Bloggers sniff out anti-Palin astroturf campaign– and the cover-up begins Updated with Ethan Winner response
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The blogosphere is doing the job the MSM thinks no one else can do.
A collaborative investigative effort by our friends at The Jawa Report to expose an apparently astroturfed, anti-Sarah Palin smear campaign seems to have caused late-night panic in Barack Obama-linked p.r. circles. The bloggers digging into the provenance of anti-Sarah Palin smears on the web got results last night/early this morning while most elite journalists were still in their pajamas sleeping.
First, read this. Read the whole thing. Rusty Shackleford — with help from Jane of Armies of Liberation, Stable Hand, the Jawa team, Dan Riehl, Ace of Spades, and Patterico – traced a Palin-bashing YouTube video to a Democrat public relations firm, Winner and Associates, and one of its employees, Ethan S. Winner. They believe the voiceover for the ad — which spreads the lie that Sarah Palin belonged to a fringe third party, the Alaska Independence Party — was done by a professional whose voice they believe was also featured in several Obama ads and other spots produced by Obama top strategist and astroturfer extraordinaire David Axelrod’s firm.
The Jawa Report’s bottom line:
While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign. Namely:
* Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm.
* The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.
* Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time.
* Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company.
* The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional.
* This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod’s firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as “astroturfing.”
* David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.
* The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.
This suggests that false rumors and outright lies about Sarah Palin and John McCain being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the left wing fringe.
Now, here’s the juicy part. Within an hour of publication of the Jawa Report’s investigation, “eswinner” deleted the smear video that he had uploaded several times on September 11. Here’s a screenshot of the cached copy:
Let me underline that: At some point between approx. 12 midnight – 2am Eastern, “eswinner” logged into his account and tried to erase all traces of the deceitful, Palin-bashing ad.
And at 4:26am Eastern, here’s the message that appeared when attempting to view “eswinner’s” previously accessible account:
That was fast.
“Eswinner” didn’t just delete the Palin/AIP smear ad and his entire account. A related YouTube account, “Gocamerica,” that was spreading the lie has now also tried covering its tracks and has been closed. Ace and Dan Riehl are tracking the cover-up.
The Jawas, who have been at the vanguard of smoking out jihadis on the web, of course saved the video and all relevant websites.
Rusty wonders:
“If ‘eswinner’ isn’t Ethan Winner of the Publicis Groupe, then why did “eswinner” yank the video so quickly? Or if this was just an innocent homemade ad, then what does he have to hide? You’d think he’d want more attention for it.”
Indeed. Here it is, captured by a quick-thinking watchdog and reposted on YouTube.
I highly doubt “eswinner” will dare to send a takedown notice and reveal himself — and the lawyers and money behind him.
But it’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out.
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Update: Patterico on the cover-up…
In the criminal law business, we call evidence like that “consciousness of guilt.”
There needs to be follow-up to this story. The connection to the Winners and their PR firm is solid. The evidence tying in Axelrod and Obama is circumstantial but suggestive. The lightning-quick cover-up goes a long way towards convincing me. Now the baton needs to be passed to a media organization that can demand answers from the parties involved, who are unlikely to respond to a bunch of bloggers.
Update: Ethan Winner has responded.
September 22, 2008
1:30 pm PDT
Statement of Ethan Winner
The following is in response to questions I have received regarding the post on the Jawa Report website.
I produced and posted on the Internet the video entitled “Sarah Palin: A Heartbeat Away.”
The idea for the video was mine. No one paid me to produce it. The only out-of-pocket cost will be the fee for the voice-over narrator, which I will pay personally when I receive an invoice. Contrary to the allegation in the Jawa Report, the voice-over artist has never done any work for the Obama campaign. I retained her through a talent agency based solely on the quality of her voice.
Neither the Obama campaign nor any independent political action committee has had a connection with the making and/or posting of this video. Just like the thousands of Americans who have posted videos on the Internet regarding the current Presidential campaign, I produced this video as an expression of my right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
I believe the American people have a right and a need to know information about candidates for political office and their views. I made this video because I think it is important for the public to be aware of the association between Sarah and Todd Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. The New York Times has reported that the Alaskan Independence Party website describes the party as seeking, in the words of the party, “a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority,” including “advocacy for state’s rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.”
While a number of media outlets have said that reports that Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party may have been erroneous, her attendance at the party’s 1994 convention, her video speech to the 2008 convention and her husband’s membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have not been called into question.
Some people have asked why I have pulled the video from the Internet. The reason is simple. Following the posting of personal information about me by the Jawa Report, my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails.
