Smirky: If you don’t pay higher taxes, you hate your country!

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 18, 2008 10:31 AM

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  1. #1
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:33 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Wow, that’s rich, Joe. :roll:

  2. #2
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am, jencab said:

    Thos is coming from a guy who doesn’t give much to charity.

  3. #3
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am, RedDog said:

    This guy has lost his mind! Talk about chutzpah! A $ 1.5 trillion Federal budget and this gasbag thinks they need more.

  4. #4
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:37 am, rplatt said:

    Good God that man is stupid . . . if this is what we have become then it’s all over for this poor sick Republic.

  5. #5
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am, The Master said:

    Tax loopholes are a God-given right! There’s nothing LESS patriotic than giving more of our hard-earned money to the morons in Congress to flush down the toilet. Love to see the tax returns of all the rich liberals like Obama, Pelosi, Bill and Hillary, etc. I’m sure they do everything possible to avoid paying taxes.

  6. #6
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:41 am, DBNinKY said:

    Biden told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday that, in his words, “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”

    Oh that funny, funny man! Most hilarious thing I’ve read since Uh..Um, aka, B. Hussein Obama, tried to explain U.S. monetary policy and the tax code on O’Reilly.

  7. #7
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:42 am, RedDog said:

    My bad….. the budget is really $2.9 trillion not $1.5. I missed it by a factor of two and given the latest money printing exercise, it looks like the Feds will too!

  8. #8
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:42 am, dj said:

    It also kind of irritates me that Biden calls McCain “John” rather than Senator McCain… I know they are on a first name basis, but it seems to be a method of subtle belittlement. I’m not sure but it seems like I only noticed him doing this recently.

  9. #9
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:43 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Uh, where have you been? The Bush proposed federal budget for next year is $3.1 Trillion. I long for the days when the budget was ONLY $1.5 Trillion….

    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am, RedDog said:
    This guy has lost his mind! Talk about chutzpah! A $ 1.5 trillion Federal budget and this gasbag thinks they need more.

  10. #10
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:44 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    From the Hot Air Blog…

    Who were two of the CEOs who got big bailout packages from the Fannie/Freddie GSEs? Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines. Which candidate has them as advisers to his campaign? Barack Obama.

  11. #11
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am, tarpon said:

    Obiden is not very smart, is he.

  12. #12
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:46 am, txvet2 said:

    I can’t wait to see Obama close the tax loopholes for his friends, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett – There’s about 65-70 billion in revenue right there.

  13. #13
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:47 am, cpodug said:

    Question, Smirky – Does that patriotic tax hike apply equally to members of Congress and Senators, as well as us poor, benighted working slobs? Or is this another case of higher taxes for thee, but not for me?

  14. #14
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:47 am, txvet2 said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am, tarpon said:

    Obiden is not very smart, is he.

    He thinks he is, but there is absolutely nothing in the way of supporting documentation and you sure couldn’t prove it by his VP pick.

  15. #15
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:48 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    I guess Charles Rangel is unpatriotic.

  16. #16
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:48 am, guspapa said:

    As soon as Congress quits spending my tax money to bail out their favorite failed banking buddies, insurance companies etc I might consider it. We are paying for the bail out of Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns, AIG and Shearson Leahman Brothers, who has benefitted from these bailouts?

    Scumbag Dems I will manage my own money in the future and if there were ever justification for the public to overthrow this illegal, sick bunch of jerks it is now

  17. #17
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:48 am, RedDog said:

    2008 United States federal budget From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2008 was a spending request by President George W. Bush to fund government operations for October 2007-September 2008. Figures shown in this article do not reflect the actual appropriations by Congress for Fiscal Year 2008.

    Total receipts
    Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2008 were $2.66 trillion.
    $1.25 trillion – Individual income tax
    $927.2 billion – Social Security and other payroll taxes
    $314.9 billion – Corporate income tax
    $68.1 billion – Excise taxes
    $29.2 billion – Customs duties
    $25.7 billion – Estate and gift taxes
    $50.7 billion – Other

    Total spending
    The President’s budget for 2008 totals $2.9 trillion.

  18. #18
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:48 am, Dimsdale said:

    Biden was the epitomy of faked rage yesterday on the Early Show.

