“American women are so fortunate to live in the greatest country on Earth.”

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 21, 2008 01:14 AM

Amen, Mrs. Schlafly!

Amen:

The feminist tirades against Sarah are mostly so tiresome, but one line of their complaints is really funny. After 40 years of telling wives and mothers to get out of the home (which Betty Friedan called “a comfortable concentration camp”), put their children in day care (tax-funded, of course) and join the workforce, these same feminists now tell Sarah to stay home with her children.

Sarah doesn’t need feminist approval for her lifestyle; the only person whose OK she needs for her double career as mother and politician is her husband’s, and he seems very happy with Sarah.

Sarah Palin is an exemplar of a successful, can-do woman, and the feminists simply don’t know how to deal with her. I hope she will usher in a new era where conventional wisdom recognizes that feminist negativism is ancient history and American women are so fortunate to live in the greatest country on Earth.

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  1. #1
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:29 am, TXGator said:

    Wow…Mrs. Schlafly just summed up my college experience in Los Angeles, where everyone accepted your point of view unless you disagreed with their liberal talking points.
    I actually had a ‘womyn’(didn’t want ‘man’ in their title) ask me why football players ALL raped womyn. Actually wanted a response. If I had stereotyped her group like that, I would’ve been thrown out of school and into jail for hate crimes.

  2. #2
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:29 am, Wellsy said:

    Great column. Can’t say I’m impressed by the first few comments on its own page, but anyways …

    Palin is not self-destructing as so many were predicting the “Barbie doll” to do. I’m proud of her. Maybe one day she’ll be the Margaret Thatcher of this nation. For now, I just hope she thrashes Biden in the VP debate.

  3. #3
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:31 am, procopy said:

    Amen is right. I believe they are completely deranged and anyone who has a sense of decency and moral fortitude sends them into a frenzy. They’re scared and they’re lashing out.

  4. #4
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:32 am, Arbalest said:

    And, ironicly (?, or for added effect), on the right side of this webpage is the picture of Sara Bernhart (who, oddly, looks like a guy) seeming to sneer at the quote, and the Obama attack hound bareing its teeth at the “Comments” section.

    I detect a Rove-ian influence …

  5. #5
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:44 am, Brian72 said:

    Hillary and women like her are not disliked because they are competent and successful, but because they are chip-on-the-shoulder feminists, living in an unhappy world of their own making and spreading their discontent like a virus. Feminists convey a notion of entitlement, as though they deserve special privileges today because of wrongs in past years that no one any longer can remember, such as women not having the right to vote. The bad attitude of victimhood is indoctrinated in students by the bitter feminist faculty in university women’s studies courses and even in some law schools. Victimhood is nurtured and exaggerated by feminist organizations using their tactic called “consciousness raising,” i.e., retelling horror stories about how badly some women have been treated until small personal annoyances grow into societal grievances. The feminists resent Sarah because she’s the exact opposite of Hillary Clinton. When the liberal media sharpened their knives against Sarah, some chivalrous McCainiacs cried foul about media unfairness, but we didn’t hear any whining from Sarah. Sarah has been successful because of hard work and perseverance, not because she’s a woman, and she’s not going to pull any crybaby act now. Sarah didn’t need any Equal Rights Amendment, which Hillary is still promoting even though it was declared dead by the Supreme Court 26 years ago.

    That is right on the money, folks. She shoots, she scores!

    Sarah IS the opposite of Hillary. Matter, anti-matter. The two shall not meet, lest the universe of liberalism explode.

    I wonder if any personal e-mails in Hillary’s account would be revealing on this whole Palinmania episode. Enquiring minds want to know.

    (Just kidding)

  6. #6
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:48 am, Send_Me said:

    I still wonder though: does our society have or recognize any gender roles? Also, I’ve come to appreciate Voddie Baucham’s thoughts on this matter:

    The Palin pick presents a dilemma for conservatives and liberals in a number of areas. Chief among them is the abortion debate. We all see the problem liberals have. How do you attack a woman as being anti-woman, or not understanding the issue (especially in light of the recent birth of her son, Trig)? I must admit I am waiting with bated breath to see what Biden does in the VP debates. However, few see the trap conservatives have set for themselves. Conservatives gleefully watch liberals squirm, but instead of ‘beating them at their own game,’ we’ve just acknowledged the superiority of their rules. We have agreed with them that abortion is about a woman’s right to choose by touting Palin’s ‘decision’ to have Trig, and her daughter’s “tough decision” to go through with her pregnancy. We’ve agreed with them that it takes a woman to understand the issue. We’ve agreed with them that this is a pragmatic question as opposed to a theological and philosophical one. And we’ve agreed with them that the real battle is a battle for cultural hegemony.
    Many people have been asking, “Where are the men?” They want to know why there weren’t strong male candidates ready to step into the fray. What do you think the press would be saying right now if Senator Palin were a man? Better yet, what do you think will happen the next time the Democrats or the Republicans put up an all white male ticket? To the Dems it will mean “We’ve taken a step backward.” To the Republicans it will mean “We didn’t really mean it in ’08.” From now on national politics will look like the nightly news. There will be male/female teams and black/white teams, not because of the quality or qualifications of the individuals involved, but for fear of being called sexist, racist, or fascist (or for fear that the other guys will have a minority or woman trump card). People are already arguing that Obama missed a chance to ‘cancel out’ the Palin pick with Senator Clinton! Welcome to Antonio Gramsci’s beloved cultural hegemony.

  7. #7
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:53 am, Brian72 said:

    Sarah Palin is Governor of Alaska, not a Senator. Thank goodness. Somebody on these tickets has actually run something besides a Capitol Hill office of staffers.

  8. #8
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:54 am, Brian72 said:

    McCain was a Navy Commander, so that counts as “executive experience” in my book.

  9. #9
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:56 am, TXGator said:

    Want to have a good laugh? Ask any liberal feminist you know what she thinks about Palin. I’ve been doing this for about a week now, and it is absolutely hilarious. They practically bend over backwards.

  10. #10
    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:57 am, Thunderbird 1 said:

    I just forwarded this article to my dear East-coast liberal “The View”-watching mom (70 yrs old) to whom I sent the NY Sun piece that was linked at HotAir.com with the feminist screeds about “violent rage” toward Palin, and whose response to that piece was “Exactly!” I have never been so disturbed by a political comment from my mother as I was with that one word. Hopefully she’ll get a clue.

  11. #11
    On September 21st, 2008 at 2:04 am, TooMuchTime said:

    If you want to read a good commentary about feminism, read this one by Victor Davis Hanson.

    It’s straight and to the point. Here’s a quote:

    …feminism now often equates to a condescending liberalism. Emancipated women who, like Palin, do not believe in abortion or are devout Christians are at best considered unsophisticated dupes. At worse, they are caricatured as conservative interlopers, piggybacking on the hard work of leftwing women whose progressive ideas alone have allowed the Palins of the world the choices that otherwise they would not now enjoy.

    Yeah, Governor Palin should stay at home, but since she’s not, her success is all because of liberal feminists.

    These scum have no shame.

  12. #12
    On September 21st, 2008 at 2:09 am, Micheleeroo said:

    Quite frankly, I don’t think I could be a governor and have five children. So it’s obvious that someone who IS doing that AND being successful in all of it is no ordinary woman. The point is, some women can and some can’t. Governor Palin obviously CAN do it all. So what’s the problem here?

  13. #13
    On September 21st, 2008 at 2:09 am, simcoe said:

    Now, change the article’s theme to raciam, substitute the criers of “Racism” for the “Feminists”, and the Condoleezza Rice’s and other black Americans in national and corporate leadership positions for “Sarah” and it fits nicely.

    Great article!!

  14. #14
    On September 21st, 2008 at 2:36 am, AlohaGuy said:

    Check out see duya’s post though, to see how easily some people are duped into believing lies. (His friend thought Palin was a book banner.) If you actually see and hear Palin, she’s nothing like the lies, and that’s what scares the left.

  15. #15
    On September 21st, 2008 at 3:40 am, graysonret said:

    The feminist movement started out okay, but, as so obviously seen, has turned away from women and become nothing more than a radical left-wing movement using feminism as a cover. Much like the civil rights movement and the NAALCP (nat’l assoc. for the advancement of “liberal” colored persons), only certain political people are allowed to be included, even if it contradicts their own goals. Both have become scams to the American people.

  16. #16
    On September 21st, 2008 at 4:14 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Michelle,
    I’m so glad that you posted this.

    I find it hard to comprehend how I went so long without knowing who Phyllis Schlafly is. I had never heard of her until I went back and analyzed the speeches made at this year’s CPAC. It was Mike Huckabee’s speech that opened my eyes to her book:
    A Choice Not an Echo: The inside story of how American Presidents are chosen

    It is absolutely amazing how the events of this year’s Republican Primary paralleled what Phyllis Schlafly described 44 years ago!

    Her book is as timely as ever.

  17. #17
    On September 21st, 2008 at 4:18 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Sarah Palin is an exemplar of a successful, can-do woman, and the feminists simply don’t know how to deal with her.

