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1. #101
   On September 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

   Obama’s donning the cloak of blackness again, huh? Did he ever take it off?

   Identity politics. Sad, sad state of affairs.

2. #102
   On September 15th, 2008 at 4:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Vote for me because I’m black! And special – did I mention I’m special?

3. #103
   On September 15th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, bluesoc said:

   What Obama is doing with this plea is no different than the KKK telling white folks to favor someone because the person is white.

   The KKK would promote a white person because they think white people are superior to other races. Have you ever heard Obama or Biden say anything that could be interpreted as “vote for me because black people are better”? I’m gonna assume no because it is utterly ridiculous, along the lines of comparing Obama/Biden to the KKK.

   Being conscious of race does not make one racist.

4. #104
   On September 15th, 2008 at 5:22 pm, Fineous Reese said:

   bluesoc said

   Being conscious of race does not make one racist.

   but voting based on race does.

5. #105
   On September 15th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, Dimsdale said:

   On September 15th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, bluesoc said:

   What Obama is doing with this plea is no different than the KKK telling white folks to favor someone because the person is white.

   The KKK would promote a white person because they think white people are superior to other races. Have you ever heard Obama or Biden say anything that could be interpreted as “vote for me because black people are better”? I’m gonna assume no because it is utterly ridiculous, along the lines of comparing Obama/Biden to the KKK.

   Being conscious of race does not make one racist.

   Perhaps you might like to recall the following:

   I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

   The content of Obama’s character is mighty shallow. Statements by Biden and media outlets tacitly acknowledge that the support for Obama is due to his race.

   They didn’t leave us anything else from which to draw a different conclusion.

6. #106
   On September 15th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, bluesoc said:

   but voting based on race does.

   Racism is a buzzword that has many meanings to many people. It’s tough to argue whether something is racist when we’re talking about two different things. I think it’s pretty clear that not everyone here has the same conception of racism. However, here goes a response.

   Just as voting for Palin because she is a woman is not necessarily sexist, voting for Obama because he is black is not necessarily racist.

   Both women and black folks are historically underrepresented in politics. The election of either would be tremendous symbolically, and would likely have real world consequences for these groups as well.

   For this reason, voting for a white person because he is white is DIFFERENT than voting for a black person because he is black. One is an attempt to maintain power inequalities while the other is an attempt to create more equality. I do not consider the latter to be racist.

7. #107
   On September 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

   Sorry bluesoc,
   Tf a person is voting for a candiate just because of their skin color then it still means that they are practicing racism irregardless of the political persuasion.

   Remember folks don’t vote symbolism over substance, evaluate the candiates and let their: character, policy statements, and their plans for the future be your guide.

   Personally like alot members on MM, we don’t have a problem voting for an ethnic minority or a female candiate for POTUS as long they closely match our values. I would just as quickly vote Condi, Clarence, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, La Shawn Barber as I would McCain, Palin, or Eliazbeth Dole.

   GSP

8. #108
   On September 15th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, bluesoc said:

   Quick question to anyone who wants to respond:

   Is a person sexist if they vote for Palin because she’s a woman?

9. #109
   On September 15th, 2008 at 7:04 pm, Fineous Reese said:

   Both women and black folks are historically underrepresented in politics. The election of either would be tremendous symbolically, and would likely have real world consequences for these groups as well.

   For this reason, voting for a white person because he is white is DIFFERENT than voting for a black person because he is black. One is an attempt to maintain power inequalities while the other is an attempt to create more equality. I do not consider the latter to be racist.

   different only in color, it’s still racist. If the black* person the black* people vote for just because he’s black* is the worst choice then they are putting race ahead of country and intentionally pushing a wedge into racial divides. If the black* person the black* people vote for just because he’s black* is the better choice then they can hide their racist choice behind the curtain of “the better choice”.

   *insert any color/race here

   the racism comes in the section “just because”

   voting for symbolism smacks of socialism as well.

10. #110
    On September 15th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, bluesoc said:

    Fineous Reese said:

    So it would follow that if police officer searches *arab man just because he is *arab, it is likewise racist? (i know, i know, arab is not a race, but you get the idea right?)