    If Biden is “smirky,” can we call Obama “smarmy?”

  19. #19
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:49 am, txvet2 said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:47 am, cpodug said:

    Question, Smirky – Does that patriotic tax hike apply equally to members of Congress and Senators, as well as us poor, benighted working slobs? Or is this another case of higher taxes for thee, but not for me?

    Are you kidding? They need the tax increase to pay for their pay and benefits increases. After all, they can’t take as much (on the table) from lobbyists anymore.

  20. #20
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:49 am, md1964 said:

    Donating to Charity or those in need is patriotic…

    …the gov’t forcing you to give to THEIR favorite Charities, is outright Communism.

    We’ve seen that song and dance before, it’s called Cuba and Venezuella. I say No thanks!!!

  21. #21
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:50 am, changer1701 said:

    Plugs is a joke. I want him to start demonstrating his patriotism by writing a big ‘ol fat check to Uncle Sam. Do it, Joe…put your money where your big fat mouth is and show all of us how committed you are to giving more to your fellow man.

  22. #22
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:51 am, Yashmak said:

    I recall reading a report showing clearly that after the tax cuts, tax revenues actually increased, and when taxes were increased, tax revenues actually declined. An inconvenient truth for Biden.

  23. #23
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:52 am, twiggman said:

    Man I love it when a plan comes together…

  24. #24
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:52 am, txvet2 said:

    I wonder if their legislation will require Al Franken pay his taxes.

  25. #25
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:52 am, Paul Revere said:

    OMG…funny. This is exactly what Americans want to hear. Thank you for choosing Biden, David Axelrod!

  26. #26
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am, bloghooligan said:

    i dare democrats to set up an option on tax returns that allows people to voluntarily give more money to the treasury.

    wait, how about democrats make a pledge to all fill out the 1040EZ form and not take deductions. heh.

  27. #27
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am, Mister P said:

    Here is my quote for politicians.
    If you waste our taxpayer money you both hate our country and us.

  28. #28
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am, sonofdy said:

    BUT BUT BUT Obama said he would CUT taxes!!!!!

    :roll: Biden is just getting the sheep ready for the fleecing. MRS Obama just said college will be made affordable for everyone. CHA CHING. Nationalised health care CHA-CHING. Increasing tax cuts to those who don’t pay any. CHA-CHING. All this is adding up so no wonder he is preping the ground for massive tax increases.

  29. #29
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am, theoldpath said:

    How about having a congress (and president) that understand that not bankrupting America and living within the federal government’s means is PATRIOTIC.

    The government seems to be addicted to more and more spending. As Governor Palen has said, they are high on OPM (other people’s money). They need to weaned from the bottle by an America that has had enough!!!

  30. #30
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Give this man a microphone and keep him in whatever it is that will keep that mouth rolling. Most especially when discussing taxes. The little people don’t like taxes as most of us are already drowning in them. Raising taxes is never a good thing. But shhhh, don’t tell Dems.

  31. #31
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am, DesertLover said:

    LMAO …

    Anyone else beginning to think that Joe B. is actually an undercover Clinton operative working to ensure that BO doesn’t get elected POTUS so that Shrillary can run again in 2012? …

    Just wondering … :lol:

  32. #32
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am, sonofdy said:

    i dare democrats to set up an option on tax returns that allows people to voluntarily give more money to the treasury.

    I have heard this is already possiable.

  33. #33
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am, FamilyMan said:

    WELL!
    That’s a good line in the sand.

  34. #34
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:57 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Hey Smirky Plugs! Ever hear of the American Revolution? Not paying taxes is Patriotic!

  35. #35
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:57 am, Salukidog said:

    Once again Libs try to redefine patriotism. If they win the White House we will all be sent to reeducation camps to learn obama patriotism!

    Speaking of obama, I cam across an interesting blog, that needs to get circulated, and hopefully picked up as a Talking Point for the McCain camp.

    href=”http://smartgirlpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-wants-reform-and-change-but-will.html”>

  36. #36
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:57 am, willie peter said:

    Joe, what’s your take on Teddy Kennedy stashing his family money in an off shore trust?

    Oh and Joe, why are you and Obama so gleeful about the stock market tanking?

    Hey Joe, GFY!

