AP reporter e-mails: Yeah, it’s all Palin’s fault
Just call them the Associated (With Hackers) Press.
A reader e-mailed AP reporter Ted Bridis yesterday after Bridis’s article on the Palin e-mail hacking disclosed that the AP was refusing to cooperate with the feds and suggested that Palin was to blame for the crime.
Bridis’s report states: “The Secret Service contacted The Associated Press on Wednesday and asked for copies of the leaked e-mails, which circulated widely on the Internet. The AP did not comply. The disclosure Wednesday raises new questions about the propriety of the Palin administration’s use of nongovernment e-mail accounts to conduct state business. The practice was revealed months ago — prior to Palin’s selection as a vice presidential candidate — after political critics obtained internal e-mails documenting the practice by some aides…”
Here’s the e-mail exchange:
—–Original Message—–
From:
Sent:
To: Bridis, Ted
Subject: Palin’s email theftHi,
You think that this story “raises questions” about *her* use of her own email? Questions from whom? You?
This isn’t really the point of the story. It appears that you are using the theft of the mail to put forth your own anit-Palin feelings. It’s a trend.
Perhaps you should tell us what happened, and not try to give us your opinion on what questions it raises. Alright?
Did the AP steal the mail? “Questions have been raised about whether the Associated Press stole Gov. Palin’s private email…”
And here’s the response my reader received from Bridis:
From: “Bridis, Ted” TBridis@ap.org
To:
Subject: RE: Palin’s email theftIf Gov. Palin hadn’t been using a consumer-level Yahoo! account (more than one, actually) this crime wouldn’t have happened because the hacker exploited the service’s “forgot-my-password” mechanism, which is inherently insecure.
Previously disclosed e-mails indicate her administration embraced Yahoo! Accounts, among other reasons, because of questions over whether personal e-mail accounts are covered under Alaska’s Open Records Act. Palin’s critics in Alaska were poring over records they had obtained from the governor’s office of official internal e-mail communications and causing political hay.
The issues are inextricably linked.
The AP publicized Palin’s other personal e-mail accounts, as well as her husband’s, which were derived from information obtained illegally by the hacker. Bridis says having Yahoo accounts is an open invitation for hackers and that the victims are to blame for invasions of privacy.
By refusing to cooperate with the federal investigation into the hacking crime and publicizing the Palins’ other personal Yahoo e-mail account information, the AP openly invited hackers to break into those family accounts as well and endorsed illicit activity to raid private family photos.
The issues are inextricably linked, to borrow a phrase, and raise questions about the propriety of AP’s continued flacking for Barack Obama under the guise of objective journalism.
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Ace: “Even by the hacker’s account, and AP’s, there is no official business hidden in the emails. So what the f*** are they doing claiming that if she hadn’t illegally used private emails to hide state communications, the crime wouldn’t have happened?”
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And if you had a brain, we’d hold you partly responsibe for the drivel you write.
Perhaps you should make an effort to show that she is guilty of some wrongdoing BEFORE you try to pin blame on her.
Needless to say, you have no problem with the activities of your fellow libtard.
Why? It’s concerns are not rational. It most likely does not believe a word it is writing here. It knows it’s full of crap, and its mission is to shift the topic of debate from yet another example of Democratic crookedness and try to smear the innocent party.
If this was liberal site, anyone pulling blusocs garbage would be banned instantly.
what?
You’re clearly not smart enough to be able to turn on a computer yourself, so who does it for you?
What sort of moron thinks that “appointment book” in computerese has anything to do with appointing judges?
Nobody is really this stupid, not even a libtard.
Tell me, you pathetic knumbskull, what evidence is there that she was doing any such thing? And by “evidence” I mean exactly that, not the infantile speculations of your fellow moonbats.
Anyone looking for another way to drop Mr. Bridis a friendly note can use his publicly accessible Facebook page:
With plenty of helpful links to the pages of all his friends that report at the AP, too.
Using AP logic all victims are the guilty party!
AP=absolutely pathetic
Need a warrant to seize every piece of electronics that AP owns, computers, PDAs, cell phones, etc. And since they opened the justification that Palin was using her personal Yahoo account for government business, every piece of electronics owned by every employee of AP, from stringers to the CEO, and their family members. To be served at 3 AM. And run them through an extensive forensics evaluation.
A bunch of uneducated, no father, low IQ, welfare, anchor baby producing, crack using, gang membered, tattooed, head shaking, finger wagging, TV addicted, dread locked, no job, rap loving, Obama supporting losers that hope the dope will take my tax money to let them get fat and produce more unfathered babies… and you think they can’t be that stupid. OH PHU-LEESE!
