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1. #301
   On September 16th, 2008 at 8:44 pm, ajmontana said:

   I’m talking solely about my experience here. And I’m not exaggerating.

   No, you’re lying, like I said show me.

   It’s Killin em and
   I Love it!!!

   McCain/Palin 08′

2. #302
   On September 16th, 2008 at 8:46 pm, ajmontana said:

   You just don’t care enough to notice (and I already know you’re white. I find that point irrelevant).

   More lies.

3. #303
   On September 16th, 2008 at 8:48 pm, ajmontana said:

   (and I already know you’re white.

   What does this have to do with the price of arugala? lol.

   for the record, I’m Tanned.
   well , maybe more sunburned today.

4. #304
   On September 16th, 2008 at 8:49 pm, Rob said:

   and I already know you’re white.

   Than why argue????

5. #305
   On September 16th, 2008 at 8:53 pm, emjem24 said:

   nyk:
   It’s curious to see how puritanical you become when a liberal responds in kind to a conservative’s base comment — to which, incidentally, and quite hypocritically, you say nary a word, ever. But so is your way — and if nothing else, I respect consistency, however cowardly.

   There have been numerous examples of you coarsening the debate and then hiding behind race to get away with it. Anybody, like GK, whose style I DO NOT prefer, who calls you on it, is labeled a racist by YOU. Let’s be clear, I think you’re uninformed about both Sarah Palin, politics, and life in general and many people, including myself, have called you on your stereotyping of conservatives. When you make the kind of statements that you do you’re as classless as you accuse other posters of being.

   emjem, the only proof I have is the studies conducted by national survey groups on this sort of thing. I have neither the resources nor the time (or interest) to conduct them myself. If you’d like to publish the results of your own (non-anecdotal) evidence, have at it. I more than welcome your analytical and statistical insights.

   This statement is a copout. If you don’t have any proof about particular military voting patterns then stop bloviating about it. As I said on another thread, donation patterns do not indicate voting preference.

   On a personal note (yes, this is anecdotal), I have lived in different parts of the country as a military spouse. I’ve met many military members, enlisted and commissioned, that are termed Republican but also see themselves in various models as moderate, independent, and conservative and they would never vote for Obummer because of his liberal record. Now, if a Dem has some conservative leanings, they will certainly examine them closely.

   You, like many liberals, also tend to think of the military as a group that doesn’t think for itself. Believe me, they do. Some very fine military members that I’ve had as friends for years have grown disgusted with Pres. Bush because of some of the choices he’s made. Until you actually get out there and mingle with military members (if that isn’t beneath you?), then studying them like insects and citing all the studies in the world won’t make them more real as a voting group.

   Yes, I did, and I have NUMEROUS other times. Review some of the articles here and read the comments. I’m simply saying, there’s a reason that, overwhelmingly, people of color (across the board) vote Democrat. I was never more aware of the reason than I became once I began reading the comments on this site.

   Yet another copout response to an honest question. Blacks embrace Dems because they pander to them. They say all the right things to the black community. The Republicans say, “take care of yourselves” and “stop living in the past” and that somehow is racist. If you’re basing black voting patterns on comments on this board, you’re reaching.

   BTW, have you ever been discriminated against? As a black woman? Do you have any real life experience to back up your narrow-minded view of other Americans? When I lived in Alabama I was fired from a job by my supervisor, a black office manager. She didn’t particularly like that I was a military spouse. She never gave a reason, but I knew. She was also quite rude to my fellow white coworkers.

   I find it interesting that you see me as “puritanical.” I’ll go one step further…. you’re “militant.” You’re very into your own views and don’t think that you’ll ever change them. At one time, I supported abortion until I discovered what partial birth abortion is. I changed my mind after that. Hardly puritanical… I don’t defend people or practices that are just plain evil. Can you say the same?

6. #306
   On September 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm, Rob said:

   I find it interesting that you see me as “puritanical.” I’ll go one step further…. you’re “militant.”

   Religious nuts are militant puritanicals, but religious nuts did found this country, and as such, I think we owe them some “props” as our founding fathers..

