Slick Joe Biden admits: Yes, I’m a cold-blooded murderer
Joe Biden gave us another notable moment this weekend on Meet The Press when he came the closest a high-ranking Democrat has come to admitting his advocacy of cold-blooded murder. Guess he didn’t want to get stuck like Pelosi, with Catholic officials breathing down her stiff neck:
Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic nominee for vice president, departed Sunday from party doctrine on abortion rights, declaring that as a Catholic, he believes life begins at conception.
While Mr. Biden’s views may not be new to Democrats in his circle, his comments, in an interview on “Meet the Press” on NBC, came at a time when his party is confronted with a new face: Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, whose anti-abortion stance and decision to give birth just five months ago to a baby with Down syndrome have revved up the conservative base of her party.
In the interview Sunday, Mr. Biden tried to walk the line between the staunch abortion-rights advocates in his party and his own religious beliefs. While he said he did not often talk about his faith, he said of those who disagree with him: “They believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life — I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception.”
And so, I wonder, is he also prepared to accept his culpability in perpetuating the mass destruction of millions of those unborn lives that began at the moment of conception?
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hey hey hey how about them polls???
( in fat albert voice altho am not fat,a man or black )
+10 in LIKELY voters meowwwwwwwwwww
psst aj you have mail
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/separating-palin-fact-from-palin-fiction/
OT (I’m doing that a lot today)
I saw this guy on Fox this morning. The list in informative and funny too.
Thumpers, yes, but I also remember that Laura Bush may have supported this also.
Bottom line is, and I’ve thought this for years, DDT was banned and the excuse was the eggs of some bird, but that was a scapegoat for the real mission to eradicate the poor, who are the troublesome of the African population that the leaders don’t want to deal with. JMO
Tx,
whoops lets see what Holdidays are prior to election hmm well we got ramadan. perhaps obamabi can eat during sunup to show he is Christian. we do know they don’t celebrate Christmas TX
lol
he already said that or birthdays. Tried to make it about the other children are sufferin thing ( which oddly flies in face of the brother in the hut reality ) and on and on it goes.
did you catch Axelrod on Chris Wallace yesterday? That bungler better cash the checks quick
Funny how the Democrats tried the “Eagleton” meme on Sarah Palin…
…it is an “Epic FAIL” when applied to Sarah Palin, but you know to whom it more appropriately applies?
Joe Biden.
It’s ironic how even pro-abortion Rudy Giuliani hinted at this when he said that Joe Biden better get the VP offer “in writing”.
Now, would Obama ever drop Biden and take on Hillary as his VP?
That’s a tough call. He’d be hammered as a flip-flopper. He’d be hammered for only doing it to pander to women. He’d be putting himself between Hillary and the presidency (Vince Foster was unavailable for comment and things happen). He’d be creating a ticket with not one, but two, Marxists connected to Saul Alinsky.
My guess is Obama sticks it out with Biden, while Hillary:
1) Gets money out of Obama in return for her “support”.
2) Laughs as Obama-Biden goes down in defeat.
3) Hopes that McCain serves his full 4 years in office.
Jang,
was teasing we are on same team ie: America. I know the story and the insanity it created ( continues to )
am someone who stockpiles “products” incase they are banned. It is a given if its good it shall be banned or modified to the point of useless…
does not fear DEET or food can strip with MEK and kill things in garden.
side note to Lady footlocker:
could you please bring back the shorts I love am runnig low.
bansharia …
I felt the first DDT post was somewhat disjointed and therefore unclear … so I was just trying to clarify what I thought was being said …
Either way … my post was also meant to show why the environmentalist wackos should be forced to shoulder much of the blame for Africa’s mosquito related problems and the resultant deaths …
Hey trailer trash! Sticks and stones my friend….sticks and stones
On September 8th, 2008 at 10:36 am, bansharia said:
am someone who stockpiles “products” incase they are banned
Red,
as mentioned earlier the dem slacks are predicting/hoping/praying to a rock or pile of sludge that bidet will be gone by this weekend.
hillary has her dance card full will NOT come to rescue. dems are subserviant by definiton will flood her with $ if she asks for it in future.
this entire obambi run was led by those who felt usurped there will be no melding of the swimmer etc and the clintons. that said it is a funny rumor
to feed the flames.
jang,
how much you need can spare some for an American
Desert,
I hear you and agree. And so we have West Nile and Lyme etc. stock up to hell with gold lol!
