Synonyms for “community organizer”

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 9, 2008 10:17 PM

Add NY Democrat Gov. David Paterson to the list of those who don’t get why Obama’s “community organizer” days deserve ricidule, scorn, suspicion, and derision.

Paterson echoed the Obama cult’s complaint that Republicans equate “community organizer” with “black:”

On Monday, Gov. David Paterson angered some state lawmakers by comparing them to vampires, calling them a bunch of “blood suckers.” On Tuesday, he raised eyebrows again, and tempers, by accusing the John McCain campaign of veiled racism.

At the Crain’s Business Forum this morning, Paterson drew attention to a phrase used numerous times by speakers at the Republican National Convention to describe Barack Obama’s leadership experience: community organizer.

“I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama ‘black’ in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention – a ‘community organizer.’ They kept saying it, they kept laughing,” he said.

Let me help.

Synonyms for Obama-esque “community organizer:”

Thug.

Shakedown artist.

Ineffectual rabble-rouser.

Left-wing fraudsters.

They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and illegal and criminal records.

It ain’t about the black or white. It’s all about the green.

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  1. #448484
    On September 10th, 2008 at 6:42 am, St. Louis Blue said:

    On September 9th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, Mookie said:

    I think the gay conversion thing is BS. Other than that, not really.

    On September 9th, 2008 at 11:08 pm, Mookie said:

    So was Hitler…

    And Mother Teresa.

    Filling in for lgm and Rusty, Mookie?

    Community organizer:

    Ernst Julius Röhm, (Munich November 28, 1887 – July 2, 1934) was a German military officer and later the commander and co-founder of the Nazi Sturmabteilung, also known as the SA (or brownshirts).

  2. #448485
    On September 10th, 2008 at 6:43 am, conservativesRus said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 1:53 am, atheling said:

    Yup, 3.1% growth is a “downturn”.

    How do libtards eat and breathe at the same time?

    atheling – it’s very easy to have 3.1% equal a negative number. Libs do it all the time. With lgm as their math teacher it’s easy. Feeling is more important than absolutes

  3. #448497
    On September 10th, 2008 at 7:36 am, travlinman said:

    Your piece needed a wee bit of refinement to bring it into a proper historical perspective.

    On September 10th, 2008 at 6:33 am, BemusedLib said:

    Unemployment rate up .4% in a single month. Foreclosures/delinquencies at record levels. Massive bailouts for failed GSEs. Recession here. I guess conservatives really don’t know how to read after all. No need to try to discuss economics with a liberal. They cannot grasp the ambiguities of a free market and the forces at work. No one disputes that there are segments of the economy, and some citizens, which are not doing so well. There are always those who suffer misfortune. Overall, even with high fuel costs, most economic indicators have remained fairly strong.

    Your As a liberal, my grasp of history is pathetic. “The Great Society” was of course, the name of Lyndon Johnson’s domestic agenda (and Grace Slick’s first band) and the principles it contained were vehemently attacked by Southern Democrats like Al Gore, Sr. had long been abandoned Then the hideous face of the Democratic Party’s core racism was buried under mis-direction tactics by accusing the GOP of what we Dems were guilty of, and this all was well underway by 1970, the second year of the Nixon Administration. if Then in order to stir up even more favor of playing up white/conservative resentment we caused much social disorder by stirring up blacks and inciting them to riot and to holding protests by community organizers in order to screwing up Vietnam even further. This was to deflect the fact that we started the war, yet wanted to blame it on conservatives.
    In fact, if you I knew how to read at all, let alone a historical table, You’d I’d find that during the prime years of the war on poverty — figure ‘59 to ‘69 — the black poverty dropped from 55.1% to 32.2% — a 41% drop due to large infusions of money, from the GOP’s efforts to end racism and poverty, for education and aid to areas which had been ignored by Democrats before. (Note that during this same era community organizers American heroes like Medgar Evers, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, and Martin Luther King, Jr were murdered by KKK types who were basically all Democrats, while countless others were being beaten and jailed in their respective Democrat controlled areas. Conservative Democratic party contempt for community organizers for heroes and patriots has an unfortunate history).

    During the Clinton era, black unemployment rates hit their lowest levels ever and black poverty rates fell dramatically again, from 33% to 22%, due to the Contract with America and Clinton’s adoption of the GOP’s ‘welfare to work’ policy.

