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		<title>By: Calanda-Technology.Com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Latest Pajamas Media Column (&#8217;Very Different Economic Times in Red vs. Blue States&#8217;) Is Up; Some Follow-ups, Including &#8216;Barney&#8217;s Rubble&#8217;</title>
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		<description>[...] to extend the Clinton policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to the administration that wanted to increase [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calanda-Technology.Com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Latest Pajamas Media Column (&#8217;Very Different Economic Times in Red vs. Blue States&#8217;) Is Up; Some Follow-ups</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to extend the Clinton policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to the administration that wanted to increase [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; Latest Pajamas Media Column (&#8217;Very Different Economic Times in Red vs. Blue States&#8217;) Is Up; Some Follow-ups</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; Latest Pajamas Media Column (&#8217;Very Different Economic Times in Red vs. Blue States&#8217;) Is Up; Some Follow-ups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to extend the Clinton policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to the administration that wanted to increase [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Disingenuous Dems Lying About Credit Crisis &#171; The Dude&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disingenuous Dems Lying About Credit Crisis &#171; The Dude&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Malkin: The fit hits the shan on Wall Street [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Corruption You Can Believe In: Failed Sub Primes and Mortgage Fraud Lendors Funneled Money to Dodd &#38; Obama the Most. Fannie &#38; Freddie Gave $200 Million to Partisans-Most Went to Democrats! Dodd, Obama Among Top Recievers. Republicans Attempted to </title>
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		<dc:creator>Corruption You Can Believe In: Failed Sub Primes and Mortgage Fraud Lendors Funneled Money to Dodd &#38; Obama the Most. Fannie &#38; Freddie Gave $200 Million to Partisans-Most Went to Democrats! Dodd, Obama Among Top Recievers. Republicans Attempted to </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE III: Megan McArdle at The Atlantic Magazine slams Obama for blaming this on Bush calling it &#8220;High-test Hooey&#8221;. Megan&#8217;s analysis is a good one, but I wish she addressed the influence peddling issue I addressed, because that is a part of this problem. Malkin comments HERE. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE III: Megan McArdle at The Atlantic Magazine slams Obama for blaming this on Bush calling it &#8220;High-test Hooey&#8221;. Megan&#8217;s analysis is a good one, but I wish she addressed the influence peddling issue I addressed, because that is a part of this problem. Malkin comments HERE. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Corruption You Can Believe In: Failed Sub Primes and Mortgage Fraud Lendors Funneled Money to Dodd &#38; Obama the Most. Fannie &#38; Freddie Gave $200 Million to Partisans-Most Went to Democrats! Dodd, Obama Among Top Recievers. Republicans Attempted to </title>
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		<dc:creator>Corruption You Can Believe In: Failed Sub Primes and Mortgage Fraud Lendors Funneled Money to Dodd &#38; Obama the Most. Fannie &#38; Freddie Gave $200 Million to Partisans-Most Went to Democrats! Dodd, Obama Among Top Recievers. Republicans Attempted to </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE III: Megan McArdle at The Atlantic Magazine slams Obama for blaming this on Bush calling it &#8220;High-test Hooey&#8221;. Megan&#8217;s analysis is a good one, but I wish she addressed the influence peddling issue I addressed, because that is a part of this problem. Malkin comments HERE. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE III: Megan McArdle at The Atlantic Magazine slams Obama for blaming this on Bush calling it &#8220;High-test Hooey&#8221;. Megan&#8217;s analysis is a good one, but I wish she addressed the influence peddling issue I addressed, because that is a part of this problem. Malkin comments HERE. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Corruption You Can Believe In: Failed Sub Primes and Mortgage Fraud Lendors Funneled Money to Dodd &#38; Obama the Most. Fannie &#38; Freddie Gave $200 Million to Partisans-Most Went to Democrats! Dodd, Obama Among Top Recievers. Republicans Attempted to </title>
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		<dc:creator>Corruption You Can Believe In: Failed Sub Primes and Mortgage Fraud Lendors Funneled Money to Dodd &#38; Obama the Most. Fannie &#38; Freddie Gave $200 Million to Partisans-Most Went to Democrats! Dodd, Obama Among Top Recievers. Republicans Attempted to </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE III: Megan McArdle at The Atlantic Magazine slams Obama for blaming this on Bush calling it &#8220;High-test Hooey&#8221;. Megan&#8217;s analysis is a good one, but I wish she addressed the influence peddling issue I addressed, because that is a part of this problem. Malkin comments HERE. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE III: Megan McArdle at The Atlantic Magazine slams Obama for blaming this on Bush calling it &#8220;High-test Hooey&#8221;. Megan&#8217;s analysis is a good one, but I wish she addressed the influence peddling issue I addressed, because that is a part of this problem. Malkin comments HERE. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: emjem24</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>self-edit: first sentence of third paragraph should read... A lot of the deregulation and lessening of borrowing standards was not ended by Clinton. Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>self-edit: first sentence of third paragraph should read&#8230; A lot of the deregulation and lessening of borrowing standards was not ended by Clinton. Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: kudafa</title>
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		<dc:creator>kudafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In post #95, LGM said &quot;who reads the fine print.&quot; In my view, the very existence of fine print is reason enough to scrutinize those passages with a microscope. If the people didn&#039;t understand what they were getting into, take a little time &amp; get an opinion from someone who knows about this stuff, such as a real estate lawyer. Spending a few hundred dollars could  save people tens of thousands later on. I&#039;ve had it up to my ears with people moaning about not knowing what they did, &amp; how they were screwed &amp; want rescued without any responsibility. Unless there is outright fraud, deception or coercion, how about people just man up &amp; accept they made a bad decision &amp; take care of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In post #95, LGM said &#8220;who reads the fine print.&#8221; In my view, the very existence of fine print is reason enough to scrutinize those passages with a microscope. If the people didn&#8217;t understand what they were getting into, take a little time &amp; get an opinion from someone who knows about this stuff, such as a real estate lawyer. Spending a few hundred dollars could  save people tens of thousands later on. I&#8217;ve had it up to my ears with people moaning about not knowing what they did, &amp; how they were screwed &amp; want rescued without any responsibility. Unless there is outright fraud, deception or coercion, how about people just man up &amp; accept they made a bad decision &amp; take care of it.</p>
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		<title>By: emjem24</title>
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		<dc:creator>emjem24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;lgm said: 
Real issue: Where did all this bad debt come from? Consumer protection laws are supposed to protect people from taking loans they have little chance of paying back. Bush era deregulation and relaxation of regulation allowed lenders to flout these rules and generate a mountain of bad debt. Clinton would not have let it happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem is that Clinton DID allow it to happen and you deliberately avoid the point because you believe that no Dem can fail. That the government can never fail.

