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1. #1
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, vickisoup said:

   Oh, I had fun with this last night driving them crazy over at HuffPo, pointing out that, oh what…now Rove’s some sort of honest genius??! Oooohh….hackles were up and their hateful cackles were flying at me!
   I lost six pounds dancing around their stupid barbs, and was having a total blast!
   

2. #2
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, bloghooligan said:

   Rove, useful idiot or used idiot?

   Nonetheless, they have no shame in begging for money, it’s like a bad PBS telethon…only, they won’t send you a cheesy PBS tote bag.

3. #3
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, txvet2 said:

   The fact that they have to resort to quoting “The Great Satan” Rove is satisfaction enough all by itself. They’re imploding.

4. #4
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, rjbjrirish said:

   The Messiah is now citing Karl Rove? Isn’t that like Larry Flynt citing Billy Graham?

5. #5
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, Paul Revere said:

   I thought the lipstick ad was a bit much. Voters are not dumb. We know what Obama meant despite his hissy fits to the contrary. There was no need to make an ad about it.

6. #6
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

   Karl Rove layed down some crazy math this morning that points to a McCain win, sooo let Obambi have his fun.

7. #7
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, sonofdy said:

   Darth Rove is now controling the DNC side!!! (insert manaical laughter here)

   BTW isn’t interesting that every mail says send more money and the fools seem to actualy do it.

8. #8
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, Rob said:

   Even the devil can quote scripture….

9. #9
   On September 15th, 2008 at 3:53 pm, Salt said:

   Maybe the Obama campaign is just getting wiser. They know that many individuals that support him publicly will eventually have to be thrown under the bus. Perhaps now they are trying to choose people they don’t mind pushing in front of the Greyhound. /sarc

10. #10
    On September 15th, 2008 at 3:53 pm, mgraves said:

    Yes, this is definitely a Rovian tactic. The only question is is how is Rove going to out Rove Rove and turn this around and Swift Boat the progressives who speak truth to power?

11. #11
    On September 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, Joy said:

    I knew b. Hussein would conveniently leave out the part where ev-il genius Rove said b. Hussein had also gone too far.

    No integrity.

12. #12
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, Laree said:

    Obama has tapped Bill Clinton on the Dem side. Obama standing next to Bill Clinton said, “The Former President Bill Clinton said, it so it is true, I will be the next President of the U.S.A.” then you look at Bill Clinton’s face and you can tell he didn’t like the “former” part of Obama’s statement. Now Obama is cribbing Karl Roves talking points. Maybe Obama is finally developing a sense of humor.

    Endorsements, Obama is straining for Endorsements for what credibility?

13. #13
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Man! I need more popcorn!

14. #14
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, Veretax said:

    What’s a matched donation?

15. #15
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:02 pm, Jimmy Chowda said:

    Anyone else seeing the softening of Rove as his attempt to be the next RNC chair? I think he’d be brilliant, but he should lay low and work on the ground campaign.

16. #16
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, Laree said:

    http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-she-really-scares-them.html

    I think Obama Popularity is a downward spiral. The phenomena peaked.

17. #17
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, uhangtight said:

    basically, rove stated that both campaigns were groveling down in the mud too far. i don’t think he was just speaking about mccain’s campaign. at least, from what i have read and seen from the ‘great satan’ himself. he was speaking to both campaigns not sticking to the issues.

    issues, obamitler, remember what those are? i think not, hopeychangeyhopeydopey obama try again..say with me we are staying on issues.

18. #18
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pm, The Master said:

    This is just part of the GOP rope-a-dope! After conning Obama into thinking McCain would choose Romney or Pawlenty as his running mate, which gave cover to Obama to choose Joe “The Rambler” Biden instead of Hillary, the GOP has now got Obama to rely on Rove in his own campaign solicitations.

19. #19
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, jsr said:

    …the GOP has now got Obama to rely on Rove in his own campaign solicitations.