I have a rational concern for you to address:
Assume Palin never in her life used her personal email account to converse with any other government official ever… not even to wish them a happy birthday…
Then assume that a rumor is spread around to the effect that she does, and it is purely this rumor that sparks the interest which leads to hacking.
#1 Is it then your claim that Palin is responsible for the hacking because of an unconfirmed rumor that she never started?
#2 How does the truth of the rumor in any way/shape/form affect the illegal manner in which it was checked?
#3 What gives any private citizen so much indisputable right that not only can he issue himself search warrants, but he can also shift blame to his victims for his usurpation of the justice system?
Bub, you’re being treated far more respectfully than your behavior warrants. Faced with criminal behavior by Democratic operative, you have fixed your tiny mind like a tiny laser beam on the notion that it is Palin who has done something wrong.
You make some good points regarding the distinction between government business and classified government business.
Unfortunately, because it’s in a personal account, we really don’t know if it was used for anything classified. I think it would be better (and more transparent) policy to conduct ALL government business over (more) secure government servers. I think most people would agree with the last point.
Yep, I think even DARPA would step back and let Gore have the glory for this one.
Since you apparently missed my last comment, let me reiterate. “A reasonable person could suppose” or some such is conjecture. Evidence is:
Oh well, that makes it OK then, excuse us for asking.
Last I knew breaking into anyone’s email account was illegal and even though when he’s caught he might use the consumer email defense but I bet the Judge won’t care too much at sentencing.
Isn’t publicly exposing illegally obtained private information a crime?
Apparently you’re not aware that the Chinese have hacked pretty much every secure system the Pentagon has. It made the news some time ago.
Apparently not. What I heard earlier today was that the person who initially illegally obtained the emails in the first place — i.e., the “hacker” is the one who committed the crime.
No, you moron, you don’t. But somehow you have managed not to let that little detail impede you from repeatedly saying that you do know what it was used for.
Guess what, Einstein? Every public official in the country has a private email address.
Flenser:
The reason I try to rationally address anyone’s concerns is not just to address them specifically, but also more broadly to speak to anyone else who may be confused by those concerns, but is still within the reach of reason. I don’t think anyone is beyond reach given enough patience… although sometimes that amount of patience is indeed quite beyond human capability
If the concerns were “She was hiding Boosh’s 9/11 Tr00th Emalez!” then no, I wouldn’t bother to address such illegitimate concerns. In this case I can see many reasonable people having similar questions about security.
Khyris:
1. No. Her responsibility is completely dependent on whether she actually did perform government business on the email (mind you not in a legal sense, only an ethical one). If a valet service leaves keys unattended, they are held partially responsible for any thefts that occur.
2. I think I answered this question in number 1.
3. Even if Palin is (partially) responsible, that does not mean that the hacker is allowed to hack, just as a car thief would still be prosecuted if the valet is held liable.
Let me know if you don’t think these answers are sufficient.
personally I don’t believe some poster on /b/ to be a very reliable source. I also have not been claiming I know that Palin conducted gov’t business. I merely said there is some evidence.
I won’t be able to respond to anyone else for a little while, but I may get around to it later in the night. Have a good night.
Accessory after the fact. I wonder how Bridis will react to that?
ECS
http://theturkeyfootbrand.blogspot.com/
But you do consider the NYT to be a reliable source? If you’re a Paul supporter, I’m the tooth fairy.
We’ll miss your insightful remarks.
because the guys in the white coats are coming with the straight jacket. They told me what would happen if they caught me playing on the computer again.
I find this extremely disturbing.
If I’m reading this right, I’m seeing “If you refuse to give in to demands to read your personal emails to prove you did something wrong in a case trumped up for partisan gain, then you get what’s coming to you when a hacker illegally digs through your personal accounts.”
Wow.
Bluesoc:
I think the problem here is the way you are discussing this implies you are not making a distinction between her responsibilities as a public official under Freedom of Information Act (which she has), and her culpability for the commission of fraud (of which she would be completely innocent in any legal sense)
If this impression is incorrect, then at least you understand why you are meeting such resistance to that perception. If this IS the case you are trying to make, that these two are indisparate, then we will not agree.