The fact of the matter is that Clinton was part of this mess when he loosened restrictions on who could borrow and who could get loans for homes. That an industry became built around that is missing the point. Are there economically naive people out there who think that with 75k you too can afford a 500k house? Yes. Were there lenders who exploited the situation? Yes.

A lot of the deregulation and lessening of borrowing standards started with Clinton. Perhaps, if Americans like you stopped lying to themselves about why you don&#039;t live within your means, the economy, and the financial industry, wouldn&#039;t be in a muddled state right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>lgm said:<br />
Real issue: Where did all this bad debt come from? Consumer protection laws are supposed to protect people from taking loans they have little chance of paying back. Bush era deregulation and relaxation of regulation allowed lenders to flout these rules and generate a mountain of bad debt. Clinton would not have let it happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is that Clinton DID allow it to happen and you deliberately avoid the point because you believe that no Dem can fail. That the government can never fail.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that Clinton was part of this mess when he loosened restrictions on who could borrow and who could get loans for homes. That an industry became built around that is missing the point. Are there economically naive people out there who think that with 75k you too can afford a 500k house? Yes. Were there lenders who exploited the situation? Yes.</p>
<p>A lot of the deregulation and lessening of borrowing standards started with Clinton. Perhaps, if Americans like you stopped lying to themselves about why you don&#8217;t live within your means, the economy, and the financial industry, wouldn&#8217;t be in a muddled state right now.</p>
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		<title>By: CO of Fort Housewife</title>
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		<dc:creator>CO of Fort Housewife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On September 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, lgm said: 
True, but there is lots of evidence of borrowers not understanding or being told all the conditions of a loan. Many were not aware that the low “teaser rates” were only for the first few years. You can argue that this information was in the fine print, but who reads fine print?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I&#039;m making a purchase that is going to cost me upwards of $400K (including interest), I sure as heck read all the fine print. To fail to do so is, in my opinion, what&#039;s the word...IRRESPONSIBLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On September 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, lgm said:<br />
True, but there is lots of evidence of borrowers not understanding or being told all the conditions of a loan. Many were not aware that the low “teaser rates” were only for the first few years. You can argue that this information was in the fine print, but who reads fine print?
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<p>When I&#8217;m making a purchase that is going to cost me upwards of $400K (including interest), I sure as heck read all the fine print. To fail to do so is, in my opinion, what&#8217;s the word&#8230;IRRESPONSIBLE.</p>
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		<title>By: txvet2</title>
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		<dc:creator>txvet2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On September 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, lgm said:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They were responsible for knowing the terms of the contract, and for questioning those terms they didn&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On September 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, lgm said:</p></blockquote>
<p>They were responsible for knowing the terms of the contract, and for questioning those terms they didn&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: right4life</title>
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		<dc:creator>right4life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;True, but there is lots of evidence of borrowers not understanding or being told all the conditions of a loan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

really?  what evidence?  people aren&#039;t stupid.  if you don&#039;t know that a balloon loan rate will change, or that a no-principal loan isn&#039;t a dumb idea, then they deserve to lose their house. 

when you&#039;re making the biggest purchase of your life, you&#039;d BETTER read the fine print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>True, but there is lots of evidence of borrowers not understanding or being told all the conditions of a loan.</p></blockquote>
<p>really?  what evidence?  people aren&#8217;t stupid.  if you don&#8217;t know that a balloon loan rate will change, or that a no-principal loan isn&#8217;t a dumb idea, then they deserve to lose their house. </p>
<p>when you&#8217;re making the biggest purchase of your life, you&#8217;d BETTER read the fine print.</p>
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		<title>By: lgm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lgm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;sonofdy&lt;/strong&gt; said (#70):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nobody held a gun to the borrowers heads either….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True, but there is lots of evidence of borrowers not understanding or being told all the conditions of a loan.  Many were not aware that the low &quot;teaser rates&quot; were only for the first few years.  You can argue that this information was in the fine print, but who reads fine print?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>sonofdy</strong> said (#70):</p>
<blockquote><p>Nobody held a gun to the borrowers heads either….</p></blockquote>
<p>True, but there is lots of evidence of borrowers not understanding or being told all the conditions of a loan.  Many were not aware that the low &#8220;teaser rates&#8221; were only for the first few years.  You can argue that this information was in the fine print, but who reads fine print?</p>
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		<title>By: cheapseat</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheapseat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>common sense, just wait until medicare/medicaid and social security go bust because they too are just ponzi schemes which 1/2 the country is using to suck at the govmnt trough. think 1990 russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>common sense, just wait until medicare/medicaid and social security go bust because they too are just ponzi schemes which 1/2 the country is using to suck at the govmnt trough. think 1990 russia.</p>
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