    With a little luck, it should be possible to get Biden to endorse McCain.

20. #20
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, sonofdy said:

    With a little luck, it should be possible to get Biden to endorse McCain.

    Well he did endorse Clinton….

21. #21
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, ConMom said:

    How can a donor match the donations that come in? I thought there was some limit on what you can donate. Does anyone know? I thought it was $3500 per person.

22. #22
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, John Ansell said:

    ConMom, they set up political action committees

23. #23
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Okay fellow conservatives…. ignore Rove… focus please focus…. we have a lot to fight for that is more important than Rove.

24. #24
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, Trae said:

    @ConMom I was thinking the same thing…

    @John Ansell If it’s as easy as starting a committee, why doesn’t every big donor set one up?

25. #25
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, SixDegrees said:

    Actually, Rove was addressing BOTH campaigns - not just McCain’s. He began, in fact, by condemning Obama’s ridiculous email ads. And he was quite correct to point out that reaching for that last barb is, indeed, stooping. Up to this point, McCain has done an admirable job of staying away from the gutter, but he is straying dangerously close to it. It’s a bad place to be - voters don’t like it.

    It may already be gnawing at the momentum McCain’s shown over the last few weeks; his lead in the popular polls as dropped considerably over the weekend.

    While he still has the spotlight and the nation’s attention, McCain should plant a flag on the high ground and call for a diminishment of such rhetoric on both sides. Obama seems completely incapable of doing so. Use that to force him into a corner.

    It’s about issues, folks. Not about who can craft the cleverest, lowest insult.

26. #26
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, Rob said:

    Okay fellow conservatives…. ignore Rove… focus please focus…. we have a lot to fight for that is more important than Rove.

    Like illegal immigration.

27. #27
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, lgm said:

    Note what MM does not do.

    She doesn’t defend McCain from the charges in the Plouffe letter. McCain’s campaign is run by lobbyists. They overstate the size of their rallies. How disrespectful!

28. #28
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, SixDegrees said:

    I thought the lipstick ad was a bit much. Voters are not dumb. We know what Obama meant despite his hissy fits to the contrary. There was no need to make an ad about it.

    Exactly. That chicken already roosted. No need to stir it up again.

29. #29
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, sambo said:

    ConMom said:
    How can a donor match the donations that come in? I thought there was some limit on what you can donate. Does anyone know? I thought it was $3500 per person.

    The limit is $2300. If some of his previous donors that donated $50 can say they will match someone else’s donation (up to a certain dollar figure, say another $50).

30. #30
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, sonofdy said:

    Note what MM does not do.

    She doesn’t defend McCain from the charges in the Plouffe letter.

    Because that wasn’t her point DUH.

    McCain’s campaign is run by lobbyists.

    So is Obamas, you point?

    They overstate the size of their rallies. How disrespectful!

    Prove it.

31. #31
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, sambo said:

    lgm said:
    They overstate the size of their rallies.

    Well we know all of the Barack ‘The Rock’ Obama’s cult is delusional anyway so we want hold it against them. But making fun of it on the other hand…

32. #32
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    A previous donor has promised to match every dollar you donate.

    Wouldn’t that put the person doing the matching over his legal limit?

33. #33
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    They overstate the size of their rallies.

    You got that magic eight ball workin’ overtime today kid.

34. #34
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, PatriotRider said:
    Man! I need more popcorn!

    Ain’t this great!? I have plenty of popcorn, I just hope I don’t run out cheeze! (opens cupboard) Dyam! No more Wendsleydale!

35. #35
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, sambo said:

    backwoods conservative said:
    A previous donor has promised to match every dollar you donate.
    Wouldn’t that put the person doing the matching over his legal limit?

    No. I can donate $50 dollars to Palin and tell her I will match someone elses donation up to $50. I could do that until i hit $2300.