  37. #37
    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:59 am, KitFox said:

    Sounds to me like the Senator is in need of a little history lesson–this country was founded in large part because of the frustration of everyday people–the original patriots–with exorbidant taxes. Trying to pass off bloated liberal tax increases as a demonstration of patriotism shouldn’t fool a third-grader.

    Though, given the teachers in charge of most third-graders…

  38. #38
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am, bayou22 said:

    Perfect example of why this country is in the economic mess we’re in.

    When you have people whose only skill in life is to get elected or re-elected charged with oversight of financial markets, this is the type of policy advice you get. Biden has no more a grasp of economics than I do of nuclear (nucular?) physics.

    The fact that Wall Street is corrupt with greed doesn’t help matters.

    Common sense is dead (well, except for most of what’s posted here. You folks tend to be spot on…)

  39. #39
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:01 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am, tarpon said:

    Obiden is not very smart, is he.

    Oh, but you see he is. Claims he has three degrees, and graduated at the top of his class!

    In reality, he was a double major, and graduated at the bottom off his class.

    But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

  40. #40
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:01 am, GladzKravtz said:

    Anyone else beginning to think that Joe B. is actually an undercover Clinton operative working to ensure that BO doesn’t get elected POTUS so that Shrillary can run again in 2012? …

    or he’s setting himself up to be canned by Obama so Hill can step in….

  41. #41
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:02 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    twiggman said:

    Man I love it when a plan comes together…

    McCain’s on that jazz.

  42. #42
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:02 am, CorpsmanPinoy said:

    No wonder we haven’t heard from him that much lately. We hear little bit of this, a little bit of that and when do hear from him it’s the ugly. Are they hiding him somewhere?

  43. #43
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:03 am, Misscheryl said:

    tarpon said:
    Obiden is not very smart, is he.

    No, doesn’t say much for those who vote for him does it? Or those who pick him as their running mate. saawwoooooshhhh! That’s the sound of our money getting flushed if Obama-bin-biden gets elected.

  44. #44
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:03 am, MikeOK said:

    I’m outraged! How dare Joe Biden question John Kerry’s patriotism?

    Or Al Franken’s … or Charlie Rangel’s … or John Edwards’ … or Dick Gephart’s … or Ted Kennedy’s … or …

  45. #45
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am, Right By-The-Sea said:

    Biden’s out telling the sheeple to be patriotic and dig deep, while Obama’s out telling his minions to “argue and get in their faces” when encountering those who disagree with their liberalism. Chicago street thug tactics at their finest.

  46. #46
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am, max said:

    It’s a storybook man….

    yeah, “A Tale Told by an Idiot”

  47. #47
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:05 am, TxSkirt said:

    I can’t wait for the VP debate! Gov. Palin is going to embarrass this pinhead.

    You know what the problem is don’t you? He doesn’t have any press following him so he’s staying outrageous things so some one will pay attention to him. Seems even the person he shares the ticket with is avoiding him. Was Joe invited to the shindig in Hollywood? Not on your life.

  48. #48
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:09 am, radio relay said:

    “roughly 121 million Americans—or 41 percent of the U.S. population—will be completely outside the federal income tax system”

    So I guess 41% of the people in the U.S. “hate their country”. Is that right, Joe?

    Reference: The Tax Foundation

  49. #49
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:16 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    You got me Joe! Cold busted! Because you’re right, I have run out of patriotism. What can I say? I probably used up most of it when I served in the Armed Forces when I was younger. It was bound to run out sooner or later…

    Fortunately, you seem to have plenty to spare, so if you can cover me for a while, I would really appreciate it. Meanwhile, Im going to keep working on the trickle-down theory and supply-side economics policies, because my welfare check just isnt covering my bills at the moment.

  50. #50
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:18 am, Henry said:

    Whip out your checkbook Slow Joe, and lead by example.

  51. #51
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:18 am, madchef said:

    Cutting spending would be more patriotic. Stop giving our money away, that would be patriotic. Letting the ban on drilling on the OCS would be VERY patriotic!

  52. #52
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:20 am, Rob said:

    Two different views of the world… and never the twain shall meet.

  53. #53
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am, MES401067 said:

    Yea that $354.00 in charitable donations maybe he could double it.