    True of Sarah Palin.
    True of Phyllis Schlafly.
    True of Michelle Malkin.

  18. #18
    On September 21st, 2008 at 4:25 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 2:09 am, Micheleeroo said:

    Governor Palin obviously CAN do it all. So what’s the problem here?

    The “problem” is that Palin exposes the leftists lies for what they are…lies.

    The “problem” is that Palin as President is their worst nightmare.

    And that is why the left is trying to destroy her “by any means necessary”.
    (A Malcolm X quote)

  19. #19
    On September 21st, 2008 at 4:30 am, TEXASCONSERVATIVE said:

    About what you would expect from a gaggle of feminists who are threatened by a real woman who loves her husband, has a job, family, pro gun, pro life, pro family. Go Sarah Palin and Michelle Malkin!

  20. #20
    On September 21st, 2008 at 5:01 am, ITookTheRedPill said:
  21. #21
    On September 21st, 2008 at 5:25 am, dhalls said:

    Amen!

  22. #22
    On September 21st, 2008 at 5:59 am, Omu said:

    Women are telling Palin to go home because she’s anti-gay, anti-choice and anti-universal healthcare among other issues that are important to women. They’re not telling her to disappear because they can’t handle a woman being successful (if you’ll remember, 18 million people voted for Hillary and she still has die-hard women supporting her). You really should give women more credit than that.

  23. #23
    On September 21st, 2008 at 6:21 am, zorro said:

    Excellent column.

  24. #24
    On September 21st, 2008 at 7:05 am, CO2 Producer said:

    Amen=’Nuff said. Can we move along now? No? Have you been listening?

  25. #25
    On September 21st, 2008 at 7:30 am, happy_mama said:

    So well said.

    This lipstick-wearing, PhD holding, stay-at-home mommy, who values life has long ago shed what the feminists taught her back in college.

    Instead - I’m getting family ready for church today - and then getting the gang in the car and heading up the road see Governor Sarah Palin. And cheer VERY VERY loudly.

    I’m voting for the P.O.W./W.O.W. ticket. :)

  26. #26
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:03 am, James Felix said:

    …American women are so fortunate to live in the greatest country on Earth.

    Come to think of it, so are American men.

  27. #27
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:15 am, TxSkirt said:

    I’ve never understood the old feminist movement. When I was in sales and someone called me a “salesman” I never blanched. I knew I was a girl. I always figured that if I didn’t succeed it was because I failed, not because I was repressed in anyway. I also used my femininity to my advantage to get in to see clients that my male counterparts couldn’t. All’s fair in love and sales, I figured. That single act made the other “sales people” in my company angry with me to the point of sabatoging me. They were more intent on acting like “men” to prove a point in a male dominated field, than in having a female sales leader. I just wanted the sale.

    Chicks. Nothing but trouble.

  28. #28
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:17 am, TxSkirt said:

    By the way, calling feminist “chicks”, “gals”, and “skirts” makes them go postal. Give it a try. I can be quite funny.

  29. #29
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:18 am, FamilyMan said:

    In the Hindu marriage ceremony the wife will say I
    respect the man in my husband. The husband says I respect the women in my wife. All cultures should celebrate our unique abilities. There should be no boundaries of power between the sexes, only support for our weaknesses and recognition of our strengths.

    Hmmm!….. I think I better show that to my wife

  30. #30
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:24 am, Anita said:

    “Moose Shootin’ Mama”, #4 in charts today!

  31. #31
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:38 am, Sidana said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 5:59 am, Omu said:

    Women are telling Palin to go home because she’s anti-gay, anti-choice and anti-universal healthcare among other issues that are important to women.

    Only women who don’t have powers of logic, foresight and haven’t given up their natural bed toward compassion think YOUR way on these topics.

    In this day and age when the wise are noting that our western civilization is dying off, women going against all nature and RESPONSIBILITY are aborting their young for convenience! YOUR version of woman is too stupid to realize what makes a baby and won’t take the responsibility of saying to herself “I don’t want a baby, I shouldn’t be having sex under ANY circumstance, because birth control can fail”: I am tired of paying for abortions through my taxes for women this immoral and this stupid. If your area wants to pay for them, then let’s do away with the evil Roe Vs Wade vote, and then the people in YOUR area can vote on it and pay for them if they want.

    But each of those lives are critical to whether any civilized people continue or we leave this to the brutality of the middle east where they can go on and just kill each other off from that point.

    Anti-Gay: oh. you mean given gays MORE rights than the rest of us? It is critically wrong that we do this. It is m more wrong to make our civilization give a group identity for how they choose to have sex.