36. #36
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, ConMom said:

    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, sambo said:

    Thanks for the info. Obviously I don’t need to worry about hitting the $2300 ceiling, so haven’t exactly checked in to the rules!

37. #37
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, ConMom said:

    Oh snap! I sent Obama a comment this morning based on Michelle’s urging! Now I am on his email list and just got the bloody email above!

38. #38
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    I see a few other people beat me to the punch on that question. The way his campaign is spiraling downward, Obama may not get enough donations for anyone to over the limit by matching them. It’s also possible the matching donor is fictitious.

39. #39
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:44 pm, TxSkirt said:

    I have to agree. The lipstick ad was a little much. They could have said nothing and let the bloggers and media pound him. Sara could have handled this deftly and with humor in her next speech. The ad had the feeling of “SEE! He’s being mean!”. Felt like I was dealing with my preciousandbelovedkidlets and not adults. Unnecessary.

    No supper for you, McCain, for baiting your opponent. We can beat them without the low blows.

40. #40
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:45 pm, Jerry said:

    This may be the first time I have heard the left give weight to the opinion of Karl Rove. Hell….cold breeze…

41. #41
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:45 pm, Rod said:

    And if you make your first online donation today, your gift will go twice as far. A previous donor has promised to match every dollar you donate.

    So who is this “previous donor”? Soros?

42. #42
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And if you make your first online donation today, your gift will go twice as far. A previous donor has promised to match every dollar you donate.

    #41, Rod, my thoughts exactly.

43. #43
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:52 pm, TexasEngineer said:

    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, ConMom said:
    Oh snap! I sent Obama a comment this morning based on Michelle’s urging! Now I am on his email list and just got the bloody email above!

    Poor ConMom. You need a ConMom@neenerneenercan’tfindme.com Spam Address.
    Next time, set up an email address with Yahoo or Hotmail that will only be used for this purpose. It will bet SpamBombed…but as long as you keep it active you’ve got a safe haven email to use for TrollStalking.

44. #44
    On September 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, rsb1 said:

    I was listening to Rove when he was making the comment; he said that BOTH campaigns had gone “a step too far” with some of their ads. Obama’s SPIN factory is worse than Ike. (See, I went “a step too far”, too!)

45. #45
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, vickisoup said:

    lgm said:
    They overstate the size of their rallies.

    And Charlie Rangel doesn’t pay taxes. And Chris Dodd takes favors from lenders.
    And Charles Schumer flaps his loose lips and sinks banking ships.
    And Obama hangs out with known and unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.
    And Obama can’t produce a single person who’s willing to go on record and say that they derived any benefit from BHO’s days as a “community organizer”.
    And his former co-workers confirm that he was a total snob and lied in his book, inflating the importance and impact of his position.
    So, lgm, I mean, you’re swimming in the grown-up’s pool. Better get your water wings on.

46. #46
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:07 pm, SixDegrees said:

    For several types of contributors, the amounts that may be given are essentially unlimited:

    http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contriblimits.shtml

    The limits being discussed above apply to individual donors. There are many other recognized categories.

    That said, I suspect this is, quite simply, a lie designed to squeeze money out of donors. A nationwide email campaign of this sort has the potential to raise vast sums of money, with the Mystery Donor left on the hook to match that amount. It is also extremely unusual to hide the identity of such a donor. I’m betting there isn’t one.

    Someone with time on their hands and some accounting skills might profitably poke around in Obama’s public records with this email in mind. It has that fishy smell to it.

47. #47
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, beenthere said:

    Genius Karl, strikes again. No doubt eager to replicate his triumph of 2006. I recall reading a few days after that debacle, Karl announced that he had figured out exactly what “went wrong” (he didn’t share, however) and by implication the matter was no longer of interest to him. Maybe not to him, but to the rest of us it has been two years of agony we could have done without.

    Every time the man opens his mouth, you have to wonder: whose side is he on? My own thought is that the Republicans would have done much better without him.