Even in your valet example, the valet would be Yahoo!, not Palin. If your old Chevy is stolen, the police will not hold you accountable because you weren’t driving your Mercedes with the thumbprint scanner that night… Who you drove in your car has no bearing to the theft. IF you were in the act of transporting a minor across state lines, it STILL wouldn’t make you culpable for your car’s theft in any way. If the person who stole your car did so because they were suspicious you weren’t the kid’s legal guardian, STILL not culpable.
This concept is important to uphold, because if we don’t, then society degenerates to where every adoptive parent will have their car stolen. For that reason, Palin must be held entirely blameless for the hacking. If there is legally obtainable evidence of other wrongdoing, that can be addressed seperately.
yeah….talk about some twisted thinking. This is what happens when you are left to your own devices.
Powerpro
Spot On
OH SNAP!!! I now have 6 new friends with REAL names!!!
Like:
Bruce and Laura and Travis and JJ and Ian
It appears Teddy doesn’t have a clue:
His Facebook page…
Him reporting on AP alerting a college student she was under subpoena for illegally downloading songs.
Bridis reporting on a flaw that could be used to gain access to thousands of internet sites.
Teddy reporting on a Yahoo attack in 2000.
…and a Bridis listing on a page with Al Jazeera.
Bridis seems to think guilt by assertion is OK, so I think Bridis may have given the hackers pointers in hacking Palin’s account since he is familiar with Yahoo hacks, and may be connected to al Jazeera.
And Paula and Jessica and Jeff and Bob and Julie and Ann and Marcia and Tom and Bruce and Mark and
::sigh:: Ted knows too many people
ITS A TRAPPPPPP!!! RUNNNNNNN!!!!!!!
I certainly don’t support The AP, my one-time employer (over 25 years ago), but in fairness, there isn’t much they could add to the investigation. Odds are the reporter just got his information off the Gawker web site. It’s not like he has any real information — but its the principle of the thing. They’ll nail the little crap weasel — I have a friend who used to do this sort of thing for the Secret Service. He’s retired now, but I have every confidence they’ll learn who did it. My only concern is whether they’ll actually prosecute — which they most certainly should.
It’s the old liberal moral equivalency situation here. Because she may have been using her personal email account to communicate with other government officials, then it’s OK because she’s a governor, and everything should be open and transparent.
This is beyond ridiculous. The problem here is they exposed her personal emails illegally, her photos, her husband’s email addresses, along with other email addresses, and that justifies the hacking into her email account?
Then I guess it’s OK to hack into anyone’s email account because they “may” be using it for reasons other than personal use?
This is not the way to go about it. What part of hacking into an email account is a crime did they not get?
Relax. Within two years drones like Bridis will be out on the street accosting you on your morning commute with signs saying
“Will invade privacy and destroy reputations for food”
Amazing that the same people who wail about the government accessing private discussions via a regulated process on the basis of national security have absolutely no problem with a private citizen breaking into another persons personal communications for their own amusement.
Mind boggling.
Using Bridis’ rationalization, then, blame Bridis’ for having a face…blame a fetus for being alive…
If you’d bothered to follow the link, you’d have found out that the “poster” was actually the hacker. You lazy, hairbrained, paulistic nut, you.
Well put. You have a lot more patience than I do.
In other words, ‘her skirt was too short, she asked for it.’
If Palin had been using her government account to send private or political emails wouldn’t she also be in trouble? Sounds like a real darned if you do and darned if you don’t situation. Didn’t one of the ethics charges she made against someone involve using their government email account improperly? To me that would mean that she’d have to be extra pure about not using her government acccount improperly, and would err on the side of using a private account. I assume lawmakers are outside of those rules (I think that political use of their government accounts is still forbidden)
I know I’m not alone in this perspective, I just know I’m not: isn’t the Left going to hair-brained extents to even TRY to “explain” or justify this hacking event? The AP reporter’s response is infinitely trying in the sense that he appears to assume he’s even making sense (he isn’t).
I now understand what highway patrol officers go through when they stop people who are speeding and they say…
Bingo. Charges need to be filed if the AP continues to refuse to cooperate.
MSM (AP)= double standards. Got that, Sarah Palin? Don’t mess with our messiah, okay?
The dying, old media becoming more and more pointless by the second….
I mistakenly placed this in another thread, so I thought I would put it in the correct one. Clumsy me.
No one should be surprised in the least that the MSM is making this out to be all GOVERNOR Palin’s fault.
After all, it is the Liberal’s way with any victim of a crime. They are constantly claiming victimhood for the perpetrator, making it always seem like it is the victim who is to blame.