    You say it is “genetic”? Prove that to me and then let’s put it in a pre-birth screening and see how many of your women choose to abort that child.

    Universal health care? Take more money for my neighbors to pay for a commodity. why should we stop there. We need housing and food far more than we need healthcare in a moronic mess like they have in Canada and England.
    I, and other women, say “thanks but no thanks. .I don’t need you stealing more money than you do from my neighbors, who can’t pay for it either. I need to find a way to pay for my OWN bills. Stealing is immoral, even in the guise of Taxes.”

  32. #32
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:39 am, PatriotRider said:

    Omu said:

    Nice try.

    To correctly state Palin’s positions one might say that she is not “anti gay” but pro family. The homosexual lifestyle is a cancer that eats at the core of traditional values.

    She also is pro choice. Meaning one should choose to keep your legs together until after marriage and you won’t have what BHO considers a “burden” on your hands. While this statement may sound sexist, the woman has the ultimate say-so in the sex act. And please, don’t argue the rape/incest thing. That’s not the majority of abortions.

    And as far as universal health care goes, it’s not a right it’s just another entitlement that I will ultimately pay for. She would much rather have government stay out of it. Just take a look at what government can screw up issuing driver’s licences. It will just take one trip to the DMV to convice you that universal health care will be abyssmal.

  33. #33
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:41 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    Omu said:

    You sound like you’re breaking down into tears. Wahhhhh!

  34. #34
    On September 21st, 2008 at 8:58 am, FamilyMan said:

    If I have a job opening that requires multiple skills I will look for a woman. If the job requires a singular focus I will chose a man. I know that’s sexist and illegal and there are infinite gray levels but business is about profit not about social engineering.

  35. #35
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:04 am, Paul-Cincy said:

    Liberal women seem so into power. Raw power, achieved by just about any possible means. You’d think they’d like Palin because she is powerful. A governor, and now a strong contender for first woman VP. Lots of power. They just don’t like what she does with her power. First, she’s conservative. Second, she puts a lot of energy into her personal life, that is her husband and 5 kids. They want powerful women to use their power to advance liberal causes, to effect social change. They are very uncomfortable with Palin.

    Liberals and especially feminists are into raw power. Power to the people. Take back our country, reclaim our power. They want to empower women. But the power has strings. Sarah’s power is bad power!

    I hope this anecdote doesn’t get my post deleted or me banned, I don’t mean to offend, it just comes to mind. It was the early 1980s I lived in Berkeley, Cal and was walking down the steps of the Ashby subway station. As I recall the walls were some kind of etched stone, and there was some graffiti written there, and I thought, man, that’s going to be hard to remove. On one wall someone had sprayed in large letters “LESBIAN POWER”. It’s Berkeley after all, free speech, liberals. Then I turn my head to look at the other wall, and someone had sprayed an apparent retort, in equally large capital letters: “PLASTIC DICK POWER”. I don’t mean to be vulgar, but there was something so funny about it I still remember it. Something strange and ironic about the point-counterpoint of the two vandals. And on that etched stone on top of it all. So hard to remove graffiti. Power and its use.

    It’s ok for Gloria Steinem to use her power to promulgate such phrases as “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle”, but when Sarah Palin uses her power to push conservative themes, or to love her Down Syndrome son Trig instead of marching angrily in a protest demonstration, that’s not acceptable to them. They’re having fits over it.

    Everyone should know Schlafly nearly single-handedly killed the Equal (sic) Rights Amendment. She’s a powerhouse herself.

  36. #36
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:11 am, St. Louis Blue said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 5:59 am, Omu said:

    Women are telling Palin to go home because she’s anti-gay, anti-choice and anti-universal healthcare among other issues that are important to women…You really should give women more credit than that.

    Nice trick. Stop confusing women with feminists. Omu, as a woman you should understand that only a tiny, tiny percentage of women are feminists. Women are not telling Palin to go home–feminists are.

  37. #37
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:13 am, Marauder said:

    The only thing I’ve ever heard to support the claim that Sarah Palin is “anti-gay” is that she doesn’t approve of gay marriage and that her church doesn’t approve of homosexuality. Haven’t several recent prominent Democrats not approved of gay marriage either, and belonged to churches that don’t approve of homosexuality, yet supported various other gay rights?

    Personally, I do think there should be gay marriage, but that’s the one and only issue I agree with liberals on, and I’d much rather vote for a ticket with Sarah Palin than a ticket with Barack Obama. Gay people are capable of fighting for themselves. They can make speeches, run for office, form organizations. Unborn children are the most helpless members of society, and if it’s between someone who supports abortion and gay marriage and someone who supports neither of those things, I’m going with the latter every time.