Do I find his response hard to believe. Yes I do. I would especially note the carefully crafted future tense usage for when he will pay the voice over artist.
It’s almost …. Clintonesque.
So, he produces the video. He pays for the video production — out of his own pocket. He then posts it to YouTube using multiple phony identities.
Then he gets his friends at one of the largest PR firms in the world to post it on the internet, to suggest to others that they pass it on, and spend company time defending the outright lies in the video — all for free?
And the multimillionaire who is President of the firm also spends his free time defending the lies on his “homemade” — yet professionally voiced over — video?
Hey Ethan, with that business savvy no wonder you were forced to rent out the family yacht! Maybe it’s time to also get rid of those courtside seats.
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A lot of people are up past their bedtimes watching this story. (I’m one of them — ugh…) And with good reason, too: Rusty’s piece was damning enough, but the fact that Mr.
WinnerEpic Fail tried to cover his tracks speaks volumes.Beddy-bye now… I can’t wait to see what happens with this in the morning. (Later today? You know what I mean!)
Cool, I’m first up on this thread.
Magnificent work by all involved! Hope Rush & Sean & Glenn & Laura & Levin get all over this. It will take a collaborative effort to drag this off the web and onto the front page. DON’T say it can’t be done.
OK…second.
Well, as Charles Johnson often puts it “Imagine my surprise”.
Well done to Dr. Shackleford.
These people put up this stuff, then quietly delete it, when questioned. The damage has been done, though. That’s the tactic. It’s the old way of mud-slinging…”throw enough of it against the wall, and hope something sticks.” My personal favorite is the Jackson/Adams campaign of 1828-virgins from Russia, murders, adultery, and personal violence. Election Day is just ahead, thank goodness. 2 years of this nonsense is enough. But, I have a feeling, by January, it will start all over again.
The only reason they are doing this , is because the guy he works for is Black.
I’ve been up most of the night following this over at AoSHQ. There may be more coming as it relates to the nutroots side of the equation. Frankly, I was waiting for Michelle to get her some coffee and jump in with both feet!
This smells like Rathergate, doesn’t it?
Begins to make you wonder about all the other filthy, sick rumor mongering that seemed to spring from out of everywhere at once, hours after that Ohio announcement. Axelrod’s dirty fingerprints are all over this, and I hope he pays for smearing and slandering one terrific lady.
Hot Damn, release the hounds!
The way of the left. Tell a lie enough they think it becomes the truth.
Makes me sick.
Seems that somebody was on their toes already!
Ace says in the comments:
Excellent! Never underestimate our Michelle. These jerks are in BIG trouble now!
I’ve got to hop in the shower and get going for work this morning. This group of bloggers on the case makes me feel really good about nailing this down.
Go get ‘em Michelle! This is what you live for!
OUTSTANDING! love this place. Thanks MM
keep it up. The only problem will be, once the evidence is collected it will be hard to get the MSM to carry the story and really blow it wide open.
I <3 the blogosphere!!! Keep up the good work guys.
I wonder why no one else has made the connection to what the liberals did to Senator Joseph McCarthy? It’s a much better comparison than Rathergate.
The left isn’t getting away with it this time!!
You know, after reading Jawas, it’s terribly clear that these leftists don’t have an imagination. Is this because they feel they’re so beyond question, they feel they can be blatant? Is is because they’re used to these sockpuppet games without anyone investigating? Or is it because they have a get-out-of-jail free card handed to them from someone unknown?
Of course, if Axelrod is ever forced to go on the record about this, then he’ll say there’s no proof. But he’ll need to remember that this isn’t a court of law, but one of common sense. I’ll believe Axelrod just like I believe Edwards mistress is getting help without his knowledge.
You see these stupid people over at Obama’s campaign keep using these young kids and who catches these young punks older IT professionals……my husband does the same thing for his clients and he is”older”…..that is why Obama will lose he is putting to much of his campaign into the youth….idiot!
Wow. More dirty tricks from a Chicago thug. The One’s positive image is quickly fading.
I’m shocked! Shocked I say to find Mr. Obama’s campaign indirectly associated with this kind of low, lying, disingenuous attack on his opponents.
After all, isn’t this just like the man who promises hope and change but in reality has been a part of the dirtiest, most corrupt machine politics for years. A man who exhorts the “rich” people of the US to help “the least of my brothers” and has never helped his own half brother George. Isn’t this the man who claimed in Elko, Nevada last week that he supported the people’s 2nd Amendment rights but whose voting and previous positions contradict him. Isn’t this the same Barack Obama whom the New York Post has pointed to statements by both the Obama campaign and the Iraqi Foreign Minister that he asked the Iraqis to delay a Status of Forces treaty until after the elections; a possible violation of the Logan Act?
