Joe Biden, alleged Catholic, on Meet the Depressed: I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception. Apparently his pay grade is higher than Obama’s. Yet even though Biden acknowledges that human……

On September 9th, 2008 at 9:10 am, sausage said:
Thank God for the separation of church and state. Nobody’s personal religious views should be pressed on the populous at large.

Except yours? Go jump the pond.

Thank God for the separation of church and state. Nobody’s personal religious views should be pressed on the populous at large.

I like to think that I’ve established my position pretty clearly on the abortion issue — I’m “squishily” pro-choice, on a purely pragmatic basis — but I gotta say that……

Some here try to argue from a Constitutional ground. Good luck with that, but since currently the Supreme Court stands with the idea that abortion is okay, attacking on strict Constitutional grounds is a bit… dicey. You first have to make the case against judicial review, which can be done but is very time-consuming.

Personally, I have found that you can make the argument that abortion is unsound law _using_ Roe v. Wade, following an argument similar to what Dr. Kreeft uses (check his website http://www.peterkreeft.com). Alternatively, you can use logical arguments.

Logical arguments can at least lead to an exact discussion and discover where the crucial point lies. I wish I had some way of contacting chapoutier so that I could continue that discussion with him(?).

BTW, Senator Biden is going to get just as much blowback on this issue from the Magisterium as the Speaker of the House did. THe net effect is that more Catholics will vote for McCain/Palin, and less for Obama/Biden. This can only be a good thing.

The Soap Box!

P.S. Call me Soap!

Soap,

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom:
the soap box,
the ballot box,
the jury box, and
the cartridge box.”

– United States Representative Larry McDonald
MIA (and possible 25-year POW of the Cold War)

Fact: Christ never owned slaves. He came as a servant. Most servants were slaves. So, taking it to its logical conclusion using my cRusty tin hat, Christ was a slave and the Bible proves it.

cRusty uses the same tactic in reverse about abortion and homosexuality – “in the Bible” it is unclear (although it is very clear).

In both cases, it is not the Bible that made it right but the depravity of man. It was/is the depravity of man that brought on slavery and it persists to this day. It is the depravity of man that enables him to suction out a baby from its mothers womb and call it good. How much more depraved can a person be to deliver a baby breach, open up its skull and vacuum out its brain? Beyond depraved.

The Bible (if used for nothing more than a history book) would lead one to believe that the evil acts by men were not approved.