7. #307
   On September 16th, 2008 at 9:02 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

   I’ve enumerated them here before, but let’s say that racial slurs — and defenses of those racial slurs, when I or another liberal has called them out — aren’t uncommon.

   This is pathetic.

8. #308
   On September 16th, 2008 at 9:08 pm, cwbois said:

   Used to live in the very small town of North Pole Alaska, can say from experience that a tanning bed was a nice thing to have on those long months when the sun barely camre up over the horizon. These libs remind me of the noobs that would show up from Hawaii in the summer and walk around asking why did we need so much coal its not that cold around here.

9. #309
   On September 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm, emjem24 said:

   Rob said:

   I find it interesting that you see me as “puritanical.” I’ll go one step further…. you’re “militant.”

   Religious nuts are militant puritanicals, but religious nuts did found this country, and as such, I think we owe them some “props” as our founding fathers..

   Now, Rob, while I agree with you to a certain “extent”, a lot our founders were “deists” as well. I hope you’re not implying that I’m a “religious nut” ’cause that is certainly not the case. I guess, perhaps, that I’m a “deist” then. I do agree with a lot of Christian principles but don’t necessarily identify with any particular church.

   I’ve struggled with religion and my ties to it and what it meant to me my entire life. My husband and I “may” join a church at some point when we have a baby.

10. #310
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:17 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    emjem24 said:

    Anybody, like GK, whose style I DO NOT prefer, who calls you on it, is labeled a racist by YOU

    I am rough around the edges but I don’t know any other way to do it sometimes. Perhaps if I had fine tuned debating skill I’d be really good.

11. #311
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:19 pm, Rob said:

    Now, Rob, while I agree with you to a certain “extent

    Sorry. I thought you were one of the people that want to enforce their anti-abortion views and anti-gay views on the rest of the country.

    I don’t like abortion or gay issues, but don’t want religous people making decisons for the rest.

    (shhhh, but my wife and I are trying to have a baby too… )

12. #312
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:23 pm, emjem24 said:

    Navywife:

    Thank you for your part in the debate with nyk. I think what nyk mistakes as “racism” is people joking around about PCisms and the hypersensitivity in the black community. I do think that nyk either willfully misinterprets what people say on here or just ignores reality.

    What really makes me ponder is nyk’s insistence on lying and misrepresenting conservativism and the ideas that surround it. I wonder if she is so confident about her position, then why lie about the opposition? Has she grown up believing the lies or does she just think that we all live in some time warp where nothing changes and people don’t change their minds?

    She reminds me too much of a lot of liberals that I grew up with or met during college. They were either too in love with themselves to accept the viewpoint of others or that their ideology is the only acceptable point of view.

    Either way…. if she appreciates MM so much she would stop maligning it so much. Makes you wonder what she actually gets out of MM besides crying racism!, and generally preaching the love of liberalism.

    I’m not buying it…. good on you for trying to understand.

13. #313
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:34 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    emjem24 said

    You’re female. I’m sorry I sometimes forget there’s dignified women on the board. I should really be a little more tempered.

14. #314
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:36 pm, nyk said:

    Wait…I meant to write:

    You just don’t care enough to notice (and I already know you’re [NOT] white. I find that point irrelevant).

    That was a critical omission.

    Anybody, like GK, whose style I DO NOT prefer, who calls you on it, is labeled a racist by YOU.

    GK isn’t a racist. I may call him an idiot sometimes, but he NEVER resorts to racial namecalling. EVER. EVER.

    If you don’t have any proof about particular military voting patterns then stop bloviating about it.

    You are the QUEEN (and king) bloviator on any and EVERYthing relating to the military. I just wanted to hear your amazing insights, since you always bring it up — shoehorning it in, whenever there’s an opportunity (and even when there isn’t).

