCain goes against one of the biggest election issues (for me), which is obviously immigration. So yes, I got emotional. Forgive me for being human. As I have said, if you (or Bill etc) realized that and gave us a moment to calm down, you would not have to say a word at all, we would realize what the choices are and what’s at stake all by ourselves. Instead, some start screaming that we’re Obama supporters and trolls and blah blah, which only aggravates us further. As I said, pushing those buttons when we’re already annoyed is not doing anyone any favors, except maybe Obama.
You really want me to answer that?
Oh for gad sake. Vetting legal immigrants is separate to the issue of what to do about illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are NOT vetted.
Sorry that confused you..
No need to answer. It’s quite clear.
I forgot to ask you – you claim that we can deport illegals because we ship out troops.
10 million of them? 10 million???
Go back and rethink those numbers. When have we ever shipped 10 million people? WHEN?
@ Guitarplayer
You’ve got it all backwards. McCain WANTED to pick an abortionist. Hell, he wanted to pick Al Gore’s running mate!!!
He was advised to pick a conservative to give some red meat to the base. The hope was that Palin would be enough smoke and mirrors to get conservatives to forget about McCain’s left-wing tendencies. And for some people, it’s working.
Once he’s elected, McCain won’t have to listen to these advisors anymore. He’ll answer to ONLY himself and his lefty minions like Lindsay Grahamnesty. ESPECIALLY if McCain only serves 4 years as he has suggested he might do. TRANSLATION: “I’m not running for re-election, so I’ll do what I want.”
McCain said during his acceptance speech last week: “I don’t work for a party.”
Well you know what? We NEED a president who is a little more partisan. Bush really was not a committed Republican either. Maybe he was more conservative than McCain, but he was never too focused on the Party. In some sense, this is commendable, but our party is falling apart and we NEED a president who will work for the best interests of the party. Any discussion of amnesty just destroys us.
On September 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, Weary Citizen said:
If they thought that why would they have chosen Palin over Lieberman or Ridge? No, he isn’t going to come to that conclusion. Everyone knows where everyone stands at this point.
Organizing, coordinating, writing letters, making phone calls, sending e-mails, pounding on doors, ambushing them at the supermarket, running ads in the papers, radio, TV and the internet….
The pro amnesty groups are doing this. They take to the streets by the hundreds of thousands. Where is our response? We are too busy shooting each other in the foot. If they win it will be because they simply outworked us.
You see though, it has, it can and if we do it; it will.
We already would have had an amnesty bill had we not gotten mad and loud. Michelle Malkin deserves great credit for her part in that. We stopped it before we can push for reform on our terms.
If we lose at least we went down swinging instead of just rolling over and taking it.
McCain is well qualified to step into the position of the second Coyote-in-Chief of the United States. But so is Obama. It’s never been harder to pick the lesser of two evils.
I don’t know why people are so fascinated by a war over in Iraq, which has no relevance whatsoever to the future of the US, and so indifferent to illegal migration, which will have a profound effect and change our culture to be more like Cuba or Mexico with their corruption and strong man types of government.
What is one of the most dangerous situations for a Police Officer to be in?
A Domestic Violence call.
Why? Because when the officer goes to cuff the husband or boyfriend and cart him off to jail then the crazy wench that just got beat down will turn on the officer instead. (Then the husband or b/f starts crying and BabyMomma starts screaming police brutality……)
We’re all family here
Actually, from what was leaked, it was McCain who wanted a strong conservative. It was his advisers pressuring him to get a pro-choice candidate. That’s why they floated the pro-choice candidate idea to see how we would react. When they saw that it would cost McCain the election, they went with Palin.
Source please?
Oh, that’s right. Your source is “Unnamed sources.”
The fact is that he picked Sarah Palin. That’s what he did. Not would have should have “HE WANTED TO BUT DIDN”T!!”
John McCain is eminently qualified to step into the position of the second Coyote-in-Chief of the nation. But so is Obama. Never has it been harder to pick the lesser of two evils.
Fine. Work for the people. Poll after poll says that the people don’t want amnesty and do want border security.
Anyway folks, I need to run and take care of the dog.
You don’t ship out ten million. You ship out one, and then another and then another and then another… in every city, everyday, with every traffic stop, with every jaywalking incident, with every emergency room visit… we ship them out the way a chicken eats a pile of corn… one at a time.
On September 8th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, RabbidSquirrel
In that case, would it kill you to call?
OK, Everyone, this year thanksgiving at RabbidSquirrel’s.
I’m with you there Bill.
Look Bill, Atheling, whoever else, yes we’ve butted heads over this same issue before, and I’m pretty sure it’s only happened on posts where I’ve been frustrated about McCain’s pro-amnesty stance. You may not like it, but when you take the offensive when someone is in that kind of mood, you might as well be talking to a brick wall – all you will do is trigger their defenses, as is clearly illustrated here. Sorry if you don’t like that, but that’s how it is.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
The Palin pick certainly changed my perspective, and I do realize that it is imperative the Obama not be elected POTUS, but heck, try to realize that voting McCain is asking me to compromise myself. Yes, I’ll vote McCain (hope you’re smiling at that Bill), I’m not a complete moron, but at least allow me to express displeasure. The majority of the population, Republican and democrat, are against amnesty, after all.
Should of, could of, would of…
What matters is we got PALIN now and with any luck, she will be President soon, pick Pat Buchanan as her VP and we are cleaning up America baby!
Well at that rate, what’s the point? We’ll all be long gone before any effectiveness takes place.
Listen, I want to get rid of the illegals who commit crimes here, but I just don’t see how we can deport all 10 million (and it may be even up to 20 million – who knows?)
I’m all for attrition, as I stated earlier. But we can’t allow the status quo, and deportation is a nightmare.
So what is the other choice?
Atheling, I’m male btw, but I’ll take your words earlier as a compliment.
You missed what I said. I implied that if we were serious about deportation. But I said we would only need to do about 100,000….. ok maybe a million.
But troop molibization? We get hundreds if not thousands of troops moved AROUND THE WORLD every day. Sending illegals to the Mexican/Canadian border is only 2000 miles max??? Heck, charge Mexico for the gas and shipping costs. FedEx does a great job.
But if you want to talk scale in relatively short time-frames then
WWI
WWII
Korea
Viet Nam
Gulf War I
Iraq
10 million…. you have to start somewhere.
(and fyi, im playing pseudo devils advocate today)
Enforce existing federal law. Punish businesses who employ illegals. If there’s no work, there’s no money, so there’s no reason to come here.
So if we deport and use laws to get rid of the illegals, what of the legal Muslims who step into their place?
Does anyone here wish to see Muslims over Mexicans working in our factories?
I think we can’t say mass roundups and deportation wouldn’t work until we TRY IT!
Maybe we could drive them like cattle… or find one to act like the lead lemming and point them toward the ocean… hell just DO SOMETHING to get rid of them.