  54. #54
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am, Regulus said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am, jencab said:

    This is coming from a guy who doesn’t give much to charity.

    Ah, but in the liberal mind making someone else pay higher taxes is “Giving to charity.” Regular 21st Century Robin Hoods, they are.

  55. #55
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:28 am, sonofdy said:

    Related, the reason Ried is not going to do anything about the economy:

    One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is that “no one knows what to do” at the moment.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aVPBaUbYV_qQ

    I am SSSSOOOOOOO impressed by this democratic congress. There is an economic problem happening and the DNC response? F$%^ it, I am going fishing…

  56. #56
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:30 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service is trying to collect billions of dollars in late taxes from nearly half a million federal employees.
    Documents obtained by WTOP radio through the Freedom of Information Act show the federal employees and retirees did not pay more than $3.5 billion in taxes owed last year.

    The agency with the most delinquent employees was the U.S. Postal Service. Nearly 4.2 percent of its 747,000 workers are delinquent.

    The IRS would not provide comparable data for the general population.

  57. #57
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:32 am, wighttrasch said:

    A Sale of Two Twitties

  58. #58
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:36 am, OldSailor said:

    If Joe wants more money, why doesn’t he close exempt status on off-shore accounts and Trust funds? OOOPS!! Can’t do that! That would upset Nancy, Teddy K., John Kerry and John Edwards!!!
    <>

  59. #59
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:41 am, maisy said:

    Jackaxe!

  60. #60
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:44 am, Marc said:

    The media does not make Biden admit that when he stated that his parents and grandparents were coalminers, he was lying and stealing Neil Kinnock’s working class background. Nobody in the media makes Biden answer the question: “Why did you lie about your parents’ background and your grandpa’s background?”. Biden, for 25 years now, has said he only borrowed a little rhetoric from Kinnock. The media does not make Biden admit that he lied when he said he graduated in the top half of his law school class at Syracuse. Actually, he finished 76 out of 85 students, which is about as bad as you can get. Biden is a media darling so he his shady mendacious background never gets exposed. Nor does the media explain how Biden’s son Beau can get a top level justice department job after flunking the bar exam.

  61. #61
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:46 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am, sonofdy said:

    MRS Obama just said college will be made affordable for everyone..

    Maybe this is why it needs to be affordable for everyone… I guess someones salary should be lowered a little bit.

    From Drudge: “Denver college professor assigns students to write essay critical of Palin…”

    http://cbs4denver.com/local/palin.essay.denver.2.820285.html

    :) Which explains the comment on this one
    http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=626211

  62. #62
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am, shooter said:

    On a side note, how many of these Senators and congressmen make JUST UNDER $250,000.00? Not quite RICH?

  63. #63
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am, Master Shake said:

    Perhaps if DemocRATs were capable of actual patriotism, they wouldn’t have to keep making up their own definitions of what is “patriotic”.

  64. #64
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am, lgm said:

    While Barack Obama tries to call John McCain a “liar” for saying Obama will raise taxes on a wide swath of Americans,

    Obama’s plan calls for increasing taxes on a narrow “swath” of Americans, those that make more than $200,000/year. This is not the middle class by any definition of “middle”.

    America’s economic woes have nothing to do with taxes.

    Economists including Alan Greenspan disagree. Our huge budget deficits depress the dollar and put Uncle Sam in competition with the private sector in borrowing.

  65. #65
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    I think the point is lost in the obvious. The donks could come right out and say they are going to raise taxes – on everybody – and this will still be close.

    The truth is, after all of these bailouts, our taxes are going to go up. Why don’t they just tell us the truth? Oh, we are too involved on who is going to be one Dancing to care. Well, too many of us are.

    How about a new “reality” show? “How the Gooberment is Running Us into the Ground” staring our best do-nothing congress and its do-nothing mouth piece – San Fran Nan. I guess it would be a horror show really.

  66. #66
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:56 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am, lgm said:
    Obama’s plan calls for increasing taxes on a narrow “swath” of Americans

    NARROW SWATH????

    You really are “The Idiot” if you think that it is a narrow swath that make over $200k/year.

  67. #67
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am, swmntman said:

    Memo to Slow-Joe — The American electorate is about ready to throw the Obama-Obiden tea into the harbor. How in the world does this guy keep getting elected? Let’s give the war-hero and the moose-hunter a shot at running this country!