    So, I think what you I meant to say is that even when leadership in Washington is focused on distracted by something other than stupid wars the war on terror, and lining the pockets of the already well-off, spending upwards of 7 trillion dollars on the war on poverty, the war on poverty works has failed miserably even with the efforts of community organizers like Barack Obama. Of course it has made many friends and family members of the elected leaders in predominantly Democrat controlled urban areas where the bulk of the money has gone for over 40 years, very wealthy. Those newly wealthy community organizers are now able to contribute large sums to their Democratic candidates to keep the cycle going..

    You were Once again, I was just momentarily blinded by your my own utter ignorance of the facts.

  4. #448500
    On September 10th, 2008 at 7:41 am, navywife91 said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 7:36 am, travlinman

    I can’t wait to see the response! :smile:

  5. #448503
    On September 10th, 2008 at 7:52 am, guitarplayer said:

    I remember during the 2006 election, George Allen (a republican running for the senate in Virgina) said something stupid and the libs hounded him for it. It was in the news for weeks and he lost the election as a result of it. It’s funny how when Obama says something stupid, the libs are now saying this is not a big deal and just a distraction from the issues. Did you say the same about Allen two years ago?

  6. #448514
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:10 am, guitarplayer said:

    Dang it. I posted #101 on the wrong thread. Sorry folks. Still early and brain isn’t fully up yet.

  7. #448517
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:12 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 7:36 am, travlinman said:

    Your piece needed a wee bit of refinement to bring it into a proper historical perspective

    It is fortunate that history cannot be rewritten as easily as my post.

    A couple of things:

    Yes, many of the opponents of civil righte were registered Democrats. It is these democrats that Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan successfully targeted in their efforts to build a new majority, thus making southern racists a core constituency of the Republican Party (NOT CALLING ALL REPUBLICANS RACIST, THANK YOU). You can have them.

    The war on poverty was led by Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, as was the fight for civil rights. Republicans can rightly claim that — before they embraced their historically repulsive “southern strategy” and became the party Of Jesse Helms — significant credit. But it was the Democrats who led the fight and who were subsequently “punished” for being right.

    you are right, the murdered civil rights workers were “American heroes.” They were also community organizers, and trying to artificially draw a distinction between the two is intellectually dishonest. (By the standards of this discussion, anyone who ever gave a speech in public is apparently a community organizer, but I won’t hold you to the low standards set by others).

    The Contract with America, as you might know had you read it, had little to do with economic issues, and key portions, like the lIne item veto, the balanced budget amendment and the supermajority to raise taxes were never passed.

    Welfare reform was a key element of the Clinton platform from the moment his candidacy was declared and he closed down the government, as you may recall, to ensure that the final bill more closely resembled his vision than Newt’s. He also raised the EITC, which was a significant factor in the fall in poverty, and pursued fiscal policies which brought down the deficit and lowered the cost of capital, helping to fuel the longest expansion in American economic history.

    The truth is, there has never been a significant decline in black poverty under a Republican president. Because poor people are not their priority.

    It wasn’t long ago that people here were sneering at Obama’s modest wealth — I guess that community organizing isn’t the path to riches you claim. On the other hand, being a crony of the Bush Administration, a shareholder in Halliburton, or an oil industry executive is a pretty lucrative position.

    During two eras in which Democrats agressively pursued the war on poverty (sometimes with Republican help) poverty rates fell by 40% and by 33%. I guess the War on Poverty is just one more war the Republicans bungled.

  8. #448519
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:15 am, jbh45 said:

    oh how about these equations:

    Saul Alinsky = Community Organizer
    Barak Obama = Community Organizer
    Barak Obama = Saul Alinsky

    William Ayers = UofC Professor
    Barak Obama = UofC part time speaker
    Barak Obama = William Ayers

    National Hlth Care = Socialism
    Barak Obama = National Hlth Care
    Barak Obama = Socialist

  9. #448521
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:16 am, jegjr said:

    RACIST?!?!? That’s a stretch too far for most brains. Man, the whole “community organizer” thing started when the Obama camp criticized/ridiculed Palin’s credentials as mayor of Wassila and governor of Alaska. Palin responded back with her zinger at the acceptance speech – and the Dems are whining for weeks. I guess the truth hurts. Hey Obama, remember who started this right out of the gate – YOU DID!

  10. #448533
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am, NY Andy said:

    It appears David Paterson’s move away from his liberal democrat roots is on hiatus.

    Lately he has been doing great things here by recognizing economic reality and cutting the budget without regard to the incessant whining and background maneuvering of the unions and other liberal interest groups.

    His demand of a special budget cutting session of the legislature was derided by the democrat assembly leader as a stunt but succeeded in cutting half a billion.