Change I can believe in? Looks more like “It’s the new boss, same as the old boss”.
Stay vigilent,
We have to be squarely on top of these weasels 100% of the time.
They only have to get away with it once.
We can only imagine what these people are capable of, with the full weight of the F.B.I., the C.I.A., the N.S.A., and the I.R.S. at their disposal.
Scary, indeed
You’d think that after ‘Rathergate’, they’d have learned a lesson or two, but I guess not.
Wow…great job…great catch!!
I would not be surprised if this does not go all the way up to The Tarnished Bovines campaign itself.
In fact, I would love for more in depth stuff done on ALL these attacks on her.
His campaign WREAKS from the stench of all the slander and libel out there against GOVERNOR Palin.
There can be no doubt that before this is over on November 4th, that his campaign will be exposed for incredibly illegal actions against the McCain/Palin Campaign.
The real important question is, will the MSM be willing to expose them for what they are, what they have done…or will they carry his banner the whole race.
My hope is that their thirst for blood in the water is stronger than their desire to carry him into the Oval Office. That will be the only chance we have of exposing this Socialist thug for what and who he is.
And when it does happen, it will be comical to watch as the MSM tries to make it look like they not only knew it all along, but that it was them who brought it to light and that it was always their intention to do so.
The evidence of the fact that the Democrats can never be permitted to ever again take back the Presidency is stacking up like cord wood
Thank you Rusty, Ace and Michelle.
Expose Obama and gang of thugs!
Just proves that when you are sure to lose you resort to dirty fighting. Keep up the good work. People remember to get this out to the people, who don’t follow the blogs or have access to the Net.
Amazing how all the news about the One’s past relationships is true but gets washed away by MSM, but the false accusations about Mrs. Palin wind up on the MSM. Even though they report it as false they still bring up the story. But never bring up the stories about obama…hmmmmmm
I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you. You mean that there just might be a smear campaign directed at Palin or McCain with some direct links to the Obama campaign? Shocked. I am without words… Speechless, I tell you. This can’t be true… Wait, I need to get a bag. Hyperventilating… shww shww shww…that’s a little better. Now, let’s get this straight. A link between the ‘One’ and a smear on Palin!?!?!? Oh dammit… shww shww shww… Ok I think it is sinking in now. I’m just shocked! I mean how could such a nice Christian man from that small town near Chicago be involved in such a thing? What about the damage to his repution and what about his children. Have you people no mercy? /smart-a$$ off/
I hope that this can linked to the lying SOB and that the truth will be shouted from the highest roof-tops across the country. Change we can believe in, my rear-end. More like, Quick change we can believe in!
Obama is like an iceburg. All you see is the small part sticking out that he wants you to see. It’s the crap hidden beneath the smoke & mirrors that scares me. Remember that a leopard cannot change its spots. BTW, even a black leopard has spots if you look close enough.
iceberg, not iceburg… my bad. I guess the arugula got to me brain and polluted it!
Good job now crush borat and get sarah in the white house.
Amazing. The whole investigation began with a Google search on the username “eswinner”, which is the moron’s real name. How stupid can you get?
Stupid enough to support the ‘messiah’. After all, this “Winner” guy is a lefty crap-weasel. That club does not require much intelligence to join.
Michelle did you get one of those calls at 3AM?
Great investigative effort, and I’m thankful for it personally, but I don’t see how this hurts Obama at all. The story has to get to the persuadable voters, and I don’t see how it does.
People like us read the blogs and stay informed, people like them watch the network coverage of this election. *sigh*
Anyway, well done to Rusty and Ace, and of course Michelle.
When you see the libs using this kind of low life deception; Al Franken as their resident spokesman; and a Democrat’s college kid hacking into personal email accounts, no wonder conservatives don’t want to put McCain/Palin bumper stickers on their cars – all they serve to do is to place a big “vandalize me” sticker on your car which the libs are only too eager to accomodate. What low lifes.
Thanks to the JAWAs, and all those geeks that are doing what some of us technophobes only dream about doing while the msm sleep in their jammies.
GSP
A salute of a slab of beef brisket to you!
Wow!! Brilliant leg-work by the Jawas. When lies are spread at the speed of light, we need our cyber-bloodhounds to get on the trail and stay on it. No justice, no peace.
Wow. They really suck at this, don’t they?
The good guys thwarted them, this time, which is good.