  68. #68
    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:59 am, pueblo1032 said:

    Boy, I am going to have to stop by CHURCH today, and light a CANDLE in thanks for BIDEN… He must surely be a GIFT FROM ABOVE… He just won’t stop giving…

  69. #69
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, DBNinKY said:

    If catastrophically elected, Obama’s tax increases will end the middle class, through excessive unemployment and out of control government spending on social programs, while shifting more citizens into dependent poverty than even the Great Depression. That’s a fact!

    Obama has no experience with implementing budgets and exercising fiscal responsibility in anything. He is unfit and ill prepared to be President. In particular, his surrounding himself with people like Jim Johnson, Frank Raines and Tom Dascle shows just how fiscally corrupt an Obama administration would be in managing our economy.

    Go President McCain and VP Palin – economic stability we can believe in!

  70. #70
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, uhangtight said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am, lgm said:

    First, lgm, greenspan’s partially responsible for the fiasco we now have with the financial markets. He is not the ‘economist of trust’ you make him out to be, but a liberal hack.

    Exports are up and can you explain why our exports are up? Because the value of the dollar is low. When the dollar was strong our exports were low, why? Because the ratio of the dollar to other currencies was too high which prevented the countries from purchasing our products.

    And by definition of middle, in California 500,000.00 a year is Middle Class. I don’t know what state you live in, but middle class is determined by the cost of living in your state.

    Obamitler wants to raise the capital gains tax. This is directly tied to the financial markets we saw crumbling this week, how do you thing this will impact those markets if investing in them is going to be double taxed? Also, as 60% of americans now invest in stock markets guess who is going to be impacted by the capital gains tax, yep you guessed it the ‘middle class’.

    Obamitler wants to provide tax breaks for 90-95% of the population, gee 40% of this populatin doesn’t pay any tax so what is he going to do? tax them and then turn around and give them half of it back? Yep, you guessed it, in order to provide them a tax break that is exactly what he will have to do. So explain to me lgm, just exactly how does he propose to do that?

    Tell me lgm, just exactly how do these policies prevent a total collapse of the currently strong portions of this economy? exports, cpi, gdp , employment, pce? how.. financial markets are just one industry in a vast array of industries that are strong..

    GEESH, the stupidity of the obamitlerits is baffling and mind boggling.

  71. #71
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, sonofdy said:
    While Barack Obama tries to call John McCain a “liar” for saying Obama will raise taxes on a wide swath of Americans,

    Obama’s plan calls for increasing taxes on a narrow “swath” of Americans, those that make more than $200,000/year. This is not the middle class by any definition of “middle”.

    200,000? Last week it was 250,000. Will it be 150,000 next week? BTW how do you match up Obamas promise to cut taxes to 85% of the population when 40% DON’T PAY ANY TAXES???? You are a math wizz. Work it out.

    America’s economic woes have nothing to do with taxes.

    Economists including Alan Greenspan disagree. Our huge budget deficits depress the dollar and put Uncle Sam in competition with the private sector in borrowing.

    Taxes are Part of the problem, the other, more important part is spending. You can balance the budget by increasing taxes or reducing spending. Obama is PROMISING to increase taxes and INCREASE spending. His spending increase btw far outstrip his promised tax increases.

  72. #72
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, Send_Me said:

    Biden and Obama wish to “take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.”
    I don’t need money that someone else has earned. I’m doing just fine by myself, and the mere fact that he thinks that I need help is rather insulting.
    “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
    It’d also be patriotic for a Senator to manage the money of taxpayers in a more fitting manner. Congress can start with a balanced budget, for example. How about paying off some of that debt we’ve been racking up?

  73. #73
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, madchef said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    How about a new “reality” show? “How the Gooberment is Running Us into the Ground” staring our best do-nothing congress and its do-nothing mouth piece – San Fran Nan. I guess it would be a horror show really.

    They already have a show, it’s called “Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader”

  74. #74
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, sonofdy said:

    Oh and when you tax big companies and rich people, guess who they will pass that extra cost on to? You bet, the middle class. Obama MIGHT have a point if he was to reduce spending and increase taxes, but he can do that and keep his promises. LGM, you can do math, do your own damn research. If you honestly did JUST based on the projected tax increase and projected spending increase, you would know Obamas plan is a disaster. If you honestly looked into this, you would either not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote McCain.