    He has ordered across the board % cuts in this and next years budget, even going so far as to say that next year’s budget may be lower than this year’s in actual dollars.

    Just this week, I was elated to see him compare the legislature to vampires who say good things to their constituents during the day then return to their bloodsucking ways at night when out of public view. The legislature went nuts over that one! As they say, the truth hurts.

    It’s a shame that the grasp of economics and the intestinal fortitude of our accidental governor doesn’t come in a more conservative body.

  11. #448534
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am, FamilyMan said:

    Bemused
    What has the 40 years of “war on poverty” gain for those of lower income?
    Answer; Very little income increase of the lower 20%
    Answer; A fractured social condition that encourages dependance.
    Answer; A near perpetual underclass.
    Answer; A collapsed educational system.
    Answer; A bastardization of the US constitution
    Listen sport. I was born poor. I don’t want to hear any of sociology 101 regurgitation’s.
    What you need to know and practice are the values of self reliance.

  12. #448546
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:52 am, guitarplayer said:

    The truth is, there has never been a significant decline in black poverty under a Republican president. Because poor people are not their priority.

    There hasn’t been a significant decline in poverty uner any president.

    We have poured billions(trillions?) into the war on poverty and very little has changed. The government can only do so much. It’s up to individuals themselves to decide they want a better life.

    I give my parents as an example again. They came to US with about $10 in their pocket and not knowing the language. They never once took a government handout. They worked and worked hard. They now own their homes, cars and were able to make sure I finished without debt coming out of college. This is all without the help of the government. People who are born here are already ahead of where my parents started when they arrived here.

  13. #448551
    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:56 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am, FamilyMan said:

    Bemused
    What has the 40 years of “war on poverty” gain for those of lower income?
    Answer; Very little income increase of the lower 20%
    Answer; A fractured social condition that encourages dependance.
    Answer; A near perpetual underclass.
    Answer; A collapsed educational system.
    Answer; A bastardization of the US constitution
    Listen sport. I was born poor. I don’t want to hear any of sociology 101 regurgitation’s.
    What you need to know and practice are the values of self reliance.

    It has, as the statistics show, reduced the number of people who live in poverty by 60%.

    Yes, the remaining underclass are a tough nut to crack, and traditional approaches aren’t working, which is why a new generation is looking at different approaches, that encourage self-reliance.

    I don’t know why you bring up the bottom 20%, they are not a conservative concern.

    And what bastardization of the Constitution are you talking about?

    I am unimpressed with your impoverished roots. People from every economic class can be wrong. And, in addition, you seem to be pretty bitter, too. How many guns do you own?

  14. #448553
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:00 am, FamilyMan said:

    Bemused
    Using the standards of today, I lived in a poverty condition.
    This country offers the opportunity to reach any financial level you my wish to obtain. I accomplished all that I have thru hard work and self reliance. No excuses. No begging for help. No community organizer to show me the way. It was liberals like you that slowed my progress and it’s liberals like you that are getting in the of my daughters progress. It is liberals like you who are destroying this country under the guise of social justice. What I don’t understand is your great need to make excuses for those who haven’t achieved.
    AND WHY LIBERALS LIKE YOU WANT ME TO PAY RETRIBUTIONS TO A CONDITION I NEVER CREATED.

  15. #448555
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:03 am, conservativesRus said:

    I don’t know why you bring up the bottom 20%, they are not a conservative concern.

    Project much?

    Maybe they are a concern and you are too blind to know it.

    Does it ever occur to you that conservatives are very concerned with social situations. In fact our concern leads us to the ONLY proven long term solution. TEACHING to FISH instead of the liberal “let’s give them more fish”.

  16. #448558
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am, conservativesRus said:

    Let me be even more clear – I’m so concerned about poverty that I believe we need to send exactly zero government money to anybody for anything (slight overstatement here for the purpose of emphasis). Hunger is a wonderful motivator. “Tough love” is comprised of two words – Tough and love. Tough because some will in fact get hungry. Love because in fact at the other end of the process, all will be self sufficient.

  17. #448566
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    The truth is, there has never been a significant decline in black poverty under a Republican president. Because poor people are not their priority.

    What is this fixation you have with “black poverty?” Poverty does not discriminate which I am sure you are aware but you simply choose to make this a black vs. white issue. And since you love to tout the Democrats love affair for helping those that are less fortunate. Please explain why Obama, the great community organizer’s half-brother is living in a hut, making $12 per yr? In addition, please explain why Obama has reneged on his promise to financially assist the Senator Obama Kogelo School in Africa?