Rusty, Rusty, Rusty
How many times do I need to remind you. This a nonreligious issue. Listen sport. This is about constitutional law and there is nothing in that doctument on the rights of abortion. It is a creation of the courts. Find that right for me please.
Do I need to argue constitutional law with you. Do I need to remind you that our constitution is there to limit the power of government. Do I need to remind you of the dangers of government that can set arbitrary standards of when life and death occurs. And do I need to show you that the only non arbitrary time of life’s beginning is at conception. If you can’t see this clearly you should declare yourself an anarchist and live outside the security of law. This social agreement we have is for all of our protection. Yes, life is one big compromise.
I’ve got ticks, chiggers, skeeters, pine beetles, rattlesnakes…all of which seem to be on someones protection list!
Gotta go to work now, ya’ll have a great day!
Obama now thinks that he was “too flip” on the abortion question where he quipped “that’s above my pay grade.”
How is he unable to give an account of why he believes what he believes? And this man is supposed to become the next POTUS?
Just when did creationist evangelists come to power? I must have not read the news that day. Where I am living I church attendance is still not mandatory, nor does there seem to be the slightest reduction in pornography, out of wedlock births, or even public diplays of affection. Was the takeover just in your parts perhaps?
OT-
lol, the berserko tree sitters have till noon today to get out and that force is not off the table to remove them…. ROFLMAO!!! but ew. who wants to touch them. (gag)
People!!
Don’t argue about abortion from the religious viewpoint. You will lose every time. You will beat down the pro death side with strong constitutional arguments.
HAHA Thanks for the compliment. It was probably a lot of Christian and trailer trash folk that saved Europe’s butts. Why don’t you refute my post – idiot.
I’m not Rusty, so I can see you’ve put your finger right on the problem. However, you’ve missed the other nonarbitrary time: birth.
That limited legalistic approach to abortion is why we have millions of actual babies being put to death. Because we refuse to recognize humanity vests in a fetus over time, as a society we choose to deny humanity until birth.
We need to elect Legislators and Governors and Congresspeople and Presidents who understand the problem, but if a politician recognizes a clump of tissue (embryo) really is just a clump of tissue (uh, the complex scientific process for that determination is you actually LOOK at it instead of relying on ideology/theology), you guys scream, “BABY KILLER!!!”
So we get a society awash in homocidal insanity instead. Good job.
Keep in mind this comment appeared exactly one day after Obama was quoted as saying that he “regretted” has answer on abortion at the Saddleback event.
This is back-peddling at its best. They are on the wrong side, they know it, and now they’re just looking for a way to change their mind without it appearing to everyone that they suddenly slammed on the brakes and pull the wheel over as far as it would go…
Yes, just one more reason why McCain/Palin, who had it right from the start, with love in their hearts, are the right choice for America!
No. Of course not. I don’t think that Biden is very bright. He has not yet made the logical connection that if life begins at conception then abortion is the killing of human life.
The beauty of believing “it’s a baby” is, we only have to have one position. The other side has so many positions/ definitions of when life begins they can’t keep track and can’t agree. And I am called crazy.
It amazes me when some people refer to a human being in an early stage of development as “a clump of tissue”. A steak is a clump of tissue, not a very young cow.
“I vus only vollowing my oweders.”
Exactly! The pro-aborts use the same tactics the Nazis did: deny the humanity of the people they were exterminating.
The word or act “birth” has no well defined legal definition. Not being well defined means its arbitrary.
No…sausage must be referring to the Democrats who took over Congress in 2006. That’s when things started going down the “plug hole”, so to speak.
Didn’t know they were all creationist evangelicals, though.
During our sermon at Church yesterday, the deacon said he could not tell us who to vote for. However, he did say that we needed to be aware of politicians who claim to be Catholic, but support pro-choice or gay marriage, neither of which are acceptable teachings of the Church.
He got applause from the congregation when he was through.
Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton are all so radically pro-abortion that they voted against the confirmation of John G. Roberts, Jr. to be Chief Justice of the United States.
They self-identified themselves as the farthest of the far-left.
They will do whatever it takes to protect the “right” of a woman to murder her child.