From a break-in of someone’s house:
“They should have had better locks/burglar alarm/less items of value. They were just asking for trouble”
To a mugging on the street, ‘What were they doing in that part of town/should not have dressed that way/should not have carried that much money/jewelry”
To murder: “Well, you can’t blame the guy. He was abused as a child/was called names in school/is confused about sexuality and was made to feel that way because of archaic Conservatives and their beliefs”
So now, they are harping on GOVERNOR Palin for using the same e-mail that MILLIONS of others use, including countless people who mock her now.
Never put the blame for a crime on the actual person who committed it. It is never their fault. Blame the victim for being too stupid to not have prevented it in the first place.
This is why our prisons are full beyond capacity with innocent men and women.
Don’t think so? just ask them, they will tell you just how innocent they are. It should be the victims in there, not the criminals.
So its Palin’s fault her email was hacked…just like it was the democratic Party’s fault their office was burglarized in 1972??
It’s one rule (one could argue it’s the lack of rules) for the Democrats, and another rule for the Republicans.
bluesoc:
I’m actually not surprised you’re a Paul guy. No disrespect, but the guy is out there. Like in another planet out there. I respect him on some things but others, well, unfortunately, not so much.
What is your evidence that any kind of “classified” information was ever exchanged/discussed on Palin’s yahoo account? How much actual exposure does Palin have to classified material? I know more people in the military world who discuss classified material as part of their jobs then I’m sure Palin was ever exposed to as a governor.
I’m sure that Palin has been “briefed” on classified info exchange protocol and anybody who regularly uses classified material would never, I mean never, exchange that kind of info over a public email account. That’s not only a violation of the law, of ethics, but of common sense.
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I find the whole hysteria over whether or not Palin conducts government business on her personal Yahoo account a bit bemusing myself. When I worked for a Naval contractor (until recently), I had two separate accounts, one work, one personal (more my home account). However, I would occasionally need to use my home account to access my email from work remotely. I’m sure this is how Palin approached this and this is something that I don’t see as wrong. It’s a busy world, and when you live 600(?) miles away from the capitol, you don’t have direct access to the government server.
I’m sorry, but I’m not even remotely interested in mundane business such as appointments, unofficial tasks, or saying happy birthday to one’s coworkers. I also don’t think that it is the public’s business to know what is on Palin’s personal email. I would hope that Palin would know the difference between official and unofficial business and which email account to use it for. Again, I think this is a bit of fluffy hysteria on both the part of the citizenry and media.
Oh, and while we’re on the subject of the media, I’m so reassured that they’re in the business of making personal judgements as to who qualifies as a hacker victim and who deserves it the most. I’m really satisfied that the AP aren’t as concerned about the personal emails between their Messiah and his followers or Joe Biden and whoever licks his boots. I’m sure because either they’re a)men, b)Dems, and c) not Sarah Palin, that the way they conduct both their personal vs. congressional business via their email accounts will never come up.
The way Palin commutes between her personal and professional email is a lot like I, and perhaps a lot of other multi-tasking professionals around the country, have conducted each sector of our lives. I cannot believe that we’re disseminating the best manner in which to now conduct “official business,” especially when you’re away from the office. This is way overblown…. it’s nice to see the media can puzzle it out for us mere mortals.
Where to begin? There’s secure (as in, behind a firewall) and then there’s Secure – as in dealing with classified information. Anyone – ANYONE – with access to classified information is apprised of the dire, DIRE consequences of unauthorized dissemination of said information.
I am going to give the Gov the benefit of the doubt and opine she wasn’t discussing classified matters on her Yahoo account.
You yahoo.
This all goes simply to the attempt to make people think there is something more to these emails. I saw some tool from Politico on TV the other day pushing the same idea. He noted that it was wrong but he kept noting that it could lead to other damaging emails—even though NO emails of any official governmental substance were found. THEY are trying to creating something out of nothing….oh and blaming the victim too.
It would appear the hacker and the AP are excrebly linked.
One can not control another’s addressing you in an email. We also began with yahoo accounts, then got sg.gov accounts this year.
So if I steal your credit card statements out of your “unsecured” mailbox on the street, it’s really your fault….right?
I smell another Rathergate in the making. Brace yourselves for a fake email about “Troopergate” come late October.
Allow to me “fix” the AP email…
Basically, my edit says precisely what the AP is saying. Are we sickened enough by the AP yet?