    Is he hurting for cash?

    Hopefully, I can provide some assistance in the future to this school and all that it can be,” Obama said. Looking directly at the school’s principal, Yuanita Obiero, and her teachers, he added, “I know you are working very hard and struggling to bring up this school, but I have said I will assist the school, and I will do so.”

    So, please spare us the holier-than-thou crap about democrats caring so much for those in need when all they really care about is what is most politically expedient; which translates to whatever keeps in them in office.

    During two eras in which Democrats agressively pursued the war on poverty (sometimes with Republican help) poverty rates fell by 40% and by 33%. I guess the War on Poverty is just one more war the Republicans bungled.

    BL, made a funny. Republicans donate their own money and time to causes. Democrats idea of giving means higher taxes. Get a grip.

  18. #448567
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:00 am, FamilyMan said:

    Bemused
    Using the standards of today, I lived in a poverty condition.
    This country offers the opportunity to reach any financial level you my wish to obtain. I accomplished all that I have thru hard work and self reliance. No excuses. No begging for help. No community organizer to show me the way. It was liberals like you that slowed my progress and it’s liberals like you that are getting in the of my daughters progress. It is liberals like you who are destroying this country under the guise of social justice. What I don’t understand is your great need to make excuses for those who haven’t achieved.
    AND WHY LIBERALS LIKE YOU WANT ME TO PAY RETRIBUTIONS TO A CONDITION I NEVER CREATED.

    My, you are bitter. And a victim, too, of the great liberal conspiracy.

    Odd to think that since we began this fight for social justice — a bipartisan one, as you pointed out — we beat the Great Depression, won the cold war, and emerged as the greatest military and economic power in the history of the world.

    Yeah, we really ruined it.

  19. #448571
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:16 am, FilmLadd said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:12 am, BemusedLib said:

    The truth is, there has never been a significant decline in black poverty under a Republican president. Because poor people are not their priority.

    Why is it the State’s job to fight perceived social ills (Poverty, Racism, Unbalanced Media, Bad Economy, Carbon)?

    Answer: it isn’t. A free and just State has only four morally acceptable jobs: 1) Protect its citizens from physical harm; 2) Protect its citizen’s private property; 3) Enforce legally binding contracts between free people; 4) Protect its territory.

    Why do collectivists act as if it is fait accompli that these other “jobs” belong to the State?

    Answer: Because they hate freedom, and want to help make the State more powerful.

    Because they are slavemasters, and Bemusedlib thinks slavery, if shaped by supposedly benevolent goals (poverty! racism! hate-speech! Whatever!) is not only desired, but ultimately lusted for.

  20. #448573
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am, FilmLadd said:

    Forgot the fifth job: 5) Protect the freedom of its citizens.

  21. #448575
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am, guitarplayer said:

    Odd to think that since we began this fight for social justice — a bipartisan one, as you pointed out — we beat the Great Depression, won the cold war, and emerged as the greatest military and economic power in the history of the world.

    Yeah, but winning the Cold War was done by Reagan, Thatcher, and Bush Sr. As I remember all their moves were resisted tooth and nail by liberals.

    We do have the greatest military, but no thanks to Clinton or Carter. They made some serious (even dangerous) cuts to our forces. Obama has pledged to the same. Or has he changed his tune on that one?

  22. #448578
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:20 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Ok… Here’s synonym for Gov. David Patterson…

    RACE BAITER

    Patterson you idiot… this has noting to do with black or white… it has to do with someone making a living off the public dole not for the public good, but to enrich themselves and their pals.

  23. #448579
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:21 am, FamilyMan said:

    BENUSED
    I started a business with $200 in my pocket. I grew it and added well paid employees. If you use the standard economic money multiplier rules of 5 to 1 ratio, I have added 40 million dollars to the economy. Now that is social engineering. I am not complaining nor do I feel bitter. I am saddened that my 35 years of 80 hour work weeks can now be used to take 70% of that work in taxes. What have those taxes accomplished, but to morally weaken and promote a self centered culture.

  24. #448581
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am, BemusedLib said:

    n September 10th, 2008 at 12:34 am, FamilyMan said:

    BemusedLib
    In 1970 when the “great society’” was just beginning, one third of the black population was designated middle class. After 40 years the ratio has not changed.

    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    The truth is, there has never been a significant decline in black poverty under a Republican president. Because poor people are not their priority.

