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1. #101
   On September 11th, 2008 at 11:32 am, navywife91 said:

   Running an ad saying Obama wants to teach sex in kindergarten, that’s dishonorable.

   I don’t know if you watch H&C, but Hannity read the actual bill that Obama supported and it did address masturbation and homosexuality. Parents were allowed to opt out, but Obama claims he only wanted to teach children about child predators. That’s great, but what does that have to do with touching yourself?

   If anyone has a link to the actual bill, I’d appreciate it. I haven’t heard the Obama campaign deny the content Hannity read, but their excuse is that it never actually passed, so it’s ok.

2. #102
   On September 11th, 2008 at 11:34 am, Salt said:

   lgm’s “dishonorable” example:

   Running an ad saying Obama wants to teach sex in kindergarten, that’s dishonorable.

   Yet…

   Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday [July 2007] that sex education for kindergartners, as long as it is “age-appropriate,” is “the right thing to do.”

   “I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me,” Obama said in reference to the conservative firebrand who ran against him for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Sex education for kindergarteners had become an issue in his race against Keyes because of Obama’s work on the issue as chairman of the health committee in the Illinois state Senate.

   “‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,’” said Obama mimicking Keyes’ distinctive style of speech. “Which — I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter).”

   “But it’s the right thing to do,” Obama continued, “to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools.”

   When Obama’s campaign was asked by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers “age appropriate” for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald in which Obama had “moved to clarify” in his Senate campaign that he “does not support teaching explicit sex education to children in kindergarten. . . The legislation in question was a state Senate measure last year that aimed to update Illinois’ sex education standards with ‘medically accurate’ information . . . ‘Nobody’s suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,’ Obama said. ‘If they ask a teacher ‘where do babies come from,’ that providing information that the fact is that it’s not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that’s going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.’”

   …

   In addition to local schools informing kindergarteners that babies do not come from the stork, the state legislation Obama supported in Illinois, which contained an “opt out” provision for parents, also envisioned teaching kindergarteners about “inappropriate touching,” according to Obama’s presidential campaign. Despite Obama’s support, the legislation was not enacted.

   So, when Barack tells Planned Parenthood that it’s the right thing to do, it’s honorable.

   When conservatives point out that he said it, it’s dishonorable.

   Illinois is a rather deep blue state despite some counties that are strongly red (we don’t count dead voters outside of Cook County ), yet Obama could not get this legislation passed. That’s meaningful, don’t you think?

3. #103
   On September 11th, 2008 at 11:39 am, navywife91 said:

   Speaking of health care (an actual issue), did you know McCain’s plan calls for people to pay tax on employer supplied health care. That’s how most people with health insurance get it. In other words, McCain’s health care plan is huge tax hike on the middle class

   Did you actually go to McCain’s site and check his plan? No, you just repeat what Joe Biden said.

   John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage. While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit – effectively cash – of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts.

4. #104
   On September 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am, Regulus said:

   Curious, when Hopenchange makes a shrill, desperate-sounding, methinks-he-doth-protest-too-much appeal to his “love of country,” where are all the libs who’d ordinarily respond in Pavlovian fashion about “patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel?”

   Oh, that’s right, he’s their scoundrel. So it’s different in this case. Yeah, right.

5. #105
   On September 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

   On September 11th, 2008 at 8:22 am, lgm said: Back to the issues: Bush announced his willingness to send troops to Pakistan in pursuit of Al Qaeda. That’s what Obama said he should do and what McCain refused to do.

   So, I guess that means OBAMA is in the tank for Pres. Bush, not McCain. Do we really want four more years of the Bush administration?

6. #106
   On September 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, Yashmak said:

   Good point, happyscrapper.

7. #107
   On September 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Then what’s he doing running to Letterman to carp about what They said?

   Mommy, mommy they’re talking about Palin and not me…

8. #108
   On September 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, rambler said:

   I’m still waiting for Obama to say “God bless America”. He can’t. So in my book, he’s not a patriot who loves his country until he walks the walk. When he doesn’t get elected, how much will he love his country then?

9. #109
   On September 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Did you actually go to McCain’s site and check his plan? No, you just repeat what Joe Biden said.

   And who knows where Biden got it…

   It’s a great idea, health insurance that you get to pick so it fits your families needs – rather than whatever the government deigns to give you. Oh I know, the left doesn’t want choice, they like their government making decisions for them…

10. #110
    On September 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, lgm said:

    navywife91 (#103):

    Did you actually go to McCain’s site and check his plan?

    I heard McCain say it. Does McCain’s web site say something different?

11. #111
    On September 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, navywife91 said:

    I heard McCain say it. Does McCain’s web site say something different?

    It’s posted above.

12. #112
    On September 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, navywife91 said:

    ok, I just have to say I love the way Rush is playing the cymbals “ba dum dum”, you know to symbolize a joke, everytime he plays a Biden clip or Obama clip.

    It’s killin’ ‘em!
    Ha, ha, ha!

13. #113
    On September 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, lgm said:

    navywife91 (#111)

    I guess this is from the McCain web site:

    John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage.

    What “reform” of the tax code is he talking about. Is it the reform that makes employer provided health care taxable?

14. #114
    On September 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, navywife91 said:

    What “reform” of the tax code is he talking about. Is it the reform that makes employer provided health care taxable?

    I can at least be honest and say “I’m no expert”, but you said you heard him say it. I never did, but if you happen to find a link to that statement, I’d appreciate it. McCain is not perfect and most of us here aren’t his biggest cheerleaders.

15. #115
    On September 11th, 2008 at 4:45 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked?
    “I don’t want to discount the possibility,” he said.

    Printed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001

16. #116
    On September 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, uhangtight said:

    John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage.

    John McCain wants to provide individuals the opportunity for ‘choice’ when it comes to health care. He wants to offer more choices, that means that he will most likely proivde a tax ‘credit’ to those who prefer to opt out of the employer provided and ‘purchase’ their own.

    As we know, conservatives truly believe in freedom of choice, whereas the liberals believe in no choice but government choice. Government decides that you should have this type of health care and that is it nothing more and nothing less.

    Thanks but no thanks I prefer freedom and would prefer to opt out of anything forced on anyone for my benefit, because I do not like to be a party to extortion. Thank-you very much…