But if this is going to break through to the mainstream, it has to be simplified and pounded on the same way the lies about Sarah were pounded on.
In it’s simplest form: Obama broke Federal Election law to spread lies about Sarah Palin through the internet and tried to cover it up.
Even apathetic voters whose minds have been jellified by constant exposure to ‘The View’ should be able to grasp that.
If this Winner jerk is working for a company that’s part of the Publicis Group, he’s working for a French advertising company. Publicis also owns, among other ad agencies et al, Leo Burnett in Chicago, home of Tony the Tiger and other tired ad icons. For what it’s worth, Burnett’s former CEO was a member of the SDS when he was in college, and is an avowed liberal, since retired.
Man! These people are diabolical!!
I read the entire report, and am amazed at the depth of complexity, but at the same time, the stupidity of these democrat propagandists.
Joe SixPack, would never in a million years figure it out. Thank God there people out there like MM, and Jawa, and the others who will.
Obama creates the lies and puts them to video. Then, his 300 paid bloggers and his thousands of volunteers cause the video to go viral. I was wondering just what purpose those paid bliggers served other than existing to disrupt rational thought. NOW it makes much more sense. It is very possible that this was part of the campaign strategy from the very beginning.
And this is why the left is clamoring for the resurrection of the (Un)Fairness Doctrine. Not for “fairness”, but to shut down the talk radio shows, news outlets (read: Fox), and conservative blogs to prevent them from getting the truth about any Democratic policitian out there.
Once that’s 100% verified and if it’s found to be true, this would make an excellent campaign ad for McCain.
It must be driving the libs crazy that Palin is proving to be so popular. Here in FL she brought out anywhere from 25,000 to 60,000 enthusiastic people on a blistering, hot day in The Villages, FL. People said that they traveled for many miles to hear her speak. Even the pro-Obama St. Pete Times commented that “The speech had the crowd so excited it could have passed for a visit by the Pope, instead of a mere running mate.” Interestingly, she drew more people than any other candidate – including the Chosen One when he visited FL.
Even though I think Gov. Palin’s association with this group is patently untrue, isn’t the United States a voluntary federation of individual states? Not just a glob of contiguous real estate, but separately functioning entities that willingly come together for the betterment of the whole, and that reserve the right to challenge that “wholeness” when it is no longer for the betterment of all. That’s not a bad thing.
BTW, Hollywood types are always screaming that they’re going to renounce their citizenship if they don’t get their way in an election.
We knew they were astroturfing all over the place, but it’s great that they finally got caught.
As far as the MSM goes, they feed astroturfing by using it as news. It’s a self perpetuating cycle of bullsh1t.
David Axelrod is as smarmy as they come. His normal modus operandi is to try and find divorce records and get them unsealed. Remember how Obama got elected to the Senate in the first place. While it is well known about the nasty divorce of Jack and Jeri Rayn that was made public, what wasn’t so widely covered is he did the same thing to his Democrat opponent. There has already been one attempt at Palin in regards to divorce papers which went nowhere.
While looking in to the Winners here is another name from Chicago liberal political circles to look into, BettyLu Saltzman. Information on her is hard to come by although she is often mentioned as the person who introduced Barack to Azelrod. She also got Barack to appear at an anti war rally in Chicago and give a speech in 2002.
Just more fuel for the fire.
I know, AK and HI aren’t contiguous to the rest of us.
This is not the dirty tricks I knew.
-Richard Nixon
To those wondering what these people would do with the abilities of various Federal agencies at their disposal, please keep in mind that we have had a taste of what is in store for those not buying what The One is selling: Remember what happened to everyone who ever raised a scandal affecting Bill&Hillary Clinton? IRS Audit.
AND GET IN THEIR FACE !!!!!
Freedom of the press at it’s finest. Rooting out filth and rotten garbage.
I really hope BARAKADOODLEDOO has lots of it hanging off of himself. Of course, those who worship him will bring out the hoses and wash him off.
I see that the WebWasher at my work is blocking conservative political sites again:
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You were denied access because:
Access denied by WebWasher DynaBLocator content category. The requested URL belongs to the following category: Extreme.
I’ll have to make do with the synopsis here. Thanks.
Great work!
And that right there is the real problem.
All the hard work uncovering these stories really goes for naught, because few people outside our little (relatively speaking) web-world here will ever hear of this. As a matter of fact when these stories do make it outside of the conservative blogs they are portrayed as “right wing propaganda” by the reporting parties.
I’m getting the reputation as “angry political guy” where I work, and I see people’s eyes glaze over when I try to tell them what’s really going on.