    What is this fixation you have with “black poverty?” Poverty does not discriminate which I am sure you are aware but you simply choose to make this a black vs. white issue. And since you love to tout the Democrats love affair for helping those that are less fortunate. Please explain why Obama, the great community organizer’s half-brother is living in a hut, making $12 per yr? In addition, please explain why Obama has reneged on his promise to financially assist the Senator Obama Kogelo School in Africa?

    Is he hurting for cash?

    I didn’t bring it up. FamilyMan did.
    ‘In 1970 when the “great society’” was just beginning, one third of the black population was designated middle class. After 40 years the ratio has not changed.’

    But, if you look at the chart (here) instead of running your mouth, you’ll find that overall poverty dropped dramatically in the Great Society era, climbed slightly between NIxon and Clinton, and then fell significantly during Clinton’s eight years in office.

    During two eras in which Democrats agressively pursued the war on poverty (sometimes with Republican help) poverty rates fell by 40% and by 33%. I guess the War on Poverty is just one more war the Republicans bungled.

    BL, made a funny. Republicans donate their own money and time to causes. Democrats idea of giving means higher taxes. Get a grip.

    Liberals solve problems and change society for the better — and often givew their own money and time for causes, as well. Republicans whine.

  25. #448583
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:26 am, HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:12 am, BemusedLib said:
    The truth is, there has never been a significant decline in black poverty under a Republican president. Because poor people are not their priority.

    The same can be said about any Democratic president or Democrat controlled Congress. Because poor people are not the Democrats’ priority either. Simply their vehicle.

    The fact is that the Constitution does not give the federal government the authority to be in the charity business. That would include welfare, socialized healthcare, and even taxpayer funding of groups of “community organizers”.

  26. #448585
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:26 am, guitarplayer said:

    Liberals solve problems and change society for the better

    Examples please.

  27. #448593
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am, FilmLadd said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am, BemusedLib said:

    My, you are bitter.

    Do not confuse bitterness with righteous anger. It is a justified anger that may one day be forced to use force of arms to destroy collectivism and its proponents.

    Note that bemusedlib only argues those points it thinks it can “score” against, and ignores those that get back to basics, for instance, that bemusedlib is a slavemaster (or the shill for slavemasters).

    It acts as if all citizens are property to the State – as if the citizens were plants in its garden. It belches snotty indignation that one group or another has not been “watered” enough on its expansive plantation.

    How dare the State neglect the daffodils over the lillies?

  28. #448596
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    I didn’t bring it up. FamilyMan did.

    Okay, what of the questions I posed? Simply overlook them and move on to your talking points. Sad. So very sad.

    Liberals solve problems and change society for the better — and often givew their own money and time for causes, as well. Republicans whine.

    I guess I’m supposed to emote now? Republicans create jobs and show individuals how to lift themselves out of poverty by working for a living. Liberals create welfare which keeps these people they supposedly want to help in poverty. I didn’t start this game. You did.

  29. #448606
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am, conservativesRus said:

    Film #115 – it’s kinda amazing – there were these old white guys who thought those were the proper goals of government – and they wrote this little document to encapsulate those thoughts. It’s rather amazing how the conservatives have to fight so hard to preserve that document in spite of it having been the basis for the greatest country on earth.
    Libs just don’t get it.

  30. #448618
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am, conservativesRus said:

    lest my #125 be mis-understood – the fact the they were “white” does not minimize or add to the strength of the document (s)they wrote.

  31. #448619
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am, sonofdy said:

    What is the DNC’s obsession with being the black victim? Get over yourselves.

  32. #448651
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am, FilmLadd said:

    It’s rather amazing how the conservatives have to fight so hard to preserve that document in spite of it having been the basis for the greatest country on earth.

    As history progresses, the collective evolves ever more powerful psychological means to enslave free men and women.

    I would like the slavemaster BemusedLib to refute this:

    Posit: BemusedLib is a community organizer.

    Posit: BemusedLib receives a salary paid in whole or in part from the State.

    Posit: The State confiscates that money from its Citizens against their free will, in effect making them slaves to the State.

    Posit: I am one of those citizens that the State confiscated that money from.

    Posit: BemusedLib is my slavemaster.

    Posit: Slaves have the moral and legal authority to escape slavery and regain their freedom using whatever means at their disposal.

  33. #448652
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am, misterbee241 said:

    Paterson echoed the Obama cult’s complaint that Republicans equate “community organizer” with “black:”

    No… I equate “community organizer” with rabble rousing commie socialist. I dont care about skin color.