48. #48
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, Mark Jaquith said:

    There’s ample room to criticize McCain (see, for example, here). Going far enough in challenging Barack Obama is not one of them, Mr. Rove.

    Rove didn’t say McCain went too far “challenging” Obama. He said he went too far when he lied about Obama. For instances, that completely inaccurate ad about how Obama wanted to teach sex education to kindergardeners. That’s a lie. There are plenty of opportunities to challenge Obama without lying about him.

49. #49
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:39 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Right now, a previous donor — an ordinary person just like you — has promised to match your donation if you step up today.

    Double your impact to combat McCain’s dishonest campaign tactics — make a matched donation of $5 or more today:

    Gee, you’d think a donor offering matching funds to the entire country would already be maxed out.

50. #50
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, vickisoup said:

    lgm said:
    They overstate the size of their rallies.

    And Charlie Rangel doesn’t pay taxes. And Chris Dodd takes favors from lenders.
    And Charles Schumer flaps his loose lips and sinks banking ships.
    And Obama hangs out with known and unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.
    And Obama can’t produce a single person who’s willing to go on record and say that they derived any benefit from BHO’s days as a “community organizer”.
    And his former co-workers confirm that he was a total snob and lied in his book, inflating the importance and impact of his position.
    So, lgm, I mean, you’re swimming in the grown-up’s pool. Better get your water wings on.

    I think he would leave little “tootsie rolls” floating around there, just like he does here.

51. #51
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, Al in St. Lou said:

    I bet they took Rove’s quote out of context!

52. #52
    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, Mark Jaquith said:

    There’s ample room to criticize McCain (see, for example, here). Going far enough in challenging Barack Obama is not one of them, Mr. Rove.

    Rove didn’t say McCain went too far “challenging” Obama. He said he went too far when he lied about Obama. For instances, that completely inaccurate ad about how Obama wanted to teach sex education to kindergardeners. That’s a lie. There are plenty of opportunities to challenge Obama without lying about him.

    Yet…

    Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday [July 2007] that sex education for kindergartners, as long as it is “age-appropriate,” is “the right thing to do.”

    “I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me,” Obama said in reference to the conservative firebrand who ran against him for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Sex education for kindergarteners had become an issue in his race against Keyes because of Obama’s work on the issue as chairman of the health committee in the Illinois state Senate.

    “‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,’” said Obama mimicking Keyes’ distinctive style of speech. “Which — I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter).”

    “But it’s the right thing to do,” Obama continued, “to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools.”

    We could likely debate the amount of detail that might have been discussed in order to be “age-appropriate” or the other details of the proposed legislation (which failed in Illinois), but to continuously denounce it as a lie is inaccurate.

53. #53
    On September 15th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, vickisoup said:

    I think he would leave little “tootsie rolls” floating around there, just like he does here.

    
    Good one, Dimsdale.

54. #54
    On September 15th, 2008 at 7:49 pm, vickisoup said:

    Why does Obama have his d*mn picture up everywhere? He’s like Lenin or Marx or Mao, with his mug on every banner about his campaign.
    Sorry, but he really does have policies as scary as theirs.

55. #55
    On September 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm, emjem24 said:

    You magnificant bastard, Karl Rove! You’ve infiltrated the Obummer camp (manic laugh). Seek and destroy, dude, seek and detroy!

56. #56
    On September 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm, BernVerdnardo said:

    Mark Jaquith:
    Since bill 0099 was first written to include grades “6-12″ and rewritten to “K-12″, I say its fair game. Votes are fair game dude. If its so ridiculous, why did he vote for it?

    The lipstick ad was cheesy. But if you Dems want to talk about lies I dont think you want to bring up the Sarah Palin issue.

57. #57
    On September 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pm, Jaded said:

    Karl Rove is the “mind” of the Amnesty debacle and he is irrelevent to anyone on the conservative side of the aisle…..hey Republicans ignore this piece of old tripe!