Why am I in this handbasket and where am I going?
Axelrod and his boy keep forgetting this isn’t Chicago. No one is scared of him or their thug tactics. I dare say it only makes the resolve stronger. Can’t wait for more shoes to drop.
Well done!
Michelle has access to a major news network; in addition, to her columns for major newspapers. All is not lost.
This is a monumental effort at investigative reporting, especially considering that these folks lack the extensive resources of a major news organization. But what they lack in dollars they made up for in dedication, manpower, and “smarts.”
This will,of course be all over the blogosphere by the end of Monday. There will, of course, be no mention in the MSM. All of the investigative effort of JAWA and company will come to precisely nothing. It will, of course, remain on the Internet for all to see. And it will roll off of Obama’s back as water on a duck.
I brought this to the attention of Glen Reynolds. I hope he picks up on it.
Huff&puff doesn’t change the fact that there is truth in the allegation. Palin did make a very warm video for this anti-American organization. Her husband was a member.
DUCK! another lgm urine balloon!
It’s Killin em and
I Love it!!!
McCain/Palin 08′
Image: lgm at the park loadin balloons and tappin in stalls.
The truth is Obama’s enemy on this one, lgm… and you know it.
aj you crazy.
There is no proof to the allegation that Palin was ever a member of this party which BTW supports the US constitution. That is in the first bullet of thier party platform. You did read thier website right?
lgm
Sooooooo! I think the distinguished Senator from HI, Daniel In No Way has also supported groups in HI who seek independence from the
Great Satan, United States also. yes I know he is a veteran and no I ain’t said a word about his patriotism. What else do the liberals immediately attack with? Oh yeah that ain’t racist to say.You gotta get up pretty early in the morning to fool these people! Thanks for being diligent! I’m in awe of all of you!
That ad was way too well done to be done for free… hence, there’s got to be law breaking going on with it. No wonder it got pulled so quickly… just like rubico, they knew that, if this (bleep) got out, they’d be (bleep)ed.
Time to find the money and then follow it. Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it, and a candidate that thinks we have 57 states certainly doesn’t know his history very well. The Republicans had to drink their Watergate, and now the Democrats are about to eat dirt in the form of their astroturf. Talk about stuck on stupid…
This has to be forced into the MSM. It will take a heroic effort, but coverage has to be demanded. John McCain, are you listening? You, the one who authored the most convoluted campaign finance laws in history, ought to be able to claim some moral and intellectual authority to be publicly outraged over this issue. Now might be a good time to throw one of your tantrums.
This is what you get with the Chicago Political Machine. Where is Mike Royko when you need him? For Republicans, this is an election, for Democrats it is war. One that George Bush may have already lost.
Exactly how much Kool-Aid do you drink in a day, anyway?
I need someone to straighten me out…
From the “TheTrollhammer” video:
“I’m governor Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independance Party Convention.”
Would someone be so kind as to point out, what’s wrong with this?
Is this something, she actually said, or not?…I know, there’s something fishy about it…I just can’t put my finger on what.
I hope you’re right 30, but it is discouraging.
What worries me is that the largest voting segment, senior citizens, still rely on most of their news from the alphabet networks and newspapers. When I ask my parents (who idealogically are somewhere to the right of Archie Bunker) about political issues they parrot what they hear from the MSM.
I’ve tried to get them online, but their VCR is still blinking 12:00 (if you know what I mean).
Isn’t America great or what? Here are all these rich, corporate fat cats that rent out their yachts and are still supporting the Democrats, The party of the working man (person nowadays). It gives me the warm fuzzies knowing they have nothing to gain and are still looking out for my welfare.
These are the best posts at Michelle Malkin to date. There was some heavy investigative digging here. Bravo.
lgm said:
I smell turd.
Which would be just awful if the AIP had, I don’t know, set off bombs in the capitol or the Pentagon or something.
Democrat water carriers like Winner and ACORN are scum. They can’t win honest elections, so they cheat anywhere, anyway, and by any means available. If the FEC doesn’t act on this, then they should be disbanded as the ineffectual ninnies they have shown themselves to be.
But-but-but, the Obamessiah would NEVER associate with anyone evil!
Phew, it’s good to know that the Jawa folks are keeping their eyes open. They’re doing all of us a great service, not just McCain/Palin.
On September 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 am, lgm said:
This from someone who made the same AIP charge against Vice President Palin himself just a few days ago – you’re a caution, LGM, a real caution!
Clue: next time you cast aspersions against Republicans, VP Palin in particular, maybe you ought to be more selective with your sources?