  34. #448654
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am, FamilyMan said:

    BEMUSED
    HOW CAN YOU CONSTITUTIONALLY OR MORALLY TAKE 70% OF MY HARD WORK. YOU DIDN’T MAKE IT HAPPEN.
    I DID.

  35. #448659
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:54 am, Mister P said:

    What has the 40 years of “war on poverty” gain for those of lower income?

    60% drop out rate. Most children still born to a single parent. Higher abortion rate than birth rate. Generations of entitlements to perpetuate the poverty.

    Lets face it. It does no good for Democrats to improve the economy. It only turns people into Republicans. They must establish entitlements until eventually they bankrupt the country.

  36. #448660
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:21 am, FamilyMan said:

    BENUSED
    I started a business with $200 in my pocket. I grew it and added well paid employees. If you use the standard economic money multiplier rules of 5 to 1 ratio, I have added 40 million dollars to the economy. Now that is social engineering. I am not complaining nor do I feel bitter. I am saddened that my 35 years of 80 hour work weeks can now be used to take 70% of that work in taxes. What have those taxes accomplished, but to morally weaken and promote a self centered culture.

    No wonder you’re bitter, your buddies the Republicans took over government and they cut taxes for multinational corporations and the overpaid executives who run them; they cut taxes for the children of billionaires; they cut taxes for stock speculators and fund managers. But then they forgot about forgot about small businesses.

    How

    un

    exactly like the Republican Party.

    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:16 am, FilmLadd said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 8:12 am, BemusedLib said:

    Why is it the State’s job to fight perceived social ills (Poverty, Racism, Unbalanced Media, Bad Economy, Carbon)?

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union [economy], establish Justice [racism], insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare [poverty, carbon], and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

  37. #448669
    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:58 am, FamilyMan said:

    FilmLadd ;
    Slaves have the moral and legal authority to escape slavery and regain their freedom using whatever means at their disposal.

    I prefer to use the ballot box, but I won’t get in your way!

  38. #448676
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am, FamilyMan said:

    BEMUSED
    Were did you learn economics?
    GEEEEESS

  39. #448688
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am, FamilyMan said:

    BEMUSED
    I see the problem. You really don’t understand the U.S. Constitution.

  40. #448689
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am, FilmLadd said:

    If I may have everyone’s attention and cooperation, please ignore bemusedlib until it demonstrates to my satisfaction why it has the moral and legal authority to enslave me – and you.

    Anytime it responds to you, simply tell it to respond to me re: post #128, or else ignore it.

    A committed slavemaster – even one that merely uses psychology to enslave – does not deserve to be recognized as a sentient being.

  41. #448693
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am, guitarplayer said:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union [economy], establish Justice [racism], insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare [poverty, carbon], and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Wow! I have to go with FamilyMan on this one. There is a huge difference on how we read the Constitution.

  42. #448696
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am, conservativesRus said:

    Lib – you are rather short sighted here. You claim gov’t cut taxes on “the rich” but forgot about small business. I dare you to go get a real tax form and fill it out and show me how those EARNING what you perceive to be rich amounts, wind up paying a lower tax rate than those that you claim are the middle class or poor.
    When I was in “big corporate business” – I made good money – I paid big taxes.
    Now that I’m a “small business person” – I still make pretty good money (for only working double the hours with double the headaches) and I still pay big taxes.
    I suppose you think that’s fair.

  43. #448712
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am, FilmLadd said:

    It’s rather amazing how the conservatives have to fight so hard to preserve that document in spite of it having been the basis for the greatest country on earth.

    As history progresses, the collective evolves ever more powerful psychological means to enslave free men and women.

    I would like the slavemaster BemusedLib to refute this:

    Posit: BemusedLib is a community organizer.

    Incorrect.

    Posit: BemusedLib receives a salary paid in whole or in part from the State.

    Incorrect.

    Posit: The State confiscates that money from its Citizens against their free will, in effect making them slaves to the State.

    The state collects taxes, as authorized by statute and Constitution. The population as a whole determines — generally — the rate of taxation by electing representatives who create programs that the majority want, and collecting taxes to pay for them. This is “democracy.”

    Posit: I am one of those citizens that the State confiscated that money from.

    Legal taxation is not confiscation, no matter how much you pretend. I assume your films are fantasies, just like you politics.

    Posit: BemusedLib is my slavemaster.

    Then paint my living room.

    Posit: Slaves have the moral and legal authority to escape slavery and regain their freedom using whatever means at their disposal.