15. #315
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm, emjem24 said:

    Goldwater Knight said:

    emjem24 said:

    Anybody, like GK, whose style I DO NOT prefer, who calls you on it, is labeled a racist by YOU

    I am rough around the edges but I don’t know any other way to do it sometimes. Perhaps if I had fine tuned debating skill I’d be really good

    GK:

    I’m not trying to harangue you. I get what you’re doing but I just avoid tangling with the pious, black sisterhood of mj and nyk about race. It’s hard to separate those who see themselves as “victims” from the actual reality.

16. #316
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm, nyk said:

    I think what nyk mistakes as “racism” is people joking around about PCisms and the hypersensitivity in the black community.

    People using out-and-out racist terms (“n*gger, rag head, wetback”) is not “joking around about PCisms.” Subverting political correctness — and I want you to understand this, but I doubt you will — has nothing to do with calling people the worst thing you can BASED SOLELY ON THEIR RACE. Telling people to (and I quote) “Go back to Africa” (what year is it?) — I’m sure that’s funny to people like you. To most people I know (many of whom, for the record, are NOT people of color…but includes others who are), it isn’t. And if you think that’s just “funny” — well that makes perfect sense in light of everything you’ve ever written.

17. #317
    On September 16th, 2008 at 9:49 pm, nyk said:

    I get what you’re doing but I just avoid tangling with the pious, black sisterhood of mj and nyk about race.

    Again — I read this and realized remembered you have no idea what you’re talking about. “Black sisterhood?” Really? Did you just watch “Waiting to Exhale”? Is that your point of reference? It has zero to do with anything real. You rely on stereotypes, and it’s the closest you’ve probably ever gotten to real life.

    And for the record, if you think I’M militant (a punk-rock bred, indie rock band loving, suburbia-escaping girl) black girl, you are in for a sad awakening when you meet a REAL black militant.

18. #318
    On September 16th, 2008 at 10:28 pm, emjem24 said:

    nyk said:

    GK isn’t a racist. I may call him an idiot sometimes, but he NEVER resorts to racial namecalling. EVER. EVER.

    I don’t think you even know what racism is. You bring out racism every time you imagine a “wrong” or some slight or criticism toward you or someone of “color.”

    You are the QUEEN (and king) bloviator on any and EVERYthing relating to the military. I just wanted to hear your amazing insights, since you always bring it up — shoehorning it in, whenever there’s an opportunity (and even when there isn’t).

    I find that I’m criticized the most by liberals for bringing up my military spouseness because they identify that as some kind of irrelevance, even on issues such as oh, the military or the presidential race. I bring it up when it’s pertinent or to somebody I talk to regularly. That would not be you, because frankly, with your every action, you demonstrate that you don’t get the military.

    I think, if anything, I confront your ignorance on many issues, including the military. I speak out on certain issues that affect me directly such as military spouse discrimination, which exists, or other military-related issues that are important to me and that I talk a lot about, not just on this blog, but on military spouse groups sites, and in the community.

    I notice that you and mj seem to be the queens of blackness, ills, and wrongs. You bloviate about your militant liberalism an awful lot. Yet you
    “bloviate” on stuff that you either don’t want to research or learn for yourself because you neither have the interest or time. So, you rely on a biased media to fill in the gaps.

    I talk about what I know. You talk about what you think you know and add in some lies and mischaracterization. That’s the difference.

19. #319
    On September 16th, 2008 at 10:50 pm, emjem24 said:

    nyk said:
    People using out-and-out racist terms (”n*gger, rag head, wetback”) is not “joking around about PCisms.” Subverting political correctness — and I want you to understand this, but I doubt you will — has nothing to do with calling people the worst thing you can BASED SOLELY ON THEIR RACE. Telling people to (and I quote) “Go back to Africa” (what year is it?) — I’m sure that’s funny to people like you. To most people I know (many of whom, for the record, are NOT people of color…but includes others who are), it isn’t. And if you think that’s just “funny” — well that makes perfect sense in light of everything you’ve ever written.

    I have never used any of the racial epithets that you have mentioned and neither do most of the posters on here. I referred to one incident of some black councilman in Atlanta (?) taking offense to the term “black hole.” This is what I’m talking about.