  38. #38
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:15 am, Marauder said:

    P.S. I’m a woman, I graduated from Smith College, and I’m bisexual.

  39. #39
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    The thing about gay rights is that next thing you know a gay dude is going to take your job because it’s “fair and equitable.” Just like blacks have taken many jobs from Whites and Asians; they perform those jobs substandard, in many cases.

  40. #40
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:22 am, bansharia said:

    some how Airhead huffnstuff got on my noncable tevee friday and dropped this doozie, Sarah Palin isn’t part of the club. Now to you and I that is a good thing to Airhead it is HOW DARE she!
    and really sums up the THREAT Sarah creates by simply breathing and WE ALL DO BY VOTING.
    P.S. would be happy to explain what “the club” is for any obama voters and those in rio linda ;)

  41. #41
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am, bansharia said:

    blacks take jobs from whites?
    alert the media…….

  42. #42
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am, St. Louis Blue said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    The thing about gay rights is that next thing you know a gay dude is going to take your job because it’s “fair and equitable.”

    I’m not worried. I have no desire to be a women’s hair stylist, florist or poodle groomer.

  43. #43
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:24 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 1:48 am, Send_Me said:
    I still wonder though: does our society have or recognize any gender roles? Also, I’ve come to appreciate Voddie Baucham’s thoughts on this matter:

    The Palin pick presents a dilemma for conservatives and liberals in a number of areas. Chief among them is the abortion debate. We all see the problem liberals have. How do you attack a woman as being anti-woman, or not understanding the issue (especially in light of the recent birth of her son, Trig)? I must admit I am waiting with bated breath to see what Biden does in the VP debates. However, few see the trap conservatives have set for themselves. Conservatives gleefully watch liberals squirm, but instead of ‘beating them at their own game,’ we’ve just acknowledged the superiority of their rules. We have agreed with them that abortion is about a woman’s right to choose by touting Palin’s ‘decision’ to have Trig, and her daughter’s “tough decision” to go through with her pregnancy…

    Pure sophistry. If a liberal chooses not to own a gun does that mean that they accept the 2nd Amendment?

    Didn’t waste my time trying to find out who Voddie Baucham is but she (he?) sounds like a liberal college professor or lgm.

  44. #44
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:27 am, bansharia said:

    marauder,
    hmm we aren’t going to start yahavetabeX to talk about crap are we?
    I for one don’t need to know who you spend time with to agree or disagree with your point.

  45. #45
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:32 am, tarpon said:

    Democrats remain fully invested in your misery, never make the mistake of thinking otherwise.

  46. #46
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:35 am, tarpon said:

    bansharia said:

    blacks take jobs from whites?

    Actually, black Americans are taking the jobs of illegals, who are being forced out of the legitimate workforce by ICE raids.

    I wonder why we never hear Barry talk about that ?

  47. #47
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:39 am, whoozit said:

    Marauder, I agree with your reasons for voting in favor of innocent human beings. If McCain and Obama’s abortion stances were reversed, I would vote for Obama. I don’t want gay marriage, but no one needs protection more than a helpless baby.

  48. #48
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:45 am, Marauder said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:27 am, bansharia said:
    marauder,
    hmm we aren’t going to start yahavetabeX to talk about crap are we?
    I for one don’t need to know who you spend time with to agree or disagree with your point.

    No, of course not. I just wanted Omu to know that even bisexual women who went to extremely liberal colleges like Sarah Palin. (And I spend time with my male fiance, by the way, who is the only person I want to be with.)

    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:39 am, whoozit said:
    Marauder, I agree with your reasons for voting in favor of innocent human beings. If McCain and Obama’s abortion stances were reversed, I would vote for Obama. I don’t want gay marriage, but no one needs protection more than a helpless baby.

    Thanks. :)

  49. #49
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:47 am, jt3151 said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 5:59 am, Omu said:
    Women are telling Palin to go home because she’s anti-gay, anti-choice and anti-universal healthcare among other issues that are important to women. They’re not telling her to disappear because they can’t handle a woman being successful (if you’ll remember, 18 million people voted for Hillary and she still has die-hard women supporting her). You really should give women more credit than that.

    What, exactly, would happen to gay people if Palin took office as VP, or even President? Would she have them all executed, or would she merely fail to fight for increased victim status for them?

  50. #50
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:51 am, FamilyMan said:

    Marauder said:
    Personally, I do think there should be gay marriage

    I don’t support gay marriage. I do support the need of a culture to define absolutes. I’m anti abortion, not for moral reason but for a clear cut definition of human life’s beginning. Human sexuality needs a legal absolute our we will have structural chaos. I know this doesn’t sound fair to you but please consider the legal slippery slope if the marriage boundary is breached.