    Correct. However, since you have never proved yourself a slave, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  44. #448719
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:15 am, FamilyMan said:

    conservativesRus said:I suppose you think that’s fair.

    Thank you .
    If I calculate my hours and divide it by the standard 40 hour work week I’m paying proportional evan higher taxes per hour.
    Bemused will never understand.

  45. #448727
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am, conservativesRus said:

    FamilyMan – I really do dare Lib to go get a tax form and show us.
    I’ve challenged several through the years and either a) they are afraid to do it or b)they admitted the argument about the “rich” was bull.
    Great dem talking point though.

  46. #448728
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am, FilmLadd said:

    Bemusedlib,

    Okay, let’s do another round then:

    1. Bemusedlib believes that the State can confiscate money for any purpose, for any reason, and as much as it wants, so long as its “society” believes it is for a good cause.

    2. Bemusedlib believes that money is not a conduit by which the time and labor of a person is measured.

    3. Bemusedlib does not recognize that when the State confiscates money from a citizen, the citizen is working for the State for as long as is necessary to generate that money.

    4. Bemusedlib does not recognize that forced, unpaid labor is slavery.

    5. Bemusedlib does not recognize that by aiding and abetting the State in its confiscation of money from citizens, it is no better than a slavemaster.

  47. #448735
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am, conservativesRus said:

    Lib – you are rather short sighted here. You claim gov’t cut taxes on “the rich” but forgot about small business. I dare you to go get a real tax form and fill it out and show me how those EARNING what you perceive to be rich amounts, wind up paying a lower tax rate than those that you claim are the middle class or poor.
    When I was in “big corporate business” – I made good money – I paid big taxes.
    Now that I’m a “small business person” – I still make pretty good money (for only working double the hours with double the headaches) and I still pay big taxes.
    I suppose you think that’s fair.

    If I can step outside of the partisan brawling for a moment, let me offer my respect for one who has built a small business and sympathies regarding your tax challenges. I have a close friend who built a small business himself, and his taxes are ludicrous. He enjoys neither the advantages of of a large corporation or those of an individual, and feels that — in the Bush tax-cutting frenzy — he has been ignored.

    Fair taxes are whatever taxes are needed to pay the bills, levied at the same rate for all income.

  48. #448748
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:25 am, BemusedLib said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am, FilmLadd said:

    Bemusedlib,

    Okay, let’s do another round then:

    1. Bemusedlib believes that the State can confiscate money for any purpose, for any reason, and as much as it wants, so long as its “society” believes it is for a good cause.

    You’re playing word games. And, whatever you call it, it’s the opinion of all three branches of government that it is a legal.

    2. Bemusedlib believes that money is not a conduit by which the time and labor of a person is measured.

    You are wrong.

    3. Bemusedlib does not recognize that when the State confiscates money from a citizen, the citizen is working for the State for as long as is necessary to generate that money.

    This is a rhetorical posture, not a legal or economic point.

    4. Bemusedlib does not recognize that forced, unpaid labor is slavery.

    You are whining.

    5. Bemusedlib does not recognize that by aiding and abetting the State in its confiscation of money from citizens, it is no better than a slavemaster.

    You wish the benefits of a free, functioning society without paying the costs. You are a welfare queen.

  49. #448757
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:27 am, FamilyMan said:

    BEMUSED
    Answer one simple question.
    Who makes the money. Government or private enterprise?

  50. #448765
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am, FamilyMan said:

    BemusedLib
    levied at the same rate for all income.

    There is hope for you.

  51. #448775
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:34 am, FilmLadd said:

    This is a rhetorical posture, not a legal or economic point.

    And your responses were NOT refutations. I wasn’t arguing from a legal or economic point and you know it.

    It is a point about freedom.

    Your arguments – such as they are – indicates to me that you value freedom far less than your psychological need to dominate and enslave others through the State to serve what you think is “good.”

  52. #448777
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:35 am, conservativesRus said:

    He enjoys neither the advantages of of a large corporation or those of an individual, and feels that — in the Bush tax-cutting frenzy — he has been ignored.

    There is an important word in that sentence – feels. This has nothing to do with feelings.
    All corporate taxation is double taxation (ie – the company pays taxes on profit and then “pays” the shareholders who again pay taxes on it). So, I don’t buy your “Bush tax cutting frenzy” statement.

  53. #448778
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:35 am, FilmLadd said:

    And now I must go work for the State and for the causes that BemusedLib holds so dearly.