58. #58
    On September 15th, 2008 at 9:16 pm, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    I agree with Rove on this issue. It discredits the conservative cause when we fall into the trap of over-hyping false indignation and airing ads with deliberate misrepresentation of facts. The loons on the far left cannot be assuaged with reasoning. If we want to keep Obama out of the WH We must focus on the people in the middle of the political spectrum that, IMHO, are only going to be swayed with common sense and dignified discourse rather than hyperbole and fact-twisting.

59. #59
    On September 15th, 2008 at 9:49 pm, rlwo2008 said:

    Thank you, Rove, for handing Obama his new ad.

60. #60
    On September 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pm, torabora said:

    Even BO’s campaign ad has a lie…the “matching” money from “a previous donor” part.

    He’s become a hustler.

61. #61
    On September 15th, 2008 at 10:38 pm, jangar said:

    Dang, for the Obama campaign to go so far as to quote most hated Rove, the wheels must really be off the Barry Bus!

62. #62
    On September 15th, 2008 at 11:04 pm, Send_Me said:

    Hopefully someone will let me know when the candidates and media actually discuss public policy, culture, and political philosophy, because my TV has been turned off for over a week now. By the looks of things here, I see that there hasn’t been much change in the political arena. I would say that I can’t wait until Nov. 4, but I know full well that “election 2012″ is about to spin into high gear around February or March (no different than seeing Christmas decorations in stores right after Labor Day).
    I found Voddie Baucham’s comments on 11 Sep. in regards to Antonio Gramsci’s idea of “cultural hegemony” to be quite insightful and relevant to this year’s election.

63. #63
    On September 16th, 2008 at 12:26 am, love2rumba said:

    She doesn’t defend McCain from the charges in the Plouffe letter. McCain’s campaign is run by lobbyists. They overstate the size of their rallies. How disrespectful!

    And Obama’s campaign isn’t run by criminals and lobbyists?? wow! /sarc

64. #64
    On September 16th, 2008 at 1:37 am, CC said:

    This was a great incentive to contact the McCain campaign and make a donation. I asked them to send me a McCain for President bumper sticker.

65. #65
    On September 16th, 2008 at 10:04 am, Flag2911 said:

    The Republicans will most likely lose this election because, unlike the Democrats, they do not stick together. The comment by Rove was not a smart move.

66. #66
    On September 16th, 2008 at 11:44 am, flaming_o said:

    The comment by Rove was not a smart move.

    Choosing Biden as his running mate was no “smart move” for Sen. Obama.

    With a little luck, it should be possible to get Biden to endorse McCain.

    Every time Biden hits his tonsils with his foot, it amounts to the same thing.

67. #67
    On September 16th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, mistressjustice said:

    McCain has made a deal at “the crossroads”. He’ll do anything to win this election. If he wins, I can only hope that he goes back to his old honorable, mavericky “middle finger to the Right” ways. McCain has learned in recent years that you can’t be a nice, honorable guy, and win a major election.

    The first outright LIE McCain told during his campaign was when he tried to act like Mitt Romney supported a pullout timetable to leave Iraq. I despise Romney, but I admit that it was a lie. McCain has been shady and misleading ever since. This is JohnnyMac’s last chance, and he doesn’t care if his integrity takes a hit as he goes for the prize.
    “Just win, baby”

    Obama has to get dirtier himself if things don’t improve by the middle of October.

    “Just win, baby”

    I love and hate politics equally.

68. #68
    On September 16th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, RetFireman said:

    So…Satan himself, the man that could not be trusted to walk on the other side of the street as their children, is now The Voice, the only one they can trust and believe?

    Of course, they left out all the other things he said, how he criticized Hussein and his lies and such. That would have completely negated what they were trying to do.

    They just have no limits to their disgusting lives and beliefs.

    Hypocrisy…thy name is Liberalism.