11. #111
    On September 15th, 2008 at 7:47 pm, rambler said:

    And Bidet helps this ticket how? The Obama campaign has resorted to a campaign suitable for a 1st grade class president rather than POTUS.

12. #112
    On September 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pm, Kevin K. said:

    On September 15th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, bluesoc said:

    Quick question to anyone who wants to respond: Is a person sexist if [he or she] vote[s] for Palin because she’s a woman?

    I think so, yes. If is a tie-breaker factor, and it’s one of a number of factors, then it might be legitimate. It is analogous to what Fineous Reece said above about race, “just because” (regardless of any other factor), is racist; voting for a woman just because she is a woman is sexist.

13. #113
    On September 16th, 2008 at 12:01 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    #106 bluesoc said:

    For this reason, voting for a white person because he is white is DIFFERENT than voting for a black person because he is black. One is an attempt to maintain power inequalities while the other is an attempt to create more equality. I do not consider the latter to be racist.

    So you are advocating affirmative action for elections? The totally arrogant assumption that you are floating here is that whoever is in power ABUSES that power according to their skin color, (so you think we need more blacks in office to abuse things the other way for ‘balance’ … what a wonderful ~idea~ /sarc). Such is generally not true at all, (unless you count liberal welfare which has enslaved urban blacks to always vote democrat to keep getting their handouts).

    I NEVER think of myself as a ‘white American’ and the sooner black democrats REJECT the liberal lie and stop thinking of themselves as victimized ‘black/Afro Americans’ and start thinking of themselves proudly as Americans, (and hopefully also then become conservatives once they see the truth in it as many conservative blacks have already managed to do despite the extra high piles of liberal crap they have to endure – such as Clarence Thomas for example), – the better off we’ll all be for it.

14. #114
    On September 16th, 2008 at 4:56 am, Prime Director said:

    voting for a white person because he is white is DIFFERENT than voting for a black person because he is black.

    If you believe that its only the results that count, and not the manner in which they are achieved, then you are unprincipled.

    If your goal is for the social body to retain its cohesiveness, then I don’t see how you could support a Jim-Crow-like, separate-but-equal, one-set-of-expectations-for-whites-and-another-for-blacks kind of attitude.

    For the record, I don’t find anything offensive about voting either for or against a person based in part on race. I believe that there are certain circumstances in which race can legitimately be viewed as a sort of short hand or proxy for a variety of issues that assume tacit knowledge of social values and mores. For example, as Miwok, I’m more likely to vote for another indian of any tribe for practically any office because I’m pretty sure I know what their position on gaming policy and a host of other issues important to me and my family will be.

    Obviously, you also believe that it is acceptable to discriminate on the basis of race, as long as the beneficiary is non-white. That is unprincipled.

    You apparently hold whites to a higher standard than non-whites, as though only whites are capable of recognizing shared interests other than those that are based on race.

    Why do you have such contempt for non-whites?

    One is an attempt to maintain power inequalities while the other is an attempt to create more equality.

    So if given the choice between Condi Rice and Joe Biden for president…

    I do not consider the latter to be racist.

    I’m at pains to see why not.

    Perhaps you might provide us with a non-contradictory definition of racism?

    Is a person sexist if they vote for Palin because she’s a woman?

    Yup.

    There are many swing voters, including many former Hill-dog supporters, who will cast their vote for Palin based on one very superficial characteristic, just as much of the progressive base will cast their vote for obama based on some other superficial characteristic. The relevent question is, are there more of the former or the latter?

    Don’t fret. There will be many voters who will vote against Palin because she’s a woman. But then, there will also be a couple of people who vote against obama because he’s black. Again, the relevent question is, are there more of the former or the latter?

    Politcs is an ugly business.

15. #115
    On September 17th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, escondidoguy said:

    There’s the racism that the Dems have been talking about! We finally uncovered it. Oh wait, that was Biden, a Democrat telling us to make race the determining factor in our decision to vote. I don’t understand. Are we having fun now? Is this the fun part?

16. #116
    On September 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 am, clark smith said:

    
    

    Elect Obama because He’s Black

    Why not? That same mentality worked on the O.J. jury, didn’t it?