  51. #51
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:53 am, bansharia said:

    Tarp,
    Barry is too busy um too busy umm well I am sure he is doing something..
    point taken what is he doing ;)
    lawdy

  52. #52
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:56 am, bansharia said:

    Fam,
    gays got unions which is what they asked for the ONLY reason they want
    marriage is for benefits SS/INS etc and to DESTROY the Fath based foundation
    of what it is PERIOD.
    it is anger and spite that they now demand full blown marriage

  53. #53
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:56 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    FamilyMan said:

    If two homos or lesbians want to be together because they love each other and it keeps them off the street that’s fine with me. Knock yourself out. But when “faux rights” are given to gays and heterosexuals are treated as second class citizens as white males are under affirmative action then that’s something I’m dead against.

  54. #54
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:58 am, bansharia said:

    Fam and PS
    why do gays have to interject themselves into everything anyway?
    what a selfabsorbed identity group
    HEY GAYS BE AMERICAN ASSIMILATE!!!

  55. #55
    On September 21st, 2008 at 9:58 am, Christine said:

    Michelle,

    You are so right! Mrs. Schlafly hit this right on! I am surprised that the SF Gate even published this as it would ire the libs in that city.

  56. #56
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:01 am, bansharia said:

    Gold,
    thats a good circular position.
    so what were you trying to say?

  57. #57
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:05 am, Mookie said:

    Here’s a question. You go to the voting booth and one of your ballot questions reads that abortion will be banned in your state if gay marriage is made legal. How would you vote?

  58. #58
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am, FamilyMan said:

    bansharia said; why do gays have to interject themselves into everything anyway?

    I would guess they want our acceptances. The problem is where do we draw the line with legal institution of marriage.
    Two men
    Two woman
    Two women and a man
    One man and five women
    One man and one boy
    One man and a duck/ hopefully sarc
    As soon as we accept gay marriage it set a legal precedent and opens a all other possibilities.

  59. #59
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am, whoozit said:

    I would put the right to live over the “right” to same-sex marriage.

  60. #60
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:15 am, whoozit said:

    my statement of course in response to Mookie’s question.

  61. #61
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:16 am, bansharia said:

    Fam,
    oh you do spoil me with softball questions. We draw the line at 1 man 1 woman PERIOD.

  62. #62
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:18 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    bansharia said:

    Gold,
    thats a good circular position.
    so what were you trying to say?

    Are you being facetious? Not sure what you mean.

  63. #63
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:23 am, bansharia said:

    Gold,
    yes.
    sorry for my feeble attempt and some humor ;)

  64. #64
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:23 am, bansharia said:

    Chris Dodd THE expert stephanie calls in today…….SIGH

  65. #65
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:25 am, FamilyMan said:

    The only predominate legal reason for gay marriage is the question of survivor benefits in social security. All other disadvantages can be handle with general partnership agreements and wills. Government mandated programs are the problem.

  66. #66
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    I’m saying there’s radical elements from Hollywood that support Obama where he’ll likely to give privileges to gays that’ll 100% be abused. That’s obvious actually.

  67. #67
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:28 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    I’m saying there’s radical elements from Hollywood that support Obama where he’ll be likely give privileges to gays when president that will 100% be abused. That’s obvious actually.

  68. #68
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:29 am, DBNinKY said:

    You really should give women more credit than that.

    And liberals should give women more credit than to think they are single issue-voters, i.e., abortion is not the only motivator that brings women to the polls. President McCain and Vice President Palin speak to the broader issues that concern men and women alike - the financial, moral, social and militaristic security of their families - B. HUSSEIN Obama doesn’t.

  69. #69
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:30 am, TXGator said:

    I simply can not imagine trying to keep two wives happy. Wow, who would do that to themselves? Crazy Muslims want FOUR!?

  70. #70
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am, K2 said:

    If your child came to you and said they were gay, would you feel it is okay to deny them the right to have the same benefits, with their committed partner, as you do with your spouse?

    What is wrong with allowing homosexual couples the same SS and Ins. benefits?

    Are perceptions of the gay community wanting to destroy the sanctity of marriage and religion based upon the televised and reported actions of the radical few?

  71. #71
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am, Mookie said:

    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:25 am, FamilyMan said:

    The only predominate legal reason for gay marriage is the question of survivor benefits in social security. All other disadvantages can be handle with general partnership agreements and wills. Government mandated programs are the problem.

    Taxes are a bigger issue than social security.