… a right that the 1973 SCOTUS smelled from the ‘emanations’ of ‘penumbra’ of 3 or 4 parts of the Constitution. That’s exactly why we need people on the SCOTUS that interpets the Constitution based on the plain language in which it was written, and the clear intent of the Founders.
It’s time to alter our Government to protect, not destroy, the clearly God-given unalienable Right to Life.
Start with a “Life At Conception Act”.
Then follow it up with a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution.
Better hope no one figures out your church, njrazd. They’ll come down on it like a ton of bricks for daring to follow Church teaching.
FWIW, read this great homily by Milwaukee’s Archbishop Timothy Dolan, from August 31, 2008.
A great homily, and never more relevant than in current times.
clearly:
God-given
unalienable Right to Life
YES This is why our constitution needs a non arbitrary definition when life begins. All government can become corrupt, even ours
That’s not true…he spouts doctrine from the Church of Liberalism, well, liberally!
Does anyone believe for a moment that this statement was not politically motivated? Looking ahead to the debates, I would think he wanted to be able to blunt any criticism of his support of abortion. Though I am not Catholic, I don’t understand how a practicing Catholic can receive Holy Communion when their stance on the abortion issue is at odds with those of their church, and God…?
Mohandas Karamachand Gandhi, (a liberal icon) one of the most influential figures in modern social and political activism, considered these traits to be the most spiritually perilous to humanity.
Wealth without Work
Pleasure without Conscience
Science without Humanity
Knowledge without Character
Politics without Principle
Commerce without Morality
Worship without Sacrifice
How many of these traits fit the two Democrat Party wanna-be’s? I see at least five of the seven.
“While he said he did not often
talk abouthishave any faith,”I’m not Catholic, I attend a Southern Baptist Church. My Preacher often says that too. He can’t tell us how to vote, but this is what the Bible says about a particular subject.
Some issues, such as gun control, might have some leeway. But other issues, such as abortion and gay rights, the Bible is very clear on. One simply can’t say one is Christian and, yet, support killing babies or support that which God calls an “abomination.”
The Obama/Biden team sure are taking a hard turn right. Obama says now that he will not reverse the Bush tax cuts and Biden says life begins at conception….Barry must have called Dukakis, Gore and Kerry and they told him, far left people lose presidential elections. At least, this is entertaining…I was overseas during Kerry’s run and missed the good stuff. Glad i’m here for this one!!
Hey Rusty anybody prove to be me legally that life does not begin a conception.
Come on, get some courage. Come out and play. Do you not have the backbone.
Please, I want to slap your self serving anarchist butts.
Where are you baby killers.
Jeeeeeesssss!!!!!!!!!
Joe Biden’s kind of courage gave us 80 years of slavery.
“I’m prepared as a matter of faith to believe that the African was endowed by his Creator with the same rights as the White Man…”
But the slavers have a right to their opinion too, don’t they? And who would Biden be to walk all over their property rights? Ending slavery would have a devastating effect on the South’s economy.
Of course “life” “begins” at conception. That’s not the relevant question.
The moral question is when humanity begins. And when it ends.
For instance, in my opinion humanity ends at murder. It’s been forfeited by choice. I can’t quite comprehend how anyone can disagree with that. So bizarre. So it’s okay to kill the murderer. It also ends at brain death. So it’s okay to pull the plug.
If the clump of tissue washes out of the woman on its own before attaching, should it be given a funeral? Don’t usually about four out of five embryos do that? Shouldn’t they be collected and given proper respect? Or don’t you care?
So you vote to force people who don’t share your beliefs to live by your religious code? Think about how horrible that is.
Incidentally, the Bible isn’t very clear as abortion and the New Testament isn’t very clear on homosexuality (it’s called unnatural…but you don’t see any Constitutional amendment trying to prevent women with implants from getting married).
And I do mean “incidentally.” Forcing non-Christians to abide by your rules reeks of inequality, unfairness, and theocracy.
Remember, the Bible endorsed slavery too.
Humanity is not in question nor it it legally definable.
If you wish to
I’m consistent. I don’t believe in capital punishment.
Um, that’s easy. The very legality of abortion means that, legally, life does not begin at conception.
But I don’t think that’s what you meant.
I just love how libs quote from the Bible when it seems to serve their purpose. Ask them if they’ll allow a student-led Bible study at school and you’ll get a whole different opinion on the Bible.