  75. #75
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Three trillion dollar budgets and it is still not enough. 500 billion dollar deficits on top of that and it is still not enough.

    Can someone explain to me how much is ENOUGH? I want a dollar amount. I am tired of getting “MORE” as the response.

    This spending by the federal government is obscene and unsustainable. The nation is nearly bankrupt thanks to Democrats AND Republicans over the last 20 years.

    Neither McCain nor Obama have any intention of fixing the fundamental problem of the size of the government.

    Most people assume that McCain would grow the government less rapidly than Obama. But, he has been in Congress for 25+ years when the size of the government has grown by at least 300%. He was in Congress during the last 8 years as government spending grew by a factor of 50%. Why do we assume a McCain administration won’t continue this path? He is certainly no less a big government advocate than Bush.

    Does it really matter whether it is McCain or Obama who finally bankrupts the country?

    Do we really think we can spend at the current Bush rate over the next 4 or 8 years? Can we really afford another $4 trillion in debt if McCain wins?

    Government is the problem and McCain and Obama are part of that government. Neither is the solution. And “lesser” is a relative, and irrelevant term, when the nation is bankrupt.

  76. #76
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, IndependentTom said:

    Government is the problem and McCain and Obama are part of that government. Neither is the solution. And “lesser” is a relative, and irrelevant term, when the nation is bankrupt.

    Wholeheartedly agree…..

  77. #77
    On September 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am, bayou22 said:
    … Biden has no more a grasp of economics than I do of nuclear (nucular?) physics.

    Oh – but you know that you don’t know, so you are WAY WAY ahead of him. He’s clueless.

  78. #78
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, IndependentTom said:

    Oh…not trying to hijack the thread…but on the economic front…good old Chuckie Schumer was the one who personally killed the contracts that would have given us access to Iraqi oil.

    So China got it….(rant off)

  79. #79
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, rambler said:

    How patriotic is it to sit on my rear and be on the dole?
    Obama/Biden
    Morons for POTUS

  80. #80
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, rambler said:
  81. #81
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I love the idea that “the rich” should be taxed more.
    I’ve sometimes asked people if the person who pays their paycheck is richer or poorer than them. Then I ask something to the effect “Should we tax all “rich” people more so that they have less?”. Then I remind them that if the “rich” guy is no longer “rich”, it’s unlikely that “rich” guy will continue to pay their paycheck.
    Funny how the light goes on sometimes. (Unfortunately, for some, apparently the bulb is disconnected or has a broken filament or or or)

  82. #82
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, cheapseat said:

    lgm; if my memory serves, alan greenspan was appointed by clinton, and stayed around through the nasdaq collapse and was still in charge when fannie and freddie were paying off dodd and co. to look the other way while they raided the safe. now, everybody who was feeding at the SUBPRIME GOV’MENT CHEESE TROUGH have resurfaced to ADVISE obama on ECONOMIC POLICY.

  83. #83
    On September 18th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, swmntman said:

    It dawned on me that the approval rate for congress is at historically low levels (in a room full of 100 Americans, only 9 would be applauding at any given time). Obiden’s attacks on the patriotism of those he purports to represent certainly supports those numbers. When did successful, tax-paying, job-creating, payroll-making, risk-taking Americans become the enemy of the state? The Americans that he is attacking already pay the lions share of taxes to the treasury right now – and he questions their patriotism? The arrogance and gaul of Biden and his ilk amaze me — how in the world does this guy stay employed?

  84. #84
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, nyc123me said:

    It’s like dumb and dumber running for Prez (meaning Obama and Biden).

    Scratch that. It IS dumb and dumber.

  85. #85
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, lgm said:

    On-my-soap-box said (#66):

    You (insult omitted) if you think that it is a narrow swath that make over $200k/year.

    Check out the chart and say that.

  86. #86
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Obamitler wants to provide tax breaks for 90-95% of the population, gee 40% of this populatin doesn’t pay any tax so what is he going to do?