AP and the rest of the old MSN have stepped over the line big time, no pretence of “objectivity” they are totally partisan. And now that they are over the line how far are they to go. The word is out that they will pay for crimes committed against conservatives? And protect the criminals. Will they pay for assault? How much for Battery?
This is exactly what I expect from the AP. I have alway complained about the AP shoveling stories all over the place with the famous reporter named “AP” signing. There is no one person to hold accountable, they can say what they want , lie, smear, slime , and wiggle like a dog when a liberal Dem like Obama, or Kennedy say wiggle. The AP and all those who print their dribble hide behind the 1st amendment and use it to attack all other rights.
If I took my 2nd Amd rights to their extreme I would have a tank on my lawn to keep liberal Dems on the road.
I stopped reading anything that wasn’t signed by name a long time ago.
Come on AP. Do something just once in your slimy lives to contribute something to the system that keeps you eating.
Well yes, but not because of that. It is that they should never have had credit cards in the first place. See, if they didn’t have the cards, you would not have been tempted to get the statements in the first place, thus it is their responsibility for your criminal life.
To socialists, like those at AP (enablers of terrorist supporting photogs) society is the cause of all crime. “If only we cared for these people properly, they would not have been -forced- to do these things.”
Personal Responsibility? Not in their version of the English Language.
Has anyone ever heard a kid say “if you say no, I’ll just….” Translation – I’m not responsible for what will happen if I don’t get what I want.
This attitude is no surprise to me. We live in an increasingly hateful, disrespectful, ugly society. Where greed, self indulgence, and a hedonistic lifestyle wins the battle (but it won’t win the war). The intensity of the ugliness and hatred correlates with the increasing popularity of the leftist “culture” since the 60s. You can’t blame one segment of society – no man is an island. Despite the belief “if it doesn’t hurt anyone it’s ok.” What people do, does hurt everyone.
corrections
Was she sending personal emails from work? If so, I guess the state has a right to read them… They do at my work.
Relativism, where the motive outweighs the crime.
I don’t get it. Alaska bureaucracy is so concerned about public email accounts that they make it “illegal”? Given the abundance of serious issues to contend with I find it hard to believe there are laws regarding something so trivial. And does it mean because I have a Hotmail account that I am stupid and deserve to have my privacy similarly violated? What the hell kind of convoluted “logic” is that exactly? We all know you must destroy Palin to preserve your empty Marxist suit’s latest entitlement (this time) to the White House but really, you leftists are floundering in deep water.
I wish they’d all just shut up and let us vote for cryin out loud!
Oh, I get it; because I have a SS#, it’s my fault if my identity gets stolen?
All crime is the result of conservativism!
Mea culpa.
Please, please, someone show me the PROOF that Gov. Palin did anythng wrong. Someone…Bueller??? I keep hearing that she used her personal e-mail for government business. Did she? Where is the proof? What did she say? Isn’t it slander to accuse someone of something without proof? Is that what we have come to? You don’t need to answer that.
The destruction of various MSM brand names continues as the NYT, AP, Reuters, etc., prove their bias.
That’s his disingenuous excuse and, by golly, he’s sticking to it!
I hope the McCain-Palin Administration freezes out the AP, whenever feasible, like they have NBC/PMSNBC – they deserve it!
Basically, after Gov. Palin’s email account was raped, the AP is saying, “she was asking for it.”
Utterly disgraceful.
Hmmm.. kinda funny — I remember a whole lot of liberals/Democrats lining up to excuse one of their own from mixing personal business with government assets. His name was Bill Clinton, the personal business was named Monica and the government asset was the oval office.
wasn’t lgm here not long ago queefing about how it wasn’t a borrower’s fault they couldn’t pay off a loan? It was the banks’ fault, right? The poor professional defaulters were misled.
(with props to DieHippieDie for the ‘queef’ thing)
Why have a congress, just let AP determine what the law is?
Journalism is dead.
We should start a pool.
I say that Matt Damon will play the role of the hacker in the new blockbuster thriller on how the valiant patriotic college kid fought the evil Palinator who was trying to bring down the country by helping the satanic capitalist-roader McBusHitler to win the election so he could tear up the constitution, declare himself king and re-enslave the black race.
I’m sure there are dozens of screenwriters working on it as we speak.
Actually, no. Personal e-mails are not covered under FOIA.
Try again!
ETA:
and WTF? The state didn’t hack her account! Some dumb-ass college kid did.
The state has the right to read your personal email? Where do you live, China?
This is unfortunately now well beyond “flacking for Barack Obama”… this is “flacking for a communist police state”.