Actually, it is very clear on it. Read the first chapter of Romans.
And forcing Christians to keep quiet about their beliefs in the public square reeks of inequality, unfairness, and a secular humanist totalitarian state.
So, now it’s ok to talk about the Old Testament as well? If that’s the case, lets talk about how the book Leviticus feels about homosexuality. Let’s talk about how the Psalms describe God know you while you were in your mother’s womb when it comes to abortion.
Let’s define the word and action, ABORT:
(From Webster-Merriam Dictionary)
abort = teminate = kill = to deprive one of life
The leftist have no leg to stand on regarding abortion. Plain and simple. The “clump of cells” argument falls short. It is still life.
For example, when doctors find a rapidly growing clump of cells that endanger one’s life, as in Ted Kennedy’s case, they do all in their power to destroy/kill/eliminate all those living cancer cells. They are removed through surgery, and killed via radiation “therapy,” and chemo-therapy.
(HINT: You cannot kill that which is NOT alive!)
So, if cancer cells are alive, then the “clump of cells” in utero are alive, no?
If left to develop, the cancer cells grow, and eventually KILL the human, whereas the “clump of cells” the liberals love to destroy, if allowed to grow and divide, result in (most often) the live birth of a little human.
Contrast that!
Abortion, the Declaration of Independence, the Bible, and the First Amendment
guitarplayer:
Do not waste time, effort, life, oxygen, etc. in trying to intelligently discuss a subject, the very conception (sorry for the pun) of which escapes your interlocutors.
As soon as you see the “most people feel” or “the courts said” arguments, you are guaranteed that your co-discussant has no clue as to how to understand your worldview; and will never understand your worldview.
Also, as soon as you see the
type of argument, I see a resemblance to the “it’s not perfect, therefore it’s not good” argument.
Which makes me extremely suspicious that the one who employs that argument just might be a mole who adheres to the opposing worldview, and who is here merely to cause mischief.
One employing such an argument is actually employing it as a smokescreen; sort of like when opponents of the border fence say they oppose it because, they assert, it won’t work; or the way opponents of missile defense say they oppose it because, they assert, it won’t work;
when, what they really mean, is:
They do not want to stop illegal immigration;
they do not want us to defend ourselves against missile attack;
and, they do not want strict controls on abortions. Period.
Please shower when you get home…
Roland said:
We have millions of babies being killed because we had a few immoral people on the Supreme Court, and now have a bunch of immoral people throughout our country.
If we suppose that “things” gradually become human, then, to be consistent, we ought to look at little children and the elderly as less human than mature humans in their prime. Hey, why stop with age/development? Why not say people with certain IQs are more human than those with lesser IQs.
Now let’s think about that long and hard. Is your approach going to lead towards greater respect for life, or less?
Oh, and if you disagree with me, you are obviously less human. /sarcasm
Sorry, Granite, but you couldn’t have it more wrong. On most of the other issues of the day I’m generally accused of being Attila the Hun. I’m a Reagan conservative. I’m a foreign policy punitivist. Men and women are DIFFERENT.
And yet I think Sarah Palin is a miracle. Heaven sent.
However, a clump of tissues that doesn’t think or feel or sense anything, and never has is ………… well, putting aside the complicated issue of the algore for the moment, it’s not a ‘human being.’ Human DNA or not.
You can dodge and weave all you want in attempts to simplify the morality of abortion or to hang up the argument on the current state of law (when this is obviously a philosophical issue), but you’re still stuck with a clump of tissue.
And if even YOU don’t want to treat it like a human being (you think the funeral thing is a joke because you’re hiding from the truth), then you shouldn’t be forcing others to do it.
And don’t confuse me with the Democrats. A third trimester fetus is obviously a BABY. Just as obviously as an embryo is a clump of tissues.
Rusty said:
Gotta love it when liberals try to tell us what the Bible teaches. If you had a hint of objectivity in this matter, I would take the time to refute you. Of course, anyone who takes the Bible seriously doesn’t take your post seriously, so I won’t bother.
granite,
I agree that there are some out there that logic and reason is lost on. They’ll still cling to their worldview no matter what. Still, I’d like a chance to engage them in a discussion about it.
The trolls. God bless ‘em for firing us up.