  72. #72
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:36 am, bansharia said:

    TX,
    I had no idea islamic men desired to keep their wives happy…
    alert the media thats NEWS

  73. #73
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:37 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    K2 said:

    Again when someone tries to tweek my emotions with statements like yours a yellow flag comes up. Emotional tweeking does not present a solid solution to any problem in most cases. It just gets the “tweeker” what they want from the “tweeke.” Later on down the road the “tweeke” realizes she’s been screwed over.

  74. #74
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am, Rob said:

    Gays haven’t destroyed society yet that I can see.

    I will focus my hatred and disgust for the likes of Michael Moore, John McCain, Barack Obama, George Bush, and others ACTIVELY trying to tear this once great nation down.

  75. #75
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am, TXGator said:

    I said they want four, but I’m pretty sure they don’t worry about keeping them happy. After all, they could just say ‘divorce’ three times and be done with it. Kinda like Vegas.

  76. #76
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:43 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    How the hell do you keep four wives happy?

    I would like four wives:

    A female laywer, doctor, banker and model.

  77. #77
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:44 am, FamilyMan said:

    K2 said:
    If your child came to you and said they were gay, would you feel it is okay to deny them the right to have the same benefits, with their committed partner, as you do with your spouse?

    Yes I would. Social structure MUST HAVE ABSOLUTES.
    The human condition of living in this world of duality REQUIRES DISCRIMINATION
    Natural law and the observable nature of duality will allow nothing else.

  78. #78
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am, TXGator said:

    The gay marriage thing doesn’t bother me too much. We should want gays to make binding legal commitments to each other. Call it what you will, maybe ‘man-rriage’ for dudes and ‘man-rage’ for those from the Isle of Lesbos, but give them the same legal protections AND responsibilities.

  79. #79
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:48 am, bansharia said:

    TX Lesbos has sued in EU court to protect the usage of lesbian lolo
    life is funny ;)

  80. #80
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:48 am, whoozit said:

    Are perceptions of the gay community wanting to destroy the sanctity of marriage and religion based upon the televised and reported actions of the radical few?

    I know that all gay people are not voyeurists, but they certainly give me pause when I consider gay marriage. I don’t accept the marriage because I worry about the effect that it will have on school material presented to my children. I can live and let live, but I don’t want my kindergartner to be indoctrinated.

  81. #81
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:49 am, K2 said:

    Goldwater Knight said:

    The gay issue is emotional.

    The solution is to treat gays the same way you wish to be treated.

    They are human beings. They should be entitled to the same Constitutional Rights. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    They should be afforded the same benefits received by the majority of the populous.

    I am not saying the definition of marriage needs to be redefined. The 1 man 1 woman definition is perfect.

    But, do not say that not allowing the exact same benefits you receive is not creating another ‘class’ of citizens.

    You take away the basis of ‘crying foul’ and you take away the issue.

  82. #82
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:51 am, TXGator said:

    My four wives would have to be Olivia Newton-John when she got all slutty and leathered up in “Grease”, Rosanna Arquette for the two obvious reasons, Halle Berry to prove to my black friends I’m not racist, and Ellen DeGeneres just to keep me on my toes.
    Maybe she could keep the other two happy when I’m holding session with the one.

  83. #83
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am, TXGator said:

    Hey, Bansharia, how would that law be enforced? Wow, are there some stupid lawsuits out there.
    Europe just gets funnier and funnier and sadder all the time. I can’t wait til the good Muslims get to the red light districts in Amsterdam. Culture clash, maybe?

  84. #84
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am, K2 said:

    whoozit said;

    I agree, I do not want kids indoctrinated either.

    If there were no divisiveness about gays, the radical gay community loses the basis for their rage.

  85. #85
    On September 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am, whoozit said:

    Rob,
    I don’t think homosexuality, which is certainly not a modern invention, will ruin society. I think our porn-obsessed society (which involves all sexual preferences) is destroying itself.

  86. #86
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:01 am, whoozit said:

    K2 said, “The solution is to treat gays the same way you wish to be treated.

    I completely agree.

  87. #87
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:02 am, FamilyMan said:

    K2 said: But, do not say that not allowing the exact same benefits you receive is not creating another ‘class’ of citizens.