  54. #448787
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:38 am, FilmLadd said:

    Oops, forgot one thing:

    4. Bemusedlib does not recognize that forced, unpaid labor is slavery.

    You are whining.

    Translation: “Shut up, slave, and get back to work! Quit your whining! You get bread and board! I treat you good!”

  55. #448890
    On September 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am, kmasitti said:

    I feel so stupid. I didn’t know that community organizer was Repubilcan “Code” for black. Maybe I am really a Democrat and I wasn’t aware of that either. Are there other code words I don’t know?? Why was I left out??

  56. #448895
    On September 10th, 2008 at 11:20 am, kmasitti said:

    Oh yeah, and “they” kept laughing. I’m still laughing!

  57. #448899
    On September 10th, 2008 at 11:23 am, NY Andy said:

    kmassitti,

    A few more for you:

    Rich – anyone who makes a dollar more than you

    Contributions – taxes

    Choice – killing babies

  58. #448946
    On September 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am, Southpaw said:

    Synonyms for “community organizers”?

    -BS artists
    -Shakedown artists
    -Con artists

    Doesn’t matter if you’re black, white or pink.

  59. #448985
    On September 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah I though you were going to say “communist sympathizer” errah?

  60. #448994
    On September 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am, RogerCfromSD said:

    Community Organizer: Social Worker

    Community Organizer in Chicago: Militant Democrat Operative

  61. #449005
    On September 10th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, aren’t these all anagrams??!!

  62. #449064
    On September 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm, thewariscoming said:

    Community organizer? I always preferred rabble rouser or antagonizer myself.

  63. #449100
    On September 10th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, sonofdy said:

    I wasn’t aware that Community organizers were all black? Is that is the job description or something?

  64. #449154
    On September 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, Jim M. said:

    “One of Obama’s early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:

    “He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.”

    The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.”

    “In these methods, euphemistically labeled “community organizing,” Obama had a four-year education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere.”

  65. #449170
    On September 10th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, Wildcatter1980 said:

    Corruption, thy name is “community organizer.”

  66. #450286
    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:57 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On September 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am, BemusedLib said:

    (snip)1
    Fair taxes are whatever taxes are needed to pay the bills, levied at the same rate for all income.

    Now that is something I can agree with you about. Dick Armey’s Flat Tax proposal would have done exactly that, but it was shot down. Both Democrats and Republicans have too much at stake in the “progressive” and punitive tax system, which is unfair, burdensome, indecipherable and essentially corrupt in the sense that particular tax payers are selectively given tax breaks.

    I have to take issue with the following statement though:

    Liberals solve problems and change society for the better — and often givew their own money and time for causes, as well. Republicans whine.

    What defines “better” and “whining” notwithstanding, the charitable donations of some prominent Democrats has been meager until they consider running for office

    See the following:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0704250022apr25,0,3205433.story

    and

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/politics/26taxes.html?ref=politics

    It appears that Democrats are more inclined to donate my money than theirs. This pattern has been associated with red states and blue states, with citizens of red states giving significantly more charitable donations as a percentage of their income than those in blue states.

  67. #450475
    On September 11th, 2008 at 7:33 am, dtestard said:

    Jesus was a “community organizer”, and “community organizer” is a code word for black…. (link to Not Your Sweetie):

    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/race-card-is-here-again-you-wont-believe-what-else-is-black/#comment-2815

  68. #459709
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:50 am, RogerCfromSD said:

    Bemused Lib seems to suffer from success envy.

    Someone on a thread on a forum somewhere snidely said, “So much for Compassionate Conservatism” in an attempt to insult against us.

    Well, see, that’s an ironic problem for liberals. Because there is absolutely no way in hell that a liberal can claim to embody the word compassionate as long as s/he supports the murder of infants in the womb.

    NOT POSSIBLE.

    So, until they stop supporting and excusing infanticide, they discredit themselves from being able to claim to be compassionate.

  69. #607920
    On January 30th, 2009 at 10:56 pm, torabora said:

    Community Organizers?

    Erich Roehm?
    Adolf Hitler?
    Fredrich Engels?
    Vladimir Lenin?
    Chow en Lai?
    Mao Tse Dung?
    Idi Amin?
    Pol Pot…my personal favorite

    but I’m also quite fond of the vast cast of characters present in that great French community based organizational orgy we call The Terror. One of it’s inventors, Robespierre, ultimately falls to his own device in delicious irony. We conservatives guffaw about that hundreds of years later.

    Our present leader, duh1, makes the Shrub look almost intelligent. This guy is one dumbazz.

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