    The whole “go back to Africa” comment is something that you’re generalizing. I think one of my commentaries I’ve made is that if black people really have it so “rough” and don’t think that they can contribute anything positive to their own communities, how ’bout going to Africa (say the PeaceCorps) and doing some good there. I’ll take it further and say that poverty in this country, including in urban areas, is nothing like what exists in Africa and something that black Americans need to keep in perspective.

    Your rant is rather immature and one-sided. I do not take delight in racial epithets. I’ve been on the other side of black racism where it was implied that I was too stupid to get “black people.”

    I think our country is ruled by political correctness that is deliberately raised by people like you, nyk, in every incidence that slightly implies something “racist.” We’re so sensitive as a society that we don’t have any kind of honest dialogue about race because that would challenge the victimization my name is nyk meme a little too much.

    People like me? You know nothing about me except what you’ve got summed up in that little, militant liberal head of yours.

20. #320
    On September 16th, 2008 at 11:01 pm, nyk said:

    I don’t think you even know what racism is. You bring out racism every time you imagine a “wrong” or some slight or criticism toward you or someone of “color.”

    There’s never anything “slight” about the criticisms of people of color here that I’ve mentioned. Again — I know it’s beyond your grasp, but racial slurs? Kinda not subtle for most people…I realize that you need overstated, rude, primitive, dirty words to understand bad from good, but for the rest of us, a simple “raghead” or “wetback” suffices.

    I should add that your attempt to state that I think GK is a racist was a perfect example of how much you don’t understand the most basic principle of this (and pretty much everything to which you apply your diminutive intellect). GK is a jerk sometimes; he’s never a racist moron. YOU don’t know what racism is. But you are willing to cheapen the definition by pretending you do.

    I talk about what I know.

    You talk WAY beyond what you know. I realize the sphere of what you know is soooo small (as to be invisible even under an electron microscope) that it’s hard to contain your conversations to it. So, I don’t fault you.

21. #321
    On September 16th, 2008 at 11:16 pm, emjem24 said:

    nyk said:
    Again — I read this and realized remembered you have no idea what you’re talking about. “Black sisterhood?” Really? Did you just watch “Waiting to Exhale”? Is that your point of reference? It has zero to do with anything real.

    OMG. Yet another overreaction. I don’t base my opinions on a group of people on a dopey film about black chicks who can’t find/keep love. Plus, your estimation of my viewing habits is highly overrated. I’m more of a sci-fi, old black and white film gal myself.

    You rely on stereotypes, and it’s the closest you’ve probably ever gotten to real life.

    Pot meet kettle. Do you know anything about people or real life yourself? Do you even know what you’re talking about? About anything?

    You’re a twit, nyk. That’s it. You may have a college education but it really doesn’t recommend anything about you. What do you know of “real life” except what you confront in your own inner sphere?

    I’ve had more honest, enlightening coversations with 8th graders than I’ve had with you. You’re more concerned with being the “cool,” “hip” chick on the cutting edge of her alternative 20′s but can’t seem to string together a phrase devoid of emotion, irationalism, or racism assessment.

    And for the record, if you think I’M militant (a punk-rock bred, indie rock band loving, suburbia-escaping girl) black girl, you are in for a sad awakening when you meet a REAL black militant.

    I could really care less about your music tastes. What does music even have to do with this discussion? Oh, that’s right…NOTHING.

    I said militant liberal, not militant black panther. Do you understand word usage and context? Or do you just read whatever you want into comments by those you like psychoanalyze in 5 seconds?

22. #322
    On September 16th, 2008 at 11:42 pm, emjem24 said:

    nyk said:
    There’s never anything “slight” about the criticisms of people of color here that I’ve mentioned. Again — I know it’s beyond your grasp, but racial slurs? Kinda not subtle for most people…I realize that you need overstated, rude, primitive, dirty words to understand bad from good, but for the rest of us, a simple “raghead” or “wetback” suffices.

    Wow, overstate much? Ummmm, criticism= racism? Okay. Yet, the minority who make slurs represents the whole of this blog? Man, you paid way too much for that college education with that kind of rationale.