I’m kinda new around here and still don’t know who’s who yet. I know there are some liberals that come by (lgm and bemusedlib) and have had discussions with them before. Don’t know much about Rusty yet.
True enough. I’d still like to know their reasoning (if any) behind it. If they don’t want to talk or give no reason, then I’ve only lost the little time it took me to compose my post. I’ve also learned who I can try to engage in with a discussion around here and who I can’t.
Trollman, morality obviously needs lines.
For instance, we may have all been ‘created equal’ (hmmm .. really?), and maybe we should all get ‘treated equally,’ but only a blithering idiot can’t see some people are vastly ‘better’ human beings than some others are.
There does need to be a line at origin. Trying to draw the line at conception has cost the world horribly by having the unintended consequence of electing grossly unfit leaders. I would think that was obvious.
Roland said:
When my wife had a miscarriage (early in the pregnancy), she didn’t lose a clump of cells, we lost our child. I buried our tiny child myself. Grow up.
Roland said:
You either are human, or you aren’t human. There is nothing inbetween. A “great” human is still a human, just as a murderer is still a human.
Roland said:
And that line, as found in nature, is conception. It is the least arbitrary point for the beginning of humanity. I’m sorry if nature isn’t politically expedient enough for you.
You have my heartfelt sympathy for your loss.
Your child wasn’t just a fertilized egg.
?!?!?!?!Dodge and weave?!?!?!?!
What post were you reading?
I believe human life, and humanity begin at conception; not because it’s convenient, but because it’s the union of sperm and egg, male and female, to form an individual.
And, the zygote is an individual, in the etymological sense of the word; individual, the Latin equivalent to the Greek atom, indicating that it cannot be cut (atom), or divided, and still retain its character and nature.
If one cuts (splits) an atom of any element, the result no longer has the character of that particular element.
If one cuts a zygote, the result no longer has the character of that particular sperm-egg union.
That you feel that humanity does not begin at the zygote; or, as you so dismissively describe it, a “clump of tissue”, is very sad – much sadder than you seem to understand.
Regarding the law, I’m not arguing what the law is; I merely don’t depend on the law to inform me as to what is right and as to what is wrong in a moral sense.
Waiting for mockery, derision, and scorn in 5…4…3….
Careful Trollman. Rusty studied the Bible for two whole years and is an expert on what it does and does not say. Of course the rest of who live according to the Bible and the example Yahshuah set know cRusty’s studies are a bit lacking.
And that is what I said. Lines have to be drawn.
The line at conception fails. It will always fail, no matter how much you’d like to draw it there. It has always failed.
In my opinion we would have much better luck fighting the abortionists if we drew the line at the first brain activity. And fewer thinking, feeling babies would be horrifically torn apart.
However, I can see my arguments here on this subject are pointless. All of you keep up the good work fighting for responsibile and moral government.
WOW, so now it was a child because why? They grieved, buried the child?
Trollman,
Sorry for your loss. I am even more sorry there are idiots who diminish your loss with their stupid “clump of cells” talking point. Your loss was huge I know, my wife grieves the loss of her daughter to this day. She lost her first baby 30 years ago.
On-my-soap-box said:
Trust me, his Bible education is not on par with mine.
I gathered that.
Welcome; please stay; please continue to post; and, believe me, before long, you’ll learn who’s who.
Rusty
I thought your better than that. I will make it simple.
Substitute the word constitutionally for legally.
And NO because its legal does not give validity to the time of conception. Think boy
Thank you. I’ve enjoyed it so far. It’s nice to read what people think on the issues (even nicer that I can post what I think as well
). I’ve also enjoyed meeting some really nice folks around here. I’ll continue to post whenever I can.
From one guitar player to another – welcome guitarplayer. I enjoy your comments. Keep up the good work – fight the good fight.
Thanks, soap. I sincerely appreciate it. I enjoy reading your comments as well. Rock on!!
Rusty and other baby killers.
Explain to me how an arbitrary date for the declaration of human life’s beginning, can be anything other than the time of conception. Any date other than the moment of conception is a constantly changing variable by those who wish their self-absorbed stands are used and not the constitution.
RUSTY; Were you on the OJ jury?
And the legality of slavery meant, legally, that slaves were property and not human begins.
As for the Christianity supports slavery myth, the Seventh Commandment clearly prohibits slavery:
Given the basis for the Seventh Commandment is in the Bible, that argument is bunk.