    Borrow more from China to cover the difference in the amount he’ll cut from military spending and taxing away investment capitol. The result: massive unemployment and the decimation of the middle class, who summarily move into poverty.

    For the sake of prosperity and our country’s economic solvency, President John McCain will be elected!

  87. #87
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, BrianNY said:

    Ever since I first became aware of Joe Biden from Delaware (a long time ago) my visceral reaction has always been, “Oh Jeez, what does this guy want now.”

    Having recently learned about Biden’s father’s “misfortune” of riches (turning his family’s inherited fortune into a proverbial shoestring)when Joe was only eight years old, I think I have gained a better foothold in trying to understand Joe Biden’s constant need to be both heard and seen as some sort of a “big deal.” In essence, I believe that Joe Biden’s adult life has been a sad, psychological game of overcompensation for a childhood molded by the constant reminder of a father figure who unraveled before his eyes.

    I’d be interested to know if any liberals here can tell me that they admire Joe Biden’s career in Washington, D.C. and why?

  88. #88
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, Yashmak said:

    And by definition of middle, in California 500,000.00 a year is Middle Class.

    – uhangtight

    Wow, is there another California I don’t know about? I mean, Biden is a moron on this issue, but 500k/year is WAY over middle class, even in California where I live. Or maybe they changed the ‘middle-class’ requirement in California to include multiple luxury SUV’s, a home of at least 3500sqft, and a yacht, while I wasn’t paying attention. I make a little over 13% of that annually, and am in the top 10% of wage earners in the state.

    Maybe you meant $50,000/year.

  89. #89
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, DBNinKY said:

    lgm; if my memory serves, alan greenspan was appointed by clinton, and stayed around through the nasdaq collapse and was still in charge when fannie and freddie were paying off dodd and co. to look the other way while they raided the safe.

    Although I think the first President Bush appointed Greenspan and clinton merely lucked-out by keeping him around, you’re absolutely right about the Democrats running wild with tax payer money through Freddie and Fannie – that’s why the housing mess exploded.

    Democrats used Freddie and Fannie to funnel government monies to banks willing to take high-risk housing loans as part of the Democrats’ ill-conceived effort at urbanization; in short, the Democrats social experiment failed and tax payers will now foot the bill for the next century and a half.

    To make matters worse, unemployment numbers are now sure to rise, along with the cost of living, as result of the Democrats half-baked scheme. Great job, Dems!

  90. #90
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, lgm said:
    Check out the chart and say that.

    I checked the chart, IDIOT, and you want to tell me there are only 114,384 total households in the USA??? The population in the USA is 305 Million. That equals 2,600 persons per household.

    I know in my country alone people earning 200k is over 25%. In some parts of Kalifornication, that is an average income. Never let facts get in the way when charts can blind you – Idiot.

  91. #91
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    …my county… fat fingers.

  92. #92
    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, BrianNY said:

    #82 cheapseat said:

    …now, everybody who was feeding at the SUBPRIME GOV’MENT CHEESE TROUGH have resurfaced to ADVISE obama on ECONOMIC POLICY.

    I believe you are specifically refering to Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick.

    BTW, total executive compensation that these three democrats and Obama supporters received over their Fannie Mae tenures (basically paying other democrat politicians in congress to keep regulators off of their backs) exceeds $300 million.

    Dare I suggest that some of this undeserved compensation be recouped and applied to the current Fannie Mae taxpayer price tag?

  93. #93
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, Yashmak said:

    That equals 2,600 persons per household

    – On-my-soap-box

    lol. . .good catch.

  94. #94
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:20 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Bidenomics? It’s called Communism!

  95. #95
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, emjem24 said:

    This man is a joke. He doesn’t really know what it’s like to choke on local and state taxes. I bet he thinks paying assinine taxes like the personal property tax in VA, on stuff like vehicles that many of us are already paying car payments on is “patriotic.” It’s just one smack after another.

    I’m just freaking tired of it. You get smacked by not only the federal government, but the state and local ones as well. We’re paying property taxes for schools that don’t work and they want more!!!

    When are Dems gonna get it? Middle class people are getting hit from all sides. Just because you say you’re not going to “raise taxes” on the middle class doesn’t mean that businesses won’t cut jobs when they get hammered with new taxes.