    This is not nor can ever be a classless society. That’s only an ideal for utopians. You have the constitutional rights but don’t ask me to give up mine for your needs. Social Security is not a mandated constitutional programs. In all government social engineering there are winners and losers.
    LIFE IS NOT FAIR. SORRY

  88. #88
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:23 am, FamilyMan said:

    All human relationships have infinite deviations. We have the social necessity to ” draw a line in the sand”.
    Living in a sovereign country with laws and a marriage are similar. We give up freedoms to receive freedoms. We make rules to maintain stability.
    LIFE IS ONE BIG COMPROMISE. SORRY

  89. #89
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:24 am, MDH3 said:

    Women are telling Palin to go home because she’s anti-gay, anti-choice and anti-universal healthcare among other issues that are important to women.

    Classic ‘feminist’ mistake. Presumption that women speak, think, behave, and vote as a monolith. How matriarchal and insulting.

    Who, exactly, anointed you spokeswoman for all women?

    Go away, you exceedingly silly person.

  90. #90
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:26 am, Marauder said:

    As much as I support gay marriage, I do think that there’s a definite possibility that if it were legal nationwide, Muslims and FLDS members would want legal polygamy. I don’t think it would actually happen, though, as various aspects of Islam are not exactly smiled upon in American society and the FLDS is a relatively small group of people. As for FamilyMan’s imagined scenario of man/boy marriage, there’s no way that would actually happen, as A) child molestation is a serious crime and is considered as such by everyone but child molesters themselves, and B) gay groups do their best to stay the hell away from the NAMBLA bunch.

  91. #91
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:28 am, K2 said:

    FamilyMan said;

    Yes, I know life is not fair.

    But, that does not make it right to treat gays as if they are a separate class of humans.

    Yes, we have classes, but they are predominately monetary classes. But, we have the ability to move ourselves from one monetary class to another.

    We do not have the ability to choose our skin or eye color, our sex, or even our sexuality.

    I know many do not believe people are ‘born’ gay. And they are entitled to their belief.

    But, that belief does not equate to treating people differently from the way they wish to be treated.

  92. #92
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:29 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    But, do not say that not allowing the exact same benefits you receive is not creating another ‘class’ of citizens.

    I don’t see how they deserve anything more than they already have. I will not tolerate affirmative action based legislation that places gays in a class by themselves. People have been brainwashed to think the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman are equal to that of a man and a man. It isn’t. It’s a straight up perversion of nature. Some people will say it’s not a perversion of nature, that monkeys have gay sex too therefore it’s natural. My rebuttal to that is, “I rest my case.”

  93. #93
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:31 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    But, that does not make it right to treat gays as if they are a separate class of humans.

    They are a separate class. More or less a lower class.

  94. #94
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:36 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    Here K2. Here’s an example of the type of people you think should be of the same social class as regular people with families.

    Please make your case again and refresh me on how they deserve equal rights.

  95. #95
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:36 am, graysonret said:

    Four wives? I have enough trouble with 1 wife, much less four of them. Wouldn’t be long before they’d be hauling me off to Western State in a strait jacket. I’ll stick to 1 wife. Thank you. As far as Palin supporting or not supporting “gay rights” means nothing to me at the voting booth. I’m much more interested in foreign policy ideas, which is where the base power of the Presidency lies. Only the states and congress can decide “gay rights”. Voting for congressmen and delegates is a different idea though.

  96. #96
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:41 am, K2 said:

    NOW- National Organization of Women has been the most ‘talk out of the two sides of its mouth’ group since its inception.

    Does anyone remember how they spoke so harshly for equal rights - during the VietNam War - but balked at the thought of being subjected to the draft?

    The have been the voice of only the radical fringe. They did not truly wish equality, they wished to receive the same benefits without having to do the work.

  97. #97
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:44 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    K2 said:

    We clearly agree and disagree on certain things which is good at least we can hash them out.

  98. #98
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:46 am, FamilyMan said:

    Marauder said; I don’t think it would actually happen

    Every human sexuality issue has a slippery slope. It would be constitutionally difficult to prevent any group from gaining a legal foothold. Witness Mormon sects with multiple wives. Witness NAMBLA attempt to remove their propensities from the American Psychological Society list of abnormal behavior. Before 1960 the APS considered homosexuality as abnormal.
    Once you accept one deviation it’s legally difficult to prevent the next.

  99. #99
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:49 am, K2 said:

    Goldwater Knight said:

    Clicked on your link….Sorry, will not watch…not interested. I think I stated above that our perception of the gay community is due to the radicals.

    I have nothing to say to support people who wish to use their ‘gayness’ in an effort to shock and disgust people.

    Not all gays are bad. Just as not all whites, blacks, or any other group of people are bad.

  100. #100
    On September 21st, 2008 at 11:50 am, FamilyMan said:

    K2 said: But, that belief does not equate to treating people differently from the way they wish to be treated.

    IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO DISCRIMINATE
    We have no other choice as human beings.

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