Just to clear it up the slavery spoken of in the Bible in the Old Testament was based on paying off debt. The slaves then were to work to pay of their debt. Once it was paid off, the slave must be set free or be given wages for his work. The slave owner was also required to treat his slaves well. It’s nothing like the slavery that was used in America until the Civil War. I can go longer on this and provide more facts if Rusty or anyone else has questions.
On-My-Soap-Box
I’m have tried to get Rusty and other to argue the constitutionality of abortion. I’ve failed. Do you know of any other worthy opponents out their on this blog.
Obama-Biden: The Best Defense is a Good Offense
FamilyMan,
There are a few but you are wasting your breath. They cannot debate on the merits so they revert to talking points. Take Rusty’s latest argument – personhood. It changed from “viable” because it is the latest talking point. I like the argument though. I would argue that there are some liberals who have not attained “personhood” and, therefore, are subject to abortion as they live and breathe.
P.S. Call me Soap! My friends do and so do some of my opponents.
Liberals just can’t get it in their heads that Americans and babies are NOT the enemy. Liberals will rally to the cause of terrorist’s rights and go after our fighting men and woman and insult one of our greatest generals. Yet, there are people here who will vote for O’Bidet. Go figure. I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody would want to be on the side of liberals/dimocraps. Just sick really.
On September 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
Two words:
On-my-soap-box,
Marxist thought process is actively promoted on many college campuses and in much of the MSM.
“Sheeple” who accept this propaganda without critical thought vote for the Democrat[ic Socialist Communist] Party.
People who use critical thought quickly realize that Capitalism is much greater than Communism, and they vote for the Republican Party.
The “in the Bible” argument for slavery is so beyond lame. Some people (Rusty) take a situation and never use context and call it “acceptable” because it was in the Bible.
Fact: Christ never owned slaves. He came as a servant. Most servants were slaves. So, taking it to its logical conclusion using my cRusty tin hat, Christ was a slave and the Bible proves it.
cRusty uses the same tactic in reverse about abortion and homosexuality – “in the Bible” it is unclear (although it is very clear).
In both cases, it is not the Bible that made it right but the depravity of man. It was/is the depravity of man that brought on slavery and it persists to this day. It is the depravity of man that enables him to suction out a baby from its mothers womb and call it good. How much more depraved can a person be to deliver a baby breach, open up its skull and vacuum out its brain? Beyond depraved.
The Bible (if used for nothing more than a history book) would lead one to believe that the evil acts by men were not approved.
Soap,
I like:
The Soap Box!
Naturally, you do!
Mm. Another abortion thread. I agree that trying to discuss abortion from a religious standpoint is pointless with those who do not share your religion, as you cannot appeal to authority (and virtually all ‘religious standpoints’ on abortion, for or against, derive their power from authority).
Some here try to argue from a Constitutional ground. Good luck with that, but since currently the Supreme Court stands with the idea that abortion is okay, attacking on strict Constitutional grounds is a bit… dicey. You first have to make the case against judicial review, which can be done but is very time-consuming.
Personally, I have found that you can make the argument that abortion is unsound law _using_ Roe v. Wade, following an argument similar to what Dr. Kreeft uses (check his website http://www.peterkreeft.com). Alternatively, you can use logical arguments.
Logical arguments can at least lead to an exact discussion and discover where the crucial point lies. I wish I had some way of contacting chapoutier so that I could continue that discussion with him(?).
BTW, Senator Biden is going to get just as much blowback on this issue from the Magisterium as the Speaker of the House did. THe net effect is that more Catholics will vote for McCain/Palin, and less for Obama/Biden. This can only be a good thing.
Thank you Soap
Thank you Ulthwithian
Now comes the Biden Suck-up to pro-lifers…crash and burn.
Does it really take a genius to understand that when a man’s sperm and a woman’s egg meet, fertilize and conceive that the woman is going to give birth to a human baby and not to a non-human animal??
Guilty
…and yet… so many Catholics on here are pro-death penalty… and pro the Iraq war…despite the clear line the church has given on these issues… ahhh the joys of cafeteria Catholicism!
Thank God for the separation of church and state. Nobody’s personal religious views should be pressed on the populous at large.
Except yours? Go jump the pond.
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