    I honestly don’t get the logic. I’m also hearing from liberals on a couple of different blogs that the government can cut the military as much as 75% and no big deal. We’ll be okay.

    Where do these Dems get their economic sense?

  96. #96
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Those reporting adjusted gross income of more than $250,000 to the IRS are projected to make up 2 percent of households next year, when the new president will take office. Those folks will earn 24.1 percent of all income, and pay 43.6 percent of all personal federal income taxes, the Tax Policy Center figures. Under Obama, they might pay even more.

    The candidates haven’t said exactly how a $250,000 limit would be applied. But often these figures are meant only for couples filing jointly, and the limit is half that for singles filing alone.

    Joint returns with more than $250,000 adjusted gross income and single returns with more than $125,000 adjusted gross income together are estimated to make up 3.1 percent of households next year. That group is projected to earn 27 percent of all personal income and pay 47.9 percent of all personal federal income taxes in 2009, according to the TPC’s calculations.

    So, the people already burdened with paying the most taxes needs to be burdened with MORE. Seems this tax year, they will pay almost 50% of income tax.

    Tax the rich and give to the poor. No wonder Dimocraps are popular. Problem is, they kill business and put more people on the gooberment teet – not unlike lgm who is already sucking from it.

    Flat rate tax is the only fair tax but would put the IRS goons out of business so it will NEVER happen.

  97. #97
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, BrianNY said:

    Ever since I first became aware of Joe Biden from Delaware (a long time ago) my visceral reaction has always been, “Oh Jeez, what does this guy want now.”

    Having recently learned about Biden’s father’s “misfortune” of riches (turning his family’s inherited fortune into a proverbial shoestring)when Joe was only eight years old…

    Does this help?

    As I listened to this insistence on poverty and lack of formal education as the qualifications for admission to this Party, I began to feel uneasy, and I turned to Alexander Trachtenberg, one of the thirteen on the committee.

    “I don’t think I belong here,” I said. “It is true that my father and mother worked hard, but my father became a successful businessman and we owned a house and I went to college.”

    Trachtenberg, himself a well-educated man, caught the irony in my statement. He stroked his walrus mustache and said reassuringly: “Don’t worry about that. Remember Stalin studied to be a priest and Lenin came from a well-to-do family and studied to be a lawyer. You must be a proletarian or identify yourself with the proletariat. That’s all.”

    As the comrades continued to come before the examining committee the thought came to me that there was not one real worker among them. Foster, though he affected the khaki shirt of a workman, hadn’t done a stroke of work in a long time. He had been sitting in little rooms planning revolutions and conniving for power for twenty-five years. Thompson and Gil Green had graduated from school right into the Young Communist League. Thompson had gone to Spain as a commissar of the Lincoln Brigade and when he returned he worked for the Party, and Gil became a Party functionary at an early age.

    That was the pattern of these American revolutionaries, and I felt as I looked at them that they really could know little about the ordinary worker.

    –From Chapter 13 of “School of Darkness”
    by Bella V. Dodd, Ex-Communist

  98. #98
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, rambler said:

    So they want to tax the rich more. The rich are laughing. If Warren Buffet thinks that he’s not paying enough taxes, he should write a check! He doesn’t have an income to tax. When the rich have holding companies, trust funds, expense accounts, off shore bank accounts, etc, exactly how are these people going to be taxed more? Is Obama or Biden going to expain that to the American public? Maybe Hollywood should cough up more money to help the poor and put their money where their mouth is. Or just put their money in their mouths and shut up.

  99. #99
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    P.S. 3.1% of 305 million people (that includes all children who do not make an incomce) is still 9.5 million people. Remove 100 million for children and you still get 6.4 million people. Divide it by two for joint income and that leaves 3.2 million.

    I see what you mean by “small swath”.

    IDIOT, I am keeping the math simple for you so you get the idea of small.

  100. #100
    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On September 18th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Flat rate tax is the only fair tax but would put the IRS goons out of business so it will NEVER happen.

    If more people had supported Mike Huckabee and made him our nominee, it would have happened. He was openly in favor of the fair tax.

    You know who likes to use the tax system as a weapon against his enemies?

    The threat of prosecution for tax fraud is the Kremlin’s weapon of choice against anyone who dares to challenge its hegemony.

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