    I should add that your attempt to state that I think GK is a racist was a perfect example of how much you don’t understand the most basic principle of this (and pretty much everything to which you apply your diminutive intellect). GK is a jerk sometimes; he’s never a racist moron. YOU don’t know what racism is. But you are willing to cheapen the definition by pretending you do.

    I take the racist part back about GK and just say he likes to toy with you. You see him as a jerk, well, then, it takes a jerk to know one I guess. OMG, the queen of “racism” lecturing about how I “pretend” to know what racism is. So, I guess, the only people who experience racism are those who don’t have white skin? Uh huh.

    You talk WAY beyond what you know. I realize the sphere of what you know is soooo small (as to be invisible even under an electron microscope) that it’s hard to contain your conversations to it. So, I don’t fault you.

    I don’t fault you for being an ignorant liberal who can’t see the perspectives of other people unless they’re contained within your “tiny” world. Liberal projection maybe?

    So what was the point in your whole diatribe? To call me a racist and a small-minded bigot because I don’t abide by PCism’s when they prevent actual dialogue? Did you want to convince me some more that you’re incapable of deep thought unless it intensifies “white guilt?” It’s nice to see that the liberals have indoctrinated you well and haven’t given you an independent thought except to heap insults on those nasty conservatives.

    I fear for the future of our country when I have to see blathering pieces of nonsense like yourself lecture me about life. Go enjoy that cultural slice of life known as New York with its crime and noise. I’ll take my “suburban backwater” here in Virginia.

23. #323
    On September 16th, 2008 at 11:44 pm, nyk said:

    [D]o you just read whatever you want into comments by those you like psychoanalyze in 5 seconds?

    Um…only if they, “like,” are as easy to decipher as you. And most people who can tie their own shoes are not.

    Good night.

24. #324
    On September 16th, 2008 at 11:57 pm, RetFireman said:

    Well thank the goddess for nyk. I am converted. If it wasn’t for such knowledgeable, well informed, intelligent well read individuals like that, I might just have lived out the rest of my life accepting responsibility for my own actions, working for everything I have or will get, raising my own children in a loving home, and remained straight with a belief in God that brought me peace of mind.

    nyk and all that rational debate carried out by him and the rest of them has shown me the light.

    I can’t wait to get out there and work for the true messiah, the one I have always waited for, to get him into the Oval Office where I never have to think for myself again, never have to provide for my children or myself ever again, where I can now worship at the altar of ME and Liberalism for ever.

    Thank you. You have convinced me and I am sure others here as well. Your work is done. You can now take your crusade elsewhere for there are so many more like I was out there that are starved for your intellectual input. I can’t wait until i can start blaming everyone else. Maybe I will start tonight. Woo hoo!

25. #325
    On September 17th, 2008 at 8:38 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    I could care less what Nyk’s race is, she’s nuts regardless of her race.

26. #326
    On September 17th, 2008 at 10:39 am, happyscrapper said:

    What bothers me most about this whole rant is that she is accusing posters on this site of using vile racial terminology. I have been reading the comments on this site for over a year and have NEVER seen those words used. Where is she getting that? To be accused of using horrible racial epithets really disturbs me and give us all a black eye. Wait…nyk, I didn’t mean to say black eye. Gives us all a bad reputation. I know MM does not tolerate hate language and would have banned anyone who used it. NYK is totally delusional.

27. #327
    On September 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    I spent an hour reading the whole exchange from Nyk and other posters here. Not once, not one time, did Nyk bring up the fact that among “people of color” (gag me–this is another liberal made up PC expression)there are such terrible racial slurs expressed (listen to ANY Hip-Hop rap song for proof). I don’t see her criticizing them for the kind of hate-filled, woman demoralizing, racial slurs I hear “people of color” using everyday. Give me a major break! She is trying so hard to impress us with her intellectuallizing, she sure doesn’t criticize her “brothers and sisters” for freely tossing around the “N” word. I can’t stand her constant drumming on about how racist this country is. AND, another thing, if former military people (like me)want to put in our two cents about